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Posted: Fri, 19th Jun 2009, 4:29pm

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How come there isn't a topic for this already? Am I missing something?

Anyway, to summarise:

This stuff is better than in the first film:

* Sam's dad.
* John Turturro.
* Ravage (if that's what he was called?).

Everything else is worse.
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Huh? Doesn't this come out in 5 days?
Posted: Fri, 19th Jun 2009, 4:33pm

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Ah, perhaps that explains it? Maybe we grabbed a preview?

Anyway, if you've got a cinema with a fast-forward button that lets you watch the interminably boring finale action sequence on double-speed, it might be worth seeing for the technical achievement.
Posted: Fri, 19th Jun 2009, 4:49pm

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Nope... it wasn't a preview, Tarn. The UK release was today, but the US release isn't until Wednesday.
Posted: Fri, 19th Jun 2009, 4:58pm

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Tarn wrote:

...the interminably boring finale action sequence on double-speed, it might be worth seeing for the technical achievement.
Damn. This does not look good. If anything, I was counting on that the action scenes would at least be better than in the first one, as they would have less of a learning curve having solved a lot of problems the first time around. Is it Michael Bay's fault? I thought for sure that "Mr. Awesomeness" would have made sure that the sequel was more "awesome" than the first one.

I must admit I didn't like the feel of the first one that much. The army propaganda Michael Bay inserts in every one of his films for one. The need he had to not fully show us big robots fighting, but rather show us Shia LaBeouf and Megan Fox fighting a little cell phone, instead of Bumblebee who's in an epic brawl 200 meters away. I also found Bernie Mac to be the only funny, "funny" character in the whole pic (except Sam's dad). John Turturro and Antony Anderson only ever got mild chuckles out of me.

So taking all this into account I still really enjoyed the movie for the destruction and technical wonders and high-way chases.

Judging by the trailer for this one we have seen all the same ILM stuff in the first one so if that's all that is left I am already bracing myself for disappointment.
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All I've heard about this is that the effects are way more realistic than the first movie, and that it will definitely please the fans of the first one.

Now I'm not sure Tarn, but you had problems with the first one, right? So is it more of that, just longer, and on a larger scale? Or does it do things significantly worse than the first movie? The stuff I had a problem with in the first movie was some of the stupid humor... the robots doing stupid things, like the scene where they destroy Shia's yard.
Posted: Fri, 19th Jun 2009, 6:27pm

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jawajohnny wrote:

All I've heard about this is that the effects are way more realistic than the first movie, and that it will definitely please the fans of the first one.
I'm not a 'fan' of the first one as such, but I do really like it. It's great fun stuff.

Now I'm not sure Tarn, but you had problems with the first one, right?
Yeah, mostly due to it 'not being Transformers'. Once I got past that I found a really fun, blockbustery film with great effects, great music and a really good performance from the Beef.

So is it more of that, just longer, and on a larger scale? Or does it do things significantly worse than the first movie?
There is more, and it's on a larger scale, but not in a good way.

If you compare Fellowship of the Ring to Return of the King, you can say that RotK is 'more', and on a much larger scale, but the story scales up in an effective way. It make sense to be bigger, and the stakes feel genuinely higher.

In TF2, everything is LITERALLY bigger, and there's MORE fights and MORE robots...but there's less story. As a result, while the scope is vastly, hugely wider, it still feels like the same kinda stuff. It's not particularly gripping. Stuff just explodes on screen a lot, then explodes a few more times, then the movie ends.

The stuff I had a problem with in the first movie was some of the stupid humor... the robots doing stupid things, like the scene where they destroy Shia's yard.
Yeah, the crap humour in the first was my main problem with it, as well as all the really lame, cliched 'street talk' dialogue from some of the characters.

Out of all the things that there are 'more' of in TF2, unfortunately the juvenile, crappy humour is the element that's been increased the most. There's so much rubbish humour, and so many awful characters that every time the film is about to get going, or every time you're about to actually have an emotional experience, it gets completely undermined by a crappy joke.

There were two things about the first film that I was CONVINCED they'd fix for the sequel:

* The silly, scrabbly Frenzy character, who was just a bit weird and silly in the first one and not at all threatening and didn't seem to have anything in common with the big stompy robots.
* The design issue with all the Decepticons looking kinda the same in robot form (spiky grey metal).

Instead, it would appear that Bay loved both of those elements, as there's just tons of both.
Posted: Fri, 19th Jun 2009, 7:27pm

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I really enjoyed the first one (even though i thought i wouldn't co's its not my sort of film.) I did not like the poor attempt at humor that was thrown into it, mainly the good/nasty agent guy. His performance completely ruined the film. His character was meant to be mean but in a funny way, however I think his character only seemed hillarious to a 5 year old. I agree that Bernie Mac the car salesman was the only "genuine" realistic funny character in the film and he was only in it for 5 minutes. I do hope that the agent guy isnt going to return to transformers 2 and completely ruin it again, i hope if he is in it, he is brought in at a distance and limited on the pathetic cheesy cliches and old used 1 liners.

As for the film, the epic battles explosions and general fast paced destruction gave me a hard on, I hope the 2nd one lives up to the first
Posted: Fri, 19th Jun 2009, 7:32pm

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Yeah, I think it might be kinda cool to see. I mean, Megan Fox, explosions, robots, Megan Fox. What isn't to like?

Comes out Wednesday, in the US rigt? Thats what Fandango said.

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Posted: Fri, 19th Jun 2009, 7:41pm

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yeah she would get it (probably not from me) but definatly get it. She is even more sexy in "how to lose friends and alienate people."
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Hehe I know quite a few people finally escaping their life of warcraft for a few hours, just for Miss Foxey razz
Posted: Fri, 19th Jun 2009, 9:09pm

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When you DVStudio posted some of those same pics here, No Respite responded (ingeniously) with:

No Respite Productions wrote:

PHWOAR!

Look at that incredible body, that finely toned physique, those come to bed eyes...

Megan Fox isn't half bad either.
I have quoted that so many times since. Megan Fox is really good looking and all, but she is also human and has therefore not spent 40+hours (per frame) being rendered to perfection at ILMs render farm. When I go to see Transformers 2, I go to see CGI. biggrin

Nice try Fox, but ILM wins by a polygon. razz
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Staff Only wrote:

Megan Fox is really good looking and all, but she is also human and has therefore not spent 40+hours (per frame) being rendered to perfection at ILMs render farm.
Only because, even if you tried, you couldn't come close to 'rendering' a body and face that close to perfection. I'm a huge Michael Bay fan, I'm a huge Megan Fox fan, I'm a huge Shia Labeouf fan- and I LOVED LOVED LOVED the first movie like many many others did (which the FXH guys didn't seem to take to, which makes me less worried by Tarn's review).

Can't wait- this is 'pee my pants it's so ducking l33t' material here, and Bay has outdone himself- at least by the looks of the trailers- with delivering what he called 'a sequel of epic proportions, like literally epic proportions'.

I expect nothing less and will probably love this movie to death like I did the first; if not moreso. But then again, I'm a fan and appreciative person of Bay because I recognize his unrivaled and genius talent to orchestrate a very specific kind of movie- and I enjoyed Transformers more because of it.
Posted: Fri, 19th Jun 2009, 11:39pm

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Fox can go to blazes! This is perfection!



I'm kidding.

The first movie was okay: technically fantastic. However, I think the general plot was lackluster, if fairly funny. I liked Shia LaBeouf in the movie's I've seen him (Kingdom of Crystal Skull, Greatest Game Ever Played, and Transformers) so this movie might, might be worth a watch. I'm not super excited about it for anything but effects, unless the story really improves.
Posted: Sat, 20th Jun 2009, 12:32am

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Heh, I kind of forgot that this movie was even coming out... Well, I was planning on seeing it at the Midnight release, but it turns out that I'm going to be on vacation. I'm not complaining though, I bet it will still be awesome when I see it without all the nerds biggrin
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Transformers 2: Megan Fox is hot.
Posted: Sat, 20th Jun 2009, 7:12am

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I just watched the first one on DVD again, hoping I would find it better. Didn't work. It's still one of the worst films I've seen in cinema to date. sad
So I guess I won't bother with the second one in the cinema, but give it a watch on DVD to have a look at the visual effects, which I expect will be top notch!
Hopefully, they'll add an interesting MakingOf to it. There's not enough of that stuff.
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I find all this Megan Fox obsessing a bit odd. I mean, yeah, she's hot, but damn, she looks so... fake and superficial. All actresses do, to a certain extent, but with her, it's worse somehow. Plus, her body's ruined by horrible tattoos. Dunno, there are hotter women in Hollywood IMO.


