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Posted: Thu, 8th Aug 2002, 5:27pm
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someone once suggested that alam host a section for items sold " for sale " secound hand stuff, the problem with that would mean the alam crew having to update it every time something is sold.
but from that idea i had this idea as .i will be needing a person to make music for my next film, and i've seen some of you credit your own composers.
a section for people offering there help. ( just idea's at the moment )
Joe bloggs can compose music for you.
john doe is an expert on alam
jane knows all about 3ds max
fred can copy dvd's for you
cyclone knows about web hosting.
a sort of list for the people you could ask for help,
i don't know what you think just an idea. ???
Posted: Thu, 8th Aug 2002, 5:34pm
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that sounds quite good, somewhere where people can post what they can do - and then if someone needs a hand with something, they can search that forum, and reply to a user, asking for help
Posted: Thu, 8th Aug 2002, 5:38pm
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Yeah, thats it.
i thought no-one would understand what i was waffling on about.
Posted: Thu, 8th Aug 2002, 6:18pm
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I understood perfectly but I need music for my new film and I can't find Joe Bloogs anywhere. Did he register under a different nick?
Posted: Thu, 8th Aug 2002, 6:20pm
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lol.. Yeah I've been looking for people to compose music for me too, that'd be really helpful. You could put me down for Premiere, and Cypher too. We both know our fair share in that department
Posted: Thu, 8th Aug 2002, 6:30pm
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I think that's a good idea. Maybe as an option in the profile you could have a few menus which you can select your major skills. People could search for a ceratin skill and get a list of people who have it.
but. . . does anyone have effort (or initiative) to do that? it's real project . .
Posted: Thu, 8th Aug 2002, 6:32pm
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That's a good idea. You could choose from a list of programs/skills/etc. That could really help some people out, and maybe you'll learn new things of your fellow forumers.
Posted: Thu, 8th Aug 2002, 7:08pm
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i guess i would be under 3d (blender and 3ds max) and general plug-in making - which reminds me, MECHAFORCE!!!, did u forget a little bit of credit to the creator of ur most recent plug-in
Posted: Thu, 8th Aug 2002, 7:10pm
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shoot. i didn't!
Posted: Thu, 8th Aug 2002, 10:36pm
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[b] THAT IS A FANTASTIC IDEA
I know a few of us in here are based in the UK but a few others are based abroad as well so how would this work in practice? For example, if joe bloggs was a real expert in alam dv, premiere after effects etc and he was based in Afghanistan, what use will he be to anyone? If u talking about online collaboration i personally think that will not work mainly becoz of the medium we are all working with as well as the state of the internet as it is at the mo. Remember even though alot of people are subscribing to broadband everyday, its still a luxury for a select few.
I know u said this is just an idea at the mo and i really think its a great idea, so if we can all crack our brains and come up with a workaround we could truley create something special here that will be the envy of the world....
imagine a network of inhouse specialists?
Posted: Thu, 8th Aug 2002, 10:48pm
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Its a great idea.
But like Mechaforce said; who would have time (and ability - sure aint me).
If someone could, it'd be one of the most useful recourses on the site, though.
Posted: Thu, 8th Aug 2002, 11:04pm
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I think that the idea is really cool. That would be something great.
But also I see dirtygreezas point... How exactly should that work?
Posted: Thu, 8th Aug 2002, 11:14pm
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well, some stuff would be ok over the net - like making a music track, cos u can turn it into wav or mp3 and send it over etc, and maybe with 3d stuff, u can easily send that over the net, and get it high quality and stuff for people to use, but with LARGE movie files etc, maybe there should be a country system - like all people who live in uk have one part, where uk people can find other uk people to help them out, rather than finding someone on the otherside of the planet...
sorry, i don't make much sense, i am a little crazy like that...
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE boin' BOUNCE, beep, hehehehehehehe, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH lk\hgdohoh\gdo hohe
Posted: Thu, 8th Aug 2002, 11:46pm
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spotless wrote:Its a great idea.
But like Mechaforce said; who would have time (and ability - sure aint me). If someone could, it'd be one of the most useful recourses on the site, though.
