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Posted: Wed, 4th Feb 2009, 8:07am

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I'm thinking of getting the HV30 camcorder... does it come with the peripherals to hook it up to your computer, it isn't saying on the website I am looking at? Please suggest any camcorders you recommend, I prefer under a grand and something that hooks into the computer.
Posted: Wed, 4th Feb 2009, 9:14am

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Search the forums, please. Really. Seriously.

The HV30 comes with the basic peripherals you would expect- a manual, camera/hand strap, a battery, and the camera itself. All else you should buy after-the-fact or try and get in a bundled pack along with the camera from a trustworthy place like B & H. For under a grand, it's essentially the premiere camera to get right now. Wasting your money on anything else, and I'd consider you a fool. biggrin
Posted: Wed, 4th Feb 2009, 9:22am

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I'd wait for awhile. Canon just announced some new cameras that are supposed to be coming out this month. One in particular was an upgrade to the 30 shoots in true 24p.
Posted: Wed, 4th Feb 2009, 11:10am

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Yeah, the HV40's been announced so I'd expect a price drop on the HV30 (and 20 if they're still around), worth waiting. Don't worry about having a worse camera than the HV40...like with the HV30, Canon haven't added much more in the way of features or extra spec, they're virtually the same camera.
Posted: Wed, 4th Feb 2009, 6:12pm

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Yes but the HV10 and HV20 had a dramatic difference. I was looking at getting the HV30, but I'm going to go with a more prosumer camera like the HDR FX7 or something.
Posted: Wed, 4th Feb 2009, 6:48pm

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That's because the HV10 and HV20 are two different types/lines of camcorder, Rockfilmers. The HV30, however, (and by extension the new HV40) is merely positioned as an update of the current HV20- not an upgrade.
Posted: Wed, 4th Feb 2009, 8:56pm

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I would wait and see how the HV40's 24p feature will work out. If it turns out to look good and work well I'd easily put my money down on it. Anyways, if it doesn't turn out to be what you want it to, you can get the HV30 for a lower price.
Posted: Thu, 5th Feb 2009, 1:48am

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If the HV40's 24p mode turns out to be truly native (which seems to be the extra case), it will be worth the extra cash.
This is advice from and HV30 mode who is very frustrated by the HV30's "24p" mode, which is remarkably difficult to de-interlace because it is enclosed in a 1080i stream. That's a small gripe though, otherwise yes it is a great camera.
However, Canon's vixia AVCHD line is worth a look if you don't have your heart set on a tape camcorder. It seems like that is where the industry is directing their attention these days, so you'll find more bells and whistles over there, particularly if you are attracted to hard drive/flash media.
Posted: Fri, 6th Feb 2009, 2:51am

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The HV40 really doesn't have any significant differences from the HV30. If you get the HV30 but you decide to go a little more pro you can build a rig to make it more pro.
My Rig:
1. HV30
2. Beachtek DXA-4 xlr adapter
3. Mennon 43mm lens hood
4. Rode ntg-2 mic (I could not use it without xlr adapter)
Posted: Tue, 10th Mar 2009, 12:45pm

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I would like to thank everyone for their comments and suggestions> I ended up buying the HV30 and I couldn't be happier! I've been working a lot so I haven't had a chance to shoot anything of real length, but so far I'm very happy with what it has given me!

As far as the "Read through the forums, seriously" comment. I did and quite frankly I was sick of searching... If you're tired of answering repetitious questions I would suggest you just don't answer if that irritates you. I apologize, but I asked because I don't have countless hours to spend searching through the forums, especially when a lot of searches turn out something completely opposite of what a person is searching for. I'll apologize once again, I'm not trying to be rude. You have to realize that as long as forums exist there will always be a multitude of duplicate or similar topics posted.
Posted: Wed, 11th Mar 2009, 1:58am

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Just for the record, I still answered your question to the best of my ability, buddy. I was also the only person to answer your question on the contents of the camera purchase, too.

If you felt I was annoyed or being rude with my initial comment, then I apologize. As a new user, I was simply saying, given the breadth of HV30 topics that post up, you should search- assuming you hadn't because, well, you're a very new user. Whether you did or not, it was simply a cautionary piece of advice: helps you find the answers you need faster, too. I wasn't trying to be rude, either, and I hope you don't think I was trying to ignore your question because it irritated me. Thus wasn't the case.

Oh, and congrats on the HV30! It's a great camera, have fun with it and make some great/cool/uber-HD movies- I'm waiting for them. wink
Posted: Wed, 11th Mar 2009, 4:33am

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Ah no I didn't mean to be rude, or think you were being rude... I work all night and come off like that sometimes, sorry man... I did search it, but I got more garble searching than opposed to asking. Anyway thanks for the reply, I did appreciate it regardless of my reaction lol
I bought a "Rode" mic and I can't wait for it to get here. Here shortly I'll be buying the stand for the Green screens from Tube tape... I can't wait. I've been using PVC pipe and that gets annoying lol. Thinking of buying a lens for it, but I'm not sure which to use... I also ordered a case and a newer/better tripod, I'm ready to start taking on some bigger projects as soon as I can think of something to shoot lol.
Posted: Wed, 11th Mar 2009, 6:22am

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Cool, good to know you're building up your equipment- I can't wait to see what you're gonna do with it. (I expect greatness! biggrin))

If you're looking into an additional lens, as in a 35mm lens adapter (which you normally see in some indie movies with that 'prosumer HD look' that have a good depth-of-field), I'd suggest the Brevis35. Decently-priced, well-known, great-results, and good-quality. Ben and I are buying one ourselves. With a powerful camera (HD-image-quality-wise) like the HV30- a lens adapter would really do some damage in making your movies look even more professional and 'movie-like'. (although it is important to note a lot of this also comes from movement/talent/technique/proper-lighting)

Also, if you haven't yet bought that tripod I highly suggest getting a good-quality fluid-head one. They are more pricey (a decent Manfrotto with a good head is about $300) but they are immensely, immensely better than any other cheaper Best Buy or Wal-Mart or whatever kind you would get. Even getting an $80 mainstream one isn't worth it when you could save up for a fluid-head. Just a thought, of course.

