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Posted: Wed, 12th Aug 2009, 10:41am

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Mark and Sara spend some time in the wild swiss mountainside. On the way, they meet Laura, a friend of Sara's. And three is definately one too many.


A little shortfilm shot over 2 days in the Viamala with a couple of friends from my stage acting group "Der Pakt".


Hope you enjoy!


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Posted: Wed, 12th Aug 2009, 2:46pm

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You know once again you managed to surprise me, which really by now should come as no surprise. Your film making continues to inspire me and frankly that's the highest compliment I know how to give. The whole thing just seemed so well shot. I never saw the ending coming and from a guy who studies films in the genre the way I do that's saying something. The grading and CG were brilliant.

I don't think I'm alone when I say that I sincerely hope to see another feature project from you some day. When it comes to independant film, you are quite simply THE MAN.
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Greybro wrote:

You know once again you managed to surprise me, which really by now should come as no surprise. Your film making continues to inspire me and frankly that's the highest compliment I know how to give. The whole thing just seemed so well shot. I never saw the ending coming and from a guy who studies films in the genre the way I do that's saying something. The grading and CG were brilliant.

I don't think I'm alone when I say that I sincerely hope to see another feature project from you some day. When it comes to independant film, you are quite simply THE MAN.
I couldn't have said it better myself, top notch work as always. Sollthar you are truly the heart and soul of FXhome. Keep up the good work.
Posted: Wed, 12th Aug 2009, 4:43pm

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Awesome Sollthar. Loved it. One of the best films that I have seen in the cinema. Lesson, don't cheat on your girl friend when you are in a dangerous situation. Five stars. Music is awesome. biggrin
Posted: Wed, 12th Aug 2009, 4:55pm

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I liked this a lot. Lovely shots, good editing, decent acting, great scenery and a good twist.

The issues I have are in the pacing, which seemed a little off at times. I counted a number of shots which appeared to have no value, which together slowed down the pace. The first of which was shot as they approached the covered bridge over the river, which seemed unnecessary. Then, as the tension mounted with the petty arguments, the swimming resentment, the friend holding the knife menacingly, then the kiss, each sequence was split up with pleasant pastoral shots!

This is partly down to personal preference i suspect, but also partly down to story-telling: I'd have preferred to see the tension ramped up more smoothly rather than this stop-start effect. The shots in between didn't really seem to add anything and in fact relaxed me quite a bit, which didn't seem like the best way to convey an imminent murder.

Anyhoo, this is being pretty pedantic as these are just a small fraction of a much more enjoyable film. Great work!
Posted: Wed, 12th Aug 2009, 8:24pm

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I really enjoyed this.

Good pacing, reminded me of a no-name film I would see on the local WB syndicate on the weekends when I was like 13 or 14 (which isn't a bad thing, they were normally 80's Mickey Rourke features, etc) so the nostalgic tones they were good.

Music was really good for the most part, but particularly overbearing in the beginning. I understand you need to set a 'grand' and 'foreboding' tone, but I felt it a little heavy when they're at the base of the mountain. Just my opinion. Camerawork was solid, although I feel like just a few bits and pieces were awkward. This could be something that was done in the editing, even though the majority of the cuts were good, I found a few linked shots odd. This could just be me.

Also, you begin with a high shutter (from the looks of it) but then once we get up to the mountain everything gets soft. I'm all for tonal range in cinematographical settings, I just also found this a bit odd. I would've liked either higher shutter in the mountain bits or a softer look in the beginning. The shots of the cow were softer, but against the shots of the couple it felt strange. Again, just my opinion, nothing 'wrong' per-se.

As a side note, I was a bit disappointed you didn't settle on a wider aspect; given that you had some great shots to encapsulate that panoramic look. This is just my taste, the wider aspect, but it felt like a lost opportunity.

Editorially, there's not too many errant cuts, but I felt that in the overall - the pacing - things could be improved. The end feels a bit....rushed(?) despite being a decent payoff for the movie. I feel like you could easily cut out half of the time/exposition between jumping in the Rhein and the guy's demise and the film would still be understandable, if not more solid. The acting was alright, generally solid; despite no particular 'standout' performances.

