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Family Values ...COMPLETED

Posted: Tue, 5th May 2009, 2:06pm

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davlin

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At last I've managed to finish this Poser animation movie. It's been like forever getting completed. I've aged a couple of years since I started this "mini movie". smile

This is my homage to the movie Sin City and Frank Millers graphic novels.
I would like to personally thank S.Michael Leier,Brent Bowers,Brian Lowder,David Allen and Cory for their fantastic voice work.

I really hope you enjoy this little movie.


Dave


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Posted: Mon, 27th Jul 2009, 10:08pm

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This looked like a great deal of work and every bit of it showed. Amazing. Technically perfect. Loved the rain effect and other subtle "extras" that set the mood and brought the animation to life. Story was perfect; good Sin City spin off. Music, dialog and sound effects Dead on- excuse the pun. I can tell you loved the subject matter. Really good job.
Posted: Mon, 27th Jul 2009, 11:50pm

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FXhomertony...Many thanks for taking time to view "Family Values" and
yes it was a struggle to get it done....nearly gave up a couple of times.
So glad you liked it and thanks again for kind words.

Dave

If other peeps don't have the time to download there is a youtube version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBCF-RT4HXA
Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2009, 4:40pm

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Great job on this movie. I know you put a ton of work into it and I know how frustrating animating in Poser can be, so I'm glad you stuck it out. The voiceovers were generally really good, especially the main character. There were times where the voice did not match the locatation but other than that it was great. And that goes for the writing as well. You hit the mark you were going for. The movie evoked the Sin City look and feel perfectly. I was entertained. Great job!
Posted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009, 9:43am

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Thanks Ferral glad you liked it and thanks for taking the time to comment and vote.
It's also nice to see you on the forum again after all the great movies you've done eg the Poser animation....Punisher the Forever War..
http://fxhome.com/cinema/view/619/punisher%3A-the-forever-war

and your non-animation war film...The Last Days
http://fxhome.com/cinema/view/1873/the-last-days

Get off your butt and get some movies done biggrin

best
Dave

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Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009, 3:22am

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This has been incredibly produced stuff, Dav, and I'm looking forward to this final movie - I'm on slow internet now, so it's not loading 100% for me.

Still, looks like it'll be awesome. Very stylish!
Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009, 3:24pm

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I was really impressed with the overal style and anmation employeed in this project. Now, let's put your skills to good use to my my zombie movie. smile

Regards,
Brent
Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009, 5:30pm

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Pushing the limits of what Poser can accomplish. Awesome work Dave!!!
Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2009, 12:56pm

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Great piece of work. Your poser-skills and storytelling is improving with every project you do. Atmosphere is very good here - no 'dead' moments - nice special effects.. a nicely done finished project.
Please don't enjoy the freetime - go and make some more !!!!

WaveX
Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2009, 3:45pm

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I was basing my earlier comments on the very professionaly packaged DVD you sent me. I just watched the FXHome version and noticed that the audio mix is greatly improved.

I really do have to commend you on the overall style which really seemed to fit into the Frank Miller world. I think finishing such a project so true to the authors original work using primarily Poser, which many folks consider to be beneath them when it comes to animated projects such as yours, really speaks to your dedication and artistry. I sincerely cannot think of a single Poser animated film that is so ambitious. I've seen little clips here or there that might have better lighting with shaders or what-have-you, but nothing so complete that tells a story. I'm just really so impressed by this.

Thanks again for giving me a chance to contribute a voice to such a unique project.

Regards,
Brent Bowers
Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2009, 7:12pm

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As you know, I have already reviewed your great video earlier- I just wanted to congradulate you on being top pick today. It is well deserved!
Posted: Fri, 7th Aug 2009, 12:54pm

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Hi Tony
Thanks for your kind words and for giving me 5 stars , no small sacrifice when in the same top ten,..very much appreciated .
I look forward to looking at your "War of the Worlds" when completed.


Goodluck

Dave
Posted: Fri, 7th Aug 2009, 9:22pm

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thanks Glenn
I'm glad you liked the vid.and also for taking the time to comment and vote.


Dave




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Posted: Sat, 8th Aug 2009, 2:32pm

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nice job man, keep it up!
Posted: Sat, 8th Aug 2009, 10:41pm

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Hi Nemesis2161

I'm really pleased you liked the movie...Thanks for your time ,effort and support.

Dave

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Posted: Sun, 9th Aug 2009, 2:10pm

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very well done considering how complex it is to get poser to animate characters correctly as long as they must do someting harder than walking i also liked the overal look, keep on the good work
Posted: Tue, 11th Aug 2009, 10:04am

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Hi cgirolet

Many thanks to you for taking the time to watch and comment.It really is rewarding when people appreciate your work.It was a long job and I thought it would never end and there is still room for improvement.
I'm so glad you liked though.

Thanks again


Dave

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Posted: Wed, 12th Aug 2009, 7:14am

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I finally got the chance to check this out (I hadn't downloaded the file all the way, so it wasn't playing properly for a while) and I really, really like it. Even the rougher bits, like the sound mix, still have the obvious high-concept ideas behind them - the creativity here really shows.

Some zooms and camera movements could have more organic keyframing, but this isn't a huge deal in the large scheme of things. The performances, pacing, editing, and, as I said, high-concept ideas are, in the best way possible, very directorially creative and on-cue. There's a real..........'feel' of the Sin City style, and solid execution makes it better. From the first few seconds, we can tell we aren't watching some crappy amateur effort - there's clear time and attention to detail put in here.

