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Custom CDs of plugins/movies

READ BELOW FIRST: How much would you pay for a custom CD? (please consider p&p from england)

about 20 UKP75%[ 9 ]
about 25 UKP25%[ 3 ]

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Posted: Wed, 21st Aug 2002, 10:31am

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malone

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We are considering writing CDs for people who have limited bandwidth (or just like to have things on CD). You would be able to make a list of the movies/plugins you want on a CD, which would then be sent to us to write. We would then post the CD to you (probably within a day or two of getting your order).

We would like to know how much people would be willing to pay for this kind of service. You would get a choice of any of the plugins up to the size of a CD (probably 650MB to be on the safe side). To give you some indication, the current list of plugins comes to about 690MB so you could get almost all of them on a CD.

Also there might be problems doing movies because they are usually hosted remotely, so we might just do plugins. If having movies on the CD is important to you as well please make a post below.

The download service will always remain so dont worry about that.

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Posted: Wed, 21st Aug 2002, 10:45am

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Joshua Davies

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The list would all be automated - you wouldn't have to write them by hand. Just click an "Add to CD" box next the the plugins/movies you wanted. We would also have preset packs that would probably be cheaper as we could mass make them rather than to your order.

I know that we would all like to pay £5 for this service but thats not gonna happen - instead post what price you would be willing to go up to while still being happy that you got a good deal. Then we can work out if we can do it.

UKP = £UK. 1UKP about $1.56 USD
Posted: Wed, 21st Aug 2002, 3:03pm

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Just a couple of questions if you don't mind.

1. is this only for gold users. ?

2. Could you sell the full Alamdv on disc at the same time, ( i see a lot of people asking for a disc version.
Posted: Wed, 21st Aug 2002, 3:11pm

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TMM

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b4: the program comes out soon, within the next month or 2, on cd in shops anyway...

Most people want it on cd, because a. they don't trust online shops or b. cos they don't have access to a credit card or anything like that...
Posted: Wed, 21st Aug 2002, 6:44pm

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I assume the files would be in zip form......but will they be in correct
catergories/sub_catergories so unzipping to correct folders is painless.
The big pain in the a..e when dealing with bulk plugins is knowing where to place them without having to go through the plugin lists to individually
find their locations.
Is there a way anyhow to code/mark/or whatever, the zip files so they can be sent to the correct folders,this would save so much hassle
particularly for people who buy online and have so many plugins to
collect and "play with".....my thought for the day.

Cheers to Spiderman "The Master of the Web" who can now eat 8 pieces
of cake at once....
Posted: Sat, 24th Aug 2002, 9:18pm

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I think if u could set up a disc or discs with all the available plugins(zips)
set in their allocated folders I would be your first cussy. I don't think custom type discs are necessary.
I wish I had one now. lol
Posted: Thu, 29th Aug 2002, 12:27am

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I voted for happy downloading, but im on a cable connection so I can download everything easily. However I think about £5 - £10 would be a good price for people with slower connections.
Posted: Fri, 30th Aug 2002, 9:50pm

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I would quite happily pay £10 fo ra Plug-ins CD - particularly as I don't seem to be able to keep up with the amount that're being created all the time!

I personnaly would prefer the plug-ins not to be zipped as the un-zipping process just takes too long for me!

I would be prepared to pay for the whole collection (which would take up 2+ discs un-zipped) at £10 per disc - no need to be selective on the content - I want ALL the plug-ins!!!
I like to hoard stuff as well razz

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Posted: Tue, 3rd Sep 2002, 11:00am

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oliciv

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Craig wrote:

as I don't seem to be able to keep up with the amount that're being created all the time!
Problem with that is, although it would help, once you had recieved the cds there may already be loads more plugins :p

Craig wrote:


I personnaly would prefer the plug-ins not to be zipped as the un-zipping process just takes too long for me!
And the problem with that would be that less plugins would fit on each cd.
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Posted: Tue, 3rd Sep 2002, 3:52pm

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How about when list gets to 500 put these on a starter disc/discs and then have additional discs at 100/200 for sale at regular intervals as plugins
increase.
This might work and its a good way of keeping a keener interest on the
plugin developement side of things.I'm not so sure of the pricing situation
though.....?
Posted: Tue, 3rd Sep 2002, 5:44pm

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Craig

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I know there'd be less plug-ins per disk - but I'm even prepared to pay for more disks with them un-zipped so it'll be easier for me.

We're already paying next to nothing for something that's brilliant - a few extra pounds going to CSB Digital is money well spent as far as I'm concerned!

