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Fringe Season 2 (Spoilers, episodes air on Thursdays)

Posted: Mon, 14th Sep 2009, 3:51pm

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EDIT: If you see new posts in this thread chances are they will involve spoilers from the latest episode. Beware.

Don't know if we have room for another TV thread, what with the Heroes thread still glowing with replies. Anyway is anyone else psyched for season 2 of Fringe?

This promo really got me back in the Fringe mood. Just seeing John Noble and Leonard Nimoy in the same trailer just gives it a grandness I'm not feeling from any other shows right now.

As far as I know there has been some dodgy slot changing on Fox and Fringe will apparently need a strong season start to keep it's ratings.

Anyhow, Thursday's the day.

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Posted: Mon, 14th Sep 2009, 4:39pm

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This forum seems to be rather down on Heroes, but I really like that show. It's a shame so many here find it lame. I'll still watch it anyway because I think it is better than 99% of what else is on television. I feel that Fringe is better than Heroes. I'm sure there will be those who blast Fringe here as well. Too bad. To the detractors I challenge them to write something more interesting and then get it out for us to watch weekly. I would definitely watch a low budget sci-fi show if it was better written than the aforementioned shows. I much prefer less-than-perfect sci-fi to mindless sitcoms or reality shows. Let's not shoot down shows that give a glimmer of hope of changing the overall trend in modern tv programming. BTW, I actually spend very little time watching TV and prefer DVD if I want to watch something. I enjoy watching peoples posts more than regular TV as well and if someone created a well-written web show I bet many like myself would watch it instead of a TV show. Maybe I should just make one myself...of course I'll already know what's going to happen. I think someone else needs to do this for MY ENTERTAINMENT!!!!!!!!!
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Frederick wrote:

To the detractors I challenge them to write something more interesting and then get it out for us to watch weekly.
Do you really think that's how it works?

I can't wait for Fringe btw.
Posted: Mon, 14th Sep 2009, 6:46pm

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Hell yes. Season one got better and better and ended brilliantly and without fault. If season two starts as well as season one ended, we're in for a treat.
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Fringe is one of the only shows I'll be watching this year. Like I've said, I've never seen a more fast-paced, intense show. It's really similar to The X-Files... actually, it's better. It's amazing they've advanced the plot so far in just one season. You can tell they have a clear end-game in sight. Hopefully, they won't go astray. I think the closing shot of season 1 was one of the greatest television moments I've ever seen. I'm really excited for season 2.
Posted: Mon, 14th Sep 2009, 11:07pm

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I didn't make it more than 4 or 5 episodes into season 1, as it never grabbed my interest. I was excited when it came out, but quite disappointed after those few episodes. I've been hearing fairly consistant reviews of season one lately, though, so one of these days I'll have to give it another try.

JJ Abrams never has a clear endgame in sight. He starts out with a brilliant idea, improves on it for a season or two, then it goes so absurdly over the top that the whole thing gets ridiculous and so convoluted that its nearly impossible to follow. *

*(See Alias and/or Lost)
Posted: Tue, 15th Sep 2009, 12:10am

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freshmentos wrote:

Do you really think that's how it works?
Seriously?

I didn't intend to come across as naive as to the way of the media. I am merely stating that the show is better than 99% of what is pumped at us and we should encourage more shows of this type since we don't have the means to make them this well ourselves. I'm glad others have chimed in with support. I too am excited and cannot wait.
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Axeman wrote:

I didn't make it more than 4 or 5 episodes into season 1, as it never grabbed my interest. I was excited when it came out, but quite disappointed after those few episodes. I've been hearing fairly consistant reviews of season one lately, though, so one of these days I'll have to give it another try.
The second half of season one is mind blowingly awesome. I was put off by the first several episodes as well, but decided to keep watching, and it payed off completely. And once you've seen all of it, you start to realize that they laid the foundation for everything in those first few episodes. Quite cool. I definitely recommend watching all of it.

Axeman wrote:

JJ Abrams never has a clear endgame in sight. He starts out with a brilliant idea, improves on it for a season or two, then it goes so absurdly over the top that the whole thing gets ridiculous and so convoluted that its nearly impossible to follow. *

*(See Alias and/or Lost)
I can't speak for Alias, but JJ Abrams has had very little to do with Lost since the first season. I'm a big Lost fan, and I definitely agree that they didn't have a clear endgame in sight at the beginning, but I believe that the showrunners have had a pretty firm idea of how the rest of the series would play out since late season one/early season 2. It got so convoluted at times because they didn't know how much time they had left, so they had to fluff it out.

Anyway, Fringe, woo!
Posted: Fri, 18th Sep 2009, 8:24pm

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Anyone see the premiere?