As for Transformers, I thought it was really entertaining and well produced. It's not Sollthar-approved, high-grade scriptwriting material, but it's fun, so I'll probably go see this with some friends.
Posted: Sat, 20th Jun 2009, 10:46am

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Pooky wrote:

...fake and superficial....but with her, it's worse somehow.
Agreed, so without further ado, here's a list of 5 actresses who are (in my opinion) hotter than Fox:

1. The Divine

2. The Curves

3. The Eyes

4. The Legs

5. The Girl Next Door

6. The Fox

EDIT: Whether or not Cuthbert or Fox deserves the 5th place could go either way for me.

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Posted: Sat, 20th Jun 2009, 2:16pm

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Staff Only wrote:

Agreed, so without further ado, here's a list of 5 actresses who are (in my opinion) hotter than Fox:

1. The Divine

2. The Curves

3. The Eyes

4. The Legs

5. The Girl Next Door

6. The Fox
I think I know girls personally that look better than those actresses. One thing you need to remember is that those actresses look significantly different when they're not posing for a camera.
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Staff Only wrote:

Agreed, so without further ado, here's a list of 5 actresses who are (in my opinion) hotter than Fox:

1. The Divine

2. The Curves

3. The Eyes

4. The Legs

5. The Girl Next Door

6. The Fox
I agree with you about Summer, but that's it. smile
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Atom wrote:

But then again, I'm a fan and appreciative person of Bay because I recognize his unrivaled and genius talent to orchestrate a very specific kind of movie- and I enjoyed Transformers more because of it.
I agree on that point - Transformers 1 juggles lots of things in the air and Bay keeps them all flowing in a fun way. This is enabled by the story, which is largely very, very simple. The film has a structure that flows through "Sam's story" that makes everything cling together: you always have Sam as the central spine.

TF2 lacks that...there are so many random things spinning that it genuinely feels like Bay has no control over it. There's absolutely zero cohesive structure to the film - it's just a series of things that happen, largely irrespective of each other, then the film ends.

I defy anybody to come out of this film and not think that 'the Twins' ruined every single scene they were in, both with their vocal performances and their utterly bizarre Dobby-esque head designs.

TF1 was a great fun film with a few strange choices that spoiled it a little bit, but not enough to prevent it being highly enjoyable.

TF2 has SO MANY strange/awful bits that it undermines what little good is in the film. Even in a 'turn off your brain' way it fails, because the action and explosions are so samey. The first half works OK as it has some variety, but the entire finale is just unidentifiable robots fighting other unidentifiable robots in a generic sandy environment.

You could literally take pretty much any of the shots from the last 30-or-so minutes of the film, randomise their playback order, and have the same end result.

Despite my criticisms of it, TF1 never bored me, at any point.

TF2 is boring. That's one criticism I've never levelled at a Bay film before.
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Pooky wrote:

I find all this Megan Fox obsessing a bit odd. I mean, yeah, she's hot, but damn, she looks so... fake and superficial. All actresses do, to a certain extent, but with her, it's worse somehow. Plus, her body's ruined by horrible tattoos. Dunno, there are hotter women in Hollywood IMO.
Plus, she looks like an enormous b*tch. I also don't really get the fascination with her. I see better looking women walking down the street all day long.

But she appears to be a huge selling point for this movie. When I saw the trailer before Star Trek, the shot of her on the motorcycle was the only one that got a crowd reaction. Not really surprising, though. Little kids like Transformers, and then when those little kids are 14-16, they like Megan Fox and stuff blowing up.

Transformers 2: Megan Fox and big stuff blowing up. Your teenage son will love it.
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As Megan Fox herself said:

“I think it’s wonderful I’m viewed as a sex symbol. I didn’t decide I’m going be an actress because I want to be respected for how I play chess. Part of Hollywood is being perceived as attractive.”

and

"I really enjoy having sex, and that's offensive to some people."

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Posted: Sun, 21st Jun 2009, 3:29am

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Megan Fox wrote:

I think it’s wonderful I’m viewed as a sex symbol. I didn’t decide I’m going be an actress because I want to be respected for how I play chess. Part of Hollywood is being perceived as attractive.”
Yeah, well, "hotness" don't last forever! Chess skills will.

That seems kind of a shallow comment to make. Sounds like being a sex symbol is the center of her life or some such. It's important to some people, but in the end do you actually achieve anything? I don't think so. Anyway, there's more to being an actor than having teenage boys drool at you on the screen.

Maybe I'm taking acting too seriously. I've been known to do stuff like that. razz

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Posted: Sun, 21st Jun 2009, 8:00am

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The first quote makes sense but shows how shallow she is, but the second one is actually oddly clever.
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Saw this last night, my thoughts:

Firstly i find it amazing that anyone can make a boring Transformers film, however that is exactly what Michael Bay has done. Way to much screen time is given to the human characters and no where near enough to the robots themselves, I went to see a robot movie, give me my robots damn it!

You cant really call this movie an action film because to be honest, there isn't much in there. When we are treated to the "climatic finale" its just very lackluster and uninspiring. For most scenes its hard to tell one robot from another, this is made worse by the choppy editing and thousand camera angles, towards the end i just mentally switched off.

We do get a better Optimus Prime, he's more the hero i remember from the cartoon, and not the puny robot from the first movie. Its always nice to see the constantly lip glossed Megan fox on screen as well.

I also think that "the twins" are the Jar Jar Binks of transformers, and ruin every single scene they are in.

2/5 from me.
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I'd say that they're actually far worse than Jar Jar Binks - at least Binks had one or two scenes in which he wasn't annoying, or was in the background. The Twins ruin literally EVERY scene they're in. I really can't fathom how they ended up in the film in that incarnation.

Mark Kermode had an interesting comment on the unsavouryness of the whole experience. For what should be an inspiring, heroic kid's film, there's an awful lot of really bad stereotyping and thinly veiled mysogyny. Bay seems to have a very specific idea of what women are good for. Then you throw in the drugs references and 'comedy' swearing and it becomes so depressingly juvenile. It's a shame that such a traditionally 'moral' series has been transformed into something so...I dunno...debauched.
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i really liked the first one but i may be bias since i am a transformers fan. what i didnt like is they didnt have soundwave instead they had frenzy which was kinda stupid. ironic note in the series frenzy comes out of soundwave.
i didnt like how they ignored the decepticons character. other then a few brief dialoge none of them talked. i want to see starscream try to take over.
but those are mnor flaws. i cant wait to see what ravage looks like personaly.
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Tarn wrote:

I'd say that they're actually far worse than Jar Jar Binks - at least Binks had one or two scenes in which he wasn't annoying, or was in the background. The Twins ruin literally EVERY scene they're in. I really can't fathom how they ended up in the film in that incarnation.

Mark Kermode had an interesting comment on the unsavouryness of the whole experience. For what should be an inspiring, heroic kid's film, there's an awful lot of really bad stereotyping and thinly veiled mysogyny. Bay seems to have a very specific idea of what women are good for. Then you throw in the drugs references and 'comedy' swearing and it becomes so depressingly juvenile. It's a shame that such a traditionally 'moral' series has been transformed into something so...I dunno...debauched.
Interesting for sure, am i also right in thinking i heard the F-bomb dropped twice in the movie? i think i did.
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Hehe, while we're on the topic of Megan Fox: http://www.cracked.com/funny-243-megan-fox/
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First film was poor! Great action and special effects with utterly terrible robot design and a pretty crappy story - wasn't Transformers!

New film is even worse, with tons more robots which look exactly the same, new robots who make you want to kill yourself, and an even worse story!

I was not impressed.
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Wow. A Michael Bay movie almost put me to sleep. I'm kinda impressed actually...

What a terrible movie.
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Following your gradually increasing excitement on Twitter, followed by crushing disappointment, was a rollercoaster ride, Evman. smile
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Tarn wrote:

The Twins ruin literally EVERY scene they're in. I really can't fathom how they ended up in the film in that incarnation.
Really not Bay's fault, Tarn. I here twins generally ruin everything.
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Really not Bay's fault, Tarn. I here twins generally ruin everything.
Good one, Atom! biggrin

(Seriously that made me laugh out loud. Self-irony is always a win.) wink
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Tarn wrote:

Following your gradually increasing excitement on Twitter, followed by crushing disappointment, was a rollercoaster ride, Evman. smile
That's what Twitter is for, obviously!

But wow - I just woke up from a night's sleep and the movie still blows.
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Well, I did warn everyone!

What's perplexing about Transformers 2 isn't just that it's a crappy film in the story/characters/etc stakes - that can be said of most Bay films - but that it's so incredibly boring.

Usually when people complaing about Bay films the retort from his fans is along the lines of "yeah, but it's just meant to be big explodey fun! Stop being so serious!" Which made sense until TF2, which isn't even fun.
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If it is released on DVD as a 12, then young kids (which transformers was aimed for) won't be able to see it. Which is ridiculous. Would you make an 18 rated film of Winnie the Pooh?
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Crazy Director wrote:

Would you make an 18 rated film of Winnie the Pooh?
Thats already been done. I've seen an x rated version of that.
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Heh, funny to see all the 'I know people better' with the Megan Fox bashing. I've not caught the 'craze' - that happened for me with Jessica Alba, but come on. I know that 90% of you people on here don't know people like Megan Fox or don't see them on a day-to-day basis.

