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Posted: Sat, 21st Mar 2009, 10:16am

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"Camera" that word bothers me during the time I write my scripts. I write them as a hobby so I can film them soon. However, with only a Sony DVD Handycam that has terrible quality and is hard to export footage off, that is the hardest obstacle. It is like being a headless chicken, running about bumping into the walls and not getting anywhere.

The point is I only have a pretty bad camera, my Dad ain't getting a new one for me for his own reasons. And, every shop in my area has adequate employees, sending me out of the door, which means I don't have a job.

How, HOW can I move on to filming?
Posted: Sat, 21st Mar 2009, 11:17am

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Ummm... I'm not sure if I'm missing something, but clearly you need a new camera.
-Is it possible for you to buy one (a job)? Or have your dad buy it and you pay him back?
-Or you could purchase a lightly used one for quite a bit cheaper (try sites like newegg and amazon).
-It is also posible to rent cameras and qupiptment, but I imagine this gets expensive rather quickly.
-My last option is to see if you can borrow one from a firend or relative.

If not, I guess you're kinda stuck.
Posted: Sat, 21st Mar 2009, 11:49am

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Filming without a camera is kinda tough. But there's always ways around any problem.
Obviously, the better your production is, the higher your chances are of getting support.

- Ask around in your neighborhood if someone else has a videocamera and would lend / rent it to you
- Maybe this person with camera would even like to be your camera operator
- ask in stores whether they might be willing to support a young filmmaker
- ask in stores whether they rent out cameras for a couple of days
- Ask around if there's anything, anything you can do to earn some money (wash dishes, clean, build, mown, etc)


If you have your production planned out carefully and well, you should be able to limit any sort of costs. If you have to rent, keep your production time short etc.
Posted: Sat, 21st Mar 2009, 4:49pm

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The quality of your camcorder is an excuse - if you're determined you'll find a way. At least you have access to one. Or spend $50 on a Busbi or similar crappy one which you can transfer easily to a PC (eg http://snurl.com/e9xvc). Fact is you'll get better pictures with one of those than Rodriguez got with his VHS cameras back in his early days - just get the story and storytelling right, and if you're good, you'll find people more willing to give you money towards hiring better kit, etc.
Posted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2009, 4:19am

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Reckon a $300 Mini DV is good enough in terms of quality and how to export the footage?

There is a company that I went to a film wouce with called Switch, and they have Mac based rooms for free drop ins. However since my Dad has a big fat bonus in payment I would prefer my own camera.

I cant wait to film and to give all you guys credit for helping me!

Just to clarify, is Mini DV a sort of camera i should get?


P.S I only have movie maker and Ulead Video Studio 10 Plus sad
Posted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2009, 8:58am

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PLANB wrote:

Reckon a $300 Mini DV is good enough in terms of quality and how to export the footage?

There is a company that I went to a film wouce with called Switch, and they have Mac based rooms for free drop ins. However since my Dad has a big fat bonus in payment I would prefer my own camera.

I cant wait to film and to give all you guys credit for helping me!

Just to clarify, is Mini DV a sort of camera i should get?


P.S I only have movie maker and Ulead Video Studio 10 Plus sad
Dude, I could be wrong but I think that mini dv is actually a good format or whatever it's called to use. Just get new tapes rather than re-using the same one over and over, that'll give you bad quality.
And I can tell you from personal experiance... get yourself a better video editer than windows movie maker... please man I'm begging you to do yourself that favor. It'll give you nothing but issues and you'll be better off in the long run.
If you can't afford a good one you can try...
virtual dub, and or
Wax 2.0
Both are free to download. just google them.
I use them both as well as pinnacle which I bought for different stuff.
Posted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2009, 9:51am

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Isn't Ulead good enough?

Thankfully my Dad is buying me a mini DV cam at the end fo the week

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Posted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2009, 4:14pm

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Oh I don't know a thing about Ulead but congrats on the new camera.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2009, 5:46am

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Thanks!
Posted: Wed, 25th Mar 2009, 9:08am

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PLANB wrote:



Dude, I could be wrong but I think that mini dv is actually a good format
Yea Mini DV is a good format. To give you an idea, mini dv (which runs at 500 lines)is broadcast standard for America. It's a great format to use becasue you get good quality and its not very expensive biggrin
Posted: Wed, 25th Mar 2009, 12:01pm

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Jonnie wrote:



Yea Mini DV is a good format. To give you an idea, mini dv (which runs at 500
420
lines)is broadcast standard for America. It's a great format to use becasue you get good quality and its not very expensive biggrin
Sorry, I have to just clear this up - MiniDV is not the broadcast standard, not even close! It is a consumer tape format that networks will tolerate, but it far from "the standard". Even material at DV25 on DVCAM (a professional tape format same codec) is tolerated but not the format of choice, thanks to the compressed colour space. Digibeta for instance is greatly preferred, or even Beta SP. And that's all still in the SD world.

