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10,000 Film Contest

Posted: Tue, 4th Aug 2009, 1:42pm

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FXhomer99627

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Calling All Filmmakers,

Riunite Wines is running a $10,000 grand-prize film contest that challenges filmmakers to recreate a classic Riunite Commercial from the 1980s. Four runner-ups will receive a digital camera.

More details can be found on the website below. Best of luck to you all.

www.reinventriunite.com
Posted: Tue, 4th Aug 2009, 3:57pm

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Forum debut fail.
Posted: Tue, 4th Aug 2009, 4:15pm

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lol ya, I guess this means fxhome is getting more popular
Posted: Tue, 4th Aug 2009, 9:35pm

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No, this has happens from time to time. Or least as far back as I've been here.
Posted: Tue, 4th Aug 2009, 10:10pm

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I have seen your fail.
Posted: Tue, 4th Aug 2009, 10:46pm

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Tarn, I have an idea for you, free of charge (although priceless). Guys, what do you think?

There is a recent upsurge of advertising first-time-posters who have no interest in even visiting the community again to follow up on questions etc, they just want to pull people away to their sites, and to build google rankings by having lots of links from credible sites. If the first 5 posts by any new member blocked the adding of links, at least it would limit linking to people who've shown their faces around a bit and made some sort of effort in the community? It could be overridden anytime by a moderator, or not apply if someone has any FXperience?

Guys, what do you think?
Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009, 12:06am

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Well, it would probably be a good idea except for that they could be introducing themselves and advertising a site in passing.
Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009, 12:41am

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pdrg wrote:

Tarn, I have an idea for you, free of charge (although priceless). Guys, what do you think?
Yeah, that seems like a very good idea to me. Just scanning throught the forum in the last 2 minutes, I've seen at least 3 spots in some of the most recent posts that this kind of thing occurred. Sad, but a tleast it means we have a pretty popular community here!

There has certianly been a rather large increase in spamming traffic to this website, I am sorry to say. I think that disabling links for first-time posters without FXPerience is a fine idea. I think it would certainly clean the forum up a bit, and would help a lot. I'd like to see that implemented. Soon. And it shouldn't take much time, and no cost to FXHome. Nicely done PDRG. smile

DV
Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009, 5:46am

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No way.

FXHome is a community almost entirely comprised and run on the ability to share with eachothers, to post useful links and videos, etc. The spammers that are noticeable and any sort of nuisance are so immensely far and inbetween, it's really a moot point from the get-go, isn't it?

Like anything, if it bothers you then ignore it and move on. Chances are the user won't get noticed at all and will completely wither away in a matter of days if not hours. Additionally, we've then got the rating system- if you can't bother to read the actual spam, you should be able to look and see 'uh-oh, someone negatived this- maybe I should skip it'. Come on, now.
Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009, 8:42am

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Yeah, while it's a decent idea on the surface, I don't think it's a proportionate response. The ratio of spam:genuine posts is pretty miniscule, even if we do have more now than before, so you'd end up frustrating new users far more than restricting spammers.

If somebody's new an introducing themselves, for example, it's quite likely that they might want to provide links to their website, YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, etc. As Atom says, sharing information is a core part of any community.

Generally we delete most spam stuff, and the rest just sinks without a trace so is generally only seen by a couple of people who happen to visit the site at the same time it is posted. I only kept this one so that I coiuld post my cheeky reply. smile
Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009, 10:08am

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I'm right and you're all wrong. Nobody wants to welcome a newbie by watching their crudely edited overlong and self-indulgent showreel shot over the course of a morning with a mobile phone. Nobody or company under 25 should be allowed to post a link to anything and should go and stand in a corner until they get over being attention whores. When was the last time you actually saw something worthwhile in a link from a first time poster?

