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Posted: Sat, 21st Mar 2009, 10:54pm

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Hey guys, I'm doing a research paper on Barrack Obama's run for the White House. But I can't seem to find enough interesting stuff to put on there. The stuff from the database our teacher gave us isn't really 'hot'. It's just the boring news stuff which, while helpful, just aren't enough.

I want all the stories I heard during the campaign. The ones about him being Muslim, not saluting the flag, not born in America. that kind of stuff. I want to discuss all the problems he faced in the race. I've been sitting at the computer for hours now and all I'm finding is just websites full of haters with no provable sources. I'm just not good in researching that kind of stuff.

I also want the good stuff too, not just bad stuff. I'm just trying to write a paper that won't put people to sleep, so if anyone can help me with that please do. Thanks
Posted: Sat, 21st Mar 2009, 11:16pm

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Search Reddit
http://www.reddit.com/

E.g. Obama muslim, Obama flag, Obama birth.

Anything about Obama will have been submitted there, mark my words...
Posted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2009, 2:15am

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Better yet, search Digg, the more legit version of Reddit.

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Posted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2009, 4:04am

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ben3308 wrote:

Better yet, search Digg, the more legit version of Reddit.

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I don't think you know it, but there are about one hundred thousand nerds out to kill you for that comment.

But yes, Digg was definitely a beacon of the Obama campaign on the web. It was to a point that I started to not use the website anymore.
Posted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2009, 5:00am

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Okay, obama stuff.. Here's what I got. A bit of a warning, though. Some of this stuff might actually convince you. (and for good reason)

Obama's Birth Certificate. People still believe that Obama wasn't born in hawaii, but rather in Indonesia. http://www.obamacrimes.info/justthefacts.html There's a ton of other information on that same website, including a few videos.

Obama not saluting the flag. That's true. Here's a video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o

I'm sure digg will bring up quite a few results about the muslim theory. I'm not positive about what you mean by "the good stuff" but if you can be a little more specific, I'd might be able to help a little more.
Posted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2009, 8:25am

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Sorry Thrawn, you're normally good about this; but please please please don't link to propaganda. The site is called obamacrimes, for Christ's sake. It's all speculation that misled people are going to see and cite as hard evidence, and that's just detrimental to any progress overall.
Posted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2009, 9:57am

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ben3308 nailed it on the head there, any website with a kind of title like that is going to be talking out of it's arse, basing most of it's content on pure speculation and twisting real world events to mean something completely different.

Rodypolis, you might want to check out the following news websites, run a few searches as mentioned previously and base your research around what you can find in there...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/default.stm
http://www.reuters.com/

Both of these are completely unbiased (politically) in their coverage and they only run stories with a shred of truth to them. They are considered to be the bee knees in terms of journalistic reporting.

For brownie points you could focus your paper on what *actually* happened during Obama's run for the WH, then maybe also mention some of the other sites making "news" <cough> reports that tried to pull Obama down any which way they could?

Hope that helps,

NR
Posted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2009, 12:53pm

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Obama not saluting the flag. That's true.
OMG! He deserves to be shot on sight...
Posted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2009, 1:10pm

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Thrawn wrote:

Okay, obama stuff.. Here's what I got. A bit of a warning, though. Some of this stuff might actually convince you. (and for good reason)

Obama's Birth Certificate. People still believe that Obama wasn't born in hawaii, but rather in Indonesia. http://www.obamacrimes.info/justthefacts.html There's a ton of other information on that same website, including a few videos.

Obama not saluting the flag. That's true. Here's a video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o

I'm sure digg will bring up quite a few results about the muslim theory. I'm not positive about what you mean by "the good stuff" but if you can be a little more specific, I'd might be able to help a little more.
I see nothing wrong with posting these links, but with an obvious disclaimer that they're biased in one direction. I personally don't think you deserve rating down but presenting them as truth that will convince us was a silly idea.

The OP's looking to create a balanced report (I hope), not a propoganda filled one. The links DO seem relevant in providing an example of reporting on Obama from one particular viewpoint.
Posted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2009, 4:03pm

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Oh come on guys, Rody wanted links, and I have him links. Do you honestly think that articles about Obama's birth certificate would NOT be biased? rolleyes Ben, I think if you looked at the site, that you'll see that they have some "evidence". I wouldn't post a site that didn't have proof, at least in their opinion. Same goes for you No Respite. Don't judge it until you checked it out. If you look through the site for ten minutes or so and still believe that it's crap, then I'll be more than happy to just disagree and walk away. But actually look at the site if you want to judge it. But I'll stop there as I really don't want to get into a political discussion.

