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Terminator Salvation 4 minute Trailer

Posted: Sat, 9th May 2009, 8:39pm

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From this new trailer all I can say is this movie is gonna be awesome. I thought there wouldn't be that much action but there's plenty in this, so I'll definitely see it. What do you all think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRizxToiiT4
Posted: Sat, 9th May 2009, 9:15pm

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Pretty bad-ass!!! biggrin
Posted: Sat, 9th May 2009, 9:54pm

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Not as good as the last one, and it had way too much exposition in for my liking, but I'm still absolutely stoked for this movie... more so than Transformers 2.

I can only gather (or at least hope) that there are plenty of surprises plot wise being kept in store for this film. I can't believe they'd reveal this much of the story already without having something interesting kept aside for when people see it.

Still I can't wait to see this... and as far as I'm concerned it's already won the award for "brownest film of the year."
Posted: Sat, 9th May 2009, 10:57pm

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I've always been fan of the whole Terminator concept. I've recently gone through the three first films, and are watching up as far as the Sarah Connor series goes at the moment.

There's two things I personally expect of this movie though.

If you watch the first terminator film, and then Terminator: Judgement Day, you will see T2 refers back to the first film a lot. I hope for this film, the scriptwriters, to have been somewhat working with the writers of Sarah Connor chronicles, and have them sort of... Synced? I don't want it to fall into the "Smallville-trap", telling it's own story compared to the other shows made before it. I hope you know the point I'm trying to express.

To me it's all about the back and forth time, each action changes everything concept. Finding the right actions to put a stop for Skynet.
I just hope they remember to stick to that, I don't want to walk into something simple as "Man kills robots, robot kills men, man meets friendly-robot with it's own agenda, having to fight together to kill more robots" stuff. I don't know, I just hope they surprise me somehow storywise. This 4-minute trailer didn't really interest me as much as the previous ones, as it was all.. Action.. Bang.. Boom. Action. "I'm the only hope you've got" Boom boom...


Oh and of course I guess the trailer disappointed me because it had mostly "hollywood-trailer" styleish music. I would have loved some recognizeable terminator-ish music during it. Except for the titles at the end of course. Only an idiot wouldn't include the classic "Terminator drum rythm" at that point biggrin



EDIT:
There's something I don't understand.

If I'm not mistaken, the previous films was all about.. In the future, humans are starting to win the war, because of John Connor. So the terminators send an assassin type back in time to kill Sarah/John while they're still helpless. That means this film is before the other films timeline-wise, right? The terminators haven't sent an assassin back in time yet? Because humans ain't winning yet?

Second: Related to first question. Connor says "They are replicating human tissue." while during the last three films + the tv show, the terminators already have human tissue even with blood?

So this means Terminator: Salvation is somewhere after Judgement Day but before Terminator 1? Or something? Or is it just the sleepyness at 1 a.m. hitting me hard? sleep

EDIT again:

I read around...

the TV series is set in an alternate timeline, which means the timeline of Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines is not "ceasing" to exist, but it has never occurred from the TV series point of view. The pilot of the show begins four years after the events of Terminator 2: Judgment Day.

May answer a bit.
Posted: Sun, 10th May 2009, 12:23am

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I don't think it's revealing to much because I still can't figure out when the stuff takes place in the movie. I saw the ten minutes preview and I still can't figure it out.

So I really don't think I'm seeing too much, and since they decided to release all that can only mean that there's more.

From my analysis lol I think Terminator will have the best story, Transformers will have the best action, and Star Treck will have a little of both. But I could be wrong smile
Posted: Sun, 10th May 2009, 1:14am

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I've been trying to avoid watching trailers for this movie so I can just go in fresh when it's out, but I saw the trailer last night in front of Star Trek, and it looks like it's shaping up to be pretty amazing. Looks much more exciting and interesting than Terminator 3. Judgement Day is a classic action film, and I don't expect it to be as good as that, but I bet it comes pretty close.
Posted: Sun, 10th May 2009, 2:54am

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Yeah, the show follows an alternate timeline after T2. It doesn't have anything to do with T3 or T4. Although the show's season 2 finale was a cliffhanger (and very not meant to be the series finale), it does, kind of coincidentally, provide a good lead-in to the new movie, with young John being thrust into a future and being found by the resistance. As great as this movie looks, I'd much rather see the show continue.
Posted: Sun, 10th May 2009, 5:18am

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I love, no sarcasm intended, how once Star Trek decided to come out at 7pm the Thursday before its official release, not midnight, that all summer movies are doing that now- as the trailer notes with the voiceover 'Thursday, May 21st'. Used to be the 22nd.