We all got jobs, responsiblitiies/extra curriculla activities and yet we manage to post regularly on here so in that respect i dont think time is a real issue at all, coz we all talking about and do the things that we all love and are passionate about, therefore im sure most people in here will be willing to give up a little bit of their time to help out (as in be involved) creatively in anyone else's project as long as credit is given in the titles.
As for talent... well what can i say, there is talent!
maybe there should be a country system - like all people who live in uk have one part, where uk people can find other uk people to help them out
The country system thing is very interesting and u made perfect sense but u still crazy....
Posted: Thu, 8th Aug 2002, 11:51pm
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Well, I'm not sure big video files would even be involved. I saw this more of working like this:
There is a 'network' of users, each with different specializations. If someone needs, say, music done, they contact them. Music can be easily transferred, even on the 28k's, which are dying out rapidly. Maybe you need some help with an editing program, or just a program, then you would look up someone who knows how to use it, and ask them. If you needed 3D work, well that may get tricky. You could send a very compressed video, down to about the size of a song, and let the 3D artist do their magic with that. Or, if you can plan around having 3D work done, try to keep the camera still, then just send a screenshot to have the 3D animation done over. As long as we don't over complicate things, and expect too much to be done for you, this won't be hard to work out, but yet be incredibly resourceful.
Posted: Fri, 9th Aug 2002, 1:03am
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I was talking about the time and ability needed to make this work on the net. Who'd design this part of the site, who would run it? I have no idea how hard it'd be to actually do - I know nothing about the nuts and bolts of the internet; just how to use it!
When it comes to enthusiasm for USING (not making) and contributing to this part of the site there'll be plenty, I agree. It'd be fantastic to pool all the talent here! Really very cool idea!
How hard would it be to get this up and running?
Posted: Fri, 9th Aug 2002, 1:14am
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should be easy to do - all u need is a sorta forum, people post with the subject as "3ds max" or whatever program/skill they have, then people can seach that forum, and it will come up with the list of posts with THAT subject, and u can then send that particular user a PM asking for assistance, several PM's later, they exchange address/contact details, and it's sorted - does that make sense? it COULD be that simple...
Posted: Fri, 9th Aug 2002, 2:28am
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Cool idea! Let me play a little's devil's advocate first:
Not everyone wants to be so helpful (though i'm sure most of you are).
I don't think people should be forced to say what they are good at so that people can contact them to do "work". If someone needs, lets say music composed, they can just post a topic in the film-making forum right now saying: "Hi! I need some music composed, would anyone be willing to help?" If someone wanted to help, they would respond, out of their own free will.
Rather with this idea, you would know who can do music and would be contacting them saying: "Would you like to compose some music for me?" Well, that's sort of imposing a responsibility on that person, one that maybe the person doesn't want to do, but feels bad if they don't do it for the person. They are stuck! That ain't fair!
Ok, that's the only downside. If you don't mind that, then there is a whole great upside to this thing, and it should be pursued. I recommend it keeping it seperate from the AlamDV website, that's not what this site is for.
If you REALLY wanted to do this idea though, create a website with a database (MYSQL + PHP combination), where people can sign up, search the database, and learn how to contact one another.
Posted: Fri, 9th Aug 2002, 7:57am
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av11d you wrote that it would be easier if you posted that you need a composer, but i posted this message 7pm last night, it's now been knocked of the top ten list, this means if a composer come on this morning he would not see this post.
no has to put down what they are good at, but if they want it could be added.
i'm glad you like the idea, i guess it is now down to the guys at alam or if someone made a web site as suggested.
Posted: Fri, 9th Aug 2002, 12:08pm
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b4uask30male wrote:av11d you wrote that it would be easier if you posted that you need a composer, but i posted this message 7pm last night, it's now been knocked of the top ten list, this means if a composer come on this morning he would not see this post.
I would ask schwar/malone in the chat. This is their business website, so who knows if they want to have it.