Overall, I think it was a pretty good episode. I'm a little disappointed that we didn't get any answers... just more questions. But that's also what's so good about the show. They will give us the answers, but it's a matter of how, and when. That being said, Nimoy had better be in the next episode. smile

[SPOILERS BELOW]

Poor Charlie. sad I saw it coming, but I was still shocked when shape-shifter Charlie incinerated the body. That means he can't come back. Although I'll bet anything we're going to see Alternate Charlie at some point.

Only thing I don't like is the new girl. She'd better not be coming on as a regular, or taking Charlie's place.
Posted: Fri, 18th Sep 2009, 10:16pm

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I just started watching. That was one of the best cold opens they've had so far. Olivia flying out of the parked car was one of the biggest "holy sh*t" moments I've ever had from a TV show.

"I want to see her face when she eats my pudding."

I'm so glad this show is back. This is going to ease the wait for Lost SO well. smile

Edit: Finished! Yeah, that was a good season opener. I had no expectations for it, so I was quite happy with it. Also, I like the new girl. She does kinda seem like the type who will be killed off, but for now, she doesn't bother me.
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Fringe Season 2, Episode 1: "A New Day In the Old Town"

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I liked it. I was really happy that the car accident was explained so early on. I just couldn't find an explanation for Olivia to be in a near accident in the season finale of season 1. I was however a little disappointed that we will have to wait to see what Bellie told Olivia at the last season ending, but that would probably have been a bit much for the first episode of a season. As long as I get to see it, and not hear it from Olivia when she remembers. And I was very shocked about Charlie even though I saw that coming as well. The reason it was shocking is because Charlie was kept alive in the last season when it seemed they were going to kill him off. Also they don't normally people off in the season start of season 2. Still alternate universe Charlie has a scar over his eye so from now on we can call him Badass-Charlie.

Also there was an implausible amount of creative license used to pull the Charlie thing of. In the start of the episode we see the shape-shifting taking about 1-2 minutes to pull off. Then with the nurse there's a small time lapse, but with Charlie, Peter and Agent Jessup hear the shots, then they run, and the shape-shifting has already taken place + he has moved the original body of the nurse in a matter of seconds.

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Posted: Sat, 19th Sep 2009, 5:38pm

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Fringe! I watched the 2nd season premiere with a bunch of equally addicted friends. It reminded me why I loved the first season so much. Sick twists, great to see the Peter character being developed (when he took steps towards saving the division.)
Two things I didn't like:
The new girl. She's not a good actress, and how many feisty, attractive female agents does one show need?
Broyles showing emotion. WTF moment when him and Miss Sharp started hooking up on the capital steps. I preferred him stoic and intimidating
Posted: Sat, 19th Sep 2009, 5:45pm

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Bah! Just watched it. Loved it.

SPOILERS:

Nooooo, agent Francis! Damn, that makes me angry. Can we get him back from the parallel universe which he survives?

I second the WTF at the Broyles and red-haird-Massive-Dynamic lady (who's side is she on?!) hook up.

I actually like the new girl; what's she about though? She closed that Bible, and now I'm a little iffy to what she's up to.

Awesome start. I can't wait for future episodes.
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I second the WTF at the Broyles and red-haird-Massive-Dynamic lady (who's side is she on?!)
Nina Sharp, she's on Massive Dynamic's side. wink


Fringe Season 2, Episode 2: "Night of Desirable Objects"

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Anyone seen the new episode? The show is still taking it slow. I thought the mystery this week was sub par, but I guess they had to ease Olivia back into her job. Also I really hope her super-hearing is a part of her cortexophan treatment. It would be cool if the show had the balls to give it's main character super-powers in the second season. It would be a cop-out if it was only a bi-product of her journey (as Walter implied) and that she looses it after a few episodes. Also the original score has been great so far this season so the composers aren't slacking. I guess Chris Tilton and Chad Seiter are still composing even if they haven't been billed yet. Looking forward to next week.

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Posted: Sun, 27th Sep 2009, 11:30pm

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Again, another good episode. It felt like a really good X-Files episode. I can't help but think they're stalling though. Give me Nimoy already!

Ratings are NOT looking good though. Eerily similar to the Terminator numbers from the beginning of last season. Although it was directly up against the season premieres of CSI and Grey's Anatomy, so hopefully FOX was expecting a ratings dip.
Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009, 7:06am

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Finally caught up on this show. I still had a few episodes from the first season to see when this season premiered.

Spoiler Ahead:

Really liked the first episode. They better make it up to us for killing off Charlie. I'm really liking where this show is going.
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Fringe Season 2, Episode 3: "Fracture"

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Finally a Fringe episode this season I really liked. It's already gaining momentum and the return of The Observer was really neat.

