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Help Please! Problems importing video

Posted: Fri, 4th Sep 2009, 12:55am

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FXhomer57724

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Ok,
I feel stupid about this, I'm usually good with video programs and stuff like that, but this Vision lab is giving me so many problems..... Here it is, I need to know where to go to learn from step one and up, like how to load a video file and what all the stuff means when you pick blaktime line and there's a lot of video quesions. I have a avi file and I found all the heights and video speed and when I insert it in vidion lab it says Error Ecpectin STring and Object and freezed up and I dont know why. I' have never used a program and the online videos are a little help ful, but I need more help. So, Let me says thanks to anyone who answers this, by the way if there is a detailed PDF manual for this let me know where it is. Thanks!1
Posted: Fri, 4th Sep 2009, 1:30am

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Axeman

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The manual isn't in PDF, its in HTML, and can be accessed via the help menu.

You load a video file by selecting a video when you create a project, or by importing it afterwards. You can import by selecting File > Import media or by clicking the folder icon at the top right of the Media tab of the toolbox.

What is the format of your avi file? Resolution, framerate and codec, please. Where did the file come from, by which I mean what application exported it?
Posted: Fri, 4th Sep 2009, 4:00am

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FXhomer57724

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Yeah, the manual is not helpful at all!! Thanks for anymore help!
Posted: Fri, 4th Sep 2009, 4:07am

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FXhomer57724

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Axeman wrote:

The manual isn't in PDF, its in HTML, and can be accessed via the help menu.

You load a video file by selecting a video when you create a project, or by importing it afterwards. You can import by selecting File > Import media or by clicking the folder icon at the top right of the Media tab of the toolbox.

What is the format of your avi file? Resolution, framerate and codec, please. Where did the file come from, by which I mean what application exported it?
framerate 30 sec. It came from a hd pocket camcorder, a lower price one, I just pulled the SD card and transfered the video from the card to the computer.. 1280x720 It just says Video Clip AVI, that is all I can find out on the video file and I right clicked on it and went to the properities. It was just a trail video clip. I thought a AVI file is a avi file..?
Posted: Fri, 4th Sep 2009, 5:04am

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Nope, an AVI file isn't an AVI file. smile I mean, it is, but there's a lot more to it than that. There are literally dozens of codecs (a codec is a COmpression/DECompression scheme) which the AVI file could be written in. Some are designed to maintain optimum quality and result in huge files, some are designed specifically to make the file as small as possible and throw out wads of data to do so, some try to find a balance between the two.

Have you tried this to sort out your error?
Posted: Fri, 4th Sep 2009, 7:20am

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Do you mean that your camcorder records to a memory card?
If so... then it's not really an avi... it's most likely an mpeg or something like that. That means you have to import that mpeg into your computer via a video editor and convert it to an avi or .mov format from said video editor.

Those type of video formats are very easy and fast to download onto your computer but you end up sacrificing almost all of the video quality for faster upload speeds due to the compression from avi to mpeg.

You've got to get yourself a better camera. But for now you can just convert those mpeg files into .mov or avi

That is only of coarse... if your camcorder records to mpeg.
If not then disregard this post.
Posted: Wed, 9th Sep 2009, 1:52am

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No, actually it records in AVI from the camcorder to the SD card. That is what is listed in the properities of the File. There is no compression on the AVI file, since it was shot in HD. The Auto thing on Vision Lab Wont accept it. I know there are AVI files that are compressed others not and The Divix is sort of an AVI file. I then I remembered it came with software I'm not using, so maybe it is missing something. I will try to use the software and see if that helps..
Posted: Wed, 9th Sep 2009, 1:57am

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spydurhank wrote:

Do you mean that your camcorder records to a memory card?
If so... then it's not really an avi... it's most likely an mpeg or something like that. That means you have to import that mpeg into your computer via a video editor and convert it to an avi or .mov format from said video editor.

Those type of video formats are very easy and fast to download onto your computer but you end up sacrificing almost all of the video quality for faster upload speeds due to the compression from avi to mpeg.

You've got to get yourself a better camera. But for now you can just convert those mpeg files into .mov or avi

That is only of coarse... if your camcorder records to mpeg.
If not then disregard this post.
I made a reply under this as a reply to topic. One time I thought Vision Lab came with a Manual. How on earth do they expect for you to learn about it when there manual is not detailed at all. I know there are video to help with vision lab, but it is hard to watch those and flip back to see the vision lab screen. So, I got Sonar 8 and it came with a book and teaches you every little thing about it. I like to know where Visionlab has something like htat at?? I need to read from someone that knows about the program and how to use the functions, how the functions work. These videos are ok, but they don'g get into a lot of detailed and I spent hundreds of dollars on the program and I'm not buying videos to help me, so any input I would apericate it. Thanks!
Posted: Wed, 9th Sep 2009, 7:56am

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1st off... when you open Visionlab, you'll see a help "text" at the top of your screen. Click on that and you'll have access to a reference manual.

