Red Dead Redemption - Trailer
Posted: Tue, 26th May 2009, 5:12pm
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Didn't know if this had been posted yet, couldn't find it in any other posts so here goes. Next to Mafia 2 this is the game I've been waiting out for, for a VERY longtime.
GUN was very close to nailing my dream game but if there was going to be one company to do it, Rockstar was it. I really am very happy they went ahead and continued to develop the game after a shortfall of sales in the western genre threatened it. Looks like they stuck to their guns on this one! (See what I did there)
Check it out here along with the trailer: http://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadredemption/
Posted: Tue, 26th May 2009, 5:25pm
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Ohhhhhh!!!!! I always thought there's a definate lack of cool western games that aren't just straight shooters. GUN was indeed a very very cool effort into the right direction of a freeroaming western game (I'd buy that ANYDAY) despite it's not so few flaws. This looks cool! Shame there's no PC version of it so far though.
Posted: Tue, 26th May 2009, 10:51pm
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I'm really hoping this is good. GUN was okay, Call of Juarez was worse than okay, and I never played Red Dead Revolver, but I heard it was okay. Why are western games apparently so hard to pull off?
Definitely excited to see if this breaks the "okay" streak, but my gut tells me it won't.
Posted: Wed, 27th May 2009, 8:42am
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Call of Juarez was a game full of good ideas that didn't quite stick together properly.
It's the bits in-between the shooting that need to be done right in Western games.
Posted: Thu, 28th May 2009, 3:31pm
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This is looking good - plus Rockstar Games is making it which in my books it'll at least be above average
I played a bit of GUN - thought it was pretty cool, and saw Call fo Juarez being played - not sure what to think of that.
Hopefully this'll be the western game we've been waiting for!
Posted: Thu, 28th May 2009, 4:11pm
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Best western game ever. And possibly the best videogame soundtrack of all time. And I speak from virtually no experience.
In reality, the game's not that great, though it was fun. The soundtrack, however, is something of an ultimate culmination of all the best bits of spaghetti western soundtracks all rolled into one. Uber-cheesy brilliance.
Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009, 7:25pm
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Found the a selection from the score here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zRo3Yvb4GM
You were right Axeman, it's pretty damn awesome.
Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009, 8:16pm
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Tarn wrote:It's the bits in-between the shooting that need to be done right in Western games.
Yeah. Shooting is something that's pretty universal in games, and Rockstar seem to have a decent grip on the mechanics. I have a feeling most developers just don't know what to use to fill the gaps.
There definitely needs to be a drinking side-game in this, similar to GTA4. Imagine being that one guy who strides into town, goes into the nearest saloon, gets smashed, then goes and shoots the place up and rides off, barely hanging onto his saddle.
That, along with good gunplay and combat, would make the perfect western game, if you ask me.
Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009, 10:33pm
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Best western game ever.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3O4OdgV7sA
i spent so many hours playing this, i wish i still had it.
Posted: Mon, 1st Jun 2009, 8:25am
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Heh, that's some crazy OTT gun firing in that video there. Gotta love old style console games with their pings and beeps and whistles on the menu selection screens, too. It always amuses me when you come across a console game that STILL does that.
Aculag wrote:Yeah. Shooting is something that's pretty universal in games, and Rockstar seem to have a decent grip on the mechanics. I have a feeling most developers just don't know what to use to fill the gaps.
Yeah. Most decent developers have got 'shooting' sorted these days. The games I actually enjoy and remember are the ones that do interesting stuff in-between. Valve are the masters at this, I reckon, although Infinity Ward do a pretty good job too.
Posted: Mon, 21st Dec 2009, 1:00pm
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It's almost here! I've been wating a very long time for this and more preview footage has been released. It's looking good.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st7YJUpFLps
Posted: Mon, 21st Dec 2009, 5:50pm
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I watched the gameplay trailer the other day and it looks so cool. I've been waiting for this game forever! It looks so amazingly fun. Can't wait to drag somebody behind my horse or 1 of the other million things you can do in the game.
