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Posted: Wed, 29th Apr 2009, 10:51am

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I am eligable to get funds for my movie in a emerging film maker's funding application! $30,000 AUS is the maximum money I can spend. It is tough when choosing which 'hollywood' cinematic punch and thump sounds to get as well as what shoot and release format the movie will be filmed and released in.

As well as which editing software to use, should I buy a Mac and get Final cut?

I am getting the visionlab bundle from this as well smile

Thanks
Posted: Wed, 29th Apr 2009, 11:37am

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No offense, but you're only 15 and $30k is a lot of money- especially to give to someone who, from the impression I'm getting, doesn't have a clear idea of what he's going to do with it. Mentioning 'punch and thump sounds' before NLE, camera, etc. is a semi-scary notion for someone with such potential funds.

You mind me asking how you came into such money; more-specifically? Maybe I can get into this racket... wink
Posted: Wed, 29th Apr 2009, 12:42pm

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Hey just cause I am leveling up doesn't mean I have a better chance of failing buddy. Getting this opportunity only means I am getting more experienced. You have not seen my work so you can't prove that I don't deserve this gift. I simply applied to a funding organisation and my project was eligable and yeah smile

Now, can I get what I was asking for please?
Posted: Wed, 29th Apr 2009, 1:51pm

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Well since you already have a PC why not just get one of the great PC programs? Do you know any already? What are you currently using?

I am scared to make suggestions on programs when I don't know what you know about, are you used to premiere or vegas? WMM or Imovie?

Then same for a camera? What do you already have? Do you know how to use it to its full potential? If you do get a new camera (like lets say a Panasonic DVX100b) how will I know that you are buying something over your head (it would definitely overwhelm me). A little more info on what you already have/know would be nice.

Oh and PS I don't think Atom was saying anything mean, but I think that he thinks you have your priorities wrong. Seeing as you mentioned sound effects before a better camera that would make me wonder also... I think he just feels you may spend it wrong...
Posted: Wed, 29th Apr 2009, 3:57pm

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That's eligible, not eligable. Grammar nazism.

Why would you buy a Mac if you already have a PC? $30k is a lot. The first thing I would do is buy a good camera, unless you already have one.
Posted: Wed, 29th Apr 2009, 4:11pm

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Well, congratulations on your 30k...

When it comes to a budget for a film, you'll find that hardware and software will be the least of your problems. Technically, you could do a lot with 30k (which is a lot more then I had on my feature film). So what will your film be about? Will it feature a lot of actors? They're expensive. Will it be shot on HD? Expensive. Do you have a lighting kit or someone who can rent and operate one? Expensive. Will you hire a camera OP with his own equipment in order not to have to buy it for yourself? Expensive. And so on and so forth.

I can understand the odd feeling some express about someone who doesn't appear to know that much about filmmaking would get that amount of money (and the questions you raise do imply a very basic knowledge in terms of film financing, clearly), but congratulations in any case.

Personally, I'd recommend you get someone who knows his stuff on board and push the limits as much as you can with these 30'000. Forget the mac and the pc and visionlab.
Posted: Wed, 29th Apr 2009, 5:21pm

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That's a remarkable amount of money to get at age 15 - are you sure you've *got* the AU$30k, or have you just applied to a fund as an eligible producer? Over here, there are a few similar funds available, but they are *MASSIVELY* subscribed, literally hundreds of people applying for the same pot of cash (and so most don't get it!).

I know the few funding agencies here really want to make sure the money will be well spent too. They demand a copy of your budget when allocating finances, but won't entertain capital purchases (just rentals).

If you really do have that much cash to spend as you please, have a great time!
Posted: Wed, 29th Apr 2009, 5:53pm

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Gosh, you're lucky. I wouldn't know what to do with that sort of money... okay, maybe I would. Have you ever completed a feature length film before, or even a 15-30 minute short film? I'd recomend doing so before even touching that 30 grand. That way, you'll gain some experience on what large sums of money could be spent on. Hopefully, you'll have already completed a serious film. One thing you DON'T want to do is blow all the money on an amazing camera, and just go out filming like you would regularly. I'm not saying that your regular filming is bad, but considering most fifteen year olds have films that lack so much, I'd be sure to know what you're doing.

But like I said, don't just buy a good camera and consider yourself done. You have to worry about lighting, sound, post-production, camera rigs, a decent script, etc as well as finding someone how to use the equipment that you're buying/renting. Let me say that I'm not telling you how to spend your money, and it's the same with anyone else here, but when you're being funded, you have to know everything neccisary to have outstanding results.