In terms of story, I very much appreciated the twist, it added a fresh appeal to an otherwise very played genre/story. Considering you've released this film now, Nils has 'Campsite' running, and I've got a forest/mountain movie pending (check my sig) it's funny that I think a lot of us can sympathize with the problems of filming remotely. That being said, oftentimes in the woods there's not a lot of 'new' material to be had - couple goes to woods, detrimental things happen. Blah, blah, blah. While I enjoyed Nils' work very much technically (and I enjoyed my own biggrin) the story was very general, very same-y.

Last weekend (when I filmed my 'woods' movie) I had trouble breaking up the landscape and finding interesting places to film and interesting elements to add to the story. Why do I mention this? Well, because it helps me appreciate what you've done here, which is, in terms of story-to-landscape, break apart elements and make them interesting. It's not just someone strange on the trail killing people. It's not 'The Shining' with a man going crazy. No, fundamentally, the twist - even though mild in its 'shock' - is significant because it adds some depth to something we've seen countless times. And I really liked that.

Now I've got to talk about something that I feel that, unless it is done perfectly, it looks atrocious. Day-for-night. It's a bad idea. Don't do it! You didn't pull it off here, Nils didn't pull it off in his film - why are people still trying it? I know, I know, there are good ways to do it and maybe you thought you did it here - but I don't think you did. It looks bad. Obvious. Tacked on. It pulls down the entire film as a whole. When I was filming my 'woods' film last weekend I got up at 4am to film night-for-night (with oil lanterns as key) and it was already beginning to be light outside. My entire crew said 'oh, we'll do day-for-night. It's overcast and early, so it'll work perfectly!'. It wouldn't have.

Just settle for day. Don't attempt day-for-night. I'm telling you honestly, it looks bad. Ineffective.

It will be interesting to see how all the 'woods' films fare in the next few weeks, funny that we've all completed similar projects around the same time. biggrin I'm giving this a 5/5, but it'd be a 4/5 had it not established such firm 80's-90's camping movie nostalgia with me. wink

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Posted: Wed, 12th Aug 2009, 8:32pm

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I've already gave you my thoughts in the chat last night, but the location was an additional character for me.

Lovely shots, framing was well done, and I enjoyed the ride.

The acting was good and I liked the sound design. Well balanced, nothing too loud on the decible scale that was out of place. The music fit well too.

The bridge at the end was great too. Loved it!
Posted: Wed, 12th Aug 2009, 9:26pm

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More to come, but for now a few bullet points. I've noticed Ben's written something, and as we generally have similar tastes I've kept from reading his review to both keep mine genuine and hopefully helpful- but if I sound redundant just ignore those bits. smile

-Overall very solid, albeit slightly uninteresting in-comparison to your other work
-Excellent use of location and landscape
-Somewhat static, but generally excellent cinematography
-Some odd/stagnant pacing, perhaps storytelling
-Acting is passable, but nothing special
-Fantastic composing and music composition, kudos!

And the one thing that bothered me more than anything, even less convincing here than in Campsite:

Day-for-night. Whoever keeps telling people it looks real needs to stop, it just looks bad. And it never works at 'convincing' me it's nighttime. Not here, not in any movie. I would've condensed the nighttime stuff to what could be shot using real lights at actual evening time. If you couldn't have done this, hey, that's understandable-

But it doesn't mean your day-for-night is any bit more useful to me. It's just silly to look at, even when it's done with a skillful eye for grading like yours (or mine, even! wink ). It's just one of those things that absolutely never seems to work for me. I tried to use it on our 48 Arkansas film, Memorial, to no avail.

In the end we bit the bullet and shot right at dawn and scrapped the day footage we were going to darken, because frankly it just looks so silly to see minor hotspots and shade from the sun on an image we're suppose to believe is night.

