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Fantastic Mr Fox Trailer released

Posted: Fri, 31st Jul 2009, 9:31am

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Fantastic Mr Fox Trailer on YouTube

For a few weeks I was working on The Fantastic Mr Fox, finding myself constantly charmed by the furry little models expressions, and now the trailer is out. I think it's looking very special and I can't wait to see it.

What does everyone else think?

-Hybrid.

p.s. The very first shot is one of mine!
Posted: Fri, 31st Jul 2009, 9:43am

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I have to admit, I'm looking forward to this. It's different to most of the films coming out this year and it holds a certain classic feel with it as well. Hopefully it won't come out in 3D...I'm getting a bit bored of the "In cinemas in 3D!" sales plan.

But this looks really good, read the book if you haven't!
Posted: Fri, 31st Jul 2009, 10:06am

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Hopefully it won't come out in 3D...I'm getting a bit bored of the "In cinemas in 3D!" sales plan.
I cant foresee this coming out in 3D. Because none of the work we've done is stereoscopic - it's been shot with a single camera.

Though I'm not so critical of stereoscopy. Earlier in the year there was Coraline which was a truely awesome 3D experience, with the 3D being used in clever ways to denote differences in atmosphere between real and fantasy worlds. It was pretty awesome if you ask me.

Still loving the look of Fantastic Mr Fox. The stop motion is intentionally quite ragged in places, and in other places completely differently styles of models and animation are used. There's no better way to explain it than to say it's charming, retaining the feeling of being a Wes Anderson movie whilst also being very different to anything he's done in the past.

I hope it'll be a success. Just a note - The book forms part 2 of the film, which is 3 parts - so there is extra stuff added either side of the interpretation of original material.

-Matt
Posted: Fri, 31st Jul 2009, 10:12am

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I have been looking forward to this for a long time. Awesome that you got to work on it, because it looks fantastic (durrrr). It's classic Wes Anderson, animated. It also makes me think of the dream sequences in The Science of Sleep. Very warm, charming animation. I love it, and can't wait to see it, and then see it again.

The whistle and click thing is perfect.
Posted: Fri, 31st Jul 2009, 1:17pm

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F***! For the sake of all that's holy, they have managed to completely kill a kids classic book! They may as well advertise it as "from the C**** who ruined Whinnie-the-Pooh comes a hatchet job on Fantastic Mr Fox".

So this is a story set in England with all-American voiced characters, credit f****** cards, explosions, romantic interludes. Only time will tell if Celine Dion sings the big production number and we have soft-focus foxes gazing lovingly into one anothers eyes for the music video.

I honestly thought this was a p***-take right up until the moment I realised it was too much money spent to be a hoax. Yes, it's a great kids story, so why corrupt and pollute it with all the nonsense.

Sorry for the rant, but this makes me feel physically sick sad
Posted: Fri, 31st Jul 2009, 4:29pm

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You gonna be okay, there, pdrg?
Posted: Fri, 31st Jul 2009, 5:53pm

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Heh heh, just heartbroken :,-(

Hybrid Halo, I don't mean to take anything away from your excellent and fun work, I'm just sad when childhood favourites are hijacked
Posted: Fri, 31st Jul 2009, 11:18pm

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pdrg wrote:

Hybrid Halo, I don't mean to take anything away from your excellent and fun work, I'm just sad when childhood favourites are hijacked
Get over it. The book still exists, if you need something to cry into. wink
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Kid friendly Robot Chicken! biggrin Looks great. Looking forward to it.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2009, 9:48am

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pdrg wrote:

Heh heh, just heartbroken :,-(

Hybrid Halo, I don't mean to take anything away from your excellent and fun work, I'm just sad when childhood favourites are hijacked
Don't worry about me, I didn't direct it. smile

Interpretations of things you love are always going to be a touchy subject. As fans of source material - we're always going to desire absolute faithfulness, though over the last few years I've begun to question if that's a good thing to want.