I found myself wondering halfway through the episode if they we're going to waste 3-6 episodes catching this General and that The Pattern wasn't going to return until half-season, then BAM comes the ending.

I have great hopes for this season now.
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Just watched Fracture. My thoughts echo Staff Only's. Btw Staff, mind putting a spoiler warning in the thread's title? That way we wouldn't have to keep censoring our posts.
Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009, 7:03pm

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Fringe is gonna make my head explode.

I can't believe we're three episodes into the season, and we still don't know what happened at the end of last season. Even without these revelations, this season has been amazing. This was easily the best episode... what the heck is going on with Walter and the Observer?

And you've got to love the character interactions. John Noble is in hilarious form this season.

I'm really excited for some "answers" from Nimoy next week.
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jawajohnny wrote:

I can't believe we're three episodes into the season, and we still don't know what happened at the end of last season.

Staff Only wrote:

I found myself wondering halfway through the episode if they we're going to waste 3-6 episodes catching this General and that The Pattern wasn't going to return until half-season, then BAM comes the ending.
Really? Are you guys that impatient? Maybe I've just been conditioned by Lost to never expect answers right away...

I've heard a lot of people saying they're disappointed that it hasn't just jumped right into talking about what happened with William Bell and ZFT, but I think they're doing a fantastic job building momentum. The pieces have been falling into place since the premiere, and I'm really enjoying the pacing of the season so far. It's been a much stronger start than Season 1, and they're working up to the goods at an appropriate rate. Think about how long it took for the real story to start coming through in Season 1. The season was more than halfway over by the time we had any idea what was going on.

I much prefer a show to work its way into things and take a while doing it. Half of what makes this show interesting are the mysteries. I'd hate it if they just revealed everything up front. I doubt we'll see the Observer again for a while, but I wouldn't be surprised if we get more William Bell pretty soon, if Olivia's headache flashbacks are any indication.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Oct 2009, 10:11am

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Maybe I've just been conditioned by Lost to never expect answers right away...
So have I. The difference between Fringe and Lost is that Fringe will be fighting for its life this season. Lost was guaranteed a final season over a year ago. Now that Fox moved Fringe to Thursdays it's fighting CSI and Supernatural (let's face it, together CSI+Supernatural=Fringe). So a lot of people who are both Fringe and Supernatural fans for instance would rather watch Supernatural. Therefore I believe that the only way Fringe can survive is by keeping a strong hold on existing fans rather than leaving the season start open for new fans. (And I urge any US based Fringe fans to watch Fringe, and TiVo Supernatural. Supernatural does not need the ratings.)

I don't feel very impatient and I guess I should have anticipated that they would try to get some new fans in at the season start rather than do a Lost where if you missed an episode you're lost forever. The thing is: the last season proved that Fringe was at its best when it was exploring Fringe mythology (Inner Child) or working on The Pattern (Ability). I thought that after fan consensus last season they would keep the filler episodes to a minimum this season. Fringe has the rare ability to make story arc episodes much cooler than filler episodes whereas in Lost (in my opinion) it seems the story arc episodes are more of a chore where they desperately try to tie up as many loose ends in 43 minutes as humanly possible (hence why I didn't like the last season as much as season 3 for example where filler episodes like Tricia Tanaka Is Dead are classics and some of my favorites).
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Staff Only wrote:

Fringe has the rare ability to make story arc episodes much cooler than filler episodes whereas in Lost (in my opinion) it seems the story arc episodes are more of a chore where they desperately try to tie up as many loose ends in 43 minutes as humanly possible
To me, there are only a few really great filler episodes in Lost. I much prefer main arc episodes, which is probably why I liked so much of Season 5. And I think the good thing about Fringe is that most of the episodes could be considered filler, but they really aren't. There are clues to future storylines in each episode, the Observer is in every episode... There's a framework laid even in the "filler" episodes that adds to the main arc without actually mentioning it.

I guess it wouldn't surprise me if it got cancelled this season, just because it's a good show airing on FOX, which is a bad combination. While something like The Cleveland Show can get picked up for a second season before its first episode aired, just because it's by Seth McFarlane, who is a one-trick pony, if you ask me. I don't pay attention to ratings, but shows do well with poor ratings all the time. And the Nielsen system is pretty screwed up anyway, being that it's only based on broadcast shares. I guarantee you that online distribution makes up a large part of the fanbase. It's the only way I can see the show, for one.
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No no... I'm not saying I'm impatient for answers. I'm saying I normallly would be, but the first three episodes were so good at building up to the big reveal, that I don't really mind. In other words, the "filler" episodes have been pretty good.