Eastern and Central Europe, Canada, Midwest and North in the United States? Nah, dollars to doughnuts you don't see people that attractive on a regular basis. The only person I'll believe here is Henri, because he's from Cali. Other than that, I'm almost positive you're all full of it. biggrin

This is why I'm glad I grew up in the South.
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Limey12345 wrote:

Crazy Director wrote:

Would you make an 18 rated film of Winnie the Pooh?
Thats already been done. I've seen an x rated version of that.
Somehow I feel like you shouldn't be broadcasting that.
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So are you guys sure it's really boring? Cause Pirates 3 was said to be boring but I thought it was good. So are you sure you all aren't exaggerating a bit? How could a Transformers movie be boring? lol and what's wrong with explosions?

I might go see this this week and I'll probably like it like I did the first one. Most of you here hated the first one so I'm not really worrying about your reviews so far.

And what's with the Megan Fox obsession? Why would you go see a PG-13 movie cause it got a hot girl in it? If it was at least R I'd understand. Gosh you all acting like you've never seen a pretty girl before. smile
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It's beyond boring. The first hour is actually really well done - and I enjoyed it. But then there's a very notable scene towards the middle which is AWESOME - followed by a montage of AWESOME. After that - the next hour and a half is mindnumbingly boring.

It's like you're on a rollercoaster, and have to pull the damn car up the track yourself. And when you get to the top, there isn't even a fun drop to look forward to - just pain.

I LOVED Transformers 1 - but this is right up there alongside Spiderman 3 as one of the most disappointing sequels ever. It's not quite Spidey 3 bad - but it's close.

It's a shame, cause there were some genuinely good moments in it... SPOILERS HEREAFTER!



Optimus' death scene was unbelievably awesome - and the subsequent montage of all the Decepticons arriving on Earth was really awesome. But I couldn't help but feel that his death was shortchanged a bit. We hardly saw any real reaction to his death from any of the autobots in particular. Nor from the commandos of NEST. If my leader died, I'd be a bit more emotional about it than came across in the movie.

Same thing with when they fake killed Shia (which was pretty bull$hit anyway). I thought Megan Fox actually delivered a surprisingly good performance for this scene. But she was of course upstaged by Bumblebee, who's reaction nearly made me cry. Any time Bumblebee was onscreen, the movie was redeemed a lot in my eyes - cause he's always been a very strong character.

One scene that I found surprisingly well done was the scene towards the end with Sam telling his parents to run and them having to let him go. For some reason I really really liked this scene. Perhaps it's because it's more relevant to my life - having just gone off too college last year - the not-so-subtle metaphor of the parents having to "let go" of their son. The role reversal of the two parents was really cool and the acting was surprisingly solid across the board. Maybe it's just me - I can see how that scene wouldn't play as well for other people as it did for me.

Basically a lot of the human drama actually worked a lot more than the robot stuff did - which is really really counter inuitive considering the director.

As for the bad, well there was a lot of it. From racist depictions of robots to shoddy dialouge to annoyingly unfunny attempts at humor to robot testicles (you heard me) to new robots that generally looked pretty bad. Only the hero models from the first film like Optimus, Bumblebee, and to some extent Megatron looked good. Everything else looked horribly CG.

There were pointless characters - namely Sam's roommate and the girl who turned out to be a "Terminator" Transformer with a hilarious tounge.


But the biggest sin of this movie - as Tarn has pointed out - is that it's boring. How could Transformers possibly be boring? After 15 minutes of the ending battle that goes on for at least 45 minutes, you will understand what I mean. It's unbelievable. It defies logic. I was nearly asleep at several points during the whole ordeal.

That combined with a convoluted plot that makes no sense and pointless additions just for the sake of "more" make it just plain too much.

If I were the writers, I would have kept the structure of the first hour mostly intact - and then cut out an hour of the next hour and a half of the movie. Pointless "go to place y to retrieve artifact x" quests made it feel like a bad videogame. There is basically no action from about an hour into the movie until the final battle - a solid hour of nothing. There are a lot of robots, but they don't fight each other and stuff doesn't blow up for nearly an hour. It's amazing that Michael Bay let THAT happen.


Gah I could go on and on. And on... And on... And on... Just like the movie itself. razz
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I haven't seen it yet but from the stuff that I've been browsing through in this topic, I am no longer excited for it ha. I'll prob see it tonight or tomorrow but I've also seen (and I'm sure you all as well) some stuff on the news/web about some racial misconceptions in the film.
Do the "black themed" robots (Negroids) really act that black? Haha
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CX3 wrote:


Do the "black themed" robots (Negroids) really act that black? Haha
Yes. There is even a scene where they reveal they are illiterate. And I'm not joking.
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Rating: +2

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Limey12345 wrote:

Crazy Director wrote:

Would you make an 18 rated film of Winnie the Pooh?
Thats already been done. I've seen an x rated version of that.
Sounds like something on Robot Chicken.

Does anybody watch it?
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SPOILERS HEREIN.

Evman wrote:

It's beyond boring. The first hour is actually really well done - and I enjoyed it.
Yeah agreed, the first hour I enjoyed. The idea of the humans forming an alliance with the Autobots was very cool and reminded me of cool stuff from the comic. The college stuff was fun.

Optimus' death scene was unbelievably awesome - and the subsequent montage of all the Decepticons arriving on Earth was really awesome.
Yeah, although you have to wonder why there's loads of random Transformers just waiting around in space. Similar to how all the American military managed to show up in the desert in about 10 minutes, despite them being in the middle of the desert...

But I couldn't help but feel that his death was shortchanged a bit. We hardly saw any real reaction to his death from any of the autobots in particular. Nor from the commandos of NEST. If my leader died, I'd be a bit more emotional about it than came across in the movie.
Yeah. That should have been a Gandalf-falling-into-Kazad'dum moment. But this shows how Bay and his writers have no idea how to handle the robot characters. Ironhide, Ratchet and the new Autobots all get relegated to random background characters, so you don't know how they react to anything.

Super lame.

Prime's death was handled SOOOOOooooo much better in both the original 1986 cartoon movie and the UK comic book.

Any time Bumblebee was onscreen, the movie was redeemed a lot in my eyes - cause he's always been a very strong character.
Partially, except they made the stupid decision to remove his voice again. Most of the time his characterisation and behaviour was like having a pet dog, rather than an intelligent robot.

In fact, Bumblebee's characterisation is kinda insulting to mute people. smile

One scene that I found surprisingly well done was the scene towards the end with Sam telling his parents to run and them having to let him go.
Agreed. That was one of the few moments where I felt some actual emotion and involvement. I'm pretty sure Bay instantly underminded it with some stupid Twins humour immediately afterwards, though.

But, yeah, Sam's dad was awesome in the film. Even Turturro was loads better than in the first one.

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Really, really bad. I kept trying to tell myself that what I was seeing was fun, and not embarrassing. I had to stop pretending after about 10 minutes. It was mainly just boring, and the twins + jetfire would have destroyed it even if it had been a great film, which it was definately not.
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Those twins ruined the entire film for me. I'm wondering how anybody could possibly have confidence after writing 90% of the lines in that script. Dear God. I was close to shouting, "Dammit!" when the red twin wasn't killed by the gigantor suck-machine.

And, not that I have virgin ears, but do ROBOTS have to swear, call people a b*tch, pussy, asshole, etc.? Seriously? It cheapened the film to an unbearable extent.

The beginning hour or so was the only the only good part to me. The first encounter with Megatron was an obvious reply to the people who complained about Optimus Prime getting his ass handed to him in the first one.

I disliked this movie like no other in so many ways, and what really gets to me is that a lot of people called it the "best movie they've ever seen," which makes me lose a little more faith in humanity.

1/10.
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Fill wrote:

And, not that I have virgin ears, but do ROBOTS have to swear, call people a b*tch, pussy, asshole, etc.? Seriously? It cheapened the film to an unbearable extent.
Yeah, that goes back to the 'debauched' feeling of the entire film that I mentioned a page or two back. The amount and strength of sex and drug references plus the swearing was completely out of context with the actual story, setting and characters.

It's genuinely like they took all the worst parts of TF1 - Frenzy, "My bad", Bumblebee's golden shower - and expanded them to fill the entire movie.