Then again they do advertise "us" with "The Worlds largest Amateur Special Effects Community," so who knows if they might want this idea so they can add it to the list of free things you get when you buy alamdv
Posted: Fri, 9th Aug 2002, 1:23pm
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GOOD POINTS. it might be a benifit the same as computer video magazine,http://www.computervideo.net/
people log on just to ask for help, that can only be a good thing ?
i'd give a rate point..... still not got any..
pat on the back is all i can give.
Posted: Fri, 9th Aug 2002, 7:45pm
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It took me an hour, and it's finally here:THE AGENCY!
(please help me out with the name)
Anyways, I tried to make a simple system where people can register themselves, or look for other people with specific skills... At the moment, only a few categories exist, so feel free to add some more!
So check it out! Spread the word! If enough people sign up here, it could become very useful!
Visit THE AGENCY!
Posted: Fri, 9th Aug 2002, 11:09pm
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Metellius, the site looks RAW with a Capital "R", but i like it alot. (LOL) Double thumbs up for that.
PS; The Agency sounds perfect to me but if someone comes up with a better name then hey, all the better.
Posted: Fri, 9th Aug 2002, 11:14pm
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Sweet! This is pretty cool! Now you just have to add 300 more categories
Posted: Fri, 9th Aug 2002, 11:34pm
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That is very cool!
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 12:03am
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it would be handy if u could edit what u can do - say for instance i learn how to use premiere, i would need to add that to my list, maybe better if u had a sorta profile, that u can edit, make like a forum, i could say "goodbye" to the unofficial alamdv website, and turn it into the agency if u want, i have a working php forum, that can easily be transformed...
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 1:32am
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Wee, some type of profile is definetly needed so you can edit your info. Besides that it is really cool. What type of catagories are you looking for? I think there should be Software & Skills catagories:
Final Cut Pro
and so on...
but, then there should also be a skills catagory list with stuff like:
and so on...
That way, if you need help with a spefic program, or you need to work with a strict type of format, you can message people through the software catagories. But if you needed somebody to talk to about your 3D animation and how it can be improved and such, you can locate them through the skills catagories.
What do you think?
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 1:39am
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I really think Malone/Schwar needs to grab this project by the reigns, and devise a system for us to show off in our profiles. I mean, not only do we have one of the best communitys out there (if not the best
) imagine if we could say we had a network of people who specialize in different areas, and help people with their films. What better way to get people to buy special effects software, if they are guaranteed that they will have a team of people to help them out.
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 1:49am
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This is quite interesting. Sounds like a cool Idea...
If nothing else we could at least start a thread in which we each list our XP with software and associated skills. Then as you get more you can just edit your original post and add to it....
Then the person in need of advice or services could PM the person with the needed skills.
And maybe when new people join the community and post there 1st time one of the many alamdv "ambassadors" could point them to the thread to add their own skills and XP. Thus giving the "newbie" the resource and the option to contribute to it. Just a thought
PS I mean "ambassadors" as in all of us are or should be ambassadors for this place. WE want everyone to know about it. Thus increasing the longevity of the community and the product we all love.
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Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 1:55am
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i'm wondering if anyone would mind if metelius and i worked on it together and made it a new Scope feature for the new project i'm doin, called The Filter Project. (Basically Scope-Entertainment.com getting a big ass upgrade)
i still gotta talk to metelius tho if he's up for it, but i wanna know if you guys would still use it if it were under the scope domain rather than alamdv.
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 1:58am
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Actually, I think Joe hit the head on the nail (
) with his comment. We are thinking too deep and elaborate. A simple sticky thread is all we need, then with the use of the magical crtl+f to search for key words, your set! I could make the thread now if you want.
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 2:01am
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well, that's all good and well for ppl already at alam (ie, active members), but what about others?
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 2:02am
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Well, they would simply have to visit the alam forums, no different from visiting someo ther website. It would spark more of an interest in alam too.
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 2:03am
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Thanks flip! Agreed, taking a more simple approach would be best to start. Then if we out grow the thread, then we go back to the drawing board.
Now all we need is a name for the thread...