On a positive note, the ratings went up slightly from last week. Hopefully, they'll either stay right there, or work their way up to where they were last season. I have a feeling there will be a very large increase for next week, seeing as it marks the return of Leonard Nimoy and the main story.
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Fringe Season 2, Episode 4: "Momentum Deferred"

Wow, just wow. Fastest episode yet. Also I'm really loving how they are developing the show. In Lost (which I love don't get me wrong) the whole reveal of the mystery was sometimes I bit to gradual and sometimes ruined the effect of the initial creepiness (I don't find The Others that creepy on repeat viewings). Here the reveal only enhances the whole thing more. Nina Sharp is once more proving to me why she was my favorite character in season 1. She's just badass. I just have to let the episode sink inn. I'll probably think of something better to say later.

Oh and did anyone think T-1000 when they saw the mercury blood? razz

EDIT: Also "Physics is a bi**h." is by funniest line I've heard in a while. That made me laugh out loud. For a second I was wondering if they were going to reference Star Trek and have him say: "I cannot change the laws of physics.", but this was just as good.

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This is definitely my favorite show right now and I believe it to be the best Sci-Fi on TV since Battlestar.

**Spoilers... Even though you shouldn't be in here if you aren't caught up**

There's only two (minor) things that I don't like with Season 2:

1.) Charlie's gone confused He was one of my favorite actors on the series. But with the multiple universes thing, I guess there can be 2 copies of the same character (except Peter). So in theory, the actor and his character can always make a return... And hopefully in a well written fashion ha.

2.) The New FBI agent. She can't act to save her life. She bland and blah. She's cute but that seems to be the only reason she landed the part (because of knowing the right person). They should have gotten somebody stronger. Good news, she was nowhere to be found in the 4th episode and that definitely made me enjoy it more.

This past episode was awesome imo. I love this damn show. I can't wait until they drop the bomb on Peter that he isn't from the universe that he's currently in. That's gonna be all kinds of drama (I thought that was one of the coolest twists I've seen in any series).
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2.) The New FBI agent. She can't act to save her life. She bland and blah. She's cute but that seems to be the only reason she landed the part (because of knowing the right person). They should have gotten somebody stronger. Good news, she was nowhere to be found in the 4th episode and that definitely made me enjoy it more.
She kinda seems a bit like cannon fodder to me. I'm willing to look past her shady acting because she is really cute, and I have a gut feeling that she's not going to survive the season.

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I can't wait until they drop the bomb on Peter that he isn't from the universe that he's currently in. That's gonna be all kinds of drama (I thought that was one of the coolest twists I've seen in any series).
That's one thing that they totally built up all through last season, dropping super subtle hints now and then. I agree the episode where Peter learns that he comes from the other Universe is going to be awesome. I'm sure Walter will tell him in a hilarious way, too. Written on a birthday cake, or something. wink

I have yet to watch the latest episode, but I'll probably watch it later. Demon's Souls takes precedence.
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Ah man, I was thinking about picking that game up. I'm hearing it's the most frustrating game but the most rewarding. I wanna check it out really bad.
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It's really good. The only times it gets frustrating are when you do something really stupid, but when you die, it's always your own fault. It's not unfair in any way. Otherwise it's just tense as hell. Definitely the most challenging game I've ever played, but I'm hooked. It's soaked in atmosphere, and it really is rewarding when you finally make progress after being beaten countless times.

Anyway! Fringe! Yes, just watched this week's episode, and it was a doozy. The whole "let's bring back this chick I experimented on" plot seemed a little pointless, considering the experiment was botched, but I can only assume it will have relevance later.
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CX3 wrote:

1.) Charlie's gone He was one of my favorite actors on the series. But with the multiple universes thing, I guess there can be 2 copies of the same character (except Peter). So in theory, the actor and his character can always make a return... And hopefully in a well written fashion ha.
I'd bet anything we'll see alternate Charlie this season. We saw a glimpse of him last season... he had a scar on his face. It would be completely pointless to have shown him if he won't appear again this season.

Anyways, great episode, definitely my favorite this season. I think the Olivia/William Bell scene was excellent. Great acting from Nimoy.

EDIT: Mild Spoilers...

Actually, one of the producers, Jeff Pinkner was interviewed by TV Guide when they were producing episodes 8 and 9... and he mentioned that he had just left a set where Kirk Avecedo was filming. So it looks like we'll see more of Charlie.

The rest of the interview is a good read. It explains quite a bit about the process of how Olivia "crossed over".

http://www.seattlepi.com/tvguide/410956_tvgif8.html
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Anyone still watching? They've been airing standalone after standalone (albeit with excellent character stuff), but tonight they finally got back to the mythology. Excellent stuff.