Hope this helps.
Posted: Wed, 11th Mar 2009, 6:47am

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Wow dude!
You guys really know your cameras.
I'm gonna start looking into that camera, as well as the tri pod and lenses mentioned by Atom.
You guys know so freaking much man.
Thanks. biggrin
Posted: Wed, 11th Mar 2009, 9:25am

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spydurhank wrote:

and lenses mentioned by Atom.
Just keep in mind - this applies to everyone in this thread - that a 35mm adapter is not a lens, nor is it 35mm in diameter or anything like that.

It's a relatively simple idea, the same as a rear-projection television wherein it's a piece of glass that is ground the be translucent that takes the place of the TV's screen, your video camera's lens takes the place of a TV viewer, and the projector itself is replaced by all light that hits a 35mm lens. Even so, there's a lot of misconceptions out there, and it's important to know what you're dealing with before you go buying lenses or anything for your video camera.

That being said, there are several 'name' brands for an adapter - Letus, Brevis, Redrock M2, SGPro, SGBlade - and even more 'secondary' homemade brands that can be found online. This is a different topic completely, but I just wanted to clear the misconception that we're talking about lenses here: because, ideally, once you get a video camera, you have the one and only lens you need to operate it. (Unless, of course, you're dealing with a Canon XL2, XLH1, or Sony Z7 or EX1/3, but that's another story)
Posted: Wed, 11th Mar 2009, 4:50pm

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Thanks for clearing that up Ben.
That woulda sucked, buying stuff that I don't need.
Posted: Wed, 11th Mar 2009, 7:10pm

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Yes, the "35mm" tag comes from the adapter giving you the ability to adapt lenses originally designed for 35mm still cameras for use with your video camera- there are several types of mounts for various types of lenses that can be used with most of those adapters.

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Posted: Wed, 11th Mar 2009, 7:11pm

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Bryan M Block wrote:

Yes, the "35mm" tag comes from the adapter giving you the ability to adapt lenses originally designed for 35mm still cameras for use with your video camera- there are several types of mounts for various types of lenses that can be used with most of those adapters.

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Thanks man.
Dang, I'm cluesless when it comes to cameras.
Posted: Wed, 11th Mar 2009, 8:46pm

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spydurhank wrote:

Dang, I'm cluesless when it comes to cameras.
We're all learning the whole time, man - that's why we're here smile
Posted: Wed, 11th Mar 2009, 9:52pm

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With the Brevis35 adapter or suchlike, do you fit the adapter and then a film quality lens onto that, or is it an adapter with a lens attatched?
Posted: Wed, 11th Mar 2009, 11:43pm

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pdrg wrote:

spydurhank wrote:

Dang, I'm cluesless when it comes to cameras.
We're all learning the whole time, man - that's why we're here smile
Yes sir. biggrin
Posted: Thu, 12th Mar 2009, 7:06am

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Mike Q wrote:

With the Brevis35 adapter or suchlike, do you fit the adapter and then a film quality lens onto that, or is it an adapter with a lens attatched?
The adapter mounts to the camcorder using threads (between 43mm and 72mm, depending upon most cameras - goes on like a UV filter would) and then the lenses, purchased separately, mount to adapter itself.

So yes, the adapter is separate from the lenses. Different adapters have different (and often interchangeable!) mounts for different lenses. Generally, there's a Nikon, Canon FD, Canon EOS, Olympus K, Olympus S, and OCT-19 mount selection for lenses. The first three are pretty standard, common SLR lens configurations (most new SLRs take these lenses) the two Olympus just about as standard for SLRs; and the OCT-19 made for motion picture cinema lenses.
Posted: Thu, 12th Mar 2009, 3:57pm

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Cheers Ben, your a star. But I thought that fim quality lenses cost a fortune? Even though we're all after that "film look", would it not push a production out of the realms of low budget.
Posted: Thu, 12th Mar 2009, 8:23pm

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Most people who buy the medium- or semi-high-end adapters are, indeed, out of the price range for cine lenses. Even so, you have to remember that even high professionals like the cinematographers for 24 use these adapters, so they have to be as versatile as possible.

That being said, many prefer the OCT-19 mount for cine lenses because they're willing to put down a paltry sum of just 200-400 dollars for older, Russian-manufactured lenses. These are cine quality and still (relatively) cheap; even cheaper than good SLR lenses. The problem with such lenses is that they're more rare, and it's kind of chore to track usable ones down.

Even so, people like myself - who have very little money (college students, etc) - are apt to buy the OCT-19 mount after purchasing and getting all the pieces for a functioning, SLR-using adapter. Why? Because the mount is, what, maybe 200 bucks along with a 400 dollar lens? It's 600 dollars extra, but when all things are considered, it's a great investment.

Again, however, I should stress that I think it's only wise to opt for the OCT-19 mounts after you've got a working Nikon/Canon/Olympus mounted adapter.