The Tim Burton remake of Charlie and the Chocolate factory, for example is a much closer adaptation to the book yet is by far inferior to the original film. Watchmen suffers from adapting poorly from the comic book source even despite it's relative faithfulness - V For Vendetta being much more of a filmic success largely because it deviated from the original material.

And let's be honest - The Where the Wild Things are trailer is looking to be something very special, yet is adapted from a 10 sentence book. No one seems to be crying about a lack of faithfulness.

I've grown to believe that being faithful to source material isn't as important as being faithful to the message of the source material. V for Vendetta - to rebellion against dictatorship and the strength of an individual, Where the Wild things are to self discovery, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory to the importance of honesty and purity. And Fantastic Mr Fox to community and family.

Fantastic Mr Fox is a 3-section film, with the middle section being a faithful adaptation of the book sandwiched between some extra material. I think some diversions can be afforded regarding voices and props provided the message remains intact.

We're not kids any more, and these are no longer our dreams. I really felt the trailer looks like something special - despite my initial concerns. Sorry you feel like everything you stand for is being trampled upon!

-Matt
Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2009, 10:02am

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Did anybody else find the visual and animation style incredibly disturbing? Maybe it's just because of swinton's Mr Fox and Mr Pike, but everything about Fantastic Mr Fox kinda creeped me out...
Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2009, 4:13pm

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Matt can you be more specific about your involvement in this......I'm gob smacked....please more info.


Dave


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Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2009, 4:32pm

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davlin wrote:

Matt can you be more specific about your involvement in this......I'm gob smacked....please more info.
It's a little early for elaborations. Though you can figure most of it out through my credit on imdb and my job title. wink

-Matt
Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2009, 4:50pm

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My main concern with what I've seen from the trailer is that instead of Dahl's warm English charm creeping into this film, it's been replaced with a really awful smugness. The kind that you'd usually find in a Dreamworks animated feature.

I too found the stop motion stuff to be pretty eerie and unsettling, Wallace and Gromit asides the only stop motion stuff I've seen over the last few years tends to have been dark and edgy shorts like Swinton's, there's plenty of other brilliant stop motion shorts on YouTube that are pretty creepy too.

Still, despite my reservations I hope this knocks them dead at the box office and your hard work pays off HH.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2009, 4:54pm

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Did anybody else find the visual and animation style incredibly disturbing?
Me. In fact, the whole thing looks rather... dare I use the word... bad animation wise. Not quite sure what it is, but I certainly don't like it. sad

I'm sure everything Hybrid did though is absolutely fantastic. wink
Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2009, 4:59pm

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No Respite Productions wrote:

My main concern with what I've seen from the trailer is that instead of Dahl's warm English charm creeping into this film, it's been replaced with a really awful smugness. The kind that you'd usually find in a Dreamworks animated feature.

I too found the stop motion stuff to be pretty eerie and unsettling, Wallace and Gromit asides the only stop motion stuff I've seen over the last few years tends to have been dark and edgy shorts like Swinton's, there's plenty of other brilliant stop motion shorts on YouTube that are pretty creepy too.

Still, despite my reservations I hope this knocks them dead at the box office and your hard work pays off HH.
Thanks, though of course I want the film to be a success - my contributions as a compositor aren't going to make or break a film like Fantastic Mr Fox. Provided my work remains invisible (which it does) then it's a success for me regardless of the box office statistics.

It's worth mentioning that I've only worked on a few sequences and am yet to see the entire film. Though I've really liked everything I've seen, it's never really enough to gain a handle on the finished piece and I'm well aware that through association I'm likely to be a little biased. (The memory of the Aliens vs Predator guys thinking the film looked great remains troubling to my imagination).

Have you seen Coraline? One of the greatest stop motion films I have ever seen as well as awesome in 3D. If not, I'd really try and get to see it in 3D. Great experience.

-Matt
Posted: Tue, 4th Aug 2009, 11:19am

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Hi Matt

I'm at a loss for words...your info on IMDB is soooo impressive ..you must forgive my ignorance of your skills and achievements which , so far ,are nothing less than incredible.