"Please don't tell Peter."
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jawajohnny wrote:

Anyone still watching? They've been airing standalone after standalone (albeit with excellent character stuff), but tonight they finally got back to the mythology. Excellent stuff.
It hasn't aired on the west coast yet, but I get the feeling that this season is going to be a lot better on dvd. There was a long break after the last mythology episode, and then just standalones for a while, and tonight's episode is the last one until April. sad

Five bucks says that when it comes back, we get at least another three monster of the week episodes before it gets back to the main plot. This is reminding me of season 2 of Lost. So much meandering, but when it gets to the goods, it's really good.

Edit: Just watched it. Good episode, lots of cool mythology stuff happening. I half expected to see John Scott show up in Olivia's Cortexiphan dream. Spelling Manhattan with only one T was a nice touch. Also, the lock combination at Walter's Jacksonville lab was 5-20-10, and he said he forgot the significance...

Show returns on April first, and the preview said "Eight straight weeks of new episodes." That puts the season finale on 5-20-10. Sh*t is going down in the season finale! I predict great things for the rest of the season. smile
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Thread necromancy!

Fringe finally returns tonight, with what promises to be quite an awesome/revealing episode. Hopefully I'm not wrong about that.
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I absolutely cannot wait. Fringe is definitely my favorite show on TV right now. As long as there are no more standalones. With Fringe tonight, and Stargate Universe tomorrow, I'm back watching live action TV! I'm interested to see if the long breaks affect either show.
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jawajohnny wrote:

As long as there are no more standalones.
Uhh... there will be. Tonight's definitely looks like a main mythology arc episode, but there are 8 weeks until the finale, so it's pretty much guaranteed that at least half of those will be standalone, monster-of-the-week type episodes.

Don't be too disappointed though, as I'm sure the main arc is going to heat up considerably before May. And the standalone episodes are 75% of the fun of watching Fringe. It's like the X-Files in that respect. Lots of standalones, only a handful of main arc stories, but the main arc ones are always mindblowing.
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I'm just disappointed with the amount of "standalone" to "main arc" episodes. I mean, they spent a ton of time setting up plot points of the main arc last season... only to completely ignore them this season. For example, we are over halfway into this season, and there has barely been a mention of ZFT. Not to mention the quality of the standalone episodes has dropped off slightly compared to last season. Overall though, I think this season has been great... the only "bad" episode being the "unaired" season one episode they threw into this season without explanation, prompting the "Wait... Charlie is alive?"
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There have been passing mentions of ZFT and the stuff last season, but I agree, they kinda need to get on the ball with that. But like I keep saying, you must remember that last season went exactly the same way. The main plot didn't pick up until there were only like five episodes left, and a good bulk of the season could have been considered "filler". The only reason this season has been so agonizing in regard to the main plot is just because we were left with such a huge cliffhanger last season after a good solid chunk of heavy plot movement.

And they didn't throw that unaired episode into this season, they just played it during the season. If you'll recall, it was aired on a Tuesday (not the regular timeslot) and we got a new episode two days after that one aired. It's not considered part of the season, it was just an extra episode to try and get more viewers. You can completely ignore it.
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Apologies for the double posting, but HOLY CRAP that was a good episode. Best of the entire series, methinks. The 80s intro was hilarious, and they finally answered a ton of questions about Peter, Walter's relationship with Nina and William Bell, and the alternate universe. Amazing. John Noble is an incredible actor.

Ps. Olivia actually looked really hot, too. wink
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Wow that was epic. Definitely the best of the series. John Noble needs to win something for his acting this season. "Walternate" smile

Loved the title sequence.
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Yeah, that was genius. "Personal Computing... Laser Surgery... In Vitro Fertilization" Things we take for granted now, but were apparently FRINGE in 1985. Loved it. That and Back to the Future starring Eric Stoltz.

If you don't know already, Eric Stoltz was cast as Marty when Michael J Fox thought he couldn't do the film because of scheduling issues. He was on set for like 6 weeks, and shot a bunch of scenes before Fox freed up some time and Zemeckis re-cast. Awesome. Especially hilarious because of all of Doc Brown's talk about an alternate 1985 in BTTF2. smile

Fringe rules.
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While it could not have possibly lived up to last week, I enjoyed this week's episode. I kind of think they wasted Diane Kruger, although the Inglourious Basterds reference was brilliant. I liked how it was another mythology episode, with the cancer man targeting cortexiphan patients, and being "triggered" by someone (Bell?), just like Nick Lane was last season. Did I hear Lane's name mentioned this episode?