To this date, the only movie I can recall I liked it in is Castaway; and even then I could be remembering wrong. Amateur movies, though? No, yet to see a movie it works in. This usage really brought me out of the professionalism of the rest of the film, as it's all otherwise so masterfully created and the filter feels slapped-on or an afterthought like 'hey, we'll make this part of it night in post!'. But enough of that, a few more points...

-Twist was interesting and not predictable, which is always good. The problem here for me is that it paces like the punchline to a joke; the movie being a long, slightly-boring setup to a single bit of entertainment. Does that make sense?

For me this is how it felt- like the pacing didn't do this any favors, either, breaking up a building tension to where the storytelling is essentially an ordeal of dragging our feet in the mud until we get to a climax- there's no/not-evident-enough of a rising and falling action- it just immediately pushes to a pulp at the end.

And for me this is the integral flaw in an otherwise pretty great movie. One that keeps it from being a true 'Top Quality NCC' movie. It's one of those unfortunate, implacable qualities some movies end up getting, where the pieces apart are all generally pretty excellent and you don't see it coming when you're piecing them together- but somehow for whatever reason your movie ends up either boring, oddly-paced, or lacks some facet of narrative structure that makes it.....I dunno.........just not all that entertaining.

I know that last bit sounds mean, and I don't intend for it to be really. I haven't collected my thoughts entirely, you see, and as I noted I've got more review to come- I just can't at the moment quite put my finger on what knocks this down to 'meh' territory for me.

Like I said, generally the pieces, apart from eachother, are all firing on all/most cylinders. But there's something about it all, makes me give it a 3/5 at best right now.

I'll wait and watch it again and see if I can't figure out what bothers me about it. (Besides the silly, easy-way-out use of day-for-night. wink )
Posted: Wed, 12th Aug 2009, 11:05pm

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Thanks for the comments and views everyone! I'll make sure to give the kudos to the rest of the team who worked on this.

The film is pretty much 1:1 the storyboard we drew (with only very few changes during the cut) so there's no shots in there I didn't want in there for a particular storytelling or mood reason. But yeah, pacing is always a very subjective thing and I think we've already established long ago that my sense for pacing isn't for everyone. smile
Theatre influence does the rest there as I've come to value the little subtext - details so much I see lots of amusing little things happening where others might just wait for a proper A to C over B story context.

The end was indeed a bit rushed, since we ran into tons of trouble there (imagine, there were PEOPLE who made NOISES all the time. Bloody tourists!) and actually had to shoot those shots on 5 completely different locations. I'm amazed they hold together so well really.

Music is definately a bit overscoring it in places, heh - I'm still learning a lot in that area but I'm happy with how it turned out or that I was able to score the film at all. razz

I agree on the wider aspect. Would have loved to have a lot more grand panoramic shots in the film. But since the Viamala is a narrow canyon, there's not much wide shots to be had since you're looking at big cliffs or forest very soon, which you never get within a shot because you can't move back far enough or there's always something in the way. The whole place looks waaaayyyy bigger in scale in the film then it actually is already. More wasn't possible without a different lens unfortunately.

As for the day-for-night... I'm not trying to sell it as night rather then evening. This quite obviously has some sunlight left. Night is black, evening is blue. Besides, no one builds his tent in the night, you build it before it gets dark. wink
Blueish tint helps sell the feeling of evening for 95% of the audience. I'll have to live with losing the other 5% I guess. You can't please everyone, don't try to. smile
Unfortunately, we didn't have any lights or power. Nor was it possible to make a fire in that camping area. So using proper lighting in proper night was not option. And we missed the early "before-direct-sunlight-hours" I wanted to use because of a camera malfunction, so I had to deal with what I had.

Looking forward to see your "woods" movie then Ben. Mentioned the Wood-Thing to Redhawk too the either day. And filming out there in the woods is indeed a feat of it's own with obstacles all the way for both the camera, the sound, the actors and the logistics (like marching an hour to the next location at 6 in the evening after 9 hours of straight shooting and a sleepless night in the tent) oink

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Posted: Wed, 12th Aug 2009, 11:40pm

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Two pictures I wanted to share. One is the first which shows our whole equipment (including the "tentpole-micro" because my girlfriend forgot the proper micro attachment) and what I like to call "greenscreen shot from hell" which is what the original footage looked like.



Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2009, 7:41am

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wow that really is a nasty greenscreen razz For sheer doing-it-in-the-middle-of-nowhere-ness, and randomly dappled natural lighting, I think this might actually trump that heavily creased, fluorescent turqouise one used in that starwars one years back.
Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2009, 8:42am

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Heh, that Star Wars bluescreen tarp you mention was used by none other than Neil 'Hendo' Henderson. I'm not sure whether it's a good or a bad thing that he's now responsible for developing our future compositing software. wink

Really like The Wild, Marco! As others have said, the use of locations is fantastic, each evolving with the story in a subtle manner.

Contrary to what others have said, I thought Sara's performance was stand-out excellent and full of subtleties. The other actors also did a good job, aided by efficient character building - there was a strong sense of individuality from each of them.

I'd agree that the music is a bit bombastic at times, more suited to an action film than a thriller. It worked in the quiet moments, but not so much in the gran moments.

It's interesting to note just how quickly you put this together. Given the emphasis on super-short production time that often accompanies films here, it's exciting to see just what is possible given a couple of weeks, a little energon and a lot of skill.

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Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2009, 12:31pm

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It is an absolute joy to watch a proper movie again , it seems such a long time that a movie is made purely to tell a great story.This was so enjoyable to watch the characters develop in such a calm and insidious way.
Your usual expert cam work is brilliantly underplayed so as not to be noticed and all the better for this story. I really am so impressed with this movie that my sacrifice of putting aside my work to watch it has been so worthwhile.
Your story , pace and style with your brilliant actors has brought upon the cinema a real treat.....I cannot commend this enough....a beautiful
film superbly put together in the highest of film making tradition.

Well Done Marco.

Re-edited to remove in-joke about voting.


Dave

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Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2009, 4:45pm

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Really like the focus and colours on this, what camera did you use? it looks like a fx1 or z1 from the pic, but the focus quality makes it look like you had prime lenes.
Posted: Fri, 14th Aug 2009, 3:10pm

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Thanks so much for the kind receiption. And thanks to Tarns suggestions, the bridge collapse got a wee bit more realism then it had before. smile

I should definately work on my bass levels in the music. I think they're mainly what makes it all sound so epic. Though did want some epicness, it's a bit over target in places. biggrin

I'll gladly pass your compliments along to Jessica (the girl who played Sara), I'm also very fond of her subtle acting. It was the first on camera acting for all three of them, they're all used to stage. But I thought they did a great job for that. It's really really different.

Thank you very much davlin! I'm humbled.


B4uask: It was indeed just the normal classic FX1 with nothing to it. No adapter, no nothing. I had all the settings on manual though and when you know what you're ding with those, you're able to get quite a lot out of the cam. I'm also very happy with hofilmic the visuals came out.
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Wow, have to hand it to you, you got excellent results from the fx1, i'm doing something wrong lol.
Truely excellent work there Marco, can't fault it.
Did you change the frame rate in post?
well done.
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Thanks. It's really just a question of knowing how to frame, when to use what shutter, what iris on what sort of light etc (actually learned quite a lot from old school 35mm analog photography I was able to apply on the FX1 with all it's manual controls and quite excellent lens).
Makes all the difference. I'd say the slogan "It's not the tool, it's the craftsman who uses it" is never so true as when it comes to cameras. I'm sure ben would agree. smile

I never change framerate in post. I find changing framerates a totally terrible thing to do. Ben and atoms "OMG DAY-FOT-NIGHT SUCKS" sentiment is the "OMG LET'S CHANGE FRAMERATE" hatred for me. smile
I would never ever do such a thing as there's really, really no need whatsoever to do it (unless you're doing a film blowup, when you ultimately have to end up with 24p in order to not have your film slowed down on playback) and there's only terrible techniques to do it (especially frameblending, which I find one of the worst things ever to come out of the whole OMGFILMLOOK hype.) If anything, changing framerates makes playback all wobbly and choppy.

