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Mos Isley test shot.

Posted: Thu, 29th Jan 2009, 9:08pm

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I was testing outside greenscreen shots. The BG is a photo from http://www.stockxpert.com. I used a small model for the spaceship and Jet Engine pre-set in VisionLab. I know my son is not dressed right... any comments on the chromakey and grading would be appreciated.

Shot with HV30, NLE FCP, the compositing, effects and "Amelie" grade (edited) is with VisionLab. The VFX shot is only about 7 sec.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIBmM1rdIsQ


Posted: Thu, 29th Jan 2009, 10:19pm

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The green keying was perfect but you also had a perfect green screen in my opinion are you any good at dealing with poorley lit green screens cause I have a scene that's only like a few seconds long that I can't seem to get to wear it doesn't have a lot of static noise on his head like in between the hairs on his head?
Posted: Thu, 29th Jan 2009, 11:03pm

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JUIDAR wrote:

The green keying was perfect but you also had a perfect green screen in my opinion are you any good at dealing with poorley lit green screens cause I have a scene that's only like a few seconds long that I can't seem to get to wear it doesn't have a lot of static noise on his head like in between the hairs on his head?
Keep in mind that HD also keys out like a dream. Nice test, Moon!
Posted: Thu, 29th Jan 2009, 11:22pm

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It was a good key, but the angles were a little off. Good job!
Posted: Fri, 30th Jan 2009, 12:10am

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Wow that was very good, Moon can I ask where you get all these amazing backgrounds???

And you have a very soothing voice just to tell you.
Posted: Fri, 30th Jan 2009, 12:25am

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JUIDAR wrote:

The green keying was perfect but you also had a perfect green screen in my opinion are you any good at dealing with poorley lit green screens cause I have a scene that's only like a few seconds long that I can't seem to get to wear it doesn't have a lot of static noise on his head like in between the hairs on his head?
At this site I have my movie that was done with a Sony MiniDV SD. I did a horrible job with the greenscreen. Nearly every shot had moving masks around my subjects. And yes HD keys way better than SD. Look at "The Adventures Of Joshua Starchild" for dealing with poor greenscreen. I suguest you set it up and do test runs to make sure it works.

http://www.myspace.com/angelspeaksproductions
Posted: Fri, 30th Jan 2009, 12:29am

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Bolbi wrote:

Wow that was very good, Moon can I ask where you get all these amazing backgrounds???

And you have a very soothing voice just to tell you.
I plan on investing in Vue 7 from e-on software, the choice of ILM no less, for many shots/matts. It cost about the same as FCP but it is an amazing program. I downloaded the demo and was creating stuff in about an hour. (most of the jungle in the new Raiders movie was done with Vue 6). http://www.e-onsoftware.com/

For that shot I got the photo here. It was a free download but you have to sign up... worth it though.

http://www.stockxpert.com Oh, and thanks to someone on this site for pointing me there.

My wife does not think I have a soothing voice... Ha! Thank you guys I guess I'm heading in the right direction. One thing I know is that the more green the screen is the better, I have some darker ones that don't key as well as the one I used outside. I just bought a 10'x20' chromakey muslin. I'm going to set up to posts out in the yard with a way to attach and remove it, should be great for outside shots, as it will give me about 75' of room away from the screen.

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Posted: Fri, 30th Jan 2009, 12:38am

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Rockfilmers wrote:

It was a good key, but the angles were a little off. Good job!
Angles on my boy or the spaceship?... I would say both. I am going to get a chromakey spandex glove (tubetape.com) and do the ships, literally, by hand.
Posted: Fri, 30th Jan 2009, 3:13am

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Or just hang it by wires and move the camera some how. Oh yeah, and I meant the boy
Posted: Fri, 30th Jan 2009, 6:00am

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Rockfilmers wrote:

Or just hang it by wires and move the camera some how. Oh yeah, and I meant the boy
Yeah, I figured it was my son, I looked at it again and see what you mean. You really need to plan the shots so it looks like everything is in the same place. My goal is to have a long greenscreen wall (removable, outside) and a long greenscreen ground cover. I want to be able to have him walk down that street and go in the doorway at the end.