I agree that the poster should get MiniDV, it's a great consumer format and the tapes and cameras are very small and cheap. I just didn't want him thinking the networks were all run off of a fragile consumer format!
Posted: Sun, 29th Mar 2009, 4:39am

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My dad decided to ignore my request and pretend I never asked him! A minDV camera at JB HI Fi is only $200 and yet he has enough money to buy himself... stuff over $200.

What now?

Nocompany wants me to work for them, and the DVD handy cam only inmports a quater of its VRO and there are no good free converters unless they put their water marks on the videos.

sad

It is not ambitious to import foorage with a decent camera
Posted: Sun, 29th Mar 2009, 6:07am

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PLANB wrote:

My dad decided to ignore my request and pretend I never asked him! A minDV camera at JB HI Fi is only $200 and yet he has enough money to buy himself... stuff over $200.

What now?

Nocompany wants me to work for them, and the DVD handy cam only inmports a quater of its VRO and there are no good free converters unless they put their water marks on the videos.

sad

It is not ambitious to import foorage with a decent camera
A way to earn fairly easy money is to buy unfinished gun stocks for about twenty dollars, then refinish them (i.e. sand, stain, polish, etc.) and sell them on sites like eBay. I sold two stocks for a profit of $110. And they weren't even top-of-the-line stocks. It's a really good way to make money. All you need is a bit to start out with.

My dad taught me, but I'm not sure where he learned. I'll try to get back to you on that.

But my main point is that it won't take long at all to earn $200 with that tactic.
Posted: Sun, 29th Mar 2009, 6:27am

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Damn man that really sucks.
I found this yesterday and am waiting on my tax return to get one.

http://bingocameras.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=35

If you scroll down you'll see the first 4 listings with different prices.
That's not a bad deal at all. I think it's because they're coming out with an HV40 or something but the prices sure are dropping.
The camera by itself is not bad for being $254.00
Show this to your dad and maybe ask him if you can do some chores around the house for money. Laundry, mowing the yard, dishes, washing the family vehicle. Dude you could even go around your community and hold a carwash. You could charge between 5 or 10 bucks a car, charge more for larger vehicles, buy a few twelve packs of soda and sell them to your customers for 2 or 3 bucks a pop while they wait for their cars'. You buy a nine dollar 12 pack and turn it into 27 bucks profit. You could do the same kinda thing with frozen pizza, sandwiches or hotdogs, and explain to them why you're doing this, To buy yourself a camera.

I hope the link and ideas help you out a little. Get out there and make it work. Hell if your dad sees how determined you are because you're doing all this stuff to earn extra money by yourself... He "should" show some intereset and change his mind to help you out.
Hell dude, If I had a kid and they busted their ass to get something that was important to them, I'd be damned proud of them. So good luck my man. I hope it works out for you. biggrin
Posted: Sun, 29th Mar 2009, 11:14am

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spydurhank wrote:

Damn man that really sucks.
I found this yesterday and am waiting on my tax return to get one.

http://bingocameras.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=35
Is that for real? That's an awesome deal!
Posted: Sun, 29th Mar 2009, 2:14pm

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Caution: Shady Dealer Alert! (Very little feedback? -- must be new)
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Bingo_Cameras

Check the price of any camera you are interested in at B&H Photo, NewEgg, BestBuy, etc. If you find a price online somewhere that is significantly lower than those sites, proceed with extreme caution... Amazon.com is probably okay. Always check out the company on resellerratings.com.
Posted: Sun, 29th Mar 2009, 3:57pm

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Yeah, the HV30 is $600 on amazon. And the HV30 is $600 on newegg. Maybe the deal isn't legit?
Posted: Sun, 29th Mar 2009, 6:32pm

