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Posted: Sun, 14th Jun 2009, 7:33pm

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I've been looking for a way to put two clips together. I figured, that if I mask the background from the original footage I could put myself in another background by using a different clip.
Is there any way to add two clips to a timeline?
Posted: Sun, 14th Jun 2009, 7:47pm

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Yes you drag the 2 clips from the Media tab and put them ontop of each other in the timeline. To get media in the timeline go to the media tab and right-click. Then click insert media file... or something like that. Then find your files. Click open. Drag onto timeline ontop of each other and mask.
Posted: Sun, 14th Jun 2009, 7:56pm

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Storm Grenade wrote:

Yes you drag the 2 clips from the Media tab and put them ontop of each other in the timeline. To get media in the timeline go to the media tab and right-click. Then click insert media file... or something like that. Then find your files. Click open. Drag onto timeline ontop of each other and mask.
I'm not sure I understand, can you walk e through step by step?
Posted: Sun, 14th Jun 2009, 9:39pm

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1: You know the Effects, Media, and Info tabs on the right? Click the Media tab. (Note: On CompositeLab you'll start out on the Media tab.)

2: Now click the little folder icon on the top right. Find your clip(s) and hit Open. Double-click or click-and-drag to move them onto the timeline. To put clip 1 on top of clip 2 (or vice versa), simply select the one you want on top and move it above the other on the timeline.

3: Manual masking/compositing, and you're good to go.
Posted: Sun, 14th Jun 2009, 11:08pm

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Its worth noting that what you are trying to do is called compositing, and EffectsLab IS NOT a compositing program. I assume that you are using EffectsLab since you posted in the EffectsLab forum, though you have never mentioned anything regarding what software you are using, so if this is incorrect let us know. You can still have limited success compositing in EffectsLab, but you really should be looking at something like CompositeLab, VisionLab Studio, or After Effects for this type of work.

And if you want to change backgrounds digitally, then the only way to go is Greenscreen. Really. Anything other method is going to be far more difficult, take far longer, and look far worse.
Posted: Mon, 15th Jun 2009, 12:34am

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Gunshot

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Axeman wrote:

Its worth noting that what you are trying to do is called compositing, and EffectsLab IS NOT a compositing program. I assume that you are using EffectsLab since you posted in the EffectsLab forum, though you have never mentioned anything regarding what software you are using, so if this is incorrect let us know. You can still have limited success compositing in EffectsLab, but you really should be looking at something like CompositeLab, VisionLab Studio, or After Effects for this type of work.

And if you want to change backgrounds digitally, then the only way to go is Greenscreen. Really. Anything other method is going to be far more difficult, take far longer, and look far worse.
See, that's the thing, I don't care.
I'm one who experiments, tries to find different ways to use things. I like to take things apart and put them back together. When a person tells me I can't do something when I haven't experimented with it yet, I don't listen, so it was pointless for you to even post this in the first place.
Posted: Mon, 15th Jun 2009, 12:50am

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Gunshot wrote:

See, that's the thing, I don't care.
I'm one who experiments, tries to find different ways to use things. I like to take things apart and put them back together. When a person tells me I can't do something when I haven't experimented with it yet, I don't listen, so it was pointless for you to even post this in the first place.
Look, I know that you're new here, a lot of people are, but he was only trying to help. Also, not a great idea to directly insult the MOD who is trying to help. It wasn't his fault you didn't post information for us to help you out. It wasn't his fault that you're using Elab and not Clab.

I understand you are looking to do compositing in ELab. Not the best thing to do, but okay. Using a mask I guess it could be done. You'd have to draw it arounbd the person or object in eah frame individually. Real pain in the arse, but whatever. Go for it. Definately will take you waayyyyy longer and will more than likely look really poor, but go for it. You said you like experimenting.

I perosnally recommend getting Composite Lab expecially if you are doing a ot of compositing work. A really good, powerful, and cheap program. Just my 2P.

Axeman wrote:

And if you want to change backgrounds digitally, then the only way to go is Greenscreen. Really. Anything other method is going to be far more difficult, take far longer, and look far worse.
Ahh, my friend, what about blue screening, or chroma keying? Just kidding with you. But, you could in theory use many different colors and chroma key that(some have used red) but it won't be as good. The reason is that reds, and oranges, etc have skin tones in them and will bleed through to the background image/video.

Hope that helps a little. Sorry for the rant, but it couldn't be helped.

DV

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Posted: Mon, 15th Jun 2009, 12:52am

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Richard III wrote:

1: You know the Effects, Media, and Info tabs on the right? Click the Media tab. (Note: On CompositeLab you'll start out on the Media tab.)

2: Now click the little folder icon on the top right. Find your clip(s) and hit Open. Double-click or click-and-drag to move them onto the timeline. To put clip 1 on top of clip 2 (or vice versa), simply select the one you want on top and move it above the other on the timeline.