Same thing happened back in 2004. Shrek 2 changed to a Wednesday opening and Spiderman 2 and a few others did the same right after it.

Can't wait, either way. Love McG, love Terminator, love Common, Christian Bale, Anton Yelchin, and Bryce Dallas Howard. Being a T2 purist, I'd like to find something wrong with this movie, but I'll its given me are increasingly more amazing/terrific trailers and clips.

Looks to be an excellent movie, just like Star Trek. Gonna be a great summer for big movies, I think.
Posted: Sun, 10th May 2009, 6:12am

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Best moment in this trailer: "Come with me if you want to live." Supreme win! smile

I doubt that this will be as good as 'Star Trek', but I'm still very excited. All of the footage they've released has been impressive.
Posted: Sun, 10th May 2009, 6:50am

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Best part? Pffft. No, the best/most-hilariously-angry-sounding line, which Ben sadly says all the time in an overly-characterized super-serious tone as a joke, is "WHAT ARE YOU?!?!?!?"
Posted: Sun, 10th May 2009, 7:32am

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Hm, that keeps looking more and more promising. It certainly seems to nail the feel and pace of camerons Terminator movies and hopefully does something interesting storywise.

If it's any better then Terminator 3, I'm happy. If it's as good as Terminator 2, I'll be in heaven. Though I doubt that's possible today.
Posted: Sun, 10th May 2009, 10:48pm

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After seeing the more recent transformers trailers, then seeing the Terminator trailers, I'm definitely more interested in Terminator.
Posted: Mon, 11th May 2009, 1:31am

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Sollthar wrote:

If it's any better then Terminator 3, I'm happy. If it's as good as Terminator 2, I'll be in heaven. Though I doubt that's possible today.
Dear god, man, if this is worse than T3, I'll be depressed for six months.

If this is somehow better than T2, though, I would expect world peace to follow soon after.
Posted: Mon, 11th May 2009, 6:24am

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pooky wrote:

If this is somehow better than T2, though, I would expect world peace to follow soon after.
Hehehehe, indeed.

I'd say T2 had a lot going for it at the time it came out that is hardly repeatable nowadays. T2 revolutionized filmmaking and filmproduction in a lot of ways and presented a lot people have never seen on screen before, packed in a fantastic story. No surprise it made filmhistory.
And that's a pretty much impossible legacy to follow up. But yeah, doing better then T3 should indeed be very possible.
Posted: Mon, 11th May 2009, 9:19am

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My main concern is that I seem to know everything about the T4 story already. The movie's just going to feel like an extended version of the trailer... unsure

Also, the 'come with me if you want to live' line is the worst thing in the trailer. So forced and stupid.
Posted: Mon, 11th May 2009, 3:38pm

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Tarn wrote:


Also, the 'come with me if you want to live' line is the worst thing in the trailer. So forced and stupid.
Very true.
Posted: Mon, 11th May 2009, 4:36pm

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Bryce007 wrote:

Tarn wrote:


Also, the 'come with me if you want to live' line is the worst thing in the trailer. So forced and stupid.
Very true.
You never know, they might turn it around and have them both killed just after he says that line...

...now that would be a good twist smile
Posted: Tue, 12th May 2009, 8:10am

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Although I just realised that (I think) the kid saying that line is actually a young Kyle Reese. In which case it does kinda make sense, if that's just a catchphrase he always says to people.

Still, I think it was unwise to ram it into the trailer out of context.
Posted: Tue, 12th May 2009, 6:55pm

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's Kyle Reese, played by Anton Yelchin. I suspect he'll be a much better Kyle Reese than he is a Pavel Chekov. And I don't have a problem with it, seeing as it is a catchphrase used in the movies and the show. However, it does seem forced into the trailer. I think I'm more fond of the new phrase from the last few episodes of the show: "Will you join us?"