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Whoa!!! tard
Yeah dude that kinda sucks. I'm gonna give them a call and see what's up.
I've never bought a camera before on line before so Thanks to the guys, I'm gonna be careful.
But in the meentime I found this as well.

http://www.ontimedigital.com/products.asp?product_id=10648&from_search=10648&gclid=CIaU6YrfyJkCFRo8kgodYxfCUQ

http://www.camcordergenius.com/products.asp?product_id=10072

http://www.stopandshopdigital.com/products.asp?dept_id=&product_id=282

http://www.need4digital.com/product.asp?itemid=cnhv30&l=Everyprice

http://www.prestigecamera.com/ViewProduct.aspx?ID=9781282&l=Everyprice

I little bit up there in price but still good.
Posted: Sun, 29th Mar 2009, 7:37pm

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Seriously, for every site you check see what resellerratings.com has to say about them. Read the customer-submitted reviews:

http://www.resellerratings.com/store/On_Time_Digital
OnTimeDigital.com rates 0.3 out of 10

Stop and shop digital, on a scale of 0 to 10, gets a 2:
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Stop_and_Shop_Digital

Prestige Camera is one of the many names for Broadway Photo, and rates 1.18 out of 10:
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Broadway_Photo

If it sounds too good to be true, its probably a Brooklyn scam business. Lots of them have multiple web names that all funnel to the same business. Read the customer reviews on resellerratings.com to see how they operate.

Typical tactic is to lure somebody with an unbelievably low price, then say "Oh, you wanted a battery with that camera? that $x.xx more. And the charger? $x.xx. Lens Cap. Protective filter? etc. etc." If the caller is a naive buyer, they might end up paying *more* than normal and then actually receive what they ordered. If the caller is sophisticated enough to know better and insists "no, I just want the camera as advertised", the camera will end up being "out of stock" and the order will get canceled.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/107855/camera_confidential.html

Don't want to see anybody get burned...
Posted: Sun, 29th Mar 2009, 8:21pm

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wow man,
Thanks for sharing that. Amazon here I come.
Posted: Mon, 30th Mar 2009, 9:16pm

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Can someone tell me if this camera has very good quality and if it will work with my SD card? I think it will work with it (check specs). Also if any one knows how it charges that would be great, too!!! biggrin

http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=8277784&srccode=cii_9324560&cpncode=24-30275227-2

I found these good deals from:
http://resellerratings.nextag.com/SONY-DCRDVD610-Hybrid-DVD-586505335/resellerratings/prices-html

Both of the sites actually have free shipping.
Posted: Mon, 30th Mar 2009, 10:54pm

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Storm Grenade wrote:

Can someone tell me if this camera has very good quality and if it will work with my SD card? I think it will work with it (check specs). Also if any one knows how it charges that would be great, too!!! biggrin

http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=8277784&srccode=cii_9324560&cpncode=24-30275227-2

I found these good deals from:
http://resellerratings.nextag.com/SONY-DCRDVD610-Hybrid-DVD-586505335/resellerratings/prices-html

Both of the sites actually have free shipping.
Reseller ratings is not a store. Oh, you might want to look at this too.

But to answer your question, no that camera sucks. It's made for soccer moms to record their kid's games. Don't even bother looking for cameras that record to DVDs or SD cards.
Posted: Mon, 30th Mar 2009, 11:33pm

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Save your money, get an refurbished HV20 or a new HV30. You'll love it.
Posted: Tue, 31st Mar 2009, 7:07am

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What about a MD225?

Looks reasonably cheap and effective to me.
Posted: Tue, 31st Mar 2009, 7:39am

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An MD225 looks cheap and like it'll lack any sort of manual controls to me.

I'd stick to Mikeh's advice, save up your money for a while longer and get something second-hand/refurbished which is more likely to last you longer and improve you as a film-maker.

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Tue, 31st Mar 2009, 8:19am

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Thanks Arktic, problem is my actor who is pumped to film is starting to lose his patience. He is the only actor I could find in 3 years. However patience is important.

Isn't that camera like $600?
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pdrg wrote:


420
Pretty sure its 500...but i'm not gonna be one of them noobs that argue a lost point. My tutor said it was and he's on eof them "know everything" type people. But if you can correct me then cheers i would have learnt something biggrin
Posted: Tue, 31st Mar 2009, 8:09pm

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How do you put the tapes on the computer if it uses tapes? crazy
Posted: Tue, 31st Mar 2009, 11:13pm

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How do you put the tapes on the computer if it uses tapes? crazy
The most popular consumer camcorders using tapes today use the miniDV format tape, and record either "DV" or "HDV" video format.