Posted: Mon, 21st Dec 2009, 11:22pm
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I've been keeping up with this title, and while the first trailer was great, it still left me a bit skeptical of the concept. The new previews for this, however, have got me extremely excited.
Hunting, lassoing, scalping, camping, drinking, card games, knife games, horses, hookers, trains, mexican revolution! This is the game I have waited my entire life to play. It looks so
awesome. Rockstar has a good enough track record that I am no longer apprehensive about this title at all. I can't wait for this to come out.
That gameplay trailer is a genius marketing idea for games. More games need something like that.
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Posted: Mon, 21st Dec 2009, 11:24pm
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I really really hope this will be out for PC... I so want to play it...
Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2009, 6:10am
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This being Rockstar, I imagine it'll be out something like a year later on PC... though you never know, this could be the exception.
Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2009, 8:16pm
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This looks great; better and better the more they show of it. When does it come out? April?
That's awful far- I can't wait!
Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2009, 8:43pm
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It's the game I've always wanted 'Gunfright' to be on the spectrum. This is my favourite genre and it's been a long time coming. Yep, April is just around the corner, but it seems a long time to hold out.
This is Gunfright back in the day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzecW4dbINU
Posted: Wed, 23rd Dec 2009, 9:26am
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Looks pretty nifty, although I do tend to worry about games that include a load of random mini-games like the knife-between-the-fingers bit. I'd rather they focused on making the main gameplay as good as possible, rather than diverting resources to pointless things that you'll do once and never bother with again.
They should have called it Grand Theft Horse, though.
Posted: Mon, 17th May 2010, 3:11pm
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This just popped up on the FXhome twitter feed and I thought you guys would find it of interest:http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2010/may/17/red-dead-redemption-game-review
First online review, apparently.
Posted: Mon, 17th May 2010, 4:56pm
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IGN has theirs up as well.
Not surprisingly, it's getting top marks. I expect the early reviews to be somewhat bloated in their praise, but that's games journalism for you. GTA4 received top marks across the board, and while it's a great game, it is by no means perfect. I'm sure it'll be a similar thing in this case; very well made, highly polished, but flawed.
Comes out in the states tomorrow, and I will probably be picking it up. I've watched various youtube clips of people playing, and it looks just awesome. It's also really my only anticipated game until the end of the year, I think, when Fallout: New Vegas saunters out.
Posted: Tue, 18th May 2010, 8:02am
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The sense of immersion and exploration is what appeals to me the most. I'm interested to see if Rockstar have resolved the disparity between open world and linear storytelling, which always 'breaks' the GTA games for me.
Posted: Tue, 18th May 2010, 4:55pm
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Well, tons of reviews up now. Metacritic has it sitting at a cool 95/100
I'll be back later tonight with my impressions, assuming I can find a copy.
Posted: Tue, 18th May 2010, 4:59pm
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I'm seriously considering buying a PS3 just for this game... Buh...
COME ON, BRING IT OUT ON THE PC ALREADY!!!!
I'm interested to see if Rockstar have resolved the disparity between open world and linear storytelling, which always 'breaks' the GTA games for me.
Same here. GTA is the most uninteresting when it tries to tell a story and at it's best when the story just seems to evolve by chance. I want my sandbox. Fire the writers, hire good AI programmers.
Posted: Tue, 18th May 2010, 5:53pm
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I think a lot of the problem with open world games is that there's so much else to do that it's easy to forget about the story, or to choose to ignore it. It has always been my dream that someday someone will make an open world game like Shenmue or GTA that has no written story and just lets you make your own, but I think we're pretty far away from that.
For something like this, though, I really think it's going to come down to your play style. You can easily choose to ignore the story completely (after a few missions, presumably), or you can do the opposite, and ignore the rest of what the world has to offer, and focus exclusively on the story. Either way, you're going to miss a lot of what the game has to offer. So I agree that it'll be interesting to see how Rockstar have balanced the two in this particular game. There's always the possibility that you'll be following the story, and then get sidetracked and go do something else for two weeks game-time, and by the time you get back to the story, it stops making sense. That happens a lot.