I've just seen a number of these of late, one guy who only ever posted *check out my teh awesomest filmz* type links, with zero community involvement, just wanting to steal traffic and energy away, and I find that shitty. I hate the attitude that "look at me look at me" that an overindulged society fosters. Kids have everything bought for them and so start to believe the world owes them attention. Learn to play nicely, give as well as take. And commercial forum spam is worse. It is greedy and selfish and makes you want to DDOS their servers. Forums are a trgaedy of the commons, the same selfish greed and attention whoring that completely killed Usenet threatens our communities, but apparently it is better to do nothing and watch the neighbourhood go downhill than to risk offending someone that they may have to stick around for a heartbeat before posting links, as if that's a big deal.

Ok, so I'm being old and conservative god help me, but remember I come from an age where we used Gopher and JANET before the WWW and walking through the internet was a pleasant thing as opposed to being in a gaudy-lit shopping mall full of muggers and flashing signs for titty bars.

But hey, this is a forum for a commercial org, and as such I play by their rules. I'm really sorry to all those whose delicate natures I have upset with my tirade. Of course you're all still wrong, but as you can live with that, I guess I can bear it and in the words of a great philosopher of our times "if it bothers you then ignore it and move on" wink
Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009, 10:48am

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I'm not of the "punish everyone because of a few" mentality. I'd rather have the tiny amount of spam we currently have than censor or restrict legitimate members of the community (regardless of how nooby they are).

This comes down to general attitudes towards security, I think. To take another example, you can go down the "yes, terrorism is bad, but it's hugely rare and I'd rather keep my civil rights and freedoms, even if it means I'm theoretically less safe" route, or you can think "the results of terrorism are so bad we should restrict civil rights and freedoms to ensure everybody's continued safety."

Personally I'm always of the former viewpoint.
Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009, 12:18pm

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Tarn wrote:

This comes down to general attitudes towards security, I think. To take another example, you can go down the "yes, terrorism is bad, but it's hugely rare and I'd rather keep my civil rights and freedoms, even if it means I'm theoretically less safe" route, or you can think "the results of terrorism are so bad we should restrict civil rights and freedoms to ensure everybody's continued safety."
Excellent point well made, and I was taking an exaggerated stance, and tend to fall closer to this side of the argument in real life most of the time. However a better analogy might be protection of resources - where not controlled they are routinely abused (hence the aforementioned tragedy of the commons).

Let me posture this instead - how much do you like spam emails? Enough to have to throw away 17 of every 20 you receive? So you install a spam filter which is pretty accurate, but which marks the occasional good mail as spam, so you have to double-check anyway wasting companies *billions* every year. Early internet was very open and trusting, but people have consistently proved untrustworthy. Email is screwed, I have been lucky and caught a contract in my spam folder, a job i'd have lost otherwise. Usenet *was* brilliant, and is now successfully totally killed off in the name of selfishness. As you cannot punish retrospectively for internet law-breaking, the only other options are to either pay someone to tidy up after the selfish (moderators, admins) or put in a speed bump. Speed bump is a great analogy by the way - if selfish drivers still drive at 50MPH in a 30 zone, speed bumps help keep them honest. After all we have to sign up for the forum (a speed bump) as opposed to anon posting, so why is this idea so controversial?
Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009, 1:29pm

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pdrg wrote:


Excellent point well made, and I was taking an exaggerated stance, and tend to fall closer to this side of the argument in real life most of the time. However a better analogy might be protection of resources - where not controlled they are routinely abused (hence the aforementioned tragedy of the commons).