I'm really hoping Nimoy gets some extended screen time soon... didn't they say last year that he would be in the season one finale... and then have an "extended arc" in the fall? Hasn't happened yet, so I'm hoping for maybe this season finale? And what happened to that new FBI girl? Did they just drop her completely?
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I'm positive Bell will at least show up in the finale this season. The finale airs on the date that was Walter's locker combination several episodes back, and he said he couldn't remember the significance. Obviously that's going to be an important episode.

As for agent Jessup, the other FBI girl, she was only in the first two episodes, filling in for Olivia while she was in the hospital. She was never intended to be an important character.
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Nimoy posted this on twitter today:

Leonard Nimoy wrote:

Finishing work on Fringe today. Really good experience. The two parter will air in May.
It's going to be epic.
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Two parter, eh? That's gotta be the finale. Looking forward to it.

Also, I can't believe Leonard Nimoy has a twitter...
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Rating: +1

Just want to say that this week's episode was another of pure genius. Thank you, Fringe, for doing time travel in a unique and creative way, while still retaining the emotional depth that I have come to expect from you.

Seriously, best use of time travel in a tv show, possibly ever. Peter Weller was a perfect guest star, as well. This season started slow, but man oh man, since coming back from the break, it has been 100% solid. Better than Lost, even. And it takes a lot for me to say that.
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Fringe is on a roll! I would have never expected to see a Fringe "musical", but that was brilliant. Amazing character stuff. After a slightly disappointing first half of the season, they've really strung together an awesome series of episodes this month.
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Yeah, that was a great episode. I was a little worried that it would be too heavy on the "musical" side, but the singing was sparse, and mostly satirical. I enjoyed that aspect, and the bizarro 1940s detective stuff really worked. Walter's lab in the story was hilarious.

Also, the beginning of the episode, with Walter hitting some homegrown in his bong and listening to Roundabout by Yes while labeling stuff was hysterical. Walter is the best, and I can't think of any other show that could pull something like that off and have it make perfect sense.

Apparently, you and I are the only people here who still watch this, jawajohnny. Or at least the only people who are still interested in talking about it. Folks be missing out!
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Jerusalem Jackson wrote:

Apparently, you and I are the only people here who still watch this, jawajohnny. Or at least the only people who are still interested in talking about it. Folks be missing out!
Hey, I watch this too! Just got caught up on the season though. The season started off pretty slow but it has ridiculously picked up. I'm glad I'll still have something to watch when Lost is over.
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Holy Kibbles n' bits!
I rarely watch t.v. anymore and happened upon this show on HULU the other day. I think I found my new favorite show. In fact... I like it so much... it makes my dragon balls tingle. eek
Seriously though... this rocks.
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Jerusalem Jackson wrote:

Apparently, you and I are the only people here who still watch this, jawajohnny. Or at least the only people who are still interested in talking about it. Folks be missing out!
Wow, wow, wow. Hold up there. I watch the show religiously. I have very little time to hang around forums and even less time to watch TV right now, but I never miss Fringe. It's by far my favourite show, and my decrease in posting here is generally because I'm using the little time I have left frequenting Fringe forums.

By the way does anyone here support the, The Man from the Other Side (aka Secretary) is Walternate theory? I personally think it will be awesome if this season is Walter vs. Walter. And Secretary? There has been speculation that this is a title akin to Secretary of Defence or the old title Secretary of War.

I'm in class and I have to go. Post more later.
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Oh, I definitely think the Secretary is Walternate. No doubt. When the shapeshifter grabbed Walter's hand and said "I'm sorry", he definitely thought he was talking to Walternate. The last three episodes are going to be mind blowing.

I didn't mean to offend you guys who haven't posted in a while, haha. Me and jawajohnny were the only ones posting for a long time is all. I don't think anyone else checked in since the break, actually.
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Mindblowing, indeed. Although this episode seemed a little slow, the Walter stuff was great, as always. And the ending was just brilliant. When Peter started listening to the music, my dad got up to leave, and said, "I never stick around for the song". I just looked at him and said, "this is Fringe... you might not want to do that!".

EDIT: Is it just me, or did they cut out the title sequence?
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Title sequence was definitely there.

That was a pretty blah episode, but I agree the ending was redeeming. It was also the most "X-Files" looking episode ever. I wouldn't be surprised if they shot in some of the same locations, actually.