To get the video from your camcorder to the computer, you need a "FireWire" cable (also called "iLink" by Sony, or IEEE-1394). One end plugs into your camcorder, the other into your PC or MAC. (You might need to add a FireWire/IEEE-1394 port to your computer if it doesn't have one built in.)

Getting the video from you camcorder to your computer is called "capturing". If you have one hour of video on the tape, it will take one hour to copy it to the computer. The actual details vary depending on what program you use for capturing and editing, but in simple terms you can think of it like this: the camcorder plays back the tape and sends the digital data to the computer. The data recorded on the computer should then be an exact, digital copy of what was recorded on the tape.

NOTE: Do not use a USB cable to get the video from the camcorder to the computer, no matter how tempted you are! USB transfer is fraught with problems and unknowns. Stick to a FireWire transfer and avoid a lot of headaches.
Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009, 1:43am

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Thanks! biggrin How much do the Firewire cables cost?
Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009, 2:36am

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Thanks! biggrin How much do the Firewire cables cost?
A variety are available on amazon Here

Firewire 800 cables on amazon Here

And some firewire cables from newegg Here

Probbaly around $13-$20 depending on the lenght and wether it is firewire 800 or 400.

Hope that helps you.
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[Edit: Sorry for the redundant info here! DVStudio posted while I was still typing...]

Storm Grenade wrote:

Thanks! biggrin How much do the Firewire cables cost?
At a store like BestBuy, a 6 ft Firewire cable is $30+ and is a total ripoff:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=5689089&st=firewire+cable&lp=2&type=product&cp=1&id=1055389307532

At online stores, a similar Firewire cable is maybe $10-$15? (plus shipping)
http://shop2.frys.com/product/4338405?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

On eBay, you can find them for $4 or so, with free shipping. I've bought several Firewire and USB cables from eBay and have never had a problem with them, but maybe I've just been lucky.

There are several types of Firewire cables, but most connectors are either 4 pins or 6 pins. Camcorders are almost always 4 pins (very small connector). Laptops are normally 4 pins, while PC's are normally 6-pins (about the same size as a USB connector on a PC). So for most laptops you would need a 4-pin to 4-pin Firewire cable. For most desktop PC's you would need a 4-pin to 6-pin Firewire cable.

More info and good illustrations here, on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewire

See the picture of the red cable for examples of 4-pin and 6-pin connections.
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Tim L wrote:

[Edit: Sorry for the redundant info here! DVStudio posted while I was still typing...]
wink Sorry man. My apologizies.
Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009, 10:16am

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make sure you get the right cable as well biggrin

Firewire 400 and 800 use different ports and 800 is not compatable with all cameras/computers. Although if you have a newer computer (e.g the new mac book pro) you should have firewire 800 port. I belive that firewire 400 is dying out slowly.
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My parents said I can't buy a camera over $300 because they think I'm wasting my money (geesh parents) and I need a camera with good quality and good audio that can also zoom in close. Does anyone know of such a great camera?

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well, i saw a thing on dvice.com eek
link-http://dvice.com/archives/2009/03/mini_review_vre.php

mayby this program can help for just 50$ wink
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Storm Grenade wrote:

My parents said I can't buy a camera over $300 (I'm 12) and I need a camera with good quality and good audio that can also zoom in close. Does anyone know of such a great camera?
Try to convince your parents that if you spend the extra $130, you get TONS more for your money.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16830120277

Also, try to work to make the extra money. But believe me, don't spend $300 now to spend another $430 in the future. Think of how much your saving in the long run...
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I disagree - Storm Grenade, you can make a perfectly decent film with a $100 camcorder. Yes the audio will suck, but it'll suck on a $10,000 camcorder too, unless you go to the expense of buying mics and cables and mixing them down.

