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Mr Pike

Posted: Mon, 29th Jun 2009, 3:47pm

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A short film, similar in style to Mr Fox, this time telling the story of Mr Pike, and the unfortunate consequences of his inappropriate desires. I hope you enjoy it, and please let me know what you think.
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Posted: Mon, 29th Jun 2009, 4:08pm

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I liked the style of it. The ending suprised me. It was well made and bizarre but I kept watching. When he slammed the chipmunk against the tree, I was laughing....hard..... biggrin 5/5 stars for effort and everthing. smile
Posted: Mon, 29th Jun 2009, 5:28pm

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<slight spoiler if you haven't seen this>




Max,

What can I say, you've fast become my favourite film maker on this site. I've really enjoyed your previous works and this one was no exception.

Although I was worried that this would mimic Mr Fox too much and not be as entertaining, I really enjoyed the overall story. The addition of Nosferatu was a nice touch, and I thought the bit with Mr Pike being burnt was incredibly striking, a very memorable moment that actually had me re-watching it a few times.

My one slight constructive criticism would be that the pacing seemed a tad slow in place, and could have done with perhaps being a little tighter.

As with the other films you've submitted, this was incredibly well polished on both technically and visually, and the sound work was top notch.

A rock solid piece of work, I really look forward to your next production.

NR
Posted: Tue, 30th Jun 2009, 10:33am

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Brilliant. Not quite as innovative and beautiful as Mr Fox, but still very witty, striking and memorable.

The final Nosferatu clip I'd say went on a little too long - while the Nosferatu reference worked really well, your own footage is so good I thought it was a shame to end with footage from another film.
Posted: Tue, 30th Jun 2009, 5:59pm

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Hi guys, thanks very much for the comments. No Respite Productions, thanks very much, I'm happy you like my films. The part with Mr Pike burning was quite last minute, but I'm happy with how it came out, quite proud of that part. Tarn, I completely agree about the ending being too long. I made this for my degree show, I just finished art school and I showed this and Mr Fox at my show. I was going mad with the stress of trying to get it finished, and I forgot how long the end clip actually was. I could shorten it I suppose, but I think it's better to leave each film as it is and move on. I'm fairly happy with this one, I agree that Mr Fox is more interesting, but despite shared similarities I think that both films are quite different. I didn't want to make Mr Fox again, and I had a whole other film I wanted to make involving angler fish headed people, but it was too ambitious, so I went back to taxidermy and then just made it up as I went. Thanks for the comments, might be a while until the next film, I'm trying to get some funding.
Thanks for watching,
Max
Posted: Tue, 30th Jun 2009, 7:51pm

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Visually, and as a test of style, this was incredible. Narratively, however, even though it's supposed to feel esoteric and random like its predecessor; I feel that it wasn't as..........cohesive, I suppose.

The ending is just kind of there, and there's no funny end element like clapping and fencing as there was in Mr. Fox. Great stuff, still, and there's an excellent visual quality to it.

Watching it I was going in for a 4/5, but the lack of ending kind of pushed me down a bit. Don't think I don't like it, though, it's excellent stuff - just kind of altogether pointless. Which may, indeed, be your intention! biggrin
Posted: Tue, 30th Jun 2009, 8:27pm

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Hi, Ben, I understand your points, I think that it feels less cohesive precisely because it is more cohesive than Mr Fox. There is a much more straightforward plot and narrative, which perhaps doesn't sit that well with the style and character of the film. I mean, the plot is that he's hungry, gets a bad idea, murders, and then go's to hell. Whereas in Mr Fox, the story is more ambiguous and there is a lot more going on. As for the ending, I originally had it end without Mr Pike burning, so the clip from Nosferatu was suggestive of his demise, then I added him burning and kept the Nosferatu ending too. Probably I should have just gone with one or the other. As for it being pointless, thats a criticism that could be levelled at any film ever made, it doesn't really mean very much. But overall, I had wanted to move on from the taxidermy Mr's after Mr Fox, but, due to time and various other limitations, I did it again, and this time I do feel like it doesn't work so well with the structure and narrative that I gave it. Having said that,I think that on the whole this one is technically better than Mr Fox, but it doesn't have the same level of ideas behind it, I made it up as I went, and as a result visually it works, but narratively it's much more superficial. So, thanks for watching, glad you liked it, there will be no more taxidermy Mr's for the foreseeable future biggrin
Posted: Wed, 1st Jul 2009, 4:35am