Overall though, this movie is looking better and better. But I'm not sure it was very smart to reveal in the trailers that Marcus is a terminator.
Posted: Tue, 12th May 2009, 8:18pm

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I won't mind knowing he's a terminator before the movie comes out as long as there's more to it. Which there is. Plus, it's not like people wouldn't know anyways. Just like everyone knew Rachel died in The Dark Knight.
Posted: Wed, 13th May 2009, 7:28am

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Rachel dies in The Dark Knight?????? Thanks for ruining it for me!!!!!!
Posted: Wed, 13th May 2009, 8:32am

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RodyPolis wrote:

I won't mind knowing he's a terminator before the movie comes out as long as there's more to it. Which there is. Plus, it's not like people wouldn't know anyways. Just like everyone knew Rachel died in The Dark Knight.
I didn't know she died before seeing it. Also, the official trailers didn't reveal it.

There's a big difference between reading rumours/spoilers on the Internet and the official marketing the film itself revealing a big twist.
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I wouldn't say that Marcus Wright's identity as a Terminator is a big twist, judging by the short clips I've seen (including the trailers). It seems to me that he's discovered early on, and it sets up the most hidden part of the movie: What happens when they go after Skynet to Rescue Kyle Reese. We haven't even seen Helena Bonham Carter's role as the antagonist, yet, in any of the promo materials. I'd hazard a guess that this hidden portion should have plenty of surprises, and Marcus Wright is just a guy we need to be on board with from the get-go.

But that's my optimism talkin', and who needs such a thing?
Posted: Wed, 13th May 2009, 9:29am

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No, he isn't discovered early on. McG pretty openly stated that he was at a crossroads with the trailer before they released it- as he thought it was excellent and gave a great feel of the movie, but gave away the hook/twist of the movie.

I think we'll all agree, the trailer (the second NIN one) is pretty fantastic. It's a shortchange of getting the hook and wanting to see the movie versus spoiling plot points.

Me, I'm somewhat glad it was done- made me want to see the movie; a movie I might've otherwise skipped. And I think that was the intention. McG did this before, too, albeit in a movie with more obvious twists. In the second trailer for Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle he reveals the villain is Demi Moore. But in the movie, this is a twist saved for the end. And, however predictable or silly it might've been, it was spoiled completely in the trailers.

The fact that you don't think they'd spoil a big twist in the promotional material doesn't make it a fact that it wasn't a big twist; if you know what I'm saying.

Marcus being a Terminator was supposed to be a big twist. Pretty obvious, as all the plot outline material before this revelation in the second trailer said 'John Connor's destiny is sidetracked and put into question when rebels begin following a mysterious new leader named Marcus.'

I'm guessing, not spoiling, that Marcus' influence as a new leader is his job as a machine to 'terminate' John Connor's future as the commander. This seems all too spoiled in the trailers.

There's a great article with McG on the movie by Esquire that you can find here.
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Regardless of when it is revealed, there is still a large section of material that we know little about. My conception of Marcus not being a twist comes from about 12 minutes of clips, in addition to the trailers, and he really comes off as a set-up or foreshadowing for the action that we don't see. If he was intended to surprise the audience, like the T-1000 in 'T2', it's a shame they didn't keep it under wraps. Still, my overall point is, I don't think it's cause for alarm. There's still plot we don't quite know about.
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The Strider wrote:

We haven't even seen Helena Bonham Carter's role as the antagonist, yet, in any of the promo materials.
who said she was the antagonist?
Posted: Wed, 13th May 2009, 11:10pm

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RodyPolis wrote:

The Strider wrote:

We haven't even seen Helena Bonham Carter's role as the antagonist, yet, in any of the promo materials.
who said she was the antagonist?
She is.
Posted: Thu, 14th May 2009, 2:27am

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waas it supposed to be out in the open or a twist? most likely a twist cause skynet is supposed to be the antagonist.

Since i don't know what she looks like i hope there's still a little surprise.
EDIT: put a spoiler alert next time
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Here's a little irony: It appears that Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles has been canceled... in the same week that Terminator Salvation opens. Unsurprising, yet bizarre and disappointing. You'd think they could use the movie to the show's advantage, but instead they've renewed Joss Whedon's cheaper, but worse-rated (and inferior) Dollhouse. TSCC was currently one of the best shows on television. In fact, at its best, it's better than...dare I say it... all the movies. razz It's unfortunate it had to end on such a great cliffhanger, although I guess it kind of does serve as a good lead-in to the movie.
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jawajohnny wrote:

Here's a little irony: It appears that Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles has been canceled... in the same week that Terminator Salvation opens. Unsurprising, yet bizarre and disappointing. You'd think they could use the movie to the show's advantage, but instead they've renewed Joss Whedon's cheaper, but worse-rated (and inferior) Dollhouse. TSCC was currently one of the best shows on television. In fact, at its best, it's better than...dare I say it... all the movies. razz It's unfortunate it had to end on such a great cliffhanger, although I guess it kind of does serve as a good lead-in to the movie.
bringing up a old top, eh biggrin
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awesome fist productions wrote:

bringing up a old top, eh biggrin
No, not at all. unsure Last post was just a couple days ago, and what I just posted is relevant.
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RodyPolis wrote:

waas it supposed to be out in the open or a twist? most likely a twist cause skynet is supposed to be the antagonist.

