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Posted: Mon, 9th Mar 2009, 4:33pm

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This week FXhome is being featured on Channel 5's The Gadget Show here in the UK. We'd like to welcome everybody that's arriving at FXhome.com having watched the show!

If you're new to the website you might want a quick guide to what's where:

The VisionLab Studio discount is a limited time offer that will end on Monday 16th March, so don't miss out!

Posted: Mon, 9th Mar 2009, 4:40pm

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I can't wait to watch the gadget show tonight!
It was by the gadget show that i found out about fx home back in last year
Posted: Mon, 9th Mar 2009, 8:58pm

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Jason was robbed wink

Shame as he did some pretty good work with VisionLab.
Posted: Mon, 9th Mar 2009, 9:05pm

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Hah, I was actually quite impressed with Jason's masking skills, and his grading was nice as well! Still I was sad to see they didn't really use the other engines that come with the product. Shame, still bring on the traffic!
Posted: Mon, 9th Mar 2009, 11:35pm

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No URL was given and they didn't show our showreel. Hmm, not what it could have been,
Posted: Tue, 10th Mar 2009, 8:24am

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Here's the segment that was on the show last night:

http://gadgetshow.five.tv/videos/special-effects-challenge

What do people think of the 'challenge' comparison?

Please note that FXhome didn't have any involvement with the creation of the 'Jaws' sequence.
Posted: Tue, 10th Mar 2009, 9:30am

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I really liked that shark sequence. Having seen the original plates and the final shots, honestly, I find the result much more worthy of a prize then the robot thing, which looked less believable to me.

Effectswise, those final sea shots were amazing! (The acting however, was... not) smile
Posted: Tue, 10th Mar 2009, 9:44am

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Glad you liked it. smile

Just noticed there's a poll on their site where you can vote for your favourite sequence:

http://fwd.five.tv/gadget-show/blog/jason-and-suzis-sfx-movies

Rico, you know what to do!
Posted: Tue, 10th Mar 2009, 10:11am

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Yeah, I agree, the jaws sequence was not as visually exciting as the other but it showed more ingenuity and filmmaking ability. The other one was just a simple idea with as much effects as possible slung at it.
Posted: Tue, 10th Mar 2009, 3:22pm

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I think the competition would have been fairer if they had both had to produce similar clips, that way it would be a more interesting comparison between what is available between professional and consumer point of view.

It's also a pity they didn't reveal the budgets involved for both. I'd guess Jason's total budget was less than £1k and Suzi's was probably £10k+

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Posted: Tue, 10th Mar 2009, 3:50pm

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Koradin has nailed what I was going to say. It'd have been a more interesting comparison to see the same scene filmed using the two different sets of re-sources, as near as is possible.

As for Otis commenting on how he really cared for the characters in both clips...Errr, Ok...he must still think he's doing kids Tv.

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Posted: Tue, 10th Mar 2009, 4:50pm

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Looking at the responses for the polls it's a shame that Suzi's film is further ahead, but most of the comments are definitely pro-Jason's purely based on the level of effort he had to put in.

I have to say, it probably would have been more interesting to see a comparison with another consumer based effects package... and watch you guys trounce them of course wink
Posted: Tue, 10th Mar 2009, 6:51pm

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The issue I have is pretty simple;

Jason appeared to do his work himself, whereas Suzi seemed to outsource everything to a seperate artist. You can see pretty clearly that Suzi is sat in a suite at MPC, with the bulk of the work being done in ways she doesn't understand.

So there's more than the levels/pricing of software here. Had Suzi been given access to the software but not someone who actually knew how to use it all, her work would have been no better than her efforts with the consumer gear.

It really is the artist, not the tools.

There's also a fair amount of white lying going on. The 'pro gear' featured here is not as expensive as you may think, given the exception of the 3D package. Shake and Syntheyes are both respectively less than £250. Both having cheaper alternatives which (take my word for it) equal them.

In any case, anyone can get their hands on 'pro gear'. How else would I have learnt? Man, I should write for the daily mail. CONSPIRACY!

*shakes fist*

Jason gets my vote. razz
-Matt
Posted: Tue, 10th Mar 2009, 8:54pm

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I thought Jason made a pretty good mask for the swimmer and the judging was rather unfair - i think they should have shown more of vision labs capabilities
Posted: Tue, 10th Mar 2009, 9:32pm

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I thought Jason made a pretty good mask for the swimmer and the judging was rather unfair - i think they should have shown more of vision labs capabilities
THANKS !! hahahaha
Posted: Wed, 11th Mar 2009, 2:57am

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I think that Jason could have chosen a better action sequence, that would have worked and shown off vision lab better. However I think that the girl (sorry don't know her name) was deserving of the prize.
Posted: Wed, 11th Mar 2009, 6:49am

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Absolutely no way! Ben and I are livid with how this (kind of) negatively makes VisionLab look.

Mostly because the 'effect' on the Jaws movie was absolutely perfect, did exactly what it intended to do. To try and compare it to a scene run by professionals (not just with professional equipment) and use actual explosions and things that are practical effects and not visual effects, there's quite an incongruous conclusion to comparing the two.

Secondly, there's much more power to be had and shown-off with VisionLab. I've no doubt in the hands of that film crew with that cinematography and those VFX artists at the ready it would've produced something immensely better much faster and much cheaper.
Posted: Wed, 11th Mar 2009, 6:50am

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Upon first viewing, I scoffed at Jason's because it was mundane, and the only effect seemed to be some grading. This obviously made me like the girl's one more.

However, upon seeing the behind-the-scenes, I was really shocked. Jason's was shot in a pool? I never would've known! That, my friends, means the effects have won - when they're seamless!

The girl's, on the other hand, feature 3x as many actors and, more than on-the-computer special effects, a whole separate director, pyrotechnician, props, extra actors, costuming, and effects artist! Set the girl down with a pile of money and say 'you have the more expensive camera and effects program, now go!' and see if she gets close to anything she got here. Jason was a one-man show, the girl looked like she had the help of 10 or even 20 people. It's one of those ludicrous straw man arguments, where the audience thinks the "special effects" from the computer on the girl's shots are better because of the money/software when it's really from the people/resources at the production values ON THE SET, not in post.

Come on, talk about a stilted, stacked challenge. crazy
Posted: Wed, 11th Mar 2009, 9:34am

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Jason did do some pretty awesome compositing - I think we all know that compositing into moving water isn't exactly easy. The problem is that his sequence was quite low key and the effects were very subtle, which was about as far from the OTT BIG STOMPY ROBOT video that Suzy did. Though I was surprised that the 'effects expert' judge didn't note that. He just seemed to go "omg, robot!" smile

Maybe a more showy clone fight style extravaganza, in the spirit of Sollthar's 'The Test', would have had a better chance of winning the challenge.

We'd hoped that they'd also show the FXhome.com front page showreel as a "this is what you can also do!" kinda thing, but you can't have everything I guess.
Posted: Wed, 11th Mar 2009, 8:00pm

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Your welcome me

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THANKS !! hahahaha
Posted: Wed, 11th Mar 2009, 8:59pm

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Well I have to say if I was one of the judges, and didn't know what either one went through to get there effect, I would've went Suzy all the way. However I didn't find Jason's a good example of what Vision Lab can do, or that "visually stunning." I think he should have taken a different approach to it, like lightsabers, or using the muzzle flash engine, which would have definitely done better in front of judges.