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I'm right there with Tarn on his points- not as clever or sharp or successfully random as Mr. Fox, but still equally-solid and very hilarious nonetheless.
Posted: Wed, 1st Jul 2009, 5:36am

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You are a very talented film maker. You have your own distinctive style, and while the use of Nosferatu is creative & interesting in the earlier part of the film - using such a long clip at the end detracts from your own work.
Posted: Wed, 1st Jul 2009, 10:14am

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Thanks guys, I agree totally with the Nosferatu comments, it does go on far, far too long. Perhaps I will edit it.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jul 2009, 12:50pm

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Burning Sage, can I get a comment on the 1 star rating? A reason why? I'd like to know what prompted you to rate it so low.
Posted: Sat, 4th Jul 2009, 7:21am

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It's mostly the lowest ratings that go without a comment max.

I really liked this. It started a bit slow, but once the "story" set in, it completely grabbed my attention, but it did lose it again slightly towards the end - I agree that the nosferatu clip went on for too long.

Nothing that hasn't been said already. Not as good as Mr Fox for me, but cool nonetheless!
Posted: Sat, 4th Jul 2009, 7:57am

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I liked this, however not as much as Mr. Fox. But I suppose that's because Mr Fox was more creepy and eye catching in terms of style, whereas Mr Pike was near enough the same but more in your face and haunting. Have to say the bit where the wolf/fox thing starts attacking the pike it's pretty scary smile

Good work!
Keep it up!
Posted: Sat, 4th Jul 2009, 11:58am

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I really, really like this film. The quick zooms and sound effects gave it a kinda nostalgic feel, like an old Kung Fu movie or Dr. Who show. Maybe for your next one you could include a commercial: Mr. Pike Head!
Posted: Sat, 4th Jul 2009, 12:47pm

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Like B3N said, It's not as good as Mr. Fox, but I still liked it. I thought the editing was really good and the sound effects where too. I like Mr. Fox more because I think it was more random. This had too much of a story (I never thought I would say that).
Posted: Sat, 4th Jul 2009, 1:03pm

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Hi, thanks for the coments guys. Rockfilmers, you are absolutely right. Having such an undisguised, straightforward storyline works aginst this sort of thing. Like I say, Mr Fox is far more interesting, I tried for something different here but I should have left Mr Fox as a one off. I'm happy enough with this one, some of it I prefer, but overall, it doesn't work as well. B3N, the wolf/fox thing is meant to be the devil as imagined by Mr Pike.
Max
Posted: Sun, 5th Jul 2009, 1:04pm

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I must say i do love ure films and i always look forward to the next one. And again you managed to do another great short,and although this may not be as random and err good as mr fox its still a very well done vidoe. i agree with critizisms everyone else gave about slow pacing and all that, but you have to remember when you started this you had no idea how it would end up, as you were making it up as you went along. So, yh, another great film smile nice one wink. 4/5

by the way where do you get your sooiunds effects?
Posted: Sun, 5th Jul 2009, 2:37pm

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Thanks Jamie, glad you like it. I don't think theres any problem with the pacing until the final clip with Nosferatu. I wated the whole thing to be fairly slow, punctuated with brief, frenzied action. The pacing of the film was carefully considered, and also intended to be different to the pacing of Mr Fox. Thanks for watching,
Max
Posted: Mon, 6th Jul 2009, 8:23am

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On another note: I'm really curious as to where you source all these bizarre taxidermy props. smile
Posted: Mon, 6th Jul 2009, 12:16pm

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ebay Tarn, ebay. There is a seemingly limitless amount of horrible taxidermy available on ebay. Some of it can be quite exspensive though. For example, the pike head cost about £60.00, + £15.00 for some new eyes. Then I decided to fully repaint it which took a couple of days. The fox head for the devil fox cost £60.00, + £10.00 for it's horns. You looking to jazz your home up a little bit? I could get you a good deal on an attractive horned fox head...
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Posted: Mon, 6th Jul 2009, 12:47pm

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Hehe, I'm OK for now, thanks. wink

It's good to know that you don't just 'happen' to have a stash of these in your cellar, though.
Posted: Mon, 6th Jul 2009, 2:05pm