From what the reviews have to say, the story is right up there with classic western films, but many reviews said that GTA4 was as good as any hollywood crime film, which I don't really agree with. It had its moments, and the story is good, but it's videogame good. If RDR actually has a film-quality story to go along with its lush open world, it could be something very special. I'm still not entirely sure whether or not to trust the gushing reviews, because reviewers tend to go a little crazy over R* games anyway, but we'll see.
Edit for first impressions: Have been playing for about a half hour, and so far it's very impressive. It really captures the western feel brilliantly. The controls are much smoother than GTA4, and the shooting is equally as improved. Horse riding feels very natural. Graphics are great, and the world is beautiful. I won't be able to play very much until tonight, but so far so good.
Edit again: The drunken stumbling in this is even better than it was in GTA4. Making Marston get super drunk in the saloon and then trying to walk out the swinging doors and down the steps is amazing, and when he falls flat on his face, you can really sense the weight behind it. Brilliant.
Posted: Wed, 19th May 2010, 6:25am
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Keep us posted, I'm trying to decide whether to buy this full price or not, and as you say, reviewers absolutely can't be trusted when it comes to this kind of game.
Posted: Wed, 19th May 2010, 7:49am
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Posted: Wed, 19th May 2010, 7:54am
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The article has not been confirmed so far. I found another interview saying "we don't know where they got their information from. It's probably a journalists mistake.".
So, no need to get excited yet. Unfortunately.
Posted: Wed, 19th May 2010, 11:02am
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Tarn wrote:Keep us posted, I'm trying to decide whether to buy this full price or not, and as you say, reviewers absolutely can't be trusted when it comes to this kind of game.
Do it. I'm nearly five hours into it right now, and it is everything I'd hoped it would be. Good story, likable characters (Is Marston the first truly likable Rockstar character?), great graphics, great gunplay, great horse controls. The missions so far haven't been as varied as I'd like; it's been variations of "go here, fight guys" and "go here, herd cattle" but I've only completed 12 missions so far, and have barely even ventured out of the first town, so I get the feeling they will become quite varied. And actually, the herding missions have been pretty well done, and fit very well into the concept. The game often reminds me of the film Open Range, which is a surprisingly underrated film. It's slow, it has a lot of cattle wrangling, but it pays off.
Once you get the lasso, the game really starts to feel like a western. You go break wild horses, you can hogtie people, piss off dogs, etc. So far each one of the minigames I've played has been extremely well done, and engaging. I lost far too much money playing Blackjack, however. Have yet to try five finger fillet, but I look forward to that.
I won't give it a rating or anything, since I'm not very far into it, but it's definitely worth paying full price for. It's a much more polished and lush game than GTA4. There is a whole lot to do, and a large, immersive world, that fully captures the atmosphere of the American west. It's awesome.
Posted: Wed, 19th May 2010, 11:53am
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Aculag wrote:Do it. I'm nearly five hours into it right now, and it is everything I'd hoped it would be. Good story, likable characters (Is Marston the first truly likable Rockstar character?), great graphics, great gunplay, great horse controls.
Is the horse as good as the one in Shadow of the Colossus? That's still the best game horse ever. Does the horse feel actually like a horse
, ie a separate animal with its own brain, or does it just feel like a vehicle?
I'll be interested to see how the story develops. Every GTA game has started out with a very strong story, then descended into incomprehensible farce - hopefully that doesn't happen here.
Also, most crucially: does it actually give you the option to play a good guy? I always hate being forced to be a criminal/bastard in GTA games.
Posted: Wed, 19th May 2010, 1:19pm
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Sollthar wrote:I'm seriously considering buying a PS3 just for this game... Buh...
COME ON, BRING IT OUT ON THE PC ALREADY!!!!
Don't second guess yourself, do it.