I did some shots walking with the camera of the ship but that is not steady enough and doesn't look that good. I think the greenscreen glove will provide good results, after all we all flew spaceships and airplanes with our hands as kids! Thank you guys for commenting. Anybody have thoughts on the overall grading?
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2009, 5:25pm

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Hey there. If you do decide to buy those green gloves, we offer FXhomers a 15% discount. Use the promotion code FXH416.
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2009, 5:36pm

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Moonloon1 wrote:

I am going to get a chromakey spandex glove (tubetape.com) and do the ships, literally, by hand.
I did a test along similar lines a few weeks back that came out surprisingly well. It was nothing more than me whizzing a model past the camera by hand:

http://tarn.fxhome.com/spaceship61.jpg

With a bit more care it could be pretty awesome.
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2009, 6:16pm

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Tarn, you should work at ILM or something smile
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2009, 9:31pm

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Hey there. If you do decide to buy those green gloves, we offer FXhomers a 15% discount. Use the promotion code FXH416.
Absolutely, I was planning on doing that, glad you told me about the discount, your site is the only place I've found them anyway. Tarn I would like to see the video of that test shot.
Posted: Wed, 4th Feb 2009, 12:55am

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Rockfilmers wrote:

Tarn, you should work at ILM or something smile
I've applied there, never even got any kind of reply, thats a tough gig to get. Funny Lucas hated the Hollywood system so much but now he is a very large corporate Hollywood.
Posted: Wed, 4th Feb 2009, 9:22am

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Rockfilmers wrote:

Tarn, you should work at ILM or something smile
Hehe, thanks.

I think what's interesting is that the old model techniques are still just as valid as ever. Every amateur filmmaker is scrabbling to do 3D spaceship stuff, which usually comes out looking a bit rubbish, and if they just thought to take a step back and go the miniatures route they'd probably end up with much better results.

My reasoning is that CG has to be awesome, otherwise it just looks utterly rubbish.

Whereas miniatures can be mediocre and still be acceptable, because they have the added benefit of being real, physical items.

Ideally, of course, you want everything to be awesome. smile
Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2009, 2:13pm

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Hi Tarn, what software did you use for the background image.....?

Nice Key Moon..!

Cheers

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Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2009, 2:26pm

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That was just a random image I found on Google images while throwing the test together. When I get round to doing the project properly I'll probably get some background art commissioned properly, or we'll do it in-house in something like Photoshop.
Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2009, 3:20pm

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Tarn wrote:

Rockfilmers wrote:

Tarn, you should work at ILM or something smile
Hehe, thanks.

I think what's interesting is that the old model techniques are still just as valid as ever. Every amateur filmmaker is scrabbling to do 3D spaceship stuff, which usually comes out looking a bit rubbish, and if they just thought to take a step back and go the miniatures route they'd probably end up with much better results.

My reasoning is that CG has to be awesome, otherwise it just looks utterly rubbish.

Whereas miniatures can be mediocre and still be acceptable, because they have the added benefit of being real, physical items.

Ideally, of course, you want everything to be awesome. smile
My thinking exactly, Tarn. I've been working with miniatures on my new film "Back In Time" and it's been a really succesful experience. Much more succesful than if I had gone the 3D route. Great post, Tarn.
Posted: Fri, 13th Feb 2009, 4:23pm

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Tarn wrote:

That was just a random image I found on Google images while throwing the test together. When I get round to doing the project properly I'll probably get some background art commissioned properly, or we'll do it in-house in something like Photoshop.
Thanks for the reply...!
Posted: Fri, 13th Feb 2009, 8:02pm

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Wow. Great job monloon. Awesome keying, but perhpas next time be more careful with the shadow of the tree limb smile Still came out awesome though, even with the shadows!
Posted: Fri, 13th Feb 2009, 8:38pm

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DVStudio wrote:

Wow. Great job monloon. Awesome keying, but perhpas next time be more careful with the shadow of the tree limb smile Still came out awesome though, even with the shadows!
Thank you, I recently brushed out the shadow (It's someone standing off camera) and got rid of the tire marks that run through the street. I'll re-post it when I'm done. I made a cool Jedi robe for my son and have most of his costume done so I will start doing more outside shots, if it ever stops raining. I really want to have him walk in the door at the end of the street. And I will add twin suns so the shadows match. It's just preproduction stuff to see how far I can get with the shots. Yeah I know another Star Wars fan film bla, bla, oh well, I just like it. Here are a few pre-production stills:





Posted: Mon, 16th Feb 2009, 12:23pm

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Wow! Some good stuff. smile I can't wait to see the finished product.
Posted: Mon, 16th Feb 2009, 5:40pm

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Thank you DV, I won't be using the skull boy but It was fun using that clip to create the greenscreen balloon effect and that background. I may put him in a robe with the skull costume as an extra. Most of the players will be my son in various costumes and maybe me.
Posted: Sun, 21st Feb 2010, 4:43am

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GLacius here i thought you did a very good job i got my fxhome effectslab pro this past december i'm going to a fan fime this july. but i'm just now learning this program.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Feb 2010, 6:44pm

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...Do you mean Mos Eisley?