Next week looks AWESOME.
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Just caught the latest episode on HULU, It was soooo bad-ass.
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It was also the most "X-Files" looking episode ever. I wouldn't be surprised if they shot in some of the same locations, actually.
Yeah, did you catch the "I want to believe"? smile

Loved the ending. Wish I hadn't already figured out who The Secretary was.
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Oh my. "Over There pt. 1" = Best episode ever? Every second of that was pure awesome.
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Yeah, I don't even have words. Fringe is now definitely the best show ever to be put on TV. And yeah, that means I like it better than Lost, Star Trek TNG, Firefly and Dexter. Wow! No words.
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Fringe is great, but definitely not the best ever to be put on TV. Watch Breaking Bad for an example of a show that is better than all of those.
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While it wasn't as action-packed as I'd hoped, the finale was a great end to the season. Perfect acting by all, especially Anna Torv and John Noble, who each gave two nuanced performances. Really great twist at the end, even though I did see it coming. I can't wait till next fall... it's going to be epic.

And happy retirement to Leonard Nimoy! Such a fitting way for him to go out. smile
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Yeah, I was a little disappointed by the finale. Wasn't quite what I expected, but it had some awesome moments. I thought it was a bit of a wasted opportunity to have Peter discover how to make the machine work, and then they just never bring it up again...

The scene when Olivia tells Peter that he had to come back because "you belong with me" was so stupid and cheesy. Hated that part. And yeah, the twist was pretty obvious, but it'll make for a good third season story. I look forward to seeing where they go. I'm hoping "first people" comes into play.
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The twist was the most disappointing part. I called long before it happened, then I backtracked because: Olivialt isn't a Cortexophan child? How could she open the pathway? Anyway, there were some really awesome parts. The CGI and production values were epic. And let's not forget the acting was amazing. Every scene with both Noble and Nimoy was pure gold. After waiting for almost 3 years to see them together it did not disappoint in the least. I think the problem was that there was no intensity/urgency. There was no ticking clock, or close shave/near death situations. They just kind of managed (for now). And the kiss wasn't needed. It wasn't what made Peter decide to go back anyway, and after all the "Are they ever going to go there?" there hasn't been any build up to that lately. It's been a while since Walter was constantly trying to hitch them. Just came out of nowhere. I got the feeling Olivia was willing to try anything to get Peter back and it ruined their first kiss that she was just (possibly) manipulating him (damn I sound like a chick -.-).

Anyway, can't wait for season 3. And the music was brilliant!
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Olivialt didn't open the pathway. "Real" Olivia opened it when they first came over, and then Walter and William Bell used the machine to enhance the crack that was already there. And Bell gave them all the power they needed. Something like that. smile
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Yes, I went back a saw it again, and the visuals definitely agree with you, but it was a bit poorly handled dialouge-wise. Still nothing a re-watch didn't fix.

Also did anyone notice the anagram on the blackboard in Alt-Harvard-Laboratory? "A demon's twist rusts?". It's been cracked and translates to: Don't trust Sam Weiss. That's really awesome. Now all we need to know is if that was a clue for us, or an actual in-universe clue that some soon-to-be-revealed-character wrote there. At least we can be pretty sure Weiss has been to the other side. To bad I still think "Uncle Eddie" every time I see the guy. Good actor though.
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Had to dig a little to get this thread back. The product placement thread made me think of this show because of their blatant use of Ford and Sprint products.

Is anyone still watching Fringe? If you ask me, they jumped the shark in a BIG way a few episodes ago, with the whole, "William Bell in Olivia's body, and everyone's taking LSD and it's a cell-shaded cartoon, blah blah blah. Worst story arc they've ever done, IMO. Last week's picked up again with some mythology that hasn't been spoken of since season one. Very cool, and the cliffhanger for this week's finale was amazing.

I can't wait to see where they go from here, but I also really hope they got the comicality of the whole Bell thing out of their systems, because that plot was just unnecessary and laughable (and not in a good way). Season three has been overall good, but not as good as season 2 probably.
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I'm still watching. I'm in the middle of the last aired episode. Will see it tomorrow. Was busy studying.

I didn't think they jumped the shark, but I did think Bell's sendoff was a bit shafted. Fringe is still way more consistent than LOST, and more importantly Fringe is still working on the storyline they started in season 1. With LOST the focus started with people stranded on an island, having to deal with this special place and their past, then it changed completley in the final seasons to be about the Island exclusively, and a war going on between two gods/demons(?) that were introduced with actors in the next to last season finale.

I honestly haven't noticed any product placement, and I mind it much less in TV. With shows like Fringe and Chuck they actually need it to stay alive. In Chuck they've even made the "Prolonged Subway-eating Scenes" into a running gag. Fringe has some of the most solid writing, and high production values I've seen in TV. It also has the best acting cutesy of John Noble. Scenes like this (To people reading who don't watch Fringe; just watch the clip. It's even more amazing in context.) you'd be lucky to find in a big movie, far less from people working on a TV-budget/schedule. Even though the LSD episode was pushing it, and Fringe can get a bit too dark, disgusting and depressing to really be a show anyone could ever watch casually, it's sad that such a quality product gets passed up for crap like American Idol and The Real Housewives of New Orleans.
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Hell I'm just glad it keeps getting renewed despite almost consistently having poor ratings. It's definitely one of my favorite shows of all time, but it's also one of my favorite shows to make fun of, because of how completely ridiculous it gets at times.