No, a $100 camcorder won't look as great at a $500 one or a $5000 one - but you're starting out, and you don't have the money, so be gracious and make films with whatever you have to hand or can get. Even recording video on a mobile/cellphone will do to teach you composition, storytelling, scriptwriting, editing, grading, audio post, etc.
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Thanks for your help but I have a $60 camera I bought with my own money its audio and visuals suck pretty bad. It is an Aiptek MPEG-4. I need a pretty cheap camera to convense my parents to let me buy it. I need it before my birthday.(Birthday is in July) The camera that mikeh showed was pretty neat but 2 questions. How does it charge and can I put it on my tripod. Please help mikeh.eek eek eek
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Storm Grenade wrote:

The camera that mikeh showed was pretty neat but 2 questions. How does it charge and can I put it on my tripod.
1. Yeah. It will plug into a charger that will plug into the wall. The charger port is located on the inside of the cover flap that is labeld 'connectors'.

It would also include the battery and charger with the order.


2. More than likely the camera should connect to a tripod- their all pretty much the same.

Also... just so you know, it has a USB interface. With lots of HD footage, that will take a very long time to import. If you don't mind waiting for it, then nom problem. Also has an HDMI poort
(maybe no HDMI cable?)-- that's a good feature too, although it can't usually be used to import video, just to watch it.

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Posted: Fri, 3rd Apr 2009, 10:56pm

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Also has an HDMI poort-- that's a good feature too, although it can't usually be used to import video, just to watch it.
What do you mean it can't usually be used to import video? Can I put it in Effectslab?
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You changed your avatar from a smiley face to cameras. Big Change biggrin eek
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DVStudio wrote:

Also has an HDMI poort (maybe no HDMI cable?)-- that's a good feature too, although it can't usually be used to import video, just to watch it.
He means that HDMI output generally can't be used to import the video. For this camera, which records to tapes, you would connect it to your computer using a Firewire cable -- as discussed above.

By the way, the camera in the link is the Canon HV20 -- probably THE most recommended camera for budget film-making (in the under $800 range) of the last three years or so. It can optionally record in Hi-Def (HDV) or in Std Def (DV). Both formats are much easier to edit than MPEG4. Has a microphone input. I have no personal experience with it, but it has been highly, highly recommended by many others.
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Tim L wrote:

He means that HDMI output generally can't be used to import the video. For this camera, which records to tapes, you would connect it to your computer using a Firewire cable -- as discussed above.
But it has a USB cable place and an SD card. Why would I need a Firewire cable? Also does it come with tapes or do I have to buy them? What kind should I buy (or is there only 1 kind)?
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Storm Grenade wrote:

Tim L wrote:

He means that HDMI output generally can't be used to import the video. For this camera, which records to tapes, you would connect it to your computer using a Firewire cable -- as discussed above.
But it has a USB cable place and an SD card. Why would I need a Firewire cable? Also does it come with tapes or do I have to buy them? What kind should I buy (or is there only 1 kind)?
Yeah, it's still fine for importing. We're just saying firewire is faster than USB. Doesn't really matter.

As for the tapes, just miniDV or possibly HDV (I think) tapes are fine.
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make films with whatever you have to hand or can get.
This is prob the best advice to give. When your starting out (and don't be fooled that anoyone on these forums knows everything razz) you want to have fun but get experiance and try new things out. No one will critize you for using a cheaper camera. Most people do. Like its been siad if you focus on the story and making the story really good when you get better equipment you'll make great films that look awesome biggrin. If you want proof Robert Rodriguez's first film El Mariachi was shoot on what he could get his hands on, and the filming was average, but it was so good because he had a good story.

Walk before you can run. biggrin
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Jonnie wrote:

pdrg wrote:

make films with whatever you have to hand or can get.
This is prob the best advice to give. When your starting out (and don't be fooled that anoyone on these forums knows everything razz) you want to have fun but get experiance and try new things out. No one will critize you for using a cheaper camera. Most people do. Like its been siad if you focus on the story and making the story really good when you get better equipment you'll make great films that look awesome biggrin. If you want proof Robert Rodriguez's first film El Mariachi was shoot on what he could get his hands on, and the filming was average, but it was so good because he had a good story.

Walk before you can run. biggrin
Very good advise man. +1 for you.
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DVStudio wrote:

Storm Grenade wrote:

Tim L wrote:

He means that HDMI output generally can't be used to import the video. For this camera, which records to tapes, you would connect it to your computer using a Firewire cable -- as discussed above.
But it has a USB cable place and an SD card. Why would I need a Firewire cable? Also does it come with tapes or do I have to buy them? What kind should I buy (or is there only 1 kind)?
Yeah, it's still fine for importing. We're just saying firewire is faster than USB. Doesn't really matter.