3: Manual masking/compositing, and you're good to go.
Thanks! I didn't have to explain it!

The result from doing plain masking actually isn't that bad at all Axeman (if you are willing to put the time into it). Plus if he bought E-lab and doesn't want to buy another software (even though C-lab is cool) than this is a way of doing such. It is apparent that he has no intentions of buyimng other software.

Yes that is it. Good luck with masking.

Awaiting the final product.-Storm
Posted: Mon, 15th Jun 2009, 12:57am

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DVStudio wrote:

Gunshot wrote:

See, that's the thing, I don't care.
I'm one who experiments, tries to find different ways to use things. I like to take things apart and put them back together. When a person tells me I can't do something when I haven't experimented with it yet, I don't listen, so it was pointless for you to even post this in the first place.
Look, I know that you're new here, a lot of people are, but he was only trying to help. Also, not a great idea to directly insult the MOD who is trying to help. It wasn't his fault you didn't post information for us to help you out. It wasn't his fault that you're using Elab and not Clab.

I understand you are looking to do compositing in ELab. Not the best thing to do, but okay. Using a mask I guess it could be done. You'd have to draw it arounbd the person or object in eah frame individually. Real pain in the arse, but whatever. Go for it. Definately will take you waayyyyy longer and will look really poor, but go for it. You said you like experimenting.

I perosnally recommend getting Composite Lab expecially if you are doing a ot of compositing work. A really good, powerful, and cheap program. Just my 2P.

Axeman wrote:

And if you want to change backgrounds digitally, then the only way to go is Greenscreen. Really. Anything other method is going to be far more difficult, take far longer, and look far worse.
Ahh, my friend, what about blue screening, or chroma keying? Just kidding with you. But, you could in theory use many different colors and chroma key that(some have used red) but it won't be as good. The reason is that reds, and oranges, etc have skin tones in them and will bleed through to the background image/video.

Hope that helps a little. Sorry for the rant, but it couldn't be helped.

DV
Ahhh. You beat me to the post! Honestly though if you are doing compositing C-lab is the way to go. As he said it is powerful and cheap and hint the name "Composite Lab!!!!" Since you don't have any products registered I would actually suggest getting Visionlab which is E-lab and C-lab combined. Here is a link> http://fxhome.com/visionlab

Sorry for the x2 posts.-Storm
Posted: Mon, 15th Jun 2009, 1:28am

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Axeman

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Gunshot wrote:

See, that's the thing, I don't care.
I'm one who experiments, tries to find different ways to use things. I like to take things apart and put them back together. When a person tells me I can't do something when I haven't experimented with it yet, I don't listen, so it was pointless for you to even post this in the first place.
When it comes to experimenting, I'm the same way. I like to think I've pushed the boundaries of these applications as much as anyone. There's no way for the creators of any program to have in mind every possible situation when they create the program, so certainly the tools available are capable of more than what they were specifically designed for.

That being said, When someone doesn't yet know how to add a clip to the timeline, you have to assume that any explanation should start at a very basic level. I have no way of knowing whether you are familiar with the differences between the programs, and what their respective toolsets are designed for. And since we have thousands of people on these forums every day, I have to keep that in mind when posting a response, so that in the future when other users read this thread, they can clearly understand the differentiation between the applications. Not everyone wants to experiment; some people are after tools that are designed for the job they are trying to do. My response was far from pointless.

And I do understand that many different colors can be used for keying; but for digital video footage, green brings the best results, due to the way the cameras capture color info, its the easiest to come by inexpensively, and is the most versatile in respects to the foregrounds that it can be used with. But again, when explaining at a basic level, that isn't really necessary info, it may confuse the subject more than anything.

And yes, masking by hand can bring excellent results, and sometimes is the only method that will work, and is still used regularly even in Hollywood, but most users aren't interested on spending an hour per frame masking out a foreground at thirty frames per second; again I generalized based on the apparent skill level of the user, pointing out that a greenscreen is quicker, easier, and better seemed a more logical direction to go. I was entirely prepared to go into more detail explaining how to do it the wrong way, but wanted to make sure that he was aware that there was an alternate, correct way beforehand. Gosh!

Anyway Gunshot - apparently I started my explanation at too simplistic a level for you, and I apologize for that. I meant no offence. The primary limitation you will run into when compositing with EffectsLab is that because its compositing tools are designed to work with stock footage, primarily of the fire and explosions variety, when importing media int he standard way you don't have the option of using a "Normal" composite blend; it defaults to "Screen" with an option to switch that to "Add." So you have to work around this to perform compositing of standard footage. The process is explained in this tutorial. The tutorial is written for a slightly different job, but the process is actually the same as what you are trying to do. The difference is that you would have a more detailed freehand mask involved when masking the second layer.
Posted: Mon, 15th Jun 2009, 2:36am

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Gunshot wrote:

Axeman wrote:

Its worth noting that what you are trying to do is called compositing, and EffectsLab IS NOT a compositing program. I assume that you are using EffectsLab since you posted in the EffectsLab forum, though you have never mentioned anything regarding what software you are using, so if this is incorrect let us know. You can still have limited success compositing in EffectsLab, but you really should be looking at something like CompositeLab, VisionLab Studio, or After Effects for this type of work.