It's odd, because most sequels in recent times have learnt from the mistakes of the first film, identifying what worked and what didn't. TF2 seems to have successfully identified this, but then inexplicably got it the wrong way around, dumping the good stuff and emphasising the crud.
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i have to disagree with almost all of you. yes i will say that TF2 isn't perfect by any standards, but im not going to thrash it. they did a lot of things better in TF2 that everyone is ignoring. For example, they brought in Soundwave. they made the tension between starscream and megatron apparent. in the first one there were robots i've never heard of and im a follower of the series. barricade and blackout were never in the series and Frenzy wasn't what he was in the movie. Frenzy is supposed to be a little guy with cylinder shaped arms that stomps the ground really fast and make earthquakes. You all are getting so cought up in this movie that you forget what its supposed to do, entertain. and that is what it did. and on top of that the robots had much better character then in the first one. except the twins not much character there but they were in maybe ten minutes of the film actually talking. i cant compare that to jar jar like some do
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ahartwig01 wrote:

For example, they brought in Soundwave.
Yes, he was very cool. Looked cool, sounded cool.

And they then made him hump a satellite for the entire movie not actually do anything. Is he still sitting up there at the end of the film, wondering where everybody's gone?

they made the tension between starscream and megatron apparent.
They had one scene that didn't seem to really have anything to do with the rest of the movie. A bit like in Transformers 1.

You all are getting so cought up in this movie that you forget what its supposed to do, entertain. and that is what it did.
From the comments here, it's pretty clear that it didn't entertain quite a few of us. None of us expected a masterpiece of subtle filmmaking, but we did expect Fun with a capital Bay. Instead, the second half of the film somehow managed to actually be boring.

and on top of that the robots had much better character then in the first one.
Yeah, Ironhide and Ratchet really had some great character development in this one. Oh wait...no, they didn't. They just hung around in the background of every shot like the black guy in Ghostbusters.

What robot character development was there? I don't remember any worth speaking of, unless you count turning Megatron from a terrifying, megalomaniacal leader into a rubbish minion of 'The Fallen' development.

except the twins not much character there but they were in maybe ten minutes of the film actually talking. i cant compare that to jar jar like some do
I don't know the actual screentime, but it felt like more than 10 minutes. Either way, they had more screentime and more dialogue than Optimus Prime.

Think about that.

The Twins had more screentime and dialogue than Optimus Prime.
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I just found out some new information, and I'm pretty confused by it.

I'll open the question up to everyone: how the hell did the Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman write Star Trek, create an absolutely compelling storyline, while highlighting the characters extremely well then turn around and write an incredibly awful Transformers 2 script?!

The two movies, one being my favorite of the year, the other being the most disappointing written by the same people? I'm puzzled.
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It's called Executive Producers.

Also, I haven't seen Transformers 2, but if it's boring - as mentioned - then it should be no different from Bad Boys 2. BB2 was a lot of posturing and slowmotion and action, but it went nowhere for an hour, then got dragged out. I still can't watch the movie all the way through.

However, I still think it's a very entertaining movie. I can't imagine Bay would disappoint in terms of raw entertainment. Does he?
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Fill wrote:

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1/10.
I just had to ignore all you said in your post after seeing the rating you gave. A 1/10? Seriously? No professional movie on earth deserve a 1. I just can't take anything you say about any movie seriously from now on. It sounds to me like you already had that rating for the movie before you even saw it, and just couldn't wait to jump the bandwaggon. I can respect anyone not liking a movie(still don't understand how anyone can HATE a movie) but a 1/10 just don't make sense to me.
But that's might be just me, I just can't take a review seriously if the rating is below a 3.
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ben3308 wrote:

I can't imagine Bay would disappoint in terms of raw entertainment. Does he?
Yes he does. It is a tedious affair.
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the scene with megatron and starscream was needed to show the tension between the two characters for the fans of the series. evernody knows starscream wants to take over the command of the decepticons and soundwave comes off the satelite when they attack the naval fleet protecting megatron and then he delivers the global message using the satellite.
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RodyPolis wrote:

I just had to ignore all you said in your post after seeing the rating you gave.
I'm quoting your post in its entirety because I'm not an ass.

A 1/10? Seriously? No professional movie on earth deserve a 1. I just can't take anything you say about any movie seriously from now on.
Okay. For every movie you make, I'll post a review raving how good it is.

It sounds to me like you already had that rating for the movie before you even saw it, and just couldn't wait to jump the bandwaggon.
I listen to indie music. I don't like bandwagons.

I can respect anyone not liking a movie(still don't understand how anyone can HATE a movie) but a 1/10 just don't make sense to me. But that's might be just me, I just can't take a review seriously if the rating is below a 3.
If you haven't found a movie you hate yet, may I suggest 2girls1cup? Also, why are you taking any reviews seriously? They're simply opinions given by other people.
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Fill wrote:

I listen to indie music. I don't like bandwagons.
Sorry, couldn't let this pass: I listen to music I like. If I think Muse is a genius band, them being uber popular won't change my opinion. In other words, if you really want to be yourself and not jump on bandwagons, then don't jump on the "omg popular stuff sucks" bandwagon, just pick and choose.

As you were.
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Bad Boys 2 was highly entertaining, but not a "Good" film. (Just had to get that out of the way)


Transformers 1 falls into the same category. If Transformers 2 DOESN'T, I'll be somewhat disappointed. I'm not watching it for it's spectacular storyline, I'm watching it because I want to see some good cinematography, some explosions, and some entertaining characters.

I know a lot of people disagree about this, but I really don't think this toy franchise ever had potential for deep story/character development due to it's inherently absurd premise.
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Fill wrote:


Okay. For every movie you make, I'll post a review raving how good it is.
Not a bad idea smile Keep in mind I said professional movies, so anything I make right now don't count.

I read reviews so I get an idea on what to expect cause I hate going to a movie expecting too much(like I did Terminator Salvation)

But I do tend to ignore extreme ratings such as 10/10 or 1/10.

BTW I've heard of 2 girls and a cup, ya I probably would hate that lol
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Pooky wrote:

Sorry, couldn't let this pass: I listen to music I like. If I think Muse is a genius band, them being uber popular won't change my opinion. In other words, if you really want to be yourself and not jump on bandwagons, then don't jump on the "omg popular stuff sucks" bandwagon, just pick and choose.
Oh, no, no. I wholeheartedly agree. I don't think popular stuff sucks; I just think a lot of popular stuff is trash because it's unoriginal and stiff; and artists refuse to do anything experimental or new. But, honestly, many bands tend to get worse as they become more popular. The really good bands are the ones that become ridiculously popular and still do great things.

P.S. Muse is awesome.
P.S.S. So is Radiohead.
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I just watched it.... Dang!
I don't want to say it was bad but some parts really were.

I recall that there were Autobot twins in the original cartoon named Sunstreaker and Sideswipe... uh? They were never annoying like the disaster they chose to put in T2. Really dude? For one they were not in the least bit funny. I know no ones every really met an alien robot so why would you give one much less two... a human personality? WTF!? Sorry to offend anyone but that was mighty lame and a waste of time!!!

Ironhide and Ratchet were left to mill in the background to fill up space like 2 NPCs' in a D&D game. You have 2 great characters but you choose to give more screen time to 2 twins that are beyond worthless, dude they couldn't even read.

Ahh poor Optimus was the only Autobot that acted like himself.
As already stated... His death and the battle that led up to it, was screwed up by the lack of any emotional reaction from Sam and his fellow Autobots. Hell dude... Even the Decepticons failed to have a good and proper celebration over the defeat of their long lived foe. It was a damned good fight though.

Oh man... Megatron is an underling!?
That happened once with Unicron but that lasted less than a day. That's worse than those damned twins.

I sorta liked the take on Soundwave and Ravage. Still the same teamwork and interaction with each other as in the cartoon but with a little more style. Soundwave was the intel gathering and coordination guy and Ravage was the Special forces or black ops guy. Not bad but not great.

I liked the Human Autobot co op thing they had going on. Hunting Decepticons... mmm hmm. A good concept had it not been for the government guy that was trying to break it up. Yeah um not so much. If the guy was more serious and not another comedy sidekick because there were so many in this flick, it'd be alright. I mean come on dude... how many of those guys do you really need to bring some humor into a movie that was already funny with the cast it had before? I'm telling you dude... Somebody high up, knew that those twins were gonna suck a big fat bull donkey so they threw as much humor in there as they could.

So that's about it, that's all I've got for you. Not bad but not great.
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I'll be in the overwhelming minority here, but:

I absolutely loved it. Possibly the biggest-scale movie ever. Definitely one of the most masterfully-orchestrated action movies I've ever seen.

Where Transformers failed, this movie sidestepped and completely succeeded. In my opinion, this movie was EXCELLENT. And it also managed to do something I saw being impossible: make Megan Fox actuallly act. Not only act, but I genuinely liked her in it! I found her funny and with good chemistry with Shia, something the first movie missed. I found myself caring about the plot, about Optimus, and about the fate of the world and characters- even on such an epic, massive scale- in a way I haven't felt since, well, Bay's Armaggeddon.