I definitely am looking to get this now. I've always wondered how they could really make a good
western game, as in not boring, repetitive, limited enemies...
Posted: Wed, 19th May 2010, 1:51pm
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Tarn wrote:Is the horse as good as the one in Shadow of the Colossus? That's still the best game horse ever. Does the horse feel actually like a horse, ie a separate animal with its own brain, or does it just feel like a vehicle?
I would say that it is just as good as the SotC horse. It's been a while since I've played that, but I honestly think the mechanic is pretty much exactly the same. Feels very natural, and the horse won't commit suicide, and will buck you off if you ride it too hard. You actually steer it using reins , so it doesn't just feel like driving a car, it feels like riding a horse. Firing a gun near a horse will spook it, and you can't make it do something that it wouldn't normally do, like jump off a cliff to its death. If you go straight at a cliff, it will either slow down and veer in one direction or another, or it will buck you off, sending you to your demise. Takes a few minutes to get used to, but when you do, it's just right.
Tarn wrote:I'll be interested to see how the story develops. Every GTA game has started out with a very strong story, then descended into incomprehensible farce - hopefully that doesn't happen here.
I'm hoping so as well! Apparently it's a good 20 hour story, so it might be a while before I get toward the end, because I'm having so much fun just playing poker and having shootouts.
Tarn wrote:Also, most crucially: does it actually give you the option to play a good guy? I always hate being forced to be a criminal/bastard in GTA games.
Yes. There is an honor system that seems to work pretty well. Just as an example, I met a woman in the wilderness who was convinced that God would save her life, and you can either leave her to die, hogtie her and put her on the train tracks, or go buy medicine from a doctor, and bring it back to her to save her life. None of those choices are really laid out for you, but the options are there.
Marston is a married family man who wants to leave the life of crime behind him and become a rancher, so there's no sleeping with prostitutes, and you don't have to shoot anyone unless they shoot at you first. He's a reformed gang member, so it's completely up to you whether you stay on the straight-and-narrow, or whether you want to raise hell and get your bounty up as high as you can, while playing the Snidely Whiplash sinister villain who ties damsels to train tracks, or drags them behind your horse.
This is easily the best western game of all time, and so far, it seems to do everything just right. I haven't tried the multiplayer yet, but I intend to try it very soon.
Posted: Wed, 19th May 2010, 2:17pm
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Do you have it on PS3 or 360? It'd be fun to try some multiplayer together, but I'm guessing you can't do cross-platform play.
Posted: Wed, 19th May 2010, 2:47pm
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I'm really hoping when I get back from work today the Postie has left a Red Dead Redemption style present for me. Although I do still have Assassin's Creed 2, Lost Planet 2, GTA: Episodes & a whole load more to make my way through.... but after reading about this game for so long, something tells me they are going to be waiting a while longer before I give them any attention.
There just aren't enough hours in the day...
Posted: Wed, 19th May 2010, 3:54pm
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Tarn wrote:Do you have it on PS3 or 360? It'd be fun to try some multiplayer together, but I'm guessing you can't do cross-platform play.
PS3. My PSN handle is Aculag, surprisingly enough.
Posted: Wed, 19th May 2010, 3:58pm
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OK, I have absolutely no idea what my PSN handle is (might be Tarnimus), but I'll add Aculag when I get home anyway.
I look forward to shooting you in the head. (more so than usual, that is)
Posted: Wed, 19th May 2010, 6:22pm
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It's the best we can do until L4D is out on mac!
Posted: Wed, 19th May 2010, 7:50pm
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Good point, that's going to be awesome. Are you on Steam yet? Jump into the FXhome group if you are so we can find you easily.
Edit: RDR ordered! Hopefully will arrive tomorrow.
Posted: Tue, 1st Jun 2010, 9:46am
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I just want to update this with my final impressions, having finished the story, and much of the non-story game.