As for the tapes, just miniDV or possibly HDV (I think) tapes are fine.
You can't import video off of an HV20 or 30 with a USB cable or SD card. FireWire is the best and only choice. (you can use HDMI but it requires more expensive equipment)
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mikeh wrote:

DVStudio wrote:

Storm Grenade wrote:

Tim L wrote:

He means that HDMI output generally can't be used to import the video. For this camera, which records to tapes, you would connect it to your computer using a Firewire cable -- as discussed above.
But it has a USB cable place and an SD card. Why would I need a Firewire cable? Also does it come with tapes or do I have to buy them? What kind should I buy (or is there only 1 kind)?
Yeah, it's still fine for importing. We're just saying firewire is faster than USB. Doesn't really matter.

As for the tapes, just miniDV or possibly HDV (I think) tapes are fine.
Yeah. It's pretty ridiculous that the camera doesn't include the firewire cable. How the heck are you supposed to use it without one? Doesn't make any sense. Many new computers do have HDMI- maybe Storm Grenade's is newer? Still the camera doesn't include an HDMI cable either...

You can't import video off of an HV20 or 30 with a USB cable or SD card. FireWire is the best and only choice. (you can use HDMI but it requires more expensive equipment)
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DVStudio wrote:

mikeh wrote:

DVStudio wrote:

Storm Grenade wrote:

Tim L wrote:

He means that HDMI output generally can't be used to import the video. For this camera, which records to tapes, you would connect it to your computer using a Firewire cable -- as discussed above.
But it has a USB cable place and an SD card. Why would I need a Firewire cable? Also does it come with tapes or do I have to buy them? What kind should I buy (or is there only 1 kind)?
Yeah, it's still fine for importing. We're just saying firewire is faster than USB. Doesn't really matter.

As for the tapes, just miniDV or possibly HDV (I think) tapes are fine.
Yeah. It's pretty ridiculous that the camera doesn't include the firewire cable. How the heck are you supposed to use it without one? Doesn't make any sense. Many new computers do have HDMI- maybe Storm Grenade's is newer? Still the camera doesn't include an HDMI cable either...

You can't import video off of an HV20 or 30 with a USB cable or SD card. FireWire is the best and only choice. (you can use HDMI but it requires more expensive equipment)
Wow those are a lot of quotes. Thanks guys I'll try to convense my parents into buying it.

On an unrelated note: I'm trying to make a matrix bullet effect where the bullet flys by the camera. Do you know of any good and very very easy programs that can do this? I need it to be free and have a tutorial. In know thats a lot to ask but...

I NEED IT!!!!!!!!!!
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"good", "very very easy", and "free" never go together very well. smile
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"good", "very very easy", and "free" never go together very well. smile
He's right. You'll have to pick one or two and omit the third, or else moderate. If one had to be omitted, I would do "free". Paying money is worth it for a non-annoying, useful camera. (Assuming you're still talking about cameras here; I'm not really following the discussion.biggrin )


EDIT: Oh, a Matrix effect. Sorry, just saw that. The easiest way is to film a real bullet, static of course, and move it past the camera at the required pace. That's if you have bullets on hand; my dad has a few thousand in the basement.
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"good", "very very easy", and "free"
Those all remind me of Blender (except the very very easy one). Here is an example of a bullet someone created in blender, on here he goes by RodyPolis, maybe you should ask him about it?



-Biblmac-
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I finished my script and writing the treatment, a lot of people say it's really good! My DVD camera is still not useful, it's old, hard to get footage off and has terrible quality not worth spending time to film with.

But THANK YOU to everyone who gave me advice here!
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I tried Blender and found it way too complicated. Are 3D Studio Max, Cinema 4D, or Vue 7 Pioneer any better? They all take forever to download so I just exited out. If you find an easier program that is free please tell me! tard
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Storm Grenade wrote:

I tried Blender and found it way too complicated. Are 3D Studio Max, Cinema 4D, or Vue 7 Pioneer any better? They all take forever to download so I just exited out. If you find an easier program that is free please tell me! tard
I hear you on that one man. Blender does have a steep learning curve but then again so do every other 3D apps. The best you can do is watch the video tuts', there are tons of them on youtube and there are links on the main Blender site to other sites that host even more tuts'.
On a good note there's a version 5. of Blender coming out soon, not sure when but I think that they're re-working the user interface and fixing whatever bugs they have right now. Who knows, this might make it easier on everyone. and once again the program is pretty bad-ass for being free.
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Cheap.