10/10. I am not even close to kidding. I am truly amazed at the animosity this movie is receiving- and BORING????!!?!? No way! Where Transformers kind of pulled together too auckly in the end, tuis movie knows how to properly pace. Don't listen to any of them, Bryce. This is Bay's best work since Armaggeddon- and it even comes close to that. I don't care what kind of flack I'll inevitably get for saying all this- this was THE Transformers film for all Transformers' films. You're smoking crack if you think ANYONE or ANY movie about Transformers could be better.

Technicals achieve a complexity in direction no one else on the planet but Bay could pull off, and it's done with humorous and dramatic flow that just....works. Bravo, Michael Bay. You take all this bullshit for a movie this amazing- I couldn't do it, or even come close to making it.

You're my new filmmaking hero.
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Thought I'd give my $.02 if it's worth anything-

First off, our ol' pal Michael Bay. I'm a huge Bay fanboy. He's a commercial director, not a film director. He knows how to sell things and make scenes visually interesting.

I personally, really liked it. I was never into Transformers growing up, and I think that made it better. People have to realize that the movie is based on the toys/cartoons/whatever they were. If you're looking for it to follow the originals, you are soon to be disappointed. Movies never follow the material that they are based off. Nor should they.

I went in knowing I was going to see explosions and slick camera moves. The twins didn't bug me at all. I liked the relationship between Sam and his parents, as well as Mikaela. Megan Fox's acting, although not great, certainly impressed me in this movie. Showing that she can actually show emotion instead of just standing there and being hot.

CGI and all that of course was top notch.

The story followed the basic format, and I think this was were it was a little weak, because a lot of things were pretty obvious. I think the 3rd act was probably about an hour.

The Fallen was pretty weak. He was kinda like a loud fart. You think it's going to be a big deal, but all it does is smell a little and its soon gone.

*Spoiler*

As well as the auto bots and Sam's reaction to Optimus dying. First off, I"m so glad Sam didn't scream "Nooooooooooooooooo" Later we see Sam's reaction, he's crying, thinks it's his fault, etc. It doesn't really seem like they could have done more.

The auto bots came in, picked Sam up, and left, which I think fits. The only reactions we saw later were the twins, who didn't offer much to the scene, as well as Bumble Bee. Bumble Bee did offer Sam some pump up-ness. The rest we didn't even see.

*End Spoiler*

The deaths in this film also felt more personal for me, especially for those in the armed forces. Having the caskets carried off of the plane in the beginning hit me. As well as seeing the sailors floating in the water, getting thrown off of the aircraft carrier. Or seeing the pilots "bracing for impact" in the black hawk when it was going down. It was these "little" details that I liked.

Don't get me wrong, I saw some faults. Some of the lines were bad, the editing was out of a place a little in some scenes, pretty basic stuff.

If you're a fan and want to go see a movie made for you, go see Watchmen, if you're a Watchmen fan. That movie did not do too well at the box office. Transformers 2 on the other hand, is doing great so far. This industry is about making movies that are going to sell, as well as finding a director who can not only handle a big budget, but bring the film under budget. If Bay continues to do this, he is going to continue making movies for a long time.

It's a huge ramble, I know, but whateva...
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Bravo, Michael Bay. You take all this bullshit for a movie this amazing
I agree wholeheartedly.

I can't begin to articulate my disdain at the negative things that have been said about this movie, but.........it wasn't boring. It was fun. It was a rush.

I didn't like the first one, and I went into this with no expectations. I loved every minute of it. It's got silly bits, but then again robots that turn into passenger-less cars are silly as-is. In the original, Megatron just turned into a big gun. Come on, now. It's a movie based on toys, and as Atom mentioned it was INSANELY epic. Michael Bay upped the ante here.

How many extras were there? Two thousand? Ten thousand? More? Jesus Christ, this movie was huge and epic and fun. How were you poor souls BORED?!?!?!?

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Interesting to finally see some people that actually liked it!

Obviously I disagree massively with you all but given that I'm familiar with the concept of 'differing opinions' (apparently unlike RodyPolis) that doesn't particularly bother me.

However, this statement is just silly:

You're smoking crack if you think ANYONE or ANY movie about Transformers could be better.
I'm glad that you liked the movie, but don't embarass yourself by making ignorant statements. wink For starters, Transformers 1 is vastly better than the sequel! razz
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Atom wrote:

I absolutely loved it. Possibly the biggest-scale movie ever.
Yay! Thanks for that Atom!

I've been skimming this thread (trying to avoid spoilers) to see your review as I hoped it would give me some hope for the film.

ben3308 wrote:

How were you poor souls BORED?!?!?!?
This to. Thank you. I will try to catch TF2 within the week.
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Jrad wrote:

If you're a fan and want to go see a movie made for you, go see Watchmen, if you're a Watchmen fan. That movie did not do too well at the box office. Transformers 2 on the other hand, is doing great so far.
I'm confused. What's your point?

Just because lots of people see a movie doesn't mean it's good.

Just because only a few people see a movie doesn't mean it's bad.

And vice versa.

Just because you liked TF2 doesn't mean that you have to try to invalidate the opinion of those people who didn't like it.

People have different tastes, we're cool with that. smile
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i forget who said this but someone said the twins were in the series and one was named sideswipe.
this is false, there was a sideswipe in the series but he was a part of the decepticon air fleet along with starscream and soundbite. just thought whoever said that would want to know that.
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That's also false, if we're talking about G1 (ie, the one that matters): Sideswipe was an Autobot in both the comics and the cartoon.
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If there is a version of Transformers where Sideswipe (and his brother Sunstreaker) are not Autobots then its clearly rubbish!

I'm honestly shocked that some people, who didn't like the first film, can like Transformers 2 so much. Both films are poor, but 2 is clearly worse. smile
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Bryce007 wrote:

I know a lot of people disagree about this, but I really don't think this toy franchise ever had potential for deep story/character development due to it's inherently absurd premise.
I agree that the toy franchise never had much chance, nor something based off the cartoon. The UK comics, however, were a whole other beast (how well known are they in the US?) that took a completely different approach and showed just how damn good Transformers stories could really be when handled by a good writer. The scope and character development in those woudl translate exceedingly well to a movie series.

I suspect Bay & co are not overly familiar with the UK comics. unsure
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Yeah I was thinking of gen 1. I may be old but I do still remember stuff. And I was talking about the gen 1. cartoon, not any other cartoon or this new flick. Oh and they made Jetfire and old man in TF2!? Wow!

Hey Tarn... Is that IDW you're talking about? My brother has a ton of those Transformers comics along with, who know how many others from other companies. Dude really loves his comics. Do you guys have a comic company on your side of town that does Transformers comics? Link please?

p.s
I agree, as far as I'm concerned gen 1. is the only one that really matters to me. Although I did kinda like Beast wars and Beast Machines even though they went off the beaten path.

And I don't see why some folks have to become overly upset because not everyone either only likes part of the movie or doesn't like anypart of the movie.
For those guys... really dude, just watch and enjoy the damned thing and be satisfied. If it's that big a deal to you why others don't like the movie then read their posts. If you read them... really read them without throwing a tantrum over their statements, you'll realize that not everyone is trash talking the movie. Thier just saying that they didn't care for it... so let it go and stop making a mountain out of a mole hill... please? biggrin
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ah in G1 Sidespwipe was a member of the decepticon air fleet. he wasnt in G2 though cause starscream killed him lol
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Rating: -2

I should have bet on Ben/Atom's reaction to this movie. I would have won big money... sad
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I have to tag along with Atom here... Again.

Spoiler warnings just in case.

For starters.. What does comics do? Entertain. Visually, comically, dramaticly and any other -ly word you may come up with. Along with it comes somewhat a story. Not necessarily a deep one.

If you want stories, go grab a book from the library, stay away from the comics.

Personally I loved the twins, I loves the robot-balls, and I specially loved the oldie and his metal pole of a cane. Forgetting all about how those possibly could have made sense in the library, and putting all the "oh but it's so unrealistic"-crap away, those can actually be quite hillarious. Why don't you try loosen up the smiley-muscles and enjoy it?

I swear I must have yelled "NICE" or "Awesome!!" at least a dozen time into my cousin's ear. When I didn't, he did. We did say "Wtf?" simultaneously as we saw a robot with testicles climbing a pyramid, though just found it funny and laughed about it. Call it a "production-failure" in the robot factory.



The first movie is always the best, because it's original and you don't know what to expect.
What Transformer 2 succeeded with where most sequels fails; It didn't let me down as a pure 140-ish minute action/fantasy/robotswithballs film.

In a film with alien robots, constructs hidden in pyramids to eat suns like pac-man eats yellow dots and hot babes assaulting you in your own bed with a sexy metallic cat-like tail (I'll have two!), I don't expect realism. Maybe the transformer's A.I is so brilliant it figures if they act like humans they are more accepted by them?