Rockstar definitely took it up a notch with this one. The last time I had such a good time playing a game was Uncharted 2, and even that somewhat pales to the scope of Red Dead Redemption. I don't think there will be another game like this for a long time, but I hope there will be! It's a classic.
Don't continue reading this if you don't want to be spoiled:
I was a bit surprised by how the ending played out. It doesn't have your typical action game ending, with a cutscene after the final encounter, and a fade to credits. You wrap up the business that has driven the plot, and then it puts you into Marston's home life, where you have conversations with his wife and son, drive cattle, teach the boy how to hunt, and things seem fine. But after a while, some sinister music saturates the background and you get the feeling that things aren't quite over yet. Eventually, the law come a-callin' for Marston once again, but this time, it's his wife and son who escape, and Marston is shot dead. You then take brief control of his wife, who rides her horse back to the ranch to find him, bloodied and full of holes in the gravel. So at this point I was thinking, "well damn. I kinda wanted to keep playing and do the stuff I didn't do yet..."
But then there's another cutscene in which we see that several years have passed, and his wife has also died. Marston's son, Jack, dons his hat, and you assume control of HIM, free to wander the world and do what you please, tying up loose ends, or just being a rebel and making a ghost town of wherever you find yourself with too much ammo. The most interesting thing about this is that even after this point, the game is not over, and you don't get a credit sequence. There is an optional side mission where Jack tracks down the man who killed his Pa, and exacts revenge. Then, as Jack turns around, his mission complete, there is a red swipe across the screen, the title displays, and the credits roll. So even after you finish the basic story, there are still two full "chapters" to play before the game is actually over, and after that, you're still free to continue doing whatever you like as Jack, who is a completely separate character, with full voice acting, which is just amazing, considering he's not in 80% of the game.
I find that I have spent a lot of time playing the mini-games, which are actually surprisingly engaging. Unlike open-world games like Just Cause 2 or even GTA4, there's quite a bit of variety, and most of the games take some practice to become skillful enough to beat them. It took me a long time to get good at Five Finger Fillet, for example, and that mostly boils down to memorization. Things like Liar's Dice and Poker require some real strategy and thought, and Horseshoes... I still haven't won a game. Blackjack and Arm Wrestling are fun, but I don't like them as much.
The side missions are equally as engaging. There is a lot of variety to be had in these, and while some of them still come down to "go here, kill/capture this guy", they manage to be a lot more fun than similar missions in GTA4, which I am realizing that this game is not actually very comparable to at all, apart from the engine and mechanics. The story is much more mature and well thought out, the characters are likable and human, and without that annoying cell phone thing, you're much freer than you were in Liberty City.
Horses control very well, and are actually pretty fun to ride, and a really good way of getting around. The map is large, and some distances can seem daunting, but it doesn't take too long to get from A to B, and the landscape is consistently enjoyable, and rather varied. And speaking of the landscape, the graphics are stunning. I am still surprised by how good sunsets and twilight look on the environment. The lighting is top notch, and actually makes it fairly easy to guess what time of day it is just based on where the sun is and what the place looks like.
I can't praise this game enough, and while it does have its share of flaws, I honestly can't think of any off the top of my head that aren't inherent in every open-world game (weird graphics glitches, freezing, AI hiccups, etc.) It is a truly fantastic game, and well worth playing to any fan of open-world games, or westerns. It's a classic of both.
I have over 36 hours play time clocked, and I still haven't completed all of the side missions. And I haven't played a single second of multiplayer. I think I'll get on that.
Posted: Wed, 2nd Jun 2010, 5:41pm
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Aculag has it spot on.
I've been playing this one pretty hard and I have to admit it's definitely hit my number one game of all time. It's everything I wanted it to be and more. Great missions with engaging side stories, I'm through to about 80% complete, with both the master hunter and survivalist challenges still yet to do. There's a couple of stranger missions left but I'm working my way round to them.
While there are a couple of bugs looming, amusing ones too, I'm sure it won't be long before Rockstar patch them up. Check this one out for example - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYdCvN-ukRY
I'm now into the MP, it stands up just as good to the single player experience and with new DLC just around the corner it's set to get even better.