Slowmotion techniques is obviously an exception. Though other then that, I'm not a fan of changing the framerate for any reason. As you can see. smile
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davlin wrote:

Well Marco as I promised your 1 star award has been polished to perfection and set on a plaque...just for you......



btw....sorry about 1 star award but the top ten comes first......smile


Dave
So sad, to give such a glowing review and then rate it a 1, just cause you have a film(which I rated a 5) in the top ten.

A 5 from me Marco.
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Uh, davlin rated this movie a 5, buddy. Obviously "humor" didn't compute with you.
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Heh, yeah. It was an inside joke as davlin and me had a fun chat conversation about the subject. No worries. smile
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hehe....I re-edited my post to avoid more peeps coming at me with guns blazing. biggrin

Top Ten...who cares....boooohooo..boooohooo..wheres my shot gun. biggrin


Your movie deserves all the credit available even in the middle of a
credit sqeeeze.

Good luck

Dave
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Absolutely fantastic! Nice work.
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This was a really great shortfilm! I loved the shots, the camerawork and the twist! biggrin

Great work, music was also very fitting!

Hope to see many more films from you, they are always very good! wink
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Atom wrote:

Uh, davlin rated this movie a 5, buddy. Obviously "humor" didn't compute with you.
Well it did occur to me that he wasn't serious, so I looked around to try and find a way to see how he voted, but could not, so I had to take his word for it. My apologies for the false accusation. :0
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In the cinema, if you click the stars under the "rating" section (not the 'rate this movie' bit), it'll show you how people have voted on the movie.

Alternatively, if you want to see how someone in particular has voted, on their profile, there's a link that says "FXhomer has voted on XXX movies. Votes by FXhomer" on the right hand side.

Cheers,
Arktic.

PS - Sollthar, I've not had a chance to watch this yet, but I will hopefully have some comments for you soon!
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Hi voiceover

No apologies needed , it was my stupidity in not realising that to actually find out what I'd voted is not that straight forward.
My humour gets me into all kinds of bother these days.

I did PM you to try to explain...


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davlin wrote:

Hi voiceover

No apologies needed , it was my stupidity in not realising that to actually find out what I'd voted is not that straight forward.
My humour gets me into all kinds of bother these days.

I did PM you to try to explain...


Dave redface
Message received, no problem I just didn't know how to check it. Now I do, I remember checking those things on the old CSBDigital site and even the old FXHome site, with the eye bleeding blue back ground.
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While I had written together a pretty lengthy review I managed to remove the txt file from my desktop. So while I will post my longer take on the film later this evening, I thought I'd just write something short here for now.

First of all, I really enjoyed this film - it's an interesting script, and while we discussed if there were any similarities between this and my film Campsite, they're both quite different from eachother. The slightly diffused look on most of the shots, particularily the evening scenes really work in that they bring a really moody atmosphere to the film. I can't wait to see what you cook up next, and remember, I'm only a phone call away if you need any help when filming your next feature wink

A longer, better review should be up later this evening.

Oh, and 5 stars wink
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Sollthar wrote:

Besides, no one builds his tent in the night, you build it before it gets dark. wink
I pitch my tents at night.
BANG ZOOM ALICE!

I was intrigued and it led me along nicely for maybe the third or half, but then it became a little dull. I didn't really buy all the looks and the tension between the two.

As others have said, pacing is the main issue and in this case it brought it down a lot for me. Other than that, beautiful location! Reminds me of the mountains in Austria, and that's always a good thing!
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Wow dude!
That was entirely bad-ass.
The only problem that I have with it is that it reminds me in a horribly scary way of why I've stayed single all these years. Women will kill you dead. eek
Posted: Tue, 18th Aug 2009, 8:06pm

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Loved this, enjoyable and engaging with beautiful scenery and a nice twist at the end.