Powerful.

Easy to use.

You can only have 2 of the 3.
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How would I get started being a freelancer?
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You see my Steros stopped working on April 1st when the Conficker virus was reported. I need a tutorial with pics and descriptions. How do you insert footage into Blender?
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Storm Grenade wrote:

You see my Steros stopped working on April 1st when the Conficker virus was reported. I need a tutorial with pics and descriptions. How do you insert footage into Blender?
Okay. There are many useful web tutuorials on using Blender. I have comiled a small lkst of some useful ones for you. A quick google or Yahoo search yields a lot of results.

Video tutorial search results

Here is another good video

Blender.org Online Tutorials

Blender.org Video Tutorials

Hopefully that helps you out? I am not very good with Blender. Just starting to learn though. These seem to be really helpful to me, so hopefully that helps you too. smile
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PLANB wrote:

How would I get started being a freelancer?
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DVStudio wrote:

Storm Grenade wrote:

You see my Steros stopped working on April 1st when the Conficker virus was reported. I need a tutorial with pics and descriptions. How do you insert footage into Blender?
Okay. There are many useful web tutuorials on using Blender. I have comiled a small lkst of some useful ones for you. A quick google or Yahoo search yields a lot of results.

Video tutorial search results

Here is another good video

Blender.org Online Tutorials

Blender.org Video Tutorials

Hopefully that helps you out? I am not very good with Blender. Just starting to learn though. These seem to be really helpful to me, so hopefully that helps you too. smile
That was very, very cool of you to do!
+1 from me to you! biggrin
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spydurhank wrote:

DVStudio wrote:

Storm Grenade wrote:

You see my Steros stopped working on April 1st when the Conficker virus was reported. I need a tutorial with pics and descriptions. How do you insert footage into Blender?
Okay. There are many useful web tutuorials on using Blender. I have comiled a small lkst of some useful ones for you. A quick google or Yahoo search yields a lot of results.

Video tutorial search results

Here is another good video

Blender.org Online Tutorials

Blender.org Video Tutorials

Hopefully that helps you out? I am not very good with Blender. Just starting to learn though. These seem to be really helpful to me, so hopefully that helps you too. smile
That was very, very cool of you to do!
+1 from me to you! biggrin
Thanks man. I appreciate it.
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Thanks DV! I don't have sound so the Youtube ones might be a problem but thanks a lot!!!
+1 for you, man!
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I'm also trying to make a 3D bullet in Blender with the shell flying to the side too! I don't know how to inport footage so i'll check a tutorial. I hope I can fix my sound!
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There's a way to do it "add video" but I think there may be a bug in Vista because Blender freezes up on me when I import pics or video but it works on my friends XP so I'm kinda stuck right now. I was able to save a short render in Blender as single files, png I think? which Vision Lab is able to import as an image stream.
It was not great because I am just learning how to position the right kind of lights for shadows, but with the awesome compositing and grading power of V.L. it looked okay for a first test.
Like I said I'm stuck going to my buddys house for animating and stuff in Blender then going back to my house to put the 3D elements with the video together. Time consuming but that's what I have to work with for the time being.
Fix your sound as soon as you can dude. Once you do a few things in Blender a few times, they'll stay in your brain and you'll start learning fatser. It gets easier with a little time. biggrin
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Thanks! I didn't see that... but I do have Windows XP so (YAY!) but I don't have sound (BOO!)
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http://www.caligari.com/ Caligari TruSpace is also free, and has a different UI some people may prefer.
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Still wondering how to get started on freelancing. Also STILL no employers want me. And the people that were supposed to give me the camera said it needed an overhaul.

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PLANB wrote:

Still wondering how to get started on freelancing.
1) Make a buisness card with details like email, website mobile (prehaps) your name and what you offer. Then give out as much as possible.

2) Ask local venues. If theres a small hall near you that do bingo on a wednesday (for example) ask them if they would like you do shoot a promo for them. I have got a lot of repsonse from local schools both state and private.