I'd sure hell love a crazy robot on roller-skates singing something than one sitting on is ass picking up dust & talking in binary codes.


When we left the cinema, the first thing my cousin said was: "Those visual effects were AWESOME! I've never seen ANYTHING like it."



So I suppose I could say:

Watch the movie IF:
You like pure entertainment, explosions, big robots with humor, sort of comic-style.

Grab another ticket IF:
You like things that make sense and has some deep book-like story.
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Hehehe.

Love the Twins.

I really couldnt care less. After reading what was on this post I wasnt expecting much.

THe vfx were awesome in my opinion and the film was okay.

The Twins made me laugh though if im truthfully honest razz
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Evman wrote:

I should have bet on Ben/Atom's reaction to this movie. I would have won big money... sad
Actually I don't think you would have, as the odds were just to good. No-one would have taken that bet. razz
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Rating: +1/-2

EDIT: SPOILERS HEREIN!

Can anyone who actually enjoyed this movie and wasn't bored and is complaining about other people being bored (I'm looking in your general directions Ben and/or Atom) please name for me one action scene that happened between the arrival of the Decepticons after Prime's death and the start of the final battle? That's basically a complete hour, in case you were wondering.

Please? Just one is all I want.

It baffles me how people are so blinded by what they think a Michael Bay movie is (non-stop action) that they can't seem to realize that this movie had very little action. The opening sequence, the battle leading up to Prime's death, and the final battle are really the only actiony moments of the whole damn 2.5 hour MICHAEL BAY movie.

Sure, there are plenty of effects - but most of them are the f**king twins doing something racist. Or Jetfire being a stupid old man. Or Wheelie being an annoying, smaller version of Joe Pesci.

Take two steps back - and think about it for just a second.


I'm not saying a movie needs action to keep it from being boring - but when the story is as piss-poor as this one is, SOMETHING has to fill the gap.

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Hmm.. Spoiler alert there, Ev. I didn't know Prime Dies until I read your post...
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I don't really know what to think of this film. It was fair. The action scenes were excellent, but I don't have much to say about the rest.
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Bryce007 wrote:

Hmm.. Spoiler alert there, Ev. I didn't know Prime Dies until I read your post...
Sorry Bryce. I made sure to put spoiler alerts in my first post about this film... I incorrectly assumed that that assumption would carry over into my subsequent posts. Sorry about that unsure .
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Alright I got around to seeing it last night. Go figure I actually ended up being excited before hand. I was thinking I was going to be agreeing with Ben/Atom after watching the first hour or so. I thought it was gonna be great fun and didn't understand how people were saying that they got bored.

Then after about an hour of seeing nothing I thought to myself "What the hell? I'm bored and I don't give a damn about all this story they are trying to cram down my throat. I mean at least make it interesting if you're going to do that. All I really wanted to do is see some robots fighting each other and the movie gave me a very small portion of it.

There were only a few lines were I laughed at the twins (Like, twice). Other than that, they were cheap/cliche comic relief that got WAY too much screen time. Who was the cocky badass that cut the car in half at the beginning of the movie?? Why didn't we get to see move of him destroying Decepticons? Stupid stupid stupid.

Don't get me wrong, when the good stuff happened, it was great. But there was only about %20-%25 percent of entertaining stuff throughout this film (If that). In all honesty, I think 45min to an hour should have been left on the edit room floor. God I was bored. And after Atom gave it a perfect score and claimed Bay as his "New Filmmaking Hero" (And Ben basically agreeing with him) I can officially say that the two of you make no sense ha. 10/10???



... 10/10??????????



Just thinking about the low score number I want to give this movie is making me bored.
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That bad-ass as you put it was Sideswipe who in the original cartoon had a twin brother named Sunstreaker. Someone keeps confusing him with some other Sideswipe that I've never heard of. Now that's a set of twins I wouldn't have minded seeing with more screen time along with Ratchet and Ironhide. And I still think it's lame to give a super advanced and super intelligent robot and his twin a very sterotypical and human personality so that someone's pre-teen will relate to them.
Yeah dude, that's cool because a lot of little kids actually speak like that so they can fit in. NOT!
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*SPOILERS*
Just got back from watching this with my 8-year old. Where to start... where to start.
All the transformations at the begining where pathetic, in that I couldn't see any of it. To close and to shaky. Loved the slow mo fighting between robots though, because I could see them clearly.

Did I hear the robot at the begining say "punk ass deceptacon" - the robot dialogue was so bad. Especisally the twins, who were ponitless, added nothing to the film, the film would have been no different without them. Those who say they were comic relief, what about the small robot from sam's house. Everyone in the cinema was laughing when he was humpin Megan's leg. The twins weren't needed at all.

I thought that optimus was supposed to be tough, in the cartoon the autobots were relieved when he turned up, and the decpetocons sh!t themselves, even megatron, because prime kicked ass.

Prime dying was pointless, we knew he was going to be brought back, but why didn't Sam use his splinter of the all-spark to bring prime back, if the other shard brought megatron back, surely it would havbe done the same for prime.

And the fallen, where had he been all this time, as soon as the key thing showed up he flew down, kicking ass, why wasn't he on earth destroying everything looking for it. If they could find that deceptacon defector, surely the fallen could find the four or five primes in the sand.

Very poor film, entertaining if your easily pleased.
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Jrad wrote:

Movies never follow the material that they are based off. Nor should they.
Um, yeah, they most definitely should if the movie advertises itself to be based off of original shows/toys/comics. I'm not agreeing with every bookworm that complained about the Lord of the Rings movies and their inconsistency with the novels, I'm saying that a film adaption of something like Transformers should at least respect the original material. Transformers 2 completely failed to do this. I never really watched the show or read the comics, but from the comments I've seen here, the makers of the film were less concerned with making a Transformers movie than making an unnecessary amount of action with an hour-long period of who-knows-what.

This film looked good, the action scenes played out great, and the humor was obviously meant to entertain people (not the most intelligent of people looking at the jokes they put in), but that's completely meaningless when the pacing was completely off and the story was... well, I don't know what to call the story, while this movie was missing a certain depth to it that I highly admire in movies; most films at least try to achieve a certain depth, but this movie just said, "Let's make some sh*t blow up!"

I'm impressed by the accomplishment that was this movie; I can hardly see it as an attempt in advancing the blessed art of film, but more of a way to make a lot of money. For this, I don't exactly like Michael Bay as a director, yet I still respect him for what he does.
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Oh, good. I was hoping this would turn into another tirade against my opinion!
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I agree with Fill.
Alot of actors and directors when interviewed, say that whatever comic or cartoon based movie adaptation that they're involved with, is holding true to it's original roots and what the fans know but they rarely do. I'm just talking about TF2... not X-men, Spider-man Blade or a few others. Perhaps they should warn us that when they say they are being true to the characters... that they are actually pulling a 180 and going in the opposite direction. That's really one of the only problems that I have with comic and cartoon based movies.

Don't get me wrong, I love seeing these characters put in different situations. Just like in the "What if" Marvel series or "Else worlds" D.C. series. With those books you always knew what you where getting into and learned to expect something far darker than what was written in the regular titles.

With these movies... Yeah um, not so much because they tell you one thing and do a whole other thing. That's why I don't get it when some folks complain about the fans that actually read the books or watched the cartoons who complain because they were lead to believe to expect something like the original book or show that they watched. Oh but guess what? The writers, directors or what have you, failed to deliver on what they told you to expect. That's really why you get the moaning and crying from the diehard fans. That's why people get bored, that's why people fall asleep, that's why people think whatever particular movie sucked.
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I can't believe all the negativiity surrounding this movie. I went out to see it today, expecting to be let down, but I was blown away. The twin robots were possibly the only "bad" thing about it. The visual effects were mind-blowing, and the plot was actually pretty good. Nothing amazing, but just enough to make me enjoy the movie.

Megan Fox actually ACTED, which is surprising, as she's been more of a "sit there and look pretty" actress in the last movie. As Atom stated, Shia and Megan seemed to have actual chemistry. This film had every essential that an action movie should have, so it gets a two thumbs up from me. I'd say it didn't quite pass up Star Trek on my favorite movies of the year so far, but it's #2 for sure.