If you're overwhelmed about most of this, I'd reccomend starting out to your local library or bookstore and rent/buy out every single book they have about filmmaking and budgeting a film. Good luck man, I hope it turns out well for you.
Posted: Wed, 29th Apr 2009, 6:08pm

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The first rule of EVERYTHING when dealing with this much money: RENT EVERYTHING. By renting, you can get 100k+ of production value in terms of what equipment you use, what stunts/locations/licenses you use for less than 1/3 of the price. Renting is key, here, and there are hoardes of companies that (I'm sure) would love to take you up on your budget and supply you, in turn.

Rent Arri HMIs and make sure to get a good helping or redheads and blondes. Lighting is everything, and it's the most common 'make or break' between amateur and professional cinematography.

Rent out a good rig, preferably a Panasonic HVX200 (assuming you know how to use HD, 3 chip cameras) or even a RED, if you've got the workflow for it. The Canon XHA1 is also a great choice. Also, if you do go digital, I'd recommend a 35mm adapter, preferably a Letus, SGBlade, or Brevis with a Nikon PL mount and some good primes.

Then there's also the option of hiring out a decent 16mm Arri camera, though you've got to figure most of your budget for film, development, and transfer. Even so, film has an authenticity that can't be matched.

Then there's the issue of rigs and accessories for your camera kit, which can be daunting. As a rule of thumb, stick with a Manfrotto fluid head for stabilization (anything above a 501HDV head should be sufficient) and possibly even a Fig Rig, if you're not keen on hiring someone to use a Steadycam for you (do NOT attempt to buy a suit and use it yourself, there's a reason people are trained for it). Also, be sure to have audio covered: hypercardioid shotguns are what I use, generally, but wireless lavaliers aren't a bad idea either: hell, you have the money, get both!

And, above ALL THINGS, if you can't figure out where to start with all the pricing and equipment: HIRE A LINE PRODUCER. Honestly, if they know what they're doing (and they should) they'll take care of most of these issues for you.

For anything I've mentioned, you need to sign agreements and promisory notes and all sorts of paperwork - so be prepared to have a consenting adult nearby for any of your decisions - as a minor, you have run into issues. Best of luck, I hope you don't get too in over your head!
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Now, can I get what I was asking for please?
Can you maybe give a little more details about the project?

As helpful as everyone's suggestions have been, they're all academic if they don't fit the scope of your project. So give us some more details if you expect us to take you seriously (and not just think you're bragging about 30k that doesn't exist... MikeC anyone?)...

Seriously though, what is it, a feature, a short, a TV show, an internet serial, an action movie, a drama, a documentary, a comedy, actuality, directed actuality, a sitcom, a romance, heavy on CG, heavy on pyro, set in Moldova, set on the moon, all star cast, ensemble cast... what?

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Wed, 29th Apr 2009, 7:34pm

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I agree with Arktic, tell us more about what is going on and then we can help you decide more accurately.
Posted: Wed, 29th Apr 2009, 9:47pm

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Okay sorry for the lack of information. I am making a short film called DOWNFALL

My movie is based on a true story about myself, because as a scriptwriter, writing about real life experiences is the easiest way to start off. My guy Simon is frustrated being beaten up by a bully named Troy. So then he decides to take karate, after learning more and encountering Troy's sudden ambush, Simon is motivated right up to when the time is right. Troy finds him again, but Simon in this big fight scene shows Troy he is not weak anymore.

Troy tries to fight back, this makes Simon lose control. Simon hurts Troy even more and walks away in triumph. The next day Simon realises Troy's truth, while he sees Troy in a car he just smiles that Troy would not mess with him anymore. But then Troy's dad gets in a car, after looking at an inaudiable argument Simon witnesses his Dad punching him.

Knowing the horrible truth that Troy's dad made Troy grow up with such temp to hurt people, he apologises the next day. Then I walk out for the final shot smile

The above was the simplest synopsis, I HAVE written a script for this with 15 drafts. The final draft was assesset with professional script writers at the scripwriting course I went to. My friend just pointed me at the funding organization and I am ELIGIBLE biggrin

I need new stuff, camera (maybe with an attached mic), sounds, visionlab all sorts of stuff to start with. I will not buy a new mac, I will look at Vegas for the time being.
Posted: Wed, 29th Apr 2009, 10:02pm

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PLANB wrote:

I am ELIGIBLE biggrin
So technically you haven't won yet right?
Posted: Wed, 29th Apr 2009, 11:12pm

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Hey, MikeC! Welcome back!
Posted: Wed, 29th Apr 2009, 11:21pm

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Have you definately won the money? It's a sure thing?
Posted: Wed, 29th Apr 2009, 11:49pm

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PLANB wrote:

My guy Simon is frustrated being beaten up by a bully named Troy. So then he decides to take karate, after learning more and encountering Troy's sudden ambush, Simon is motivated right up to when the time is right. Troy finds him again, but Simon in this big fight scene shows Troy he is not weak anymore.