And if you want to change backgrounds digitally, then the only way to go is Greenscreen. Really. Anything other method is going to be far more difficult, take far longer, and look far worse.
See, that's the thing, I don't care.
I'm one who experiments, tries to find different ways to use things. I like to take things apart and put them back together. When a person tells me I can't do something when I haven't experimented with it yet, I don't listen, so it was pointless for you to even post this in the first place.
...Okay...

You can't composite in Elab unless you want to do a lot, and I mean a crapping truckload of manual masking. It's not a matter of experimenting. The idea of adventure and intuition is very noble, but fact is that though it can work very well, you simply do not want to do that. If you can work it out, congratulations. I think manual masking has potential to look better than greenscreen. But only if you feel like putting in hours of work to clean up a tiny bit of green around the edges that's easily removed anyway.

Gunshot wrote:

When a person tells me I can't do something when I haven't experimented with it yet, I don't listen
That is a really, really bad idea. Always listen to other people, even if you don't agree with them. Especially if it's a user like Axeman, who knows what he's talking about better than almost anyone here. Also, that is the exact same hard-nosed attitude that got me in deep dung here, and since then I've had to drag my reputation from the mud. I'm only halfway out. I am also the kind of person to listen to on that score, because I've made those mistakes.

Sigh...If you're determined to do manual masking, I'll give you a few pointers. This is on the assumption that being new to the program you haven't yet figured it all out. Make sure to have pretty much equal lighting/quality on your videos; also, grade them similarly and put an unobtrusive Gauss. Blur of about 3 around the edges. It helps integrate your actor into the clip.
Posted: Mon, 15th Jun 2009, 9:16am

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Gunshot wrote:

See, that's the thing, I don't care.
I'm one who experiments, tries to find different ways to use things. I like to take things apart and put them back together. When a person tells me I can't do something when I haven't experimented with it yet, I don't listen, so it was pointless for you to even post this in the first place.
What a very, very bizarre post. Axeman was only trying to help, after all, and gave good advice.

If you enjoy experimenting and using incorrect tools for the job simply to see how far you can push them then that's fine - knock yourself out. But that's no reason to rudely dismiss someone that's trying to help you out.

However much you like to experiment, though, you still have to take practicality into consideration. You can take a car apart to try to make it fly, but at some point you're going to have to acknowledge the fact that it just ain't a plane.
Posted: Mon, 15th Jun 2009, 7:06pm

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Look everyone, I apologize for being so bitchy about this. I am just really eager to try stuff with this. At the time of posting this my comp was broken, and I was using my mom's, so I was a bit stressed at that time. That, however, does not give me any excuse. I apologize sincerely for the way I acted. I thank you all for your advice. I just have another question though. If you were you record your Ipod, not just the screen, but the whole Ipod it self and play a video on it. Thenrecord your own self doing somthing else, would that work? because the Ipod would have to stay in one place right?
Posted: Tue, 16th Jun 2009, 1:06am

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Tracking video onto an iPod actually wouldn't be too hard. If you crop the video to the aspect ratio of your ipod screen, then its just a matter of making sure the 4 corners of the video match the 4 corners of the screen.
Posted: Tue, 16th Jun 2009, 1:56am

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Ok, the whole Ipod experiment was a success, but the ipod is a bit transparent. Is there any way you can get rid of the transparency?
Posted: Tue, 16th Jun 2009, 4:18am

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That's the limitation I was trying to explain earlier. EffectsLab's media compositing capabilities are optimized for stock footage such as fire and explosions, and therefore default to a "Screen" Composite Blend mode. You can't switch it to normal. The work around is to use the process explained in the tutorial I linked to, wherein you combine all of the media clips into a single file, and then cut them into separate chunks in EffectsLab.
Posted: Tue, 16th Jun 2009, 4:39am

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That's cool. I can live with it.
Posted: Mon, 5th Oct 2009, 2:08am

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I found a way to make the clip solid!
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Then I found a better way to make the clip solid smile
Hi, Gunshot here.
I only used that account because I couldn't find the password for this one.
Now I found it and I'm back on smile
I can't believe how simple it is to make it solid!!
First I had the idea, and I put this in a video, I take a TINY TINY peace of paper and stick it to the lens, stupid idea.
So then I had the thought of just having a whole "Blackscreen" behind you.
ex: a TV screen that's off.
Then I figured there would be glare everywhere which would make the clip transparent. Just today I thought, "What if I use a mask on the original clip and just fit the other clip inside the mask?!?!
I tryed it, it's no longer transparent at all!!!