Since i don't know what she looks like i hope there's still a little surprise.
EDIT: put a spoiler alert next time
'Tain't a spoiler, my friend. 'Tis a well known fact, though Skynet is the overarching series antagonist, she is the primary one in this installment. You can find this out pretty much anywhere, including the official synopsis, if I remember correctly.
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jawajohnny wrote:

Here's a little irony: It appears that Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles has been canceled... in the same week that Terminator Salvation opens. Unsurprising, yet bizarre and disappointing. You'd think they could use the movie to the show's advantage, but instead they've renewed Joss Whedon's cheaper, but worse-rated (and inferior) Dollhouse.
Not seen Dollhouse yet (starts tonight in the UK), but given that it's Joss Whedon I imagine it has considerably more promise in the long-term than SCC.

TSCC was currently one of the best shows on television. In fact, at its best, it's better than...dare I say it... all the movies.
What?

I really liked the show, but that's a blatantly silly comment.
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Get ready for disappointment then, Tarn. To quote a good friend of mine:

"Dollhouse? Oh, what's it about? I'll tell you when I stop laughing at how ridiculous the premise is, cringing at how horrible the acting is, and being angry at how flat-out dumb the whole show is."

I laughed when he said this and thought, wow, it can't possibly be that bad. But..........it is. And what's worse, it makes Eliza Dushku look bad; which no one likes. smile
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Atom wrote:

Get ready for disappointment then, Tarn. To quote a good friend of mine:

"Dollhouse? Oh, what's it about? I'll tell you when I stop laughing at how ridiculous the premise is, cringing at how horrible the acting is, and being angry at how flat-out dumb the whole show is."
Yeah, people said all that about Buffy, too. 'Nuff said.

I laughed when he said this and thought, wow, it can't possibly be that bad. But..........it is. And what's worse, it makes Eliza Dushku look bad; which no one likes. smile
From what I've heard, the first 6-or-so episodes were pretty mangled by the whims of Fox, but that a little way in you catch a glimpse of what the show should and could be about. Now that's got a second season I'm hoping they can explore that.

I may well be disappointed, but I've learned with Whedon to not judge too quickly as things aren't always as they appear.
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Damned Fox!!! wall
I liked TTSCC. Son of a bee-otch!!!
What in all that is true and good in this world would make them cancel that show? Damned idiots.

I've seen all the Dollhouse episodes and I don't think they're anywhere near as good as any of the TTSCC episodes. Doolhouse isn't bad but it sure aint great either.
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Tarn wrote:

Not seen Dollhouse yet (starts tonight in the UK), but given that it's Joss Whedon I imagine it has considerably more promise in the long-term than SCC.
Yeah, considering it's Joss Whedon (Firefly is my favorite show), I was expecting a lot more. But it is really bad. I didn't even stay past the first couple episodes. I have heard the last couple of episodes did show promise, but I still think the last few episodes of Terminator are the best episodes of any show I've seen. Yes, you're right Tarn, Dollhouse does have promise, but right now, it's pretty terrible. It's no Firefly or Buffy.

From what I'm gathering, the reason for the Dollhouse renewal and TSCC cancellation is this: Whedon convinced Fox he could shoot the show for dirt cheap... for way less than the first season. It's a Fox-funded show, so they get all the profits, whereas TSCC was produced by Warner Brothers. So even though TSCC is better in terms of quality and ratings, Dollhouse is less of a risk for Fox. What I don't get is that they're saying they gave TSCC a fair chance with "consistent scheduling", which it didn't get at all.

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What?