The music was also fantastic.
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Tommy Gundersen wrote:

If you want stories, go grab a book from the library, stay away from the comics.
Sorry, I stopped paying much attention to your post after that. smile

spydurhank wrote:

Hey Tarn... Is that IDW you're talking about? My brother has a ton of those Transformers comics along with, who know how many others from other companies. Dude really loves his comics. Do you guys have a comic company on your side of town that does Transformers comics? Link please?
No, not the IDW ones, they're pretty recent. I'm talking the original G1 comics from the 1980s, published by Marvel. Marvel UK did a whole line that weren't published in the US (until near the end of the run, at least), mostly written by Simon Furman, and they were pretty amazing.
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Ah okay, I remember those as well. Back when Marvel also did GI Joe right? The kid talking about Sideswipe being a badguy was kinda throwing me off for a bit. I'm thinking G1 as in the original but he's also saying that what he's talking about it G1. Must be something that I haven't heard of.
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Megan Fox was pointless in this film, the only reason she was in the film is obvious from her oppening scene. And the numerous, slow motion runs towards the camera, tits bouncing everywhere, in the words of Borat "I like", but remove her from the film and nothing changes.
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This was actually pretty good. I can definitely understand where the criticism is coming from though. smile

The first hour was excellent. The pacing was done really well. Things get a little tedious after the forest battle, especially the Jetfire stuff, but the film picked up again for the long (but still kind of awesome) finale.

While I obviously don't like the twins, I don't really have a problem with them. The way people were complaining about them, I thought they would have had larger roles, which they really don't. They definitely don't take over any scenes. I actually liked most of the humorous moments... the mom, college, John Turturro... all great stuff. I think there was a lot less "stupid" humor (like the bots destroying Sam's yard in the first one).

Of course, all the technical stuff is perfect. The visual effects are probably the best I have ever seen. The editing, music, and sound design are all great too.

There are a few flaws. At 2.5 hours, it's waaay too long. I'm probably pissing off all my friends (who think this is the best movie ever) with my current facebook status: "Transformers 2 = the movie that would not end...". Halfway through the final battle, I wanted the movie to end. There's definitely stuff that should have been cut from the film, like the college girl who wasn't exactly human, and some of the Jetfire stuff.

I'll probably have to see this again, but those are my thoughts for now. Gosh, my brain feels like mush, but I guess that's what witnessing an awesome-filled Michael Bay film can do to you. smile I might go as far as to say it's better than the first one, only because third act is far superior to than the first film's. The first film kind of fell apart during the city battle, whereas the final battle in this film was really strong.

9/10
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Dear People That Like This Film,

Please have a read of the following article and then explain, rationalise or vaguely retcon each of the points:

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/smg-transformers-10-questions.html

I would greatly appreciate you doing this, not only to hopefully help me make sense of this movie and perhaps enjoy it more than I do currently, but also because it would be extremely funny.

Many thanks.

Love,
Tarn
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That's freaking funny dude! biggrin
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Tarn wrote:

Dear People That Like This Film,

Please have a read of the following article and then explain, rationalise or vaguely retcon each of the points:

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/smg-transformers-10-questions.html

I would greatly appreciate you doing this, not only to hopefully help me make sense of this movie and perhaps enjoy it more than I do currently, but also because it would be extremely funny.

Many thanks.

Love,
Tarn
Haha Tarn, I saw that article the other day, and had a feeling it might be showing up in this thread soon. No, I cannot in the least rationalize those plot holes. But so what? Yeah, it may not have been perfect, and the plot had it major flaws, but I still enjoyed it just as much.

You have to keep in mind that this wasn't supposed to be a thoughtful movie. I didn't go to this film to be introduced to thoughtful philosophical arguments, just like I didn't see this movie to see a flawless plotline. I went to the theaters last sunday to see an action packed Michael Bay movie packed with giant alien robots, megan fox, sweet cars and... megan fox?

You get the point.
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Ha tarn! I read that this morning myself and I spotted half of those in the theater. I liked the movie, but It is not as good as the first in my opinion.
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Look, I don't need to validate my love for this movie- I clearly and in great length detailed my thoughts and why I thought them, as I do for most movies I see that come up here. And I'd like to think I give pretty fair assessments. If you disagree or want to call me on something, hey, that's great- but it's not as if I'm unjustifiably bloating excess love or hatred and negativity for this movie- something I myself would call someone on, as I have- even most-recently in the Star Trek thread. No, I laid out my thoughts and why I thought them, that's all there is to it. I'm puzzled at the immense disdain and boredom from this movie, quite frankly. I just monumentally disagree with the consensus reaction, which I've only done recently with Speed Racer.

For those of you that seemingly took a chance on seeing this movie based on my review, hey, I'm flattered- but don't get all fussy, not my fault you trust my opinion.

This was a good movie, not a bad one. Not a great one, but far from mediocre- immensely far from 'bad' territory. That's just what I think. Now, I see a lot of movies- practically every movie that passes through theaters- it's how I blow all my money (one week I saw 17 Again, The Soloist, Duplicity, and Miss March all before Saturday, in theaters)- and in doing so I like to think I give all movies a fair chance and am a generally lenient film critic.

But my opinion on this movie is the way it is because I was not only appreciative of certain elements, the way you can make good out of a confused movie- but I was also impressed and thoroughly, thoroughly entertained.

And let's also not forget some really great nods Bay made, that for me made the movie even better:

-The 'bring the rain' reference. In the first movie, it's easily one of the coolest and most-memorable lines; and I was just waiting for it the entire time in the second film. When it came up on fax into an intelligence center, I squealed in my seat- Bay knew a clever, funny way to repeat the line.

-The 'Shia Labeouf is the next Tom Hanks' buzz that's been going on for a few years was played into here, with Bumblebee playing radio lines from Saving Private Ryan, Forrest Gump, and Cast Away when talking to Sam. Perfect nod.

-John Turturro interrupting Jetstream's visual montage of explosions and such with aggressive lines asking for things and spouting 'whoa whoa whoa, I want plot!' and 'actual depth'. I loved this, Bay making fun of himself.

A really satisfying, well-paced action movie to me, I'm sorry if you disagree.
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Evman wrote:

EDIT: SPOILERS HEREIN!

Can anyone who actually enjoyed this movie and wasn't bored and is complaining about other people being bored (I'm looking in your general directions Ben and/or Atom) please name for me one action scene that happened between the arrival of the Decepticons after Prime's death and the start of the final battle? That's basically a complete hour, in case you were wondering.

Please? Just one is all I want.
I love how still, no one has answered my question!
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Evman wrote:

Evman wrote:

EDIT: SPOILERS HEREIN!

Can anyone who actually enjoyed this movie and wasn't bored and is complaining about other people being bored (I'm looking in your general directions Ben and/or Atom) please name for me one action scene that happened between the arrival of the Decepticons after Prime's death and the start of the final battle? That's basically a complete hour, in case you were wondering.

Please? Just one is all I want.
I love how still, no one has answered my question!
Okay, Evman, so what? I honestly can't recall if there's a battle scene between those two times (though I'm fairly sure there is) but if not, who cares? You either enjoyed the movie, or you didn't. If you didn't think there was enough battle scenes, then good for you, but you don't have to be all smart ass about saying that.

Haha, did you really think that one of us is going to see your post, then say "Oh, whoah Evman, you're so RIGHT! I can't believe I didn't notice that.. I guess I actually hated the movie and found it to be extremely boring. Thanks man!"

rolleyes
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Atom, are there any movies that you don't like? I haven't seen this one yet, but you really seem to enjoy pretty much every major release, even if it's complete garbage (Drillbit Taylor?)

What are your "Bottom five" films?

And, Evman, if there aren't any action sequences in the time you mentioned, people did right by not responding when you asked them to name one. wink
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Okay, Evman, so what? I honestly can't recall if there's a battle scene between those two times (though I'm fairly sure there is) but if not, who cares? You either enjoyed the movie, or you didn't. If you didn't think there was enough battle scenes, then good for you, but you don't have to be all smart ass about saying that.

Haha, did you really think that one of us is going to see your post, then say "Oh, whoah Evman, you're so RIGHT! I can't believe I didn't notice that.. I guess I actually hated the movie and found it to be extremely boring. Thanks man!"

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I can't believe I didn't think of that! You're so right! I must be a douchebag! Your post changes everything!

rolleyes

It seems I've hit a nerve. If you loved the movie, then my posts shouldn't bother you at all. Carry on with your life! Only if you know I'm at least partially right would you need to get all defensive. unsure

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Aculag wrote:

even if it's complete garbage (Drillbit Taylor?)
Hey! That wasn't a terrible movie for what it was! I know for myself, movies like Donnie Darko, etc, are some my least liked films.

Evman wrote:

Evman wrote:

EDIT: SPOILERS HEREIN!

Can anyone who actually enjoyed this movie and wasn't bored and is complaining about other people being bored (I'm looking in your general directions Ben and/or Atom) please name for me one action scene that happened between the arrival of the Decepticons after Prime's death and the start of the final battle? That's basically a complete hour, in case you were wondering.

Please? Just one is all I want.
I love how still, no one has answered my question!
*Spoiler?*

What about when the Fallen and his homeys messed up that aircraft carrier?