Troy tries to fight back, this makes Simon lose control. Simon hurts Troy even more and walks away in triumph. The next day Simon realises Troy's truth, while he sees Troy in a car he just smiles that Troy would not mess with him anymore. But then Troy's dad gets in a car, after looking at an inaudiable argument Simon witnesses his Dad punching him.

Knowing the horrible truth that Troy's dad made Troy grow up with such temp to hurt people, he apologises the next day.
This is the movie Never Back Down. Almost verbatim.
Posted: Thu, 30th Apr 2009, 12:00am

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Ben3308 wrote:

This is the movie Never Back Down. Almost verbatim.
Lol didn't notice that at first... good point, and good movie.
Posted: Thu, 30th Apr 2009, 5:05am

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Spend the $30,000 on a financial planner.
Posted: Thu, 30th Apr 2009, 9:43am

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So you guys think I ripped off never back down? You're wrong, I just reflected on my past real life experience. If you think I am making a movie rip off, take that somewhere else.
Posted: Thu, 30th Apr 2009, 10:01am

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Well dude, I think you've got way, way ahead of yourself man!

First off, your synopsis (other than being practically identical to NBD), is very confusing and not particularly engaging, nor well-written. You *should* be able to sum up a solid idea in a single line or two, yours seems overly complicated synopsis for an idea which is too simple for a feature-length film (and too cliché, to boot).

Aside from this, you won't get very far trying to make your film if you seriously think you can purchase equipment and stay on budget. $30k might seem like a lot when your only priority is which punch sound effects to purchase - but once you've factored in paying your actors, paying your crew, paying location fees, paying a composer, paying for catering and other necessities - you're not left with a great deal of money.

I also think you need to spend some time learning exactly what you'll need to make your film - you really think that using a camera with 'an attached mic' is going to give you acceptable sound quality?! I'm not doubting your ability to direct or anything, but I think that you're being very naive if you think that you'll be able to pull this kind of project off with your current level of experience - I mean, I don't know for sure, but from the things you're saying you're giving me an impression of someone who's still got a lot to learn.

Which leads me to the final point - don't set yourself up for a fall. You might be eligible for the funds, but it doesn't mean you're necessarily going to get them! I think you're letting yourself in for a big disappointment - like pdrg says, even if you're eligible for the funds, there's likely to be hundreds of other people also applying for funding - and without a sound proposition and financial planning, I doubt you'll see a penny of it. Sorry to be a downer, but I think it's better to be pragmatic and realistic rather than idealistic in this scenario. That said, I wish you the best of luck with your funding application.

Cheers,
Arktic,
Posted: Thu, 30th Apr 2009, 10:19am

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I rushed my snopsis as I posted 3 minutes before catching the bus smile Without proof, you may think I am just some fool saying that I can make movies. But I HAVE directed, edited, acted and done all sorts of film making things for only my eyes to see.

Fine, you think I won't get the $30k? I have a producer/camera woman friend that is giving me her gear and crew for free! She has free editing drop ins, sound effect packages and film conversions! I win either way!
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Your brave, I would be terrified to take the $30K, what happens if you spend the money and your movies a complete bust...

Cant wait to see you movie!
Posted: Thu, 30th Apr 2009, 1:48pm

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Arktic is spot on. +1

You're getting way ahead of yourself I'm afraid. I hate to rain on your parade, but I tend to look at the world in a more realistic manner.

Fact is, there is absolutely no possible way in hell that you are ever going to see any of that 30K without one of the best proposal/budgets that has ever been conceived of by a 15 year old. Awards and grants such as this are usually not designed to be given to teenagers. I'm not saying a teen has never won or deserved to win, but it is far from automatic as your are so brazenly assuming.

I'm not just being a Negative Nicholas. I would truly love to hear that you've won the 30K, but take this thing one step at a time. Right now, its time for you to sit down and write an astronomically amazing proposal.
Posted: Thu, 30th Apr 2009, 2:01pm

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PLANB wrote:

Without proof, you may think I am just some fool saying that I can make movies. But I HAVE directed, edited, acted and done all sorts of film making things for only my eyes to see.
I wish you a lot of luck on your new film. You should post some of your work, I'm sure you'll get an honest opinion on your work here at Fxhome, we all might even be able to learn a thing or two from you or vise versa.
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PLANB wrote:

So you guys think I ripped off never back down?
No, not directly, because Never Back Down had a lot more subtext.