I'd have to echo Ben's comments earlier about the score, whilst it was fairly non-intrusive when it was around it felt a little too grandiose for such a slow build feature.

But other than that I thought it was excellent, good acting and the final scene was technically faultless.

5/5 - congrats and can't wait to see your next work!
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Nice shoot. Well done and good luck with your next.
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Right! Another Marco Von Moo’s film has surfaced!

I liked the a lot! To start with, I loved the establishing shots that shot in at the start, really nice grading, framing and location. The character introduction on the first two characters was really nice, loving the quality of the bottle refilling scene too! The sound quality was great all the way through as well. Loved the grading throughout the whole thing, the introduction had some great use of colorization and you seriously know how to frame which made the shots much more interesting to look at. So in terms of technicality this was great! Oh and kudos on the awesomely bad green screen quality, you did a good job on keying that!

The story itself was good, really got me believing the two girls only vaguely knew each other, then the twist at the end caught me by surprise and it was a nice twist. However it did seem like some of the scenes dragged on a bit too much, mainly the final walk to the bridge, it was good and you showed the emotions off everyone well, it just felt dragged. The bridge collapse also looked realistic which surprised me because it took me 3 replays to realise it could be your C4D work. Also the subtitles were wonderfully placed!

All in all I really liked this, nice work sir!
4/5
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Oh, how odd! I wasn't getting an email notification that there had been posts... crazy

Any ways, I thank you all for watching and commenting!


Seeing the pacing has been commented on so many times here, I've done a re-edit which runs 2 minutes shorter. The Day-For-Night filter has also been toned down a lot. wink
The files are now updated. Hopefully that makes the whole pacing a bit sharper.
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But still. No HD? razz
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Watched this yesterday and it was pretty fun watching it. I liked the setting and the story. Very twist at the end.

The jokes were pretty much my kind of comedy; the fire, the wood, and the sausage parts had me laughing pretty good smile

Some shots looked a little odd, but that's no biggie since there were some nice stuff in there.

The whole bridge part I think could use some more touches cause it looks too rushed and fake.

I'll watch the re-edit today if I can cause it did drag a bit. Anyways, 4.5/5. good movie.
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Heh, HD would be an idea, wouldn't it. I shall be working on that! smile
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Very well done. Nice restraint on the fx, and very well executed.
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Just added a HD 720p file, just for you B3N. smile

link:

http://www.nightcast.net/permanent/wild/thewild_hd.mov
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Amazing work! Beautifully filmed making great use of the incredible scenery. Great music and script. I don't think you can do anything less than 100%.Film Festival shoo in. BRAVO.
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Well written film with beautiful music score and cinematography.
All aspects considered, this is the best film short I have seen in a while. The acting and use of natural lighting were also well realized.
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Hi, rated this film weeks ago and then never got round to commenting on it, sorry about that.

I enjoyed it and appreciated the quality of it, but the plot was not interesting to me. Of course that's completely just a matter of personal taste, and I'm not saying that the plot is boring or bad in any way.

Technically it's good, very clean looking, but the day for night is really distracting and took me right out of the film. I thought that the bridge collapse at the end was excellent.

Sorry for rating and not commenting, I dislike when people do that.

Max
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Thanks for the comments everyone!

Wild is doing incredibly well in screenings and festivals so far and I'm happy to have the film screened in cinemas sometime this year - allthough there's no exact date set yet. But I'll update once I know it.


And thanks max for the belated comments. There's no more day for night in the film though, so I'm guessing you catched the early version. smile
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I'l have to watch the new one then, didn't catch it. Been really busy so haven't had a chance to really look at much. I will watch this and update my comments accordingly smile
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News on the Wild front as well!

"Wild" has been showcased in two festivals and is currently running for the annual AFM awards in the following cathegories:

- best shortfilm
- best camera
- best editing
- best directing
- best story
and
-best sound

So we enter in six cathegories. Should be fun. cool
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Good Luck, its a great film.
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Let us know how it goes! biggrin
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"Wild" has successfully brought home the AFM award for "best shortfilm". We're all very happy about the success!
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Congrats sir! Well deserved!
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Great news!