I really liked the show, but that's a blatantly silly comment.
Just my personal taste I guess. Don't get me wrong, the first two movies are excellent, but I think the show beats it in every aspect except for action. Acting for example: I think Lena Headey is a better Sarah Connor than Linda Hamilton, and Thomas Dekker is the best John Connor yet (we obviously can't compare him to Bale). Summer Glau's character is outstanding- so much depth there. Brian Austin Green, Garrett Dillahunt, and Richard T. Jones are all awesome as well. So to sum it up, the reason why I think it's better than the movies is because of where they've taken the characters. The Sarah/John relationship and the John/Cameron relationships are really well done.

There was so much stuff that still had to be resolved. What the heck is John Henry? What are Cameron's true motives, and where is she (her chip) now? In the long run, this show has way more potential than Dollhouse. Especially after the season finale, with John time-traveling to the future, and meeting Derek (again), Kyle, and Allison.

EDIT: I've heard that the producers have talked to Summer Glau about being in future movies. I think that would be a great move if SyFy doesn't pick up TSCC, although I'm not sure it would fit. I'm pretty sure that Bale's John Connor is not what the show's creators had in mind. There's definitely something fishy going on with the show's future John.
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Going back to the movie, Harry Knowles of AICN has seen it and has twittered a little regarding his opinion.

Note: the language ain't pretty.

http://twitter.com/headgeek666

Not sounding good!
Posted: Tue, 19th May 2009, 3:40pm

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Harry Knowles is a douche. He sat in the front row at the screening of The Dark Knight that I saw, and he just sat there - in a wheelchair, might I add, because he's so disgustingly overweight - scribbling notes excitedly before the movie even came on.

He's one of the most incredibly biased 'reporters' or 'critics' I've ever seen - do you remember his thoughts on Attack of the Clones? He loved it. And this guy, despite attempts to be impartial, has had it out for McG from day one. I'm not saying that the movie isn't bad, just that Knowles is a bad reviewer. That being said, I do respect AICN for a lot of what they do, and realize fully that my original comment was very ad hominem. biggrin

EDIT:
Also just checked, this guy gave 'Twilight' a 10/10....
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Yeah, he's insanely biased, but that's why I like him, really. He doesn't pretend to impartiality and objective knowledge like 'proper' critics.

Anyway, it's just one opinion, but it's not a good one. Be interesting to see what the word is as more come in over the next couple of days.

As far the 10/10 for Twilight, where'd you get that from? I don't recall Knowles giving movies ratings.
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It was a passing comment on a non-Twilight thread, like "well let's just say ten out of f$%$ing ten". After that, I sort of stopped reading. biggrin

That, and the guy looking, in person, like he's gonna break in the floor of the theater. I'm not usually one of 'those people', the kind who berate Roger Ebert for being a mute, but in terms of Harry Knowles........don't get me started! wink
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Ebert's a mute? I didn't know that.

Probably beacuse Ebert being a mute is about as relevant to his movie opinion as Knowles' enormous size.
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Ebert has had some form of jaw/throat/lymph node cancer in the past few years and many portions of his lower chin and neck sadly had to be moved- leaving his jaw immovable. This has since got worse and he's alluded to never doing on-camera stuff again as he's gotten even weaker from it and can't produce speech any more. He said it was likely he'd remain mute like this the rest of his life.

He's still a ridiculously optimistic person, thou,and continues to write multiple reviews and answer to reviews on a daily basis. Harry Knowled- I've seen him in passing. Yeah, I have Absolutely no sympathy/empathy for the man. Terrible person, terrible reviewer.
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I don't care about Knowles review... I care about the consensus. It's still quite early, but it isn't looking too great:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/terminator_salvation/

There seem to be two opinions: 1. That the effects are great, but the story/characters just aren't there. 2. That the story/characters are there... etc. Everyone seems to agree on appraisal for Sam Worthington though.
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It's still pretty early for RT to mean anything, not that it means anything to me to begin with. I don't consider RT a valid rating system. It's just bullcrap after bullcrap. Which is why I stick to IMDB and Yahoo Movies for this kinda stuff, cause I seem to agree with them most of the time.
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RodyPolis wrote:

It's still pretty early for RT to mean anything, not that it means anything to me to begin with. I don't consider RT a valid rating system. It's just bullcrap after bullcrap. Which is why I stick to IMDB and Yahoo Movies for this kinda stuff, cause I seem to agree with them most of the time.
I find RT to be quite useful. All the reviews posted in one place, categorized as "positive" or "negative" reviews, along with an average rating out of 10. It's very useful for finding the general critical reception a movie gets. IMDB on the other hand, is not useful at all, because anyone with an account can vote and/or post their opinions. There are so many "fanboys" and trolls on there that can "distort" the real image of a movie. Remember last summer, all the TDK fanboys decided to rate "The Godfather" as a 1/10, in order to propel TDK to #1 on the top 250.
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Ya that's what I hate about it. The whole 'positive' and 'negative' categorization. Everything isn't black and white and I just hate the fact that it's either good or bad. I don't find that much helpful.