Sollthar wrote:

OMG! He deserves to be shot on sight...
Ha, Sollthar I really hope you didn't think that was my reaction. I was just making sure Rody knew that it was a fact, not just a theory like many of others that he brought up. Sorry if I... offended you?

But Melliflous is right, I should have presented the website as what it is; biased. While I wasn't trying to make the website seem unbiased, I'll be sure to do that next time.
Posted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2009, 4:21pm

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Negative rating removed wink Shhhh.

It's my belief that a journalistic approach to research requires looking at everything. From the most staunch support to most ridiculous opposition. Under this principle there would have been nothing wrong with Thrawn's links even if he'd had a bad attitude about them.

Plus, I'm kind of tired of ceaseless pro-obama. Whilst I wanted him to win, let's now wait until he does something worthy of reverence. There's a long way to go yet, America.

-Hybrid
Posted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2009, 4:29pm

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Hey thanks for everything guys, really helped so far. And No I'm not making an Anti-obama paper. But I do need everything that has been going around about him. thanks again everything really helped
Posted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2009, 7:38pm

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Heh, no Thrawn. I just found the line pretty funny. But must be my swiss nature. The simple fact someone notices that someone else doesn't salute a flag, or even the sheer thought of saluting a flag amuses me. That's all. smile
Posted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2009, 8:06pm

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Sollthar wrote:

Heh, no Thrawn. I just found the line pretty funny. But must be my swiss nature. The simple fact someone notices that someone else doesn't salute a flag, or even the sheer thought of saluting a flag amuses me. That's all. smile
I guess it's different here in the US biggrin
Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2009, 3:59am

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Well, Sollthar I look at it as if your running for president, it might be a good idea to salute to the flag (And make sure that the 25 DVDs you give as a preset to an almost blind UK prime minister is in PAL and not NTSC http://newslite.tv/2009/03/20/gordon-brown-cant-watch-obamas.html).
Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2009, 6:16am

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An easy mistake, Rockfilmers. Hardly 'oooohhh look wut obama did!!11' info. For being so newsworthy, the article maybe should have mentioned that nearly all DVDs can be played in computers, which I'm certain the UK PM has. wink
Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2009, 10:50am

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Rockfilmers wrote:

... an almost blind UK prime minister...
Wow. I think you show your ignorance not only about foreign events but also about your attitude to visually-impaired people. Loosing an eye does NOT automatically make you 'almost blind'. That's quite offensive to people with one eye.

Arktic.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2009, 11:19am

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Rockfilmers wrote:

an almost blind UK prime minister
What the flying funk?
Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2009, 11:27am

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Tarn wrote:

Rockfilmers wrote:

an almost blind UK prime minister
What the flying funk?
Gordon Brown is blind in his left eye, Tarn. It happened after he was kicked in the head during a rugby match when he was young.

I don't see what it has to do with anything though. It would be like me criticizing him by saying he has an almost-black president.

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Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2009, 11:39am

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Yeah, I was aware of him being blind in one eye, it was just Rockfilmers' random mentioning of it that I didn't understand.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2009, 11:40am

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Maybe rockfilmers was just very proud that he, as an american, knew anything about a foreign politician?
Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2009, 1:44pm

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I'm just saying it's not the most thought out gift in the world. I knew that I would be attacked and it wasn't even Obamas fault, It's not like he is the one to walk to Wal-Mart and buy them.

But anyway, I'm not a fan of Obama, and I'm not just ignorant of him and foreign affairs. I'm sick and tiered of being told I'm ignorant just because I don't agree with you guys.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2009, 2:03pm

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Yeah, but what's the DVD gift got to do with him being blind in one eye? And, as has been pointed out, one eye does not equal 'almost blind'.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2009, 3:05pm

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OK, tarn your right, but the fact that the Prime Minister is blind in one eye was not the point of my post.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2009, 5:09pm

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Rockfilmers wrote:

OK, tarn your right, but the fact that the Prime Minister is blind in one eye was not the point of my post.
You seem unaware at the repercussions are of saying something completely ignorant has, though. If Stephen Hawking was to finish a lecture about the cosmos with "And I hate black people" it would invalidate anything he said previously and people would say he was an idiot.

And you're no Stephen Hawking to begin with. People don't think you're ignorant because they disagree with you. It's more because you say ignorant things,

But going back to Obama's gift. Sure, he didn't go to Wal-Mart to buy the DVDs. But he sanctioned the gift to a foreign politician. One which you know, gave him probably one of the most precious and symbolic gifts I can think someone can give America's first black president.