"BIG ARSE LIST OF ALAMERS WHO HAVE SKILLS AND KNOW STUFF"
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 2:06am
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either way, I agree completely with av11d that the alamdv site isn't really for this, it's for the program only(thus the recent site updates and the about section) though other stuff does go on here.
joe: i say we name it
Big ass list of alamdvers who have skills and know shit you prolly don't
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 2:09am
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Hmm..you do bring up a good point. The alam site is really for alam, but, in the meantime when it's just us, I don't see why it'd be a problem.
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 2:12am
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the reason im interested is cuz i think this is a great idea.
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 7:26am
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if there is a link for it to go from alam to your site then thats fine by me.
but i was talking to malone on the chat and i think he might have his own plans, and since hes not posted here, he proberly does not know about all this new site stuff.
but keep up the good work every one, we came all be proud that this post has started something that will benifit everyone.
metellius that's the sort of thing i was thinking of, great stuff..
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 3:14pm
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Right, I've been reading and thinking about this:
Firstly, It's not my decision of whether this belongs on the alamdv site, but I was talking to schwar a while back, and it seemed like he was trying to make this site much more business and less "this." He was even considering splitting up the forum into two: One for film-making and one for alamdv. Don't qoute me on that though. Anyways, if that's the direction that he's going in, I don't think this idea is going to be on the alamdv site, and will appear in another place (scope-entertainment?).
However (i'm going to contradict myself here, like usual
), CSB does advertise on the top of every page "World's Largest Amateur Special Effects Community!" So this idea could bring in more filmakers that want to hook up with this system/community, which equals more alamdv sales, which equals more cake for malone.
Secondly, if this idea was going to be implemented into the alamdv website, I think making a thread is pretty bad idea (no offense Joe or Hajiku). Do you realize there are over 4000 members that are signed up for this forum, and growing by the day!? How the heck would it work? It would be hard to search through it, hard to organize, and would be a VERY scrambled thread! Plus, it would be every mod's nightmare.
The best way to go about implementing this is (if we do), is to just set a preference in our profile listing our skills and our knowledge of certain software (again, i think there should be the two different types of catagories: skills & software). This would allow for lots of features without having to re-code everything (ie. The aearch page could allow you to sort by skill, and the profile pages are already built so you just need to add another drop down menu to it). Malone is great at this kinda stuff, looking at his previous work, i can't imagine this being TOO hard to implement.
Just my 2 cents.
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 5:01pm
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Someone mentioned a login system where people can change their preferences whenever...Of course, that would be easy to do, I just thought I'd better keep it simple at first to see whether people would like it or not...
Also, Cypher asked me if I wanted to join him in moving my system onto the Scope-Entertaintment site, which is fine by me... I expect that to make the page a lot better then, as it would probably get a better look when worked into another page with it's own style and design.
In summary, if people liked The Agency (
), I would very much like to work more on it...
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 5:04pm
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Oh, and BTW, until I DO get a login system, I can of course change people's preferences in the database easily...
And when I get to making that login system, I can easily set it to send an email with a random password to every email in the database, letting people log in and choose their own username/password... So go ahead and register!
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 7:21pm
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Don't worry people something is in the works - but its a bit bigger than just the profile system...
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 7:29pm
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Whoo! The proverbial 'PLAN' is coming into play!!!! Yeeee-haw!!!
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 7:31pm
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Thanks to every that thought this was a good idea.
but i can ask if the guys at alam would want a " services " section for such people that would charge " not a lot, more for the cost of postage "
some people such a person that would put 3d stuff on someones film, or like m self offer to put peoples films on dvd ( just cost price no profit ) or composers that might charge for time.
I know your site is for business and i respect if you do not wish to allow this kind of help.
once again many thanks for taking this post seriously.
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 11:36pm
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We have many plans for the site we are makine (not the AlamDV site)... We'll let you know...