Oh, and Davlin - I think that's a good idea! (+1)

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Posted: Tue, 3rd Sep 2002, 6:07pm

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oliciv

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Hopefully soon alamdv will have a feature to automaticaly unzip the plugins for you smile
Posted: Thu, 5th Sep 2002, 2:36pm

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I'd propose to have_all_ plugins already unzipped and moved into
the right directory structure on one DVD!

Since DVD-writers and media have become cheap... Moreover
that way the tutorial-movies and the installer-executables would
also fit on there.

And yes I believe this should be a limited service for gold-members
only.

I'd pay 30-50 UKP for such a DVD...

Regards,
DVAce
Posted: Wed, 11th Sep 2002, 2:34am

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Just being a pain in the ar$e since I am a Foreign Exchange trader I would like to point out the internationally recognised symbol for your currency is GBP not UKP! biggrin
Posted: Wed, 11th Sep 2002, 7:45am

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I just copied the currency abbrev. "UKP" from the poll itself.
But I'd still be willing to pay 30-50 GBP for such a DVD smile
Posted: Thu, 19th Sep 2002, 4:39pm

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The Plugins CD should be totally free, because these are available online freely then why the payment has to be paid for CD. However, the shipping charges can be received from the requestee, but it should also upon the willingness of requestee.


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Posted: Mon, 23rd Sep 2002, 9:08am

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Geez and money now grows on trees or what? Compiling the CD/DVD
costs money, making them, packing up, shipping and all.

And you even want the shipping costs to be paid by CSB???

I think the plugins shouldn't be downloadable for free (at least not
all, maybe a few in a "free"-section) but on a monthly subscription
basis instead.

You want to know why? Because people like you who always
want everything for free ruin every business and kill the good
ideals sad(

DVAce
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Posted: Tue, 24th Sep 2002, 4:34pm

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i thought that when we bought Alamdv2, our £50 wasnt just for the program, but for the additional plugins aswell?

i dont think it would be good to change it as the popularity of the program, movies and plugins would all decrease

well thats what i think anyway, if anybody cares....

dan
Posted: Tue, 24th Sep 2002, 8:03pm

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Craig

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I think we've gone off the initial discusion here -

The question was would you concider paying for a CD of plug-ins or are you happy to download them from the site for free?

There's no plans for the this to happen - it was just a market research affair to see if any one wanted it (I DO!!!!!!). And if they did it, the plug-ins would still be available for download from the site for free as well.

There comes a point when the time/connection charge gets too much in comparrison to the cost you're willing to pay for the plug-ins on a CD.

The £50 was for the licence of the program - anything else is just a bonus!

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Posted: Tue, 24th Sep 2002, 10:28pm

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I have a question too. It may be nothin, but as Im doing a little law reasearch for my own project (dont want to do something wrong, not now) Im just in a law-mood today... smile

If you want to sell a CD with movies from the cinemaarchive, don't you have a law-problem? Some - or better - most of the movies use copyrighted material (mainly music). If you sell those (so you sell whatever is on CD), I think that could get you into troubles. But I'm not 100% sure. Laws about these things are a little different from country to country. Here in Switzerland it definately would be illegal.
Posted: Tue, 24th Sep 2002, 10:58pm

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Sollthar has a point. The redistribution of copyrighted material in any form is, technically speaking, a violation of intellectual copyright laws. If the owners of the said material (e.g. music) want to be mean and seek to prosecute every instance of this 'abuse', I think they could. But they usually overlook such minor infringements because the legal costs of pursuing every case would be too great. The situation is analogous to the 'casual piracy' of Microsoft's Operating Systems.
Posted: Wed, 25th Sep 2002, 2:07pm

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moebius, I don't think these concerns are limited to the cinema section.

There are a lot of plugins (mainly StarWars TM) which probably are
covered by some copyrights...

Regards,
DVAce
Posted: Sat, 16th Nov 2002, 2:31am

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Hrm, I don't think you can charge more than £15 or £20 for it since I recently sent a burnt cd to the states and it cost 6 pounds something after postage and packaging. Also if you are intending to automate it so you are charging a lot for simply burning, packing them up and sending a batch off.

Also the legal issues of distribution do come into play.

It seems to me that this is the sort of service users could provide in their respective countries, cutting down on shipping costs. Also the law is not as harsh on individuals.
Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2002, 12:22am

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yes!!!!!!!!!!!!! razz

That's the best idea! a cd full of plugins!

well you can be sure I will buy it as soon as it's available

thanks god for thinking about us who use 56k connections

thank you very much!
Posted: Wed, 11th Dec 2002, 7:41pm

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Fair enough, put a section in the Buy section, where you can buy CD's with Plug-in's on them, but I personally think it would be a benefit to 56k-er's and really could help them out.