Yes Imdb is full of trolls. Just the other day there was a thread on the TS board telling everyone they should give the movie a 1 cause it's PG-13 or some crap like that. But in the end, the ratings are accurate. Even more so on Yahoo Movies(the users part, the critics part is BS)
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Ah, I see what you mean about the "positive" versus "negative" thing, because the RT staff gets to choose the label they put on the reviews. While I think that's important, the ultimate statistic on there is the average rating. It's the same concept as IMDB, but only the critics can vote.
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And the critics aren't the average person. Not everyone goes to a movie to analyze it, most people go to have a good time, and most critics aren't about good times. I've seen horrible reviews for some movies I love, that's when I decided not to bother much with most critics.

One reason everyone loves Roger Ebert.
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You stick to IMDb and Yahoo Movies? I don't really know what to say to you. I think Rotten Tomatoes is really good because it gives a general idea of what a majority feels in a very pass-fail way. And it's really rather decently reliable.

Secondly, I always check Roger Ebert, and I would suggest doing something similar. His tastes and views, for the most part, align with mine and so I know I can generally count on his opinion to guide whether I see a movie or not. I'd find an acclaimed critic that has similar tastes and opinions to your own- and look for his column on movies you want to see.

But don't discount RT, especially for IMDb or Yahoo Movies. Both will take the opinions and consensus of just anyone who writes- which would sound better than worse, but both of those sites are overrun by nasty-talking people who all either vote a 10/10 or a 0/10 just to see whatever movie they love/hate move up or down a point. There's no reliability, there's no depth to their opinions, and it's generally all laden in trash-talking 14-year-olds, ratings-angry Christian-evangelists, and snarky and smug 35-year-old fanboys.
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I don't if you misunderstood my post, I meant that I love Roger Ebert cause he isn't as stuck up as most critics.

I don't have a problem with anything you just said really, but I will stick to yahoo movies and IMDB for now. Like I said, they're the two I feel compatible with most of the time.
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Are you talking about Yahoo Movies top critics and IMDb's single review, or the community charts and reviews? Because if it's the latter, I'm sorry, but I really couldn't think of a worse place to get an opinion from.
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The only critics I tend to pay attention to are those in Empire and Total Film magazines. Even then I take it with a pinch of salt.

Generally I prefer to gauge general fan opinion via sites like AICN, twitter etc.

The idea of ratings for entertainment reviews has always pissed me off, so Rotten Tomatoes is a bit of an anathema to me.


On another note, saw the first episode of Dollhouse on UK TV last night and really enjoyed it. Really interesting and highly dubious morality. Based on the first episode I'll certainly be watching more.
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I'm sorry Tarn.....but REALLY???? You liked the pilot of Dollhouse? I found it to be really silly, preposterous, laughably overserious, and rigidly overacted. It gets slightly better from there......I guess.......but I've still found it to generally be sub-par mediocrity, especially given the talent involved.
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Atom wrote:

I'm sorry Tarn.....but REALLY???? You liked the pilot of Dollhouse?
Um...yes. smile

It wasn't amazing, but the premise is interesting, the moral greyness is potentially fascinating (depends what they do with it) and it was generally entertaining. In terms of the cast I really liked The Guy From The Matrix and Helo From BSG. Eliza Dushku I'm not convinced about yet.

Either way, it was an entertaining and generally satisfactory way to spend 45 minutes and I'm looking forward to how it develops.

I found it to be really silly,
A lot of great sci-fi and fantasy is very silly. That's part of its charm. Often the more extreme the concept the longer it takes to settle into it - both for the creators and for the viewers.

To go back to Buffy, I caught a few episodes when it first came on and thought it was godawful. Silly, preposterous, bizarre acting etc. It was only in the second season that I 'got' the joke.

preposterous,
Again, it's sci-fi. The point of the show (based on this first episode only) isn't the likelihood of the science but the impact it has on the characters. It's exploring the nature of self.