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 11:39pm
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Sigh... why must he be so mysterious all the time
Posted: Sat, 10th Aug 2002, 11:41pm
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You love it that way
Posted: Sun, 11th Aug 2002, 6:49pm
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Hey there, I've never posted before, but I've been lurking around the forum for nearly a year now and been reading with interest. You guys certainly know your shit and your posts have helped me learn a lot - so thanks all of ya, you all deserve force points. Anyways, this thread is the first that I feel I should reply to. This idea is great! I've don't have all that much I can bring to this community (yet!), but I'm learning more each day and honing my skills gradually. Man I waffle. Anyways - I think that this idea should be implemented ASAP. I know a few people around my area who are interested in film and have skills, but only very few. We need more diversity, a melting pot of ideas and skills if you will. This community is certainly that and this idea would take it to the next stage. For example, I'll need a 3D programmer for a film project that I'm implementing soon - I don't know anyone with the skills required, I've tried and failed myself, so I'm stuck for that. If we were to have a kind of online directory of skilled persons willing to help that would be great. Imagine making a film where the director was in the UK, the screenwriter in Canada, the composer in Argentina and the editor in Germany! That would be amazing, a true global community effort! This is exactly what I believe the Internet is for - bringing people together who in any other circumstance wouldn't meet! I mean imagine the possibilities, the cultural diversity, the experience gained for both parties! I'm getting really excited thinking about it! I need experience - I know that, and I don't get many chances in my current location/circumstances, so, a system like this would remove those problems. I don't know if this makes sense, but I know what I mean. I certainly be following this topic closely.
See ya around,
Posted: Sun, 11th Aug 2002, 7:04pm
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Good post! Also, if we are going to be sending bigger video files acrossed the net, we will need to add our connection speeds to our profiles. That way you'll know if your getting paired up with a 56k'er, or anything less then broadband (gulp
Posted: Sun, 11th Aug 2002, 7:11pm
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*TMM pats his 56k modem, just b4 he rips it in half and chucks it out the window...
Posted: Mon, 12th Aug 2002, 8:50am
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I'm still not sure if I should continue working on "the agency" or just leave it for the alamdv people (who, at least i think so, are doing somewhat the same thing)?
What do you guys think?
Posted: Mon, 12th Aug 2002, 5:00pm
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I dunno, CSB doesn't say anything concrete. I would PM schwar or malone asking, since they are the only ones that would know.
Posted: Mon, 12th Aug 2002, 7:57pm
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here's where I got it from, a chat with schwar a few days ago...
<metellius> are you making it possible to let us pick skills inside the profile thingy?
<schwar> well its part of a new thing we are working on
<metellius> on the alamdv site?
<schwar> nope, a film site we have been working on - but its free so I bet most of the alamdv people will be there
<schwar> and we are moving some of the stuff from the alamdv forum to that new site
Posted: Mon, 12th Aug 2002, 8:00pm
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Yeah, we had a discussion a few weeks ago, and here is some of the things that might happen. Remember, I could be dead wrong, so don't count on it.
-The alam general forums will be moved to a new website. Sort of like a hub for all their other products. The forums we have now, will be strictly alam help/support and discussion only.
-Our force meter will stay the same, although post count will get chopped up.
-The 'Chromantor' will own you.
Posted: Mon, 12th Aug 2002, 8:03pm
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i think i'll just fix that thing then... and if they DO make anything like that, well, i guess i'm screwed...
Posted: Mon, 12th Aug 2002, 10:04pm
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Ok, this is my personal opinion, and doesnt reflect what csb may do, stuff we do as a company has to be well thought out and planned before we make any rash statements. Im just getting my personal thoughts out as just another member of the community.
I think this is a cool idea. It ties in with other ideas Ive been thinking about. At the moment the concept is pretty new with people bouncing ideas off each other, which is a good thing. But I personally wouldnt recomend anyone starting implementing this tommorrow. If this is to be a winning project it has to be properly designed, otherwise some big corp is just going to come along and do it better. This project is something I would be interesting in doing, I also think it is something csb could do. The csb team has many ideas for new projects, a lot of them just stay as ideas. We dont really have a fixed path we leaves us free to persue different things. This project does link together a few ideas we've been having so it is quite appealing.
So basically Im saying I think its a good idea, but it needs to be revised and developed sensibly. I am also personally keen for csb to be involved (because otherwise I dont really have the time to work on it). These are just my unorganized thoughts, dont read too much into them