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Yeah, I was wondering about that too, but was a little scared to ask. Glad you did for me Tarn. wink
Posted: Mon, 6th Jul 2009, 4:49pm

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Worryingly though, I do occasionally find myself trawling ebay for taxidermy, then I realise I don't need it at the moment. It's so fascinatingly horrible.
Posted: Mon, 6th Jul 2009, 7:10pm

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Sounds like you have a unique yet scary fetish lol. Actually, my grandma used to do taxidermy. She had a shop full of the creepy things. Most of them where ducks and deer. I never under stood it. In fact, I have a fish in my room because my brother (With whom I share a room) caught it when we where eight (Twins) and my grandma cleaned it out for him. It stares me down every night. unsure Maybe I should do a fan video with it lol.
Posted: Tue, 7th Jul 2009, 11:52am

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Rating: +1

Ha, go for it smile This is my concept drawing for what I originally wanted to make the film about,



Started making a puppet/mask, but didn't have enough time or money, so it was dropped in favour of taxidermy. I am going to give it another go at some point.
Posted: Tue, 7th Jul 2009, 12:15pm

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You absolutely should, that thing looks completely messed up!

In the best possible way of course, I'm very curious as to exactly what it is, where it came from and what the deal is with it's left arm.
Posted: Tue, 7th Jul 2009, 12:17pm

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Wow, and double-wow. That is seriously awesome. And incredibly disturbing.

I'm rapidly becoming an unashamed happy~sad films fanboy.
Posted: Tue, 7th Jul 2009, 6:15pm

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Thanks guys. No Respite, it's just a drawing that I did when I was thinking about a character for the film I was going to make, which ended up being Mr Pike. Basically, it was going to be a moraly dubious creature that lived in the woods. This character has evolved a long way since this drawing, and I'm definately going to do something with it at some point. I dont have a camera, so I can't make a film at the moment, but I'm going to start drawing and sketching ideas out, and make fairly detailed storyboards first, which I will make a thread about when I have something to talk about. His left arm is in his cloak, holding it open. Tarn, thanks very much. Hopefully I'l have some new stuff on the go soon.
Max
Posted: Tue, 7th Jul 2009, 7:04pm

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eek . How would you manage doing that? I would be very fascinated in seeing a final result.
Posted: Tue, 7th Jul 2009, 7:15pm

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Im not entuirely sure how I would do it. I would want the creature to look like a puppet from an old school horror film, like evil dead 2, so it wouldn't be meant tolook like a real, living creature, but it would have to be perfectly done, and I don't think I could do it yet. Also, I would use stop motion animation. I'm not really sure exactly how it would work yet, I would have to have it pretty well planned and work it out shot by shot. I'm not going to be doing it just yet, I won't do it until I can pull it off, which at the moment I can't.
Posted: Wed, 8th Jul 2009, 2:27am

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Have you thought of stop motion (like how you did with the squirrel)? It's time consuming, but it might give you a very classic look, if that is what you are after. Watch a bunch of Ray Harryhausen films if you go that way.
Posted: Wed, 8th Jul 2009, 11:06pm

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Yeah, thats the sort of thing I would think about. Although at the moment I have other ideas I want to focus on more.
Posted: Mon, 13th Jul 2009, 11:59pm

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Clever storyline. Nice use of titles, music, and sound effects. Editing very good; works well with storytelling. Nice job!
Posted: Sat, 18th Jul 2009, 9:09pm

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Thanks very much Tony, thanks for watching.
Posted: Tue, 28th Jul 2009, 10:52am

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Only just got round to watching this.

I was a big fan of Mr Fox, and I think Mr Pike is great too. You're obviously stylistically and conceptually a very strong film maker and I think the post-work has really added to that.

Looking forwards to whatever you do next.
-Matt
Posted: Fri, 31st Jul 2009, 10:53am

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Thanks very much Matt, glad you enjoyed it. Working on starting something new at the moment, might be a while. Thanks for watching.
Max
Posted: Fri, 31st Jul 2009, 12:16pm

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Insanely fabulous,beautifully shot and extremely entertaining.
Great work Max.

Somehow I missed your Mr. Fox....just gonna have a peep.

Dave


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Posted: Sun, 2nd Aug 2009, 6:12pm

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Thanks Dave, glad you enjoyed it.
Max