As aforementioned, the audio mix isn't the best. However, because you've (from what I can gather) got a variety of sources from a variety of locations, I understand there's not a lot you can do about this.

I'm giving this a 5/5 because the vision in it reminds me of the storytelling I would like to practically get back to. Great work.
Posted: Wed, 12th Aug 2009, 7:32pm

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Hi Ben
Thanks for taking the time and effort to view , vote and comment.
I really look forward to your comments ,staight to the point and very perceptive.
You caught me out on a few excellent points eg. sound...I usually apply it with a heavy duty shovel...hehe but you're right some tracks had no options left open for me , still no excuse for heavy handed application.

Thanks again Ben

Dave

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Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2009, 3:39pm

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I've worked with poser and still mess around with it, anyone that can keep a poser model from spinning around and getting tied up is worth a good score.

Subject matter not my style, so sound issues as mentioned above.
But as a complete short film done in poser it's excellent.

What's next for the new king of poser?
Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2009, 5:57pm

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many thanks for your remarks and vote....glad you liked it though not your style of movie.
My next movie is about Dolls....mmmmm I wonder.... biggrin


Dave

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Posted: Sat, 15th Aug 2009, 10:06pm

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Hi Dave, I really liked this, the focus on story is apparent, honest, and refreshing, and more than compensates for any rough edges that exist in the animation and sound.

You stay true to the tone of both the comics and the film, while managing to treat the story in your own way.

The main thing that appealed to me when I was watching this is that you have taken a story that you like and that inspires you, adapted it, and made it into a film because you wanted to. I don't know if that makes sense as a compliment, but I think it's really great.

So, I'm giving this a 4 out of 5 because I enjoyed it, and I admire the honesty of your approach.

All the best,
Max
Posted: Tue, 18th Aug 2009, 3:34pm

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Hi Max

Thanks for viewing my efforts and giving such an excellent write-up.

The response the vid has received from you guys has made the couple
years of struggle well worth while and me very happy.

Thanks again Max...it was a great post.

Dave

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Posted: Tue, 25th Aug 2009, 3:32pm

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Finally got the time to watch it. REally nice job with the 3D dalvin. REally great. For the story i can really tell because i didn't like the sin city movie... Not my type. But i love the job you done with it.

Shadu
Posted: Tue, 25th Aug 2009, 7:17pm

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I'm sorry for the vast delay, school has started hence I'm currently drowning in work.

Sooooo! I finally had a chance to watch this. First of all, congratulations to what surely was a hell of a lot of work! Doing an entire film in 3D, even if it's Poser, is surely a great feat!

You did quite nicely capture the feel and look of Sin City (though I have to admit, i found the movie incredibly boring to watch, so don't hate me if that's not only a compliment) and I really liked the voicetalents you got yourself!
Also, the choice of angles was very good and some of them were even fantastic and felt like proper cinema.

The story itself had a nice ending twist and wasn't too long, other then the big sin city movie. smile


The animation varied between fantastic and good, with a few little glitches into not so good, but really few. And I'm being nitpicking here since I know how difficult 3D animation is, even in Poser.


So congrats on a great achievement worthy of being proud of!
Posted: Tue, 25th Aug 2009, 7:43pm

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davlin

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Marco

Many thanks for finding the time to view and to comment.
I cannot tell you how pleased I am that your review was such a joy to read.
I can sleep at night now... biggrin
I really did'nt know what expect from you on this movie as I know you are not realy a Poser fan (btw that's two of us..hehe) but you are an honest soul ...and I was hoping that you would appreciate it.

So many thanks for your very kind remarks,it might take a while to take this grin off my face, perhaps a couple of kilo's of lemons. razz

Best

Dave
Posted: Tue, 25th Aug 2009, 9:56pm

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Hi Dave, glad you enjoyed my comments, you did a really great job. I got your PM by the way, thanks very much.
All the best
Max
Posted: Wed, 26th Aug 2009, 6:27am

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I will get around to a full write-up for this soon, Dave, I promise. Don't think I've forgotten! smile

But for now....

The usual stuff, really. This is excellent- technically pretty sound and visually cutting-edge and impressive. Pulled together in the vein of the noir storytelling, this movie most-majorly succeeds in the way it kind of effortlessly plays to its style.

We've got an attention to color, angle, music, and overall orchestration- and all play together in a way that is just, despite some rough edges, a harmonious combination.

Congrats, man. You made a solid, cool, fun film. Keep it up!
Posted: Wed, 26th Aug 2009, 6:45pm

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Hi Atom
Thank you so much for finding time to write a comment.
I'm really delighted that you liked my vid and your comments mean a lot to me. I've always admired your reviews with the no nonsense but always fair and helpful approach. So you can understand my trepidation when first starting to read it. biggrin

Thanks again


Dave
Posted: Thu, 27th Aug 2009, 9:05am

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davlin

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Hi peeps

I would like to personally thank all of you members who took the time to watch , vote and comment on my "Family Values".
I have been extremely pleased with the general reaction to the movie and in some cases very pleasantly surprised ,of course , this not only boosts my ego but my confidence as well.
A personal thank you to Tarn for re-submitting this as it got kinda lost
a few months ago which I'm sure was a fault on my part.

Thank you all.

Dave