I must have fallen asleep at the back of the class to miss all this info.

A belated congratulations for ALL your achievements past,present and
without doubt future.

I think a spotlight on Matt should be organised , he has so much to tell us .

Dave

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Hi Matt, well done on being involved with this, I would really love a detailed account of what you did on this. I personally don't like the style of it, it's far too cutesy in a laid back, indie way for me, for example the way in which the electrocution scene is done, so deliberately and painfully D.I.Y, low tech looking doesn't agree with me. Having said that, I'm not criticising the technichal quality of the work, only the style, and as far as the compositing, I cant see it so good job smile
Despite my reservations, it is nice to see something different and non cg making it into cinemas.
Good luck with it, and all your future projects,
Max
Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009, 10:36am

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Fantastic Mr Fox Trailer #2 released

I really like this second trailer, though I also liked the first. The shot where Mr Fox eats is mine! smile

-Matt
Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009, 10:45am

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Heh, that's my favourite shot in the new trailer. smile

This is a much better trailer than the first - gets the charm factor going properly. We talk about the new trailer in the latest podcast, by the way.

Quite looking forward to this, it's looking more and more unique and fun, and the story is looking more appealing than it did in the original trailer.
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Wow. While the first trailer didn't grab me at all, now I'm really looking forward to it (and that's not only because of the praise they inserted). The film is probably a lot of fun. It looks like it could be a real come-back for stop-motion. Congratulations Hybrid!

EDIT: Listening to It's a Wrap over breakfast, Tarn. wink
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

The shot where Mr Fox eats is mine! smile
That shot had me cracking up! Nice work.

Yeah, this movie looks incredible.
Posted: Sun, 4th Oct 2009, 8:50pm

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I apologize if it sounds harsh, but the animation in this really bothers me- I find it in that finnicky place between seamlessly flowing and artfully disjointed- and because of that it's really bothersome and, dare I say it, amateur to watch.

I really like the talent involved in this, but there's some certain je ne se quoi that's just missing from it all. I get the idea and way of telling such a story and appreciate the effort- but it just doesn't connect with me.

Something's just lacking. The sound design/voices appear muddled and hollow, hard-to-understand at times (in both trailers) and the animation is smooth in certain parts and, at least it appears, very poorly captured and blocky in others.

I want to like this, but the overindulgence in style and lack in technical grace just doesn't set right with me; even moreso with this second trailer. (But, of course, I'm sure the compositing is absolutely excellent, Hybrid. wink)
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I quite like thsi style actually, really takes me back to the stop motion things I watched when I younger, it also proves you don't need a huge array off kick ass explosions and CGI to throw into the film to make it good. smile

Good work Hybrid on that shot though!
Love that "black pad" off yours that you keep Twitpiccing smile
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Atom wrote:

I really like the talent involved in this, but there's some certain je ne se quoi that's just missing from it all. I get the idea and way of telling such a story and appreciate the effort- but it just doesn't connect with me.

Atom wrote:

I want to like this...
Psssshhh, no you don't. Go watch Transformers again. rolleyes
Posted: Mon, 5th Oct 2009, 1:58pm

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B3N wrote:

Love that "black pad" off yours that you keep Twitpiccing smile
That's an Intuos 4!

It has nifty little programmable buttons on which I leave messages for my co-workers on.


Regarding the animation and look, it's all intentional. To the extent that things that would usually be part and parcel of a composited shot - like light wrap, for example. Are being left out to maintain an authentic puppet/stop motion look.

Take from that what you will. Art is open to opinion. Personally I really enjoy the style. I find it very charming and at the same time, kind of scary.