Let me posture this instead - how much do you like spam emails? Enough to have to throw away 17 of every 20 you receive? So you install a spam filter which is pretty accurate, but which marks the occasional good mail as spam, so you have to double-check anyway wasting companies *billions* every year. Early internet was very open and trusting, but people have consistently proved untrustworthy. Email is screwed, I have been lucky and caught a contract in my spam folder, a job i'd have lost otherwise. Usenet *was* brilliant, and is now successfully totally killed off in the name of selfishness. As you cannot punish retrospectively for internet law-breaking, the only other options are to either pay someone to tidy up after the selfish (moderators, admins) or put in a speed bump. Speed bump is a great analogy by the way - if selfish drivers still drive at 50MPH in a 30 zone, speed bumps help keep them honest. After all we have to sign up for the forum (a speed bump) as opposed to anon posting, so why is this idea so controversial?
amen,
*checks spam folder*

update: well isn't that nice i lost 5 hundred thousand dollers. sad (or it can be real spam) well I guess i learned a lesson from you.
Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009, 1:53pm

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My two cents is that it's better to do the minor amount of extra work, deleting irritating advertisers, than it is to tick off new users who genuinely want to be a part of the community. Because it is newbies who will be the vets if and when you experienced guys leave FXhome. Maybe I'm tending to the new guy side, being still relatively new, but I don't think it's really a good idea. Basically, pdrg, what your idea would do is save a comparatively small amount of mod work and possibly tick off the new guys who DO want to join the community. All in all, I don't think it's necessarily a good idea.
Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009, 7:09pm

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I apologize for causing such a stir by posting the film contest. I thought this was a relevant forum for people who might want to try to win some money in these economically challeging times.
Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2009, 1:43am

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FXhomer99627 wrote:

I apologize for causing such a stir by posting the film contest. I thought this was a relevant forum for people who might want to try to win some money in these economically challeging times.
We're sorry, just with you being new, its just common sense to assume its a spammer by making his first post a link to a contest.
Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2009, 2:50am

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Why not just ignore them? I mean, come on, they where after attention and they got it. How many people clicked on the link?
Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2009, 8:33am

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Original Poster - as you registered an account just to post the compo, it does look rather like you have some connection/affiliation with it as opposed to just discovering it and happening to be joining here on the same day without wanting to choose a username. That makes it forum spam in my eyes, as opposed to being driven through true altruism wanting to help filmmakers 'in these economic times'. I know most of the other forums you posted to won't have necessarily reacted similarly, but it has been a crappy few weeks of this kind of thing, and it is tiresome that people try to disguise advertising as a gift to the community - my tirade was based on the whole situation, not your post alone.

If you have no affiliation with the compo/link, and just a lowly sense of self to join a community calling yourself an automatically generated username, then I apologise, otherwise frankly I don't!

Rockfilmers wrote:

Why not just ignore them?
Couple of reasons -
1) if an old lady is mugged on the street outside your house, do you ignore it or do you chase the mugger? Should we turn a blind eye to the negatives of this world (no sense in protest, let them walk over you) or be a man and take a stand for what you believe in?
2) all links from 'good' sites like fxhome to another site will be used in search engine rankings, so leaving a spam post to a link actually boosts the sites profile more than just members following it
3) litter - if you leave litter lying around, people drop litter of their own, it makes the place untidy and encourages more.
Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2009, 5:26pm

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pdrg wrote:

Usenet *was* brilliant, and is now successfully totally killed off in the name of selfishness. As you cannot punish retrospectively for internet law-breaking, the only other options are to either pay someone to tidy up after the selfish (moderators, admins) or put in a speed bump. Speed bump is a great analogy by the way - if selfish drivers still drive at 50MPH in a 30 zone, speed bumps help keep them honest. After all we have to sign up for the forum (a speed bump) as opposed to anon posting, so why is this idea so controversial?
Now the speed bump is considered the blocking of new members links.

True but if we are driving down that road going 30 mph (the speed limit) wouldn't we all also have to slow down? As for the first timers going down that road (new users) they would be unaware or might get ajitated of the speed bump. This will protect FXhome from spam but we don't often see spam around here. Do we? It would be better to leave a cop (moderator) to justify the people going 50 mph rather than us (the city of FXhome) to put in a speed bump and slow the program and more new drivers from coming down this road. I know its a little extra work for the moderators but isn't that the moderators job? Keeping FXhome safe from the reckless drivers (spammer)? Why don't all cities put in speed bumps? I wouldn't want to go into a city with speed bumps everywhere. I think we should leave the modeerators to there jobs.