Next question: what are the AFM awards? smile
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Double Feature Awesomeness: Wild has been selected to be screened at the "Winterthur Lichtspieltage", which is really good fun.


Tarn: They're annual awards of german speaking low budget films voted by the indie community itself.

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Congrats, man. These may be a bit slow in pace to my tastes, but they're also rock solid storytelling-wise and enjoyable shorts. Good luck in future competitions, too.
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How did u make the guy fall off the bridge???
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That's a 3D animation. Actor and bridge are 3D models.
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Oh, totally forgot to update:

The Lichtspieltage Winterthur was great fun with an awesome selection of movies and the audience responded really well to the film, earning us great applause and laughter in all the right places (Different to "Farewell", which was the wrong film for that audience and made us giggle as we overheard people discussing "I didn't get it") biggrin.
I was really honored that we were screened alongside Full Budget entirely professional 35mm productions - and totally didn't fall out.

Even more interesting to me though, was to meet new fellow filmmakers and get into a proper exchange with people who work on a level I can look up to as well as more job offers and invitations to other closed screenings for us - one of which being the largest swiss independent festival. It was very, very inspiring evening.

I might get a chance to upload the cut that ran there (which is again a bit shorter and faster paced thanks to some of the feedback I got here)
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Great to hear the film getting recognition and propelling you in the right direction!

What didn't people get about 'Farewell', though? Surely it's a fairly straightforward film? smile
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What didn't people get about 'Farewell', though? Surely it's a fairly straightforward film?
Heh, that's what we thought. But apparently, the slightly "open to interpretation" nature is a bit too much for some people. biggrin
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Not that anyone could watch it, but "Wild" will have it's national TV debut in the prestigious "CH:Filmscene" at the 12. of may. The high quality standard makes us very proud of our selection and is another stone in the films successful run this year.
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Great news, Sollthar! Sounds like The Wild has got you a lot of very positive attention.
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Dude! That's terrific man - Congrats!
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Rating: +1

Thanks! Yeah, "Wild" had a great run so far with lots of nominations and prizes. And now a national TV showcast. Can't wish for anything more from a spontaneous 7 day project.
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Great to hear it's all panning out well - a genuinely well shot and well constructed film, so it deserves all the praise it gets!
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I really enjoyed this. great acting, fantastic scenery and a decent soundtrack. The only thing that held it back a little for me was the directing, which was a little touch and go.

The first rule any filmmaker learns is NEVER CROSS THE LINE. For those of you who don't know what a "line cross" is (and this is described in its most basic form), here is an example:

When there are two characters who are looking at each other, each should be facing in opposite directions when in their own shot. For example, if the first character is facing right to left, the second character should be facing left to right, this is to give the illusion that the characters are looking at each other. If they are facing the same way in each shot, it gives the impression that both characters are looking at something else.

This principle can also be applied to the horizontal line - in this film, where the guy and the girl are yelling at each other on the rocky hill, both characters are looking up, completely destroying the illusion of eye contact between the two, greatly diminishing the realism. THAT, however was my only major niggle (if a niggle can be major?!?!) with the film.

On the whole it was superb. Great story (ropey subtitles but I understand that English is a second language with this team - for example, who says "I'm dry" when they are thirsty? - added to the humour, lol). I also laughed out loud when the girl said "now you can put your sausage in" - brilliant! All in all, a great little film. Apart from some errors on the part of the director, it was well shot, well acted and it had me totally captured from beginning to end, which is the most important aspect of any film! Well done! Five stars from me!

P.S. That was a BRILLIANT twist, I didn't see it coming at all! Awesome stuff!
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Well observed! I didn't even notice that break in th 180 degree rule before just now. The entire thing was storyboarded shot for shot to every single detail to avoid just that. Obviously, I'm aware of the rule I also describe in my filmmaking guide but it's true I've never seen it applied or thought about applying it on the horizontal line before. Fascinating.