I wasn't a huge fan of GTA, though I liked the ideas behind it. This is the first sandbox game where all the different gaming styles blend together. The combat feels very good and isn't clunky like the GTA series.
I'm a huge fan of the Wild West genre and if you are too then I can say without any uncertainty this game will find a very special place to your heart like a bullet from a gun.
The thick bass strings cutting through the OST aren't half bad either
Posted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2010, 12:18am
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That is the greatest glitch of all time. I never get cool stuff like that.
Posted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2010, 8:07am
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Heh, that bug is astonishingly creepy!
RDR is indeed a classic game. R* have finally found a setting that actually suits the GTA template. I've always felt that the realistic cityscapes in GTA were completely at odds with the madcap action, especially in the later games, and always lamented having to play a complete scumbag.
RDR's wilder, emptier landscape makes it all work, with the violence making sense in the context of an inherently violent place. And, so far, the game's given me the opportunity to play a (anti-)hero, which is great.
Posted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2010, 9:44am
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Even as a casual-at-best gamer, I have to admit how potently addictive and brilliant this game is. My little brother, who doesn't play games that often himself either, has been on RDR for I think 5 days straight- almost all day, every day. It's crazy, the game is astoundingly effective and entertaining, and Ben and I have been nagging to play our little bro's copy every day any chance we get.
I haven't much tried the story mode, but free roam and the posse stuff on Xbox Live are absolutely awesome. Where GTA4 was not only an enjoyably expansive world with amazing graphics, Red Dead Redemption takes that same framework and even more jaw-dropping, practically-applied visuals and transplants it all to a much more desolate (albeit beautiful) world. The result is a look, playability, and overall feel that is entirely isolating, wary of others, and entirely captivating. It takes the west and makes it a western. It takes the western genre and makes it into the west that you can actually walk (or ride) through. And it's beautifully-orchestrated. Laid-out. Visuals all top-notch.
But most of all, the game succeeds- and for me transcends what seems like the flavor of the month of 'OMG this is the best game ever!!!!1111- because it just oozes with such authenticity
. The game strikes every right chord with how it feels
in both playing it or just looking at it. And that's a damn near impossibility for almost any game. So much so, I'd say it's one of the best I've ever seen or played. Right up there with those first feelings of playing Spiderman 2 on PS2- the first time you could roam all of NYC with decent enough graphics, and the ability to soar rooftops and websling your way down streets.
Cool stuff, I really look forward to playing it more once I get my little brother off for a bathroom break.
(It's also been good at priming Ben and I to get in the mood for shooting our bordertown western later this summer. Exciting stuff and feelings, all of it!)
Posted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2010, 9:46am
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Yeah, it nails the feel of being a gunslinger in the West in much the same way Batman:Arkham Asylum nailed the feel of being Batman last year.
Posted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2010, 12:59pm
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Especially in multiplayer, which I finally got around to playing last night. Joining a posse and roaming town to town wreaking havoc is one of the most entertaining things I've done in a long time.
Tarn, what's a good time for you to play a game? We must ambush stagecoaches, and rob banks, and pick flowers together.
Posted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2010, 1:18pm
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Weekends are probably best, otherwise our time zones aren't gonna line up nicely. What time zone you in?
One snag is that I don't have a headset of any sort for the PS3. Any particular type you recommend? The one time I've done multiplayer on the PS3, in RDR with a friend of mine, I had to use Skype on my iPhone to talk to him.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jun 2010, 12:36am
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Yeah, I don't have a headset either. Apparently you can use any bluetooth headset with it, though. I should look into that, because that is the one thing that i felt was missing from my multiplayer experience. It's hard to be in a posse and not be able to communicate.
Also, Pacific time zone.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jun 2010, 8:24am
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I've borrowed a headset for a few days, so will see how it works! I might actually have a bluetooth mobile phone headset up in the loft somewhere, will have a rummage.