-Matt

p.s. When I say that shot is mine, I mean I composited it digitally and changed a couple of things. The shot really belongs to the talent model makers and animators who really created it.
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Are you allowed to divulge any information about which parts of that shot were composited and which parts were in the original filmed animation? From the sounds of things there's been a lot of compositing involved and I'm curious to what extent - is it mainly for additional elements like smoke/fire/skies/etc, or is it more involved than that?
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wow, keeping the art of stop animation alive and i bet theres no cgi involved
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swintonmaximilian wrote:

Hi Matt, well done on being involved with this, I would really love a detailed account of what you did on this. I personally don't like the style of it, it's far too cutesy in a laid back, indie way for me, for example the way in which the electrocution scene is done, so deliberately and painfully D.I.Y, low tech looking doesn't agree with me. Having said that, I'm not criticising the technichal quality of the work, only the style, and as far as the compositing, I cant see it so good job smile
Despite my reservations, it is nice to see something different and non cg making it into cinemas.
Good luck with it, and all your future projects,
Max
Wasn't your movie based on that?If not odd coincidence.
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Yeah, I have to admit that swinton's Mr Fox rather coloured my opinion of Fantastic Mr Fox. Makes it all far more insidious and creepy than it's probably meant to be. smile
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Tarn wrote:

Are you allowed to divulge any information about which parts of that shot were composited and which parts were in the original filmed animation? From the sounds of things there's been a lot of compositing involved and I'm curious to what extent - is it mainly for additional elements like smoke/fire/skies/etc, or is it more involved than that?
It's slightly more involved though I won't be able to go into specifics. To the best of my knowledge there is no CG in Fantastic Mr Fox. The fire and smoke is as far as I saw, all practical and I don't think there is any CG Involved at all.

If you watch : http://www.awntv.com/videos/fantastic-mr-fox-making-of-featurette you'll spot some green screens in the background and they're used as green screens would be in anything. razz

I don't want to go further than that at risk of damaging the illusion of an animated film though there was an in-house Visual Effects team on Mr Fox as a couple of other studios doing work as well. My involvement is very minimal (I did two easy shots!) though I still feel it misleading to claim 'Green screen was off limits!' when really, how something is made is secondary to how it looks like it was made.

And I think that'll be made clearer after the film's DVD release when artists start to include before and after footage on their reels.

-Matt

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Posted: Thu, 15th Oct 2009, 4:35pm

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One of the sets is based on my office!

I rent the top floor (you can't see it here, it's hidden by that top wall - I have a roof terrace) of a cinema which was photographed for a set for FMF...







Apparently somebody saw Wes Anderson taking pics ages ago and thought no more of it...
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pdrg wrote:

Apparently somebody saw Wes Anderson taking pics ages ago and thought no more of it...
I just had a strange vision of how that day was at the office:

Office man #1: Is that Wes Anderson taking pictures out there?
Office man #2: I'm pretty sure that's Tilda Swinton.
Office man #1: Huh?

Anyway, that's awesome. Should make that scene in the movie quite surreal for you.

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Posted: Thu, 15th Oct 2009, 8:44pm

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I don't know if that bit of the set is even seen in the finished piece (HH will know maybe?) but we just put 2 and 2 together at the cinema here today when someone spotted a press release.

We get a few names come by the cinema - it's something like the 3rd oldest continuously functioning cinema in Britain, we've got Anthony Head here shortly, Nic Cage has a place nearby, Keira Knightley was in some months back, and my favourite Leslie Philips was in more recently. Terry Jones is in soon too. Spielberg was spotted absorbing history recently too, so maybe he's got planned for something too...who can tell? wink
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pdrg wrote:

Terry Jones is in soon too.
Ooh, awesome. My favorite Python. When he comes in, you should be all like "THE BISHOP!"

You know, as if he hasn't gotten that enough for the past 40 years... wink
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pdrg wrote:

I don't know if that bit of the set is even seen in the finished piece (HH will know maybe?) but we just put 2 and 2 together at the cinema here today when someone spotted a press release.
I haven't seen it yet, though that's an awesome little detail. Apparently Mr Fox's house/hut or something is based on where Dahl wrote the book. I keep coming across little details about how Anderson wrote the film which suggest he's been very respectful of the source material.

It's also worth mentioning that the early reviews have been good. Still too early to be really sure yet though.

-Matt