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How do I make multiple clones?

Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2009, 5:34pm

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Electra Motions

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Okay me and my friends are filming this week! Wahoo! Anyways i bought chroma key paint, painted flats, and i've tested it. it works great! Okay the real problem:::

How do i make multiple clones, like to make screaming fans?

Would i just have the camera at the same angle, and film mulitiple shots, just move the people around in each shot? How would i specifically, like a step-by-step mash all the clips together as one, then take out the greenscreen? HELPP! Thanks!!

Does it have anything to do with layers??

Thanks soo much!
Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2009, 11:27pm

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Preston11

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Yes, film in the same angle, same camera position, with multiple shots. Then put them all together in Composite Lab/Vision Lab!

P.S. Yes you also take out the greenscreen.
Hope it helps.
UPDATE:
This may also help:
http://fxhome.com/support/tutorials/view/15/Simple+cloning+with+split+screen
It's out of date but it helped me.

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Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2009, 11:40pm

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Axeman

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If you are using greenscreen, then you don't necessarily have to have the camera in the same place the entire time. You get shots of your actor for each clone that you want, and each one will be an individual layer, and you can stack up as many as you like to fill your frame.

And you don't mash them together, then take out the greenscreen, you remove the greenscreen on each one, then position them to suit the needs of your shot.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2009, 11:41pm

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DVStudio

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Yeah, you'll have to use a tripod, or have some kind of way to get the camera to move exactly the same way for each clone. Though possible with a greenscreen, it may be best if you need the people to be moving, have the actiors move in their individual shots, but not the camera. Hope that makes sense.

For the cloning, you'll have to import each clip into your FX Home product, trim it down, position it, and key out the green, if you need some help with cloning, you can see my tutorial here and here. For greenscreening help, please see my greenscreen C-Lab & vision Lab tutorial here, here, and here. Though you proably know it already, I decided I should incluide those basics on lighting and keying anyways.

As far as layers go, each clip og greenscreen clones would be a different layer. You'll want to cut them all to be the same length and then add loops or additional footage to make it longer.

I hope that helps you out some!

Cheers
DV

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Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2009, 11:41pm

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Preston11

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@Axeman
True, but if you move the camera, you have to make a garbage matte around the person filming. Well, at least that's as far as I know.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2009, 11:43pm

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Champ 10 wrote:

@Axeman
True, but if you move the camera, you have to make a garbage matte around the person filming.
Yes, pretty sure that's how you do it. And that's the word I was thinking of. Thanks.

P.S. Thos links in my post obove were a pain in the arse to get formated right for some reason wink

P.P.S. I know the cloning link isn't 100% what you're looking for as your using a greenscreen, but it gives you some ideas anyway
Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2009, 11:50pm

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Axeman

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I'm not following you. For greenscreen compositing, the position of the camera from one shot to the next isn't really relevant. The angle of the camera to the subjects matters, and more importantly the angle of the lighting relative to the camera, but the camera doesn't need to be in the same position for each shot. That being said, generally you will set it up pointing at your greenscreen, and it will stay there. But if you wanted to move to a different greenscreen for a later shot, it wouldn't be a problem.

Garbage mattes are for removing stuff outside the edges of the greenscreen, generally. Whether the camera moves at all won't require you to use garbage mattes unless you stop pointing it at the greenscreen.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2009, 11:56pm

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Preston11

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Axeman wrote:

I'm not following you. For greenscreen compositing, the position of the camera from one shot to the next isn't really relevant. The angle of the camera to the subjects matters, and more importantly the angle of the lighting relative to the camera, but the camera doesn't need to be in the same position for each shot. That being said, generally you will set it up pointing at your greenscreen, and it will stay there. But if you wanted to move to a different greenscreen for a later shot, it wouldn't be a problem.

Garbage mattes are for removing stuff outside the edges of the greenscreen, generally. Whether the camera moves at all won't require you to use garbage mattes unless you stop pointing it at the greenscreen.
I was talking about when not using a greenscreen, you need to make a garbage matte. But with a greenscreen, you take out the green and viola, they are all in the same shot.
Posted: Fri, 22nd Jan 2010, 6:35pm

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Toruk Macto

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anyone can help me with this i have cloned a person into three clones but after using the garbage matte there is a slight haze around one of them. Not exactly fitting in. Anyone?