PS Sorry I'm late on the discussion.
Posted: Fri, 7th Aug 2009, 3:26am

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The concept of this is not unheard of I belong to a forum related to voice overs and they have a section where you can request a "Free Voiceover" but they do not allow people who have not made previous posts to do so. This not however built in to the code, it is policed by the membership.
Incidentally I just thought I would throw this post out there for fun

? wrote:

I went to a trade show this week and saw these
http://contourdesign.com/shuttlepro/shuttlexpress.htm
http://contourdesign.com/shuttlepro/
two devices. Basically adding a proper shuttle/jog to your NLE, they come preprogrammed with most popular packages (changeable to taste) and even for things like Excel...
Guess who posted this apparently with in their first 5 posts?
Posted: Fri, 7th Aug 2009, 3:31am

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FXhomer99627 wrote:

I apologize for causing such a stir by posting the film contest. I thought this was a relevant forum for people who might want to try to win some money in these economically challeging times.
Not choosing a user name also raises a flag.
Posted: Fri, 7th Aug 2009, 5:21am

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pdrg wrote:

if an old lady is mugged on the street outside your house, do you ignore it or do you chase the mugger?
Is the old lady your mother-in-law? wink I'm joking, of course.

I think the situation is a bit different. Whereas people are being definitely harmed in the scenario you put out, this isn't really hurting anyone. I don't think it should be ignored either, but don't pound a vicious hand down on them by blocking all links and starting a tirade. This discourages people, makes them say "what kind of site is this, where I can't even post a link?" Because I've been on several other forums and they all support links.

I think a better idea would be to see if they 1) don't post anymore, or 2) just post the link over and over, and then block all links, ban the user, etc. Because this rule, IMO, is so much different from other communities that it'll completely baffle the newbie.
Posted: Fri, 7th Aug 2009, 6:43am

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Jesus Christ, pdrg. Get a grip, man.

I thought your first posts were just out-of-character and a misstep, but this repeated, trivial aggression- it's embarrassing to witness, I'll tell you that.
Posted: Fri, 7th Aug 2009, 11:14am

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Haha VoiceOverWizard, you win man, touché.

For those who haven't worked it out, I was largely being flippant. Spam of all kinds does pee me off, I don't see there's a huge gap between grafitti/fly postering and forum spam, so I took an exaggerated position which most of you will have understood from my posts to explore possible remedies. Now some of you seem to think that I said we should drown kittens and puppies, I only suggested a measure to...and get this...try to make the world a tidier place for us all. As opposed to just sitting back and watching the grafitti and fly posters lower the tone of the neighbourhood, I was trying to think of simple ways to maintain standards. Other, more technically minded forums I know discuss this stuff.

The mugging analogy was meant from the viewpoint of do you let the neighbourhood go downhill because it doesn't matter to you, or do you take a position and try to correct something you see is not right in the neighbourhood in an effort to improve it for all? It may have been unpopular, but at least I made an effort to think of an idea and the balls to suggest it with justifications.

PS - ironic how some of the people who say we should just ignore it feel the need to comment wink

PPS - wow, check out that neg3 on my post further up, I guess I should have put in more LOLLOL!!111!'s in there to point out when I was teasing and exaggerating. My humblest apologies to everyone who was mortally offended wink
Posted: Fri, 7th Aug 2009, 5:33pm

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I'm not naive to take your words so literally, I just think you went on a rant about an idea for blocking users, however harmless, and made a pester of yourself by continuing. My opinion only, of course, but it didn't require or substantiate all of the analogies and lengthy posts on what you mean. It's like beating a dead horse, you know?

We get it. It's probably not what FXHome is going to do. Best leave it at that.