3) Networking. You need to build up a good network. I recently joined a film club which has ex BBC camera/lighting pros which not only can i use in my films, i also get involved with projects they ask me for (from runner to cameraman, editor sometimes even director)

I'll give you some advice that was given to me which really helped. For the first 5 years, be prepared to work for very little. It oftern takes about that to gain enough experiance and get yourself stated. But if you can work through that you will find more work comes through and then you can really make some great work. The guy that told me filmed that ross kept thing in afganistan, so i trust him lol. Hope that helps dude biggrin
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spydurhank wrote:

There's a way to do it "add video" but I think there may be a bug in Vista because Blender freezes up on me when I import pics or video but it works on my friends XP so I'm kinda stuck right now.
I dont see where it says "add video". Directions would be nice. BTW I am an beginner.
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Don't forget proper freelancing means keeping books, managing your own company, no holidays, no sick pay, finding your own work, putting ludicrous hours into your business, your Mrs missing you, etc. I have been freelance for years and years, I wouldn't have it any other way, but it's not something you do if you can't get a job, you must really want the whole freelance package and dealing with tax authorities etc.

If it's something you *REALLY* want to do, and are prepared to learn a LOAD about business, it's a great lifestyle, but if you want regular money and little stress in your life, forget it!
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Thanks for the advice guys, get this:

My film course teacher works at ICE that have free editing drop ins and they sell or rent cameras. I could have gotten the cameras for free, however they are moving so they can't give it to me until the school holidays are over!

After a good day of me and my drama group performing and having a party while the other students went to class, I expected a good holiday of filming!

burst

I say "It's frustrating with film making sometimes" and that 'sometimes' for me is nearly 4 years. sad
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Now what?
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PLANB wrote:

Now what?
you can't have possibly done all the things people advised already lol
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Thanks DV! I don't have sound so the Youtube ones might be a problem but thanks a lot!!!
Well, now you've got sound right? So these should now work.

PLANB wrote:

Now what?
Well my advice is that, perhaps if you can get a camera (rent, borrow, buy, etc) then you could make a demo reel. This can show people what you can do and then they'l be more likely to hire you.

Get your name around. Help someone with a promotional video or a trip video and they'll talk. They'll spread your name. Even if you do that work for free, it'll help later. You'll also find that the more work you do, the better you get. I always look back at old projects and always want to redo them. Then I finish the redo and realize I could have done even better. Oh well. It is a vicious cycle smile

Great advice from the other posters above. Listen to them.

*Keep in mind that my advice may not apply directly, as I am unsure exactly what you are trying to do. Freelancing can be a broad term...

We only get one pass in this world. There is no undo button. No ctrl-Z. Screw up, there's no turning back. Only one pass. Make it your best for that is all there is of you. Hey, with some hard work and a little luck, you may just be great.

Cheers,
DV
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All advice taken, however I am broke cause I don't have a job cause no places are available. sad
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All advice taken, however I am broke cause I don't have a job cause no places are available. sad
You've clearly taken none of the advice here on board.

How does volunteering to help with local media projects need money? Why can't you do that?

And if you think there's no local media projects that are either going on or that you can start - then you've not put the effort in to find it. Like others have suggested, speak to local schools or charities and offer to shoot promotional videos (for free!) - very often, they'll be able to provide you with equipment to make the video, and in return, you get material that you can put together a demo reel to start getting paid gigs.
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I'd just like to echo some of arktic's points.

When i started out i worked for free for most of the things i shot. I did editing, and promos for anyone i could. I'm not saying that your not bothering but i think its fair to say that you haven't exhausted all the options. This line of work is hard work, and requires effort as everyone on this thread has said. So mainly go out there and get your name known by volunterring your skills.

Remember if a company or a school are gonna pay for it, then they'll pay for someone with experiance. Since your starting out you really have to do things for peanuts or absoulty nothing. Once you've gotten yourself known then you can start charging, or what we find now, people ask for your expertise.
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Man, it really is about getting the experience. And forget trying to freelance without any experience, you'll be laughed out of the building or dig yourself a hole you can't escape financially because you don't understand business yet. Instead find your local TV station/wedding video company/whattheheckever company and ask them for work experience. Where you turn up and make tea for people unpaid for weeks just to be in the right place and learn stuff. If you tell me there's no wedding videographers covering your area, I'll know you're not really making an effort, they're ubiquitous.

Do that, get experience, start getting good at something, then you can charge people for doing it - but until then sell lemonade/wash cars/flip burgers and volunteer for experience. There are more people chasing media jobs than media jobs chasing people.