The manual pretty much tells you the same things that the video tutorials do. They show you what the fxhome lab products can do and what they are capable of... and that's it.

If you want to learn something specific, that you may need for your project... you have to post questions and or search the forums in case those questions have been posted before and already answered. Does that make sense to you? I hope it does. I say that, because every effects shot is unique and most of us that know visual effects are familiar with this concept.
For instance... Say you want to have your subject fly... well there are many different ways to do this and there are many things that you need to achieve this effect, which may not be exactly the same thing that you want to do, so you see? there is no manual to achieve any specific effect. You have to use your brain and either come up with it by yourself or ask for help.

There is not a magic button that you can press that will do exactly what you want it to do because you need it for your video clip. That's not how it works with any special effects program. You have to work at it and put some time to learn what you can do with said program which is limited at most times by nothing than your imagination.

That being said... The lab products, their video tutorials, and manuals tell you how to get from point "A" to point "B" and that's all. The rest is all up to you and or the folks in this community that are willing to help you out with your questions that are hopefully very detailed in the effect which you're trying to achieve.

So you see? I'm assuming you're talking about visual effects due to your last question about user manuals.
For all I know... you're still talking about video formats and that's what you're having issues with.
If that's the case... Then once again, your camera may record to HD on a memory "card" but when you import that video from your "card" to your computer... it is most definitely going to be compressed to an mpeg. The only way that I know of, as of yet, to shoot HD and transfer it to your computer is to shoot your video on a miniDV tape and import that video to your computer via firewire. I'm telling you this because any video that you record to a memory card is going to be compressed no matter how many times you tell me that your camera films in HD and saves the video to an AVI.

Again so that you understand... Your camera may record to an AVI format... but... you're recording to, and transferring from a memory card. I'm sorry but your video is gonna be screwed no matter how many times you tell us what format your camera shoots and saves as.
So you need an NLE or other program that can convert your video to .mov or avi
That or you need to invest in a better camera and take a little time to learn about the only two formats that the lab products work with because those two formats cause the least amount of compression and or loss of quality in your video.
Posted: Thu, 10th Sep 2009, 4:19am

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I got a Sony HI8 Digital Camera, this was just a cheaper camera that I wa just messing with, I take this one for those fun trips like camping and stuff....
Let me explain this, years ago we got Pinnacle studio 8 or 9 and the manual that came with it told you every little detail and what every button did and the effect you choose the effect has settings and told you what that ment.
Now, I see that in the Vision lab, let says the laser beam effect, there are a lot of settings, there is a turn dial and stuff in there and that is what I need to know what all that is about in there.. So, if I can get that down, then I think it will be ok. Thanks for the help, help with what I just asked you? Thanks!
Posted: Thu, 10th Sep 2009, 4:40am

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Ah okay... I see what your saying now. I us Pinnacle as well.

Did you find the help icon in Visionlab?
I haven't read the manual myself since I like watching the video tutorials.

If you check out the tutorial section at the bottom of the forums page, you'll see a whole bunch of tutorials made by the fxhome community and staff, that show you how to achieve certain or specific effects and what not. Some are in text with photo visual aids while others have links to video tutorials on youtube or vimeo, or other free video hosting sites.

You can even post a request for a specific effects tutorial that you may need and someone in the community can make one for you if they have the time to do so. But like I said before... almost every effects shot is different and requires a bit of work plus some planning before you even shoot your video.

Yeah so check out the tutorial forum and see if you can find something that'll help you out. If anything, I found that I learned alot by experimenting with the different effects engines in Visionlab and when I couldn't figure something out... I would post a very detailed question in the forums. so if you ever have a question, try to give as much detail and information as you can for a faster and more accurate response. And don't worry... it's nothing but a learning curve, you'll get the hang of it in no time and pretty soon you'll be making great visual effects.

Frank.
Posted: Tue, 1st Dec 2009, 3:54pm

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No, actually it records in AVI from the camcorder to the SD card. That is what is listed in the properities of the File. There is no compression on the AVI file, since it was shot in HD.
If your camera is recording HD to an SD card this it will be compressed, and probably very heavily. Uncompressed HD can take up to just under a 1TB an hour (depending on several factors).