Sometimes to explore 'big' themes you have to first puncture them with something that is initially preposterous. It's a way into unusual stories that you simply can't do through standard, non-genre drama. Star Trek's been doing this for decades.

laughably overserious,
Hm, from the first episode it seemed quite witty and amusing. Sure, it had a paedophile/kidnapping plot and lots of disturbing morality bubbling away, but the dialogue and general style was quite playful, I thought.

and rigidly overacted.
I'm not sold on the cast yet, agreed. Will wait and see though, as I've only ever really seen a couple of shows in which the writers and cast get it all perfect right from the start (Firefly and The Wire). Even shows that I've gone on to adore have often taken a season or two to figure themselves out.

Given that these opening episodes of Dollhouse are the ones Fox messed with the most, I'm looking forward to the proper Whedon ones later on.

It's nothing special so far, but it's good enough to entertain me and find out what happens next.
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The Strider wrote:

I wouldn't say that Marcus Wright's identity as a Terminator is a big twist, judging by the short clips I've seen (including the trailers). It seems to me that he's discovered early on, and it sets up the most hidden part of the movie: What happens when they go after Skynet to Rescue Kyle Reese. We haven't even seen Helena Bonham Carter's role as the antagonist, yet, in any of the promo materials. I'd hazard a guess that this hidden portion should have plenty of surprises, and Marcus Wright is just a guy we need to be on board with from the get-go.

But that's my optimism talkin', and who needs such a thing?
Dude, you made me go in the movie thinking Skynet was control by Helena Bonham Carter or something. And she's only in the movie at the beginning. Small role that has not much to do with skynet.

BTW did anyone else go see this? I saw it this afternoon and liked it. could've use more violence though lol
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Huh. Well, sorry, RodyPolis, I was just judging from the promotional materials. Odd that she's basically absent from the movie.

I imagine I'll get to see the movie in a couple weeks. Too busy at the moment.
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Well back in the mid 1980s'... Dark horse comics was writing a crap load of issues for an "Alien" and "Terminator" series. In the Terminator series they had this "good cyborg guy" in the human resistance.
We moved a lot back then so it was hard to get all of the issues so I could be very and totally wrong but if I recall correctly... his name was Marcus and he was pretty bad-ass.

Dark horse is the one that started the whole "Aliens Vs Predators" thing among other cool ideas after all. So go figure. Aliens Vs Batman... Aliens Vs Superman... Terminator Vs Superman... Terminator Vs Robocop... Alien Vs Predator Vs Terminator...
Those comics where published right after the original Terminator and Predator movies.... That's why they had the Alien skull at the end of the 2nd Predator flick.

What I'm saying is that I see a little of those old comics in this flick. That's a cool thing because I now remember stuff from when I was like 3 and a half foot tall. The whole time lag and lack of continuity in htis movie made sense after a few minutes... like why was Skynet after Kyle in the first place? Doh... I'm not gonna give that away but it makes sense once you think about it.
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that's a lot of information dude lol I never knew they had Terminator comics
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Just seen an advert on tv for terminator, it had john connor saying, "tell them, I'll be back!" Sigh unsure
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Tarn wrote:

The only critics I tend to pay attention to are those in Empire and Total Film magazines. Even then I take it with a pinch of salt.
Ah, then I do as you. Those are the two most trusted movie info places for me. Empire being my favorite. (Did you catch the one guest edited by Spielberg? That was amazing!)

Tarn wrote:

On another note, saw the first episode of Dollhouse on UK TV last night and really enjoyed it. Really interesting and highly dubious morality. Based on the first episode I'll certainly be watching more.
I have seen every Dollhouse episode so far and I generally liked it. Some really good episodes (Briar Rose being my favorite) and some not so good. Being a Whedon fan-boy I really want to say that the pilot was superb, but to me it was only quite good. They saved some of the better ideas for later.

Mild Spoiler alert below!










The biggest issue I have with the show is the overuse of the twist: that someone turns out to have been a doll all along. That would have been great if they did it once to an important character in the second season and people would be all: "MY GOD, I DID NOT SEE THAT COMING!". Now I feel that anyone and everyone could be a doll so how do I know anyone's motives or whats going on at all? (And I didn't find the 5th season of Lost all that convoluted as people make it out to be.)
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That was an awesome movie! A bit loud though, these days the cinemas are turning the volume up a bit higher than normal unsure