The protagonist didn't just learn fighting techniques to get back at someone, he did it to contain his anger, latent from his father's passing in a car accident that he felt responsible for. This event, too, was a great catalyst in the movie for how people change and whether or not intervening is doing the right thing - evidenced later in the plot by the choices we see made by Djimon Hounsou. Combine this with all the other issues going on within the character - possible jealousy from his brother's success in tennis, frustration with his mother's pathetic lifestyle, confusion at his potential girlfriend's choices in friends - and you've got a winning movie.

Obviously, I love Never Back Down, and would not like to see it (or any less-than-sufficient iteration) be made. biggrin
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Hey, MikeC! Welcome back!
Who the hell is MikeC?
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SilverDragon7 wrote:

Who the hell is MikeC?
You have no idea....
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arguably the best thread in fxhome history...

Edit: Ahw, I thought it was the Vladkob one. Shame. But this one's also good. smile

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Wow, I can't believe I just read all 10 pages of that thread....

Anyways, PLANB, where did you apply for this money? I'm interested myself.
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Post some of your works on youtube or the Fxhome cinema. I'm sure many of us would like to see it.
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PLANB wrote:

Okay sorry for the lack of information. I am making a short film called DOWNFALL

My guy Simon is frustrated being beaten up by a bully named Troy. So then he decides to take karate, after learning more and encountering Troy's sudden ambush, Simon is motivated right up to when the time is right. Troy finds him again, but Simon in this big fight scene shows Troy he is not weak anymore.

Troy tries to fight back, this makes Simon lose control. Simon hurts Troy even more and walks away in triumph. The next day Simon realises Troy's truth, while he sees Troy in a car he just smiles that Troy would not mess with him anymore. But then Troy's dad gets in a car, after looking at an inaudiable argument Simon witnesses his Dad punching him.

Knowing the horrible truth that Troy's dad made Troy grow up with such temp to hurt people, he apologises the next day. Then I walk out for the final shot smile

WAIT A SECOND! I didn't even notice this before, This movie would probably last about 10 minutes...

(take no offence to anything said beyond this point)

Who in the world gives a kid $30,000 to make 10 minute short, because unless your going to make the karate learning montage hella long I dont see it getting past that. Again no offence, I just don't see the logic in this.
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I found some of your work PlanB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZfL8USgtE8&feature=channel_page
Now I can see why you were chosen to receive $30,000
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Viking wrote:

I found some of your work PlanB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZfL8USgtE8&feature=channel_page
Now I can see why you were chosen to receive $30,000
I suspect some sarcasm.
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Singwolf wrote:



I suspect some sarcasm.
You would be correct.
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Viking wrote:

Singwolf wrote:



I suspect some sarcasm.
You would be correct.
I would hope.
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Well he posted that video over a year ago... maybe he better? No way to know unless he posts some new material, cough cough, hint hint.
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Singwolf wrote:

Viking wrote:

I found some of your work PlanB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZfL8USgtE8&feature=channel_page
Now I can see why you were chosen to receive $30,000
I suspect some sarcasm.

Viking wrote:

You would be correct.
I can't really understand what's the point of this... He's a kid.. I suspect your movies are much worse than this, if you make any...Do you suspect some sarcasm now? cuz it's not.
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Look, I DO NOT have it yet but on the criteria I am ELIGIBLE so that's why I applied my stuff awaiting reply.

The new stuff I have done is highly confidential, my new movie DOWNFALL is pretty much filling in the gap. The script is much more vast then my lame 30 secound synopsis I wrote on here. There are more scenes and they are much longer. I wanted to enter this into the Tropfest but frank;y the estimated runtime is 15 minutes.
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PLANB wrote:

Look, I DO NOT have it yet but on the criteria I am ELIGIBLE so that's why I applied my stuff awaiting reply.

The new stuff I have done is highly confidential, my new movie DOWNFALL is pretty much filling in the gap. The script is much more vast then my lame 30 secound synopsis I wrote on here. There are more scenes and they are much longer. I wanted to enter this into the Tropfest but frank;y the estimated runtime is 15 minutes.
Ok ok, thats fine. Aside from everything said in the thread, I do hope you get the money. I'm also 15, and 30k sounds really nice.. really nice. Good luck with your film, hope it works out as planned.

-Troy
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mad eye123 wrote:

Singwolf wrote:

Viking wrote:

I found some of your work PlanB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZfL8USgtE8&feature=channel_page
Now I can see why you were chosen to receive $30,000
I suspect some sarcasm.

Viking wrote:

You would be correct.
I can't really understand what's the point of this... He's a kid.. I suspect your movies are much worse than this, if you make any...Do you suspect some sarcasm now? cuz it's not.
I'm not saying its bad. I'm his age too (15) and at this point I don't feel I need that much money. Maybe he does, maybe he does, aside from it. It would significantly help him.