Allthough that's DOP stuff, not directing. But since I was the DOP, it doesn't matter much. It's my bad. Heh. biggrin
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Haha, I've done it in pretty much everything I've ever made, obviously by mistake. Often you don't catch it until post! I even had to flop a shot and reshoot the whole "God" sequence because of line crosses... hmmm... storyboarding... I should try that, lol.

Well done though, was bloody awesome!
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Just watched this again. I think I may actually prefer the original slower paced cut, but I'd have to find that file again to compare.

One thing I did notice was CAI's '180 Degree Line' bit in the comments. I may be mistaken, but to me it seems to be more of an issue of mismatched eyelines than breaking the line. That scene is essentially between two boyfriend and girlfriend, and the camera remained on the same side of the characters throughout their dialogue. Not a big issue, as Sollthar obviously understands the rule, but a simple lapse in eyelines is more forgivable than a fundamental mistake in shooting strategy. In my eyes, anyway wink
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It broke the line. The horizontal line, not the vertical line. Exact same rule applies wink Yes, both characters were facing in the correct direction left to right, right to left but that's the vertical line. They were both looking up, which broke the horizontal line. I guess the rule when talked about usually means the vertical line as this is a much less common situation.
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Captain Amazingly Incredi wrote:

They were both looking up, which broke the horizontal line. I guess the rule when talked about usually means the vertical line as this is a much less common situation.
Yes, the actors were both looking up, which is an error in eyelines - not camera placement. The 180° Rule is solely a rule for camera placement - not actors' performances. There is no possible camera position to "fix" this shot, as the eyeline of the girl is wrong to begin with. Simply put, the shots are perfectly sound in every sense - the only thing throwing you off is the direction she is looking.

Furthermore, there is no such thing as a "horizontal 180° line". While the 180° Rule limits the X-value of the camera's placement, a so-called "horiztonal line" would dictate Y-positioning. In reality, one could be as high or low within the correct X-space, as it is perfectly valid to cut between high and low angles from shot to shot (example). Of course, something is wrong in the scene, but a proper filmmaker wouldn't call it 'breaking the horizontal 180° line rule', but rather note that the eyelines are mismatched/bad/off/etc.

I'm now fully explained and feel a sense of peace restored within me. smile I shall not say anything further on the matter.

Soooo.....The Wild - pretty good movie, huh? wink
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Um, crossing the line is only partly to do with camera placement... it's mainly to do with eyelines. Often directors and DOPs will note that the line is being crossed and get the actors to look at the other side of the lens. In fast turnaround television where things happen on the fly, it is common as mistakes get made when shooting 30min+ a day. You don't literally need to move the camera to avoid a line cross (although this does happen too)... Of course on the bigger film jobs, everything is usually worked out completely before the cameras are even placed (although I've been on big budget sets where we've had to shoot again because someone has noticed a cross - no one is perfect). Put it this way, if an actor is looking right to left and it is found to be a line cross, have them look left to right... simple. You don't need to pick up the camera unless the "cheat" completely ruins the geography of the scene - really depends on what's in the BG.

But yeah, cool film smile
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Uhm.. Yeah, so.. Nice weather today, isn't it? smile
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Not too bad... bit cloudy here...
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"Wild" was on TV and... I missed it. razz

Ah well. But apart from that, "The Wild" ran at another contest alongside the national "best swiss short films 2009" nominees which was, obviously, a really cool setup and great showcase being among some films pf that caliber (allthough there was only two of them I really liked).
The audience there responded to the humour in Wild very well and giggled at every detail, which was nice. Haven't yet had a life audience which responded to the humour in the movie as well as these.

I think that was it for the festival run for "Wild" now. First of all, we ran at pretty much all the major festivals and second of all, I've really seen the whole "festival" thing again for a while. I find it something rather weird and pretty unsatisfactory myself. Never really been the festival type.

But we had a good run, took home some prizes and money. So what more to wish for.


Thanks everyone who's been following!
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Good job Sollthar, well done.