Just sayin.
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Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2009, 5:17pm

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That pen gift is indeed slyly symbolic. The DVD set from Obama is also bizarrely cheap...was it presented in a gold box or something? Or was it just part of a larger gift? Otherwise it's just plain weird! Did they think that American movies were hard to get hold of in the UK?

The region issue is fairly irrelevant though. Anybody that can't play NTSC stuff in the UK is a plonker.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2009, 7:23pm

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Your right, I shouldn't have called him blind to make my point.

It is embarrassing for me. I heard about the UKs gift to Obama first and I thought "Wow, that is really cool." When I heard Obama's gift to the UK, it made me a little mad because for the past 100 years or so, the US and UK have been through a lot and it's like him saying, "Here you go, this is what I think of you." He is really confusing me. I think with in a year though, he'll learn from these kind of mistakes. I heard something about him sending back a bust of William Churchill also unsure
Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2009, 7:49pm

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Arktic wrote:

Rockfilmers wrote:

... an almost blind UK prime minister...
Wow. I think you show your ignorance not only about foreign events but also about your attitude to visually-impaired people. Loosing an eye does NOT automatically make you 'almost blind'. That's quite offensive to people with one eye.

Arktic.
Ahh. You hit the nail on the head my friend. And opened up a can of worms. You criticize Rockfilmer's ignorance of blind people, but what about Obama's jokes at the expense of the special olympics participants? Hmm? Obama's Speical Olympics Joke
Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2009, 8:45pm

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DVStudio wrote:

Arktic wrote:

Rockfilmers wrote:

... an almost blind UK prime minister...
Wow. I think you show your ignorance not only about foreign events but also about your attitude to visually-impaired people. Loosing an eye does NOT automatically make you 'almost blind'. That's quite offensive to people with one eye.

Arktic.
Ahh. You hit the nail on the head my friend. And opened up a can of worms. You criticize Rockfilmer's ignorance of blind people, but what about Obama's jokes at the expense of the special olympics participants? Hmm? Obama's Speical Olympics Joke
I can explain Obama's gaff, being someone who spends a lot of time in front of an audience speaking.

I sympathise with the situation Obama found himself in according to your story. When you are up there speaking away off the cuff and without any form nailed down script (as Obama... and any good public speaker will do) then sometimes your brain is so busy trying to conjugate a coherent sentence that will get your point across that you forget how things may sound to other people.

So many times, when stressing stuff to the students, I'll say things that "could" have caused offense to people (e.g. light swear words or blasphemy).

As the words rattled out of my mouth they sound innocent enough. But when you look back at them retrospectively you realise that you could have caused offense, and could have phrased your point better.

HOWEVER: The difference between Rockfilmers and Obama was that Obama was speaking off the cuff... Rockfilmers was (or should have been) carefully writing down his words and crafting his point - and this would have given him time to rectify anything that would cause offense.

The problem with public speaking is that once you've said something offensive, it's out there. Whether you meant it or not, and sometimes it's very difficult to rectify that.

There is no edit button when speaking to the public wink
Posted: Tue, 24th Mar 2009, 4:24am

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But seriously, guys, who cares about small blunders like this? If you concentrate on such minute details, you might miss the errors that Obama makes that actually matter.

Quit looking for petty details, because you know that no matter what, Bush will always be worse in terms of gaffes and public speaking. The point is, that doesn't matter. Bush wasn't an awful president because he jumbled his words, he was an awful president because he ruined the country.

Concentrate on Obama's policies and actions if you want to actually help the country.
Posted: Tue, 24th Mar 2009, 5:41am

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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

If Stephen Hawking was to finish a lecture about the cosmos with "And I hate black people" it would invalidate anything he said previously and people would say he was an idiot.
Such a poor analogy. Saying something like "I hate black people" isn't just ignorant, really - there's no lack of knowledge per-se in that statement - it's hateful and unapologetically discriminatory.

Saying 'almost blind', on the other hand, is just a quick note to denote poor vision. Is it overly general? Yeah, as are many generalizations. But that doesn't mean he didn't know what he was talking about, or that the statement was any less apt - or that he included it as a negative remark to the handicap itself. It's relevant to 'seeing' a DVD and is a generalization for the sake of being brief (something I'm not as versed at biggrin). Granted, I wouldn't call me own mother 'almost blind' (she lacks peripheral vision) but she's my mother, not an elected official whom I've never met.
Posted: Tue, 24th Mar 2009, 5:45am

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Pooky wrote:

Concentrate on Obama's policies and actions if you want to actually help the country.
Don't tell us what to do, Canadian! wink