I am glad it's stayed with the first season plot, but the whole Olivia and Peter being destined to be together thing is a little much for me. That's part of what killed season 2's finale for me, the whole romance angle is just so forced and unnecessary, but hey that's why people watch TV dramas apparently. I don't see the need for the male and female leads to always be a couple. Not many shows escape that trend, unfortunately. But that's a side note. It's still a GREAT show, and this week's episode is going to blow my mind, I just know it.
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I love this show. LOVE IT!!! eek
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My wife and I are still watching it. It gets a bit ridiculous sometimes, but I love that while it can be an intense show, it doesn't take itself too seriously. I still think Walter is the best character on TV right now.
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Heh... I've been meaning to bump this thread for awhile now. smile Fringe is easily the best show airing on TV right now. Or if that's too strong a statement... then it's the best sci-fi show on TV now (Although Stargate Universe has been quite good lately - too bad it was canceled).

Despite the "William Bell in Olivia's body" storyline (which seemed like a lot of buildup to nothing - almost as if Nimoy had initially agreed to come back for more than one episode and then pulled out at the last hour), this season has easily been the strongest one yet. Might have to do with the fact that there really haven't been any standalone "monster of the week" episodes... and if there have been... they still advance the mythology and character development. The first half of the season, especially, is one of the best television arcs I've seen in awhile. Great writing, acting, and effects. John Noble needs to win an Emmy. I mean... who else would deserve to win?


Spoilers ahead!



What do you guys think happened at the end of last week's episode? Peter has obviously fast-forwarded to 2021... and he's definitely in "our" universe, as evidenced by the new Freedom Tower and 9/11 memorial. But then I saw the "Fringe Division" logo from the other side on the soldiers' uniforms. Looks like a merged universe to me.
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Ha! Good point. My first thought was that it could be a 3rd universe that no one knew about, I only suggest this because he didn't travel there in his own body right? He was wearing different cloths and appeared older. Time travel? Kinda like the 80's "Quantum Leap" series. Or time travel into another alternate universe? I like your theory a bit better jawajohnny. It makes a bit more sense. I guess we'll find out this next episode. Can't wait. biggrin
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spydurhank wrote:

My first thought was that it could be a 3rd universe that no one knew about, I only suggest this because he didn't travel there in his own body right? He was wearing different cloths and appeared older.
I think it's still our universe, but it's just like 20 years into the future. It's the same Peter, he's just that much older, and now he's a Fringe Division agent instead of just a contractor for the FBI. I don't think there's any time travel going on, but it could be like Desmond in Lost, and his consciousness shifted forward in time. They've been hinting toward OUR universe becoming more like THEIR universe, with the amber, etc, so it makes sense that in the future, Fringe has their own division, like they do over there.

I really don't even want to guess about what's going on in the finale with the universes. Everything I come up with seems like it wouldn't work. It seems that one universe was destroyed, but there are stragglers somehow. Some sort of merge seems likely, but I don't think it's a whole new universe.
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Sorry for the double post, but... Holy hell, Fringe. This is Lost season 4 level crazy now, and I'm loving it. They managed to tie up everything in the last two seasons, and add one massive new element for season 4. Those last 20 minutes or so were a complete rollercoaster. Amazing. They even turned my least favorite thing about the show (Peter and Olivia's "destiny") into something elegant that makes total sense. It's still way out there, verging on ridiculous, but it's so much fun.

I think it's funny that all of our guesses about the two universes were kind of correct. smile
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Really Dude!? I'm kinda stoked now man! Sounds like it was an awesome episode. I was working on a painting all day and forgot that it was Friday. I hope it's on Hulu. Gonna go check it out real fast. Drool. biggrin

EDIT.
Damn!!! I said Gawd damn! It's not up yet. I'm not gonna be able to sleep till I watch it.
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What an excellent episode that was last night. Other than some of the Lost or X-files episodes, I've rarely watched an episode from a TV show more than once, but I'm definitely going to be watching last night's Fringe episode again.
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That was amazing. No words.
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Just watched it on Hulu and...
Whoa ho ho!!! That was A-Vulcan-Mazing. biggrin
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Wow. Wow. Wow. That was... amazing. And people thought Inception was a mindf*ck?! I really don't have anything else to say at the moment... I'm still just trying to wrap my head around it. I think a re-watch is in order.

I don't think we can even begin to speculate what they have in store for us this fall.