That was pretty early though. Or are you thinking about more robot on robot epic-ness?
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Hey, I've said why I liked the movie- I've substantiated my thoughts, I've no reason to play your game of 'Atom is always wrong, let's push his buttons.' I don't love every single movie that comes out (although I loved Transformers 2), but as I've always said even if a movie doesn't impress me, I can almost always find something I can appreciate in it.

I appreciated the envelope-pushing MILF and 'daughter wanting to have sex with father' moments in 17 Again, but that doesn't mean I really liked the movie, you know?
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Evman wrote:


I can't believe I didn't think of that! You're so right! I must be a douchebag! Your post changes everything!

rolleyes

It seems I've hit a nerve. If you loved the movie, then my posts shouldn't bother you at all. Carry on with your life! Only if you know I'm at least partially right would you need to get all defensive. unsure

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I'm not getting defensive, why would I? Transformers was a movie that I enjoyed, not something I live by. It just annoys me when people ask a "clever" questions when they simply can just state their perspective and move on. Yes, I overdid my last post to prove a point, though I guess you mistaked it for your remark "hitting a nerve".

Honestly, I couldn't care less how many battle scenes there were in the film. I still was very much entertained, and I wasn't at all bored with it. Your original comment was directed at people such as myself, so I though I'd let you know that your little trick "question" is only annoying, and hardly needed.
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What impresses me more is that they were able to come in $4 million under budget.
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I didn't know films like TF2 even HAD budgets, they're so godammn big.
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It had a budget of I believe $200 million, and Bay brought it in at $196. Then making I think was it $200.1 opening weekend? That's why he will continue making movies.

I think the first was about $150?
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You have to keep in mind that this wasn't supposed to be a thoughtful movie. I didn't go to this film to be introduced to thoughtful philosophical arguments, just like I didn't see this movie to see a flawless plotline.
Why is it that when someone dislikes an action movie, the fans of that movie jump on the "it's not meant to be philosophical!!!" bandwagon?

Just because I didn't like this particular movie doesn't mean I expect every movie to be David Lynch.

I love brainless action movies. Don't assume I dislike the genre as a whole. I just expect even my brainless action movies to have a certain level of quality, beyond visual production value.

In this case, and the 10 plot hole points in the article I linked, it's not about being brainy or 'philosophical', it's about verisimilitude. Regardless of how crazy and ridiculous the movie, it still needs to make sense within its own context, otherwise I can't get involved/excited by it.

TF2 had so many verisimilitude-breaking elements that it took me completely out of the film. And that is why the action sequences had no impact on me, and that is precisely why I found the film exceedingly dull.
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There was something bugging me about this film, and I've finally figure out what it was. To me it reminds me of how scary movie is to scream, or, not another teen movie is to... well all those kinds of films. Transformers 2 seems like the piss-take of the real transformers 2 that hasn't been released yet. The small bot humping Megan's leg, the twins, the giant nads on the huge transformer, the stoned mum... I could go on.
The money that was spent on this, there should be no excuses to not have a top-notch script, and people should be complaining if there wasn't enough explosions, robot fighting, megan fox etc. We shouldn't be complaining about the most important part of the film... the story.
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Mike Q wrote:

There was something bugging me about this film, and I've finally figure out what it was. To me it reminds me of how scary movie is to scream, or, not another teen movie is to... well all those kinds of films. Transformers 2 seems like the piss-take of the real transformers 2 that hasn't been released yet. The small bot humping Megan's leg, the twins, the giant nads on the huge transformer, the stoned mum... I could go on.
Yes! You're absolutely right. Whereas Transformers 1 was actually very witty, in a Back to the Future/Lethal Weapon kinda way, with only a few jokes falling flat and the rest fitting in naturally, TF2 was indeed fast approaching spoof territory.
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Just a quick thought, in the first film meagatron crash lands on earth looking for the all-spark, why didn't the fallen come and help him, more to the point, why didn't the fallen get a hold of the all-spark, sod that key and consuming our sun, why didn't he get the all spark and become all powerful.
And I thought prime and megatron were brothers, wouldn't that make megatron a prime?
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Tarn wrote:

Thrawn wrote:

You have to keep in mind that this wasn't supposed to be a thoughtful movie. I didn't go to this film to be introduced to thoughtful philosophical arguments, just like I didn't see this movie to see a flawless plotline.
Why is it that when someone dislikes an action movie, the fans of that movie jump on the "it's not meant to be philosophical!!!" bandwagon?

Just because I didn't like this particular movie doesn't mean I expect every movie to be David Lynch.

I love brainless action movies. Don't assume I dislike the genre as a whole. I just expect even my brainless action movies to have a certain level of quality, beyond visual production value.

In this case, and the 10 plot hole points in the article I linked, it's not about being brainy or 'philosophical', it's about verisimilitude. Regardless of how crazy and ridiculous the movie, it still needs to make sense within its own context, otherwise I can't get involved/excited by it.

TF2 had so many verisimilitude-breaking elements that it took me completely out of the film. And that is why the action sequences had no impact on me, and that is precisely why I found the film exceedingly dull.
Alright, while I see where you're coming from, Tarn, I still disagree. I mean, it's transfomers, taken from childrens toys/vidoes, so you can't really expect a flawless plotline. Oh, and my point about the philosophical stuff was just an example that lead up to my point about "not expecting a flawless plotline" point (my bad for making that not clear). As for the ten points, I took a closer look and..

Question 2. Why couldn't Sam use the allspark to bring Optimus back to life? Well, first of all he wasn't aware of it's power to bring life back, and second because he used it on the ancient plane transformer.

Question 4. Why does a robot need glasses? This question is just rediculas, and is not an actual plot flaw. There could be countless reasons behind it needing glasses, or it could be for entertainment.

Question 5. Why doesn't Bumblebee stop the evil transformer-turned-girl decepticon when she was in the car, instead of just playing music? Well, Bumblebee didn't know she was a Decepticon, he just didn't want Sam to cheat on Mikayla/Megan Fox, hence the music such as "Your Cheatin Heart" and such. Oh, this question also addresses Bumblebees voice box problem which was supposodly fixed at the end of part 1. Well, at the beginning of the movie, Sam talks about how Bumblebee is "having issues with his voice box again" so there ya go.

Question 6. If the Fallen could only be destroyed by a Prime, why didn't the other primes team up on him back in the day? Well, the old jet dude clearly told Sam that the Fallen was much more powerful then the others way back when, so they couldn't destroy him. Instead, they decided just to protect the "matrix" by sacraficing themselves. In present day, the Fallen is weaker then he was before because he's been out of it for thousands of years, and in addition, Optimus has his extra parts, so he could defeat him.

Question 7. Why did the national museum start to look like Arizona? Okay, once again, this is hardly a plot issue. More like bad location shots, but not an issue with the script or anything.

Question 9. How does Sam go to robot heaven? He doesn't. He was just in a state of mind/death where the robots could communicate with him. Sure, this one was a touch confusing, but I doubt it was "robot heaven".

Question 10.
Where does Sam's bandage and sock come from? You clearly see Amanda bandaging up Sam in Egypt, and the bandage itself probably came from one of the seven cars that they have around them. Or maybe he tore a bit off of his shirt. There are a lot of places where it could have come from. HIs sock came from his foot. Shocker.


So there ya go, Tarn. Seven answers to your tne questions. The other three remain a mystery to me, but I might be able to answer them after seeing the movie a second time.

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Posted: Fri, 3rd Jul 2009, 1:57am

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WELL... WELL... WELL...

I'm a pretty well-noted Bay fan. I've really liked basically every movie he's done, and think his style and comedy/action blending is really great most of the time, even if quite of few of his films have some contrived elements to them.

That being said, Transformers 2 didn't really do anything for me. It felt like a 1 1/2 hour KICKASS film stretched thinly over 2 and a half hours.

The cinematography was stellar all the way through, but the battle scenes were such bullshit shakiness (Yes, you don't normally see me complain about "Shakycam" because I usually love it), that I actually was having a hard time following the action. Unlike most people, I loved the first film's fight scenes.

There was SO. MUCH. EXPOSITION. The movie felt like one long series of scenes featuring characters explaining a too-complex of plot.

Also, right around the scene when the Aircraft carrier gets destroyed by Decepticons, I started feeling like I wanted to film to be over sooner. It got to the point where I was getting annoyed with each following edit of showing stuff happening, like when the commander guy calls in the military, I immediately knew I'd have to sit through a ton of shots of jets taking off, tanks driving, ships sailing, troops running, etc. I basically became angry at the mechanics of the film.


Anyways, this was pretty weak for me.
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Here's a cool article on Digital Domain's work on the film:

http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=5153&referer=rss

Interesting read, regardless of whether you liked the film or not.

Also interesting that Alice is referenced specifically as a Pretender. They were a pretty big deal in the comic/cartoon/toy range, so it's surprising they didn't make more of her. In fact, the presence of Pretenders would have been enough to hang the entire film off, it's such a potentially interesting/scary concept.