It's no different than paying £25 per month for cable/Broadband right? confused

I think there is a difference with that, there are more benefit's to getting cable/Broadband, rather than just simply buying CD's, you will get to use the cable to dl all the plug's, play top end games on-line and still get what you want faster. biggrin

Not wanting to see CBS lose money, but a pro/con list is advised on this one and think before you do anything.

I would like to see a DVD released for gold members ONLY offer, say £20/£25 for the AlamDV2 (what ever update) program + All the plug's to date on the DVD + A DVD case to go with it all (As I ended up making my own biggrin ). This money would also cover postage and package in the UK only - other places pay for the air package.

DVAce, I totaly dissagree with you, we paid £50 for the certificate to use AlamDV2, I personally feel that this would upset a lot of people (as well as myself sad evil ) if CBS starts to charge us goldmembers to dl plug-in's, it would be a different matter, if say like a silver member was made, the silver members will get access to some of the plug's, but have to pay for AlamDV2 for say £25, instead of the £50, plus also a monthly subscription basis instead for the plug's, or even the idea of buying the CD's, this would make more sence and find that people who are goldmembers would agree.

So CBS, take notice, maybe a SILVERMEMBER would be a good thing to think about and leave us goldmembers with the quote below:

That's why we are goldmembers - access all area's RIGHT?

Rich biggrin[/b]
Posted: Wed, 11th Dec 2002, 7:52pm

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A lot of people can't get broadband even if they want it.

Also you overlook the legal issues still. Yeah people give over the rights to the plugins they make but if someone uses copyrighted material then CSB is in a much different position if they have been selling cds with them on than simply giving them out on the website.
Posted: Wed, 11th Dec 2002, 8:56pm

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There is another problem.......have u looked at the size of the current plugins ...you'd need more than a few DVD's especially if u unzip'em as most people wanted........have word with "b4"about this problem as he tried it for his own stock.
Posted: Wed, 11th Dec 2002, 9:59pm

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So to sum up this whole topic in one easy word:-

POINTLESS.

Let's leave it there gents.

Rich
Posted: Fri, 17th Jan 2003, 6:00am

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Also there might be problems doing movies because they are usually hosted remotely, so we might just do plugins. If having movies on the CD is important to you as well please make a post below
I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot(sorry meter)pole as 99% of the movies I have watched in the cinema have some sort of copyrighted material, audio or video in them and no permission was given. I have seen a couple that give proper credit but still no permission and the whole "no intention or possibility of making a profit" is out the window even if you are just selling the service of putting it on the CD plus P&H it you would be distributing their copyrighted work for a profit. It wouldn't be long before some (music has been's mad ) oink lawyer oink is knocking on you door saying you owe them a butt load of royalties. So just stick to the plug ins.
My opinion only of course. rolleyes

EDIT---I see now farther in the post this has been discussed maybe I should read all the post before opening my mouth redface
Posted: Tue, 28th Jan 2003, 1:45pm

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What about the USA????

I don't know what a GPB or what ever curency is in good old US dollars...

But if you want my opionion, the whole process can get rather icky.

I like the idea of being able to acquire ALL plugins, but my list would be out of date as soon as I recieve it. Cost per disc I'm willing to pay: $5 per disc.

I like the idea of tracking or selecting plugins to put on a disk, but I would inadvertenly forget I have on and pay for it again! (Unless the system remembers you have plugin "# 458" or something like this and warns you. Cost per disc I'm willin go pay: $5.00

As far as Zip files go, thats fine, just create a self extractor that will exctract them into the appropriate subfolders within the program to avoid any confusion or set up. (Install program?)

Now the real value would be butting the PROGRAM itself on a CD, and BOXING it with a printed manual and selling it in retail stores, WITH the most current plugins as DISC 2, DISC 3 etc....... Charge a nominal fee for the disc as the plugins themself are free. (extra $2-4 for the discs) and put the program ON SALE for like $55 in the US to get the ball rolling!! If you do this, I will stand at my local BEST BUY store and personally put one in every bodies cart as they shop and tell them it's the best thing since sliced bread!

RB
Posted: Wed, 29th Jan 2003, 10:26pm

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anonymous

I think i speak for alot of people when i say that i think that i would buy alamdv 2 if it was on a disc
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 12:47am

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broderp wrote:

What about the USA????

I don't know what a GPB or what ever curency is in good old US dollars...

But if you want my opionion, the whole process can get rather icky.

I like the idea of being able to acquire ALL plugins, but my list would be out of date as soon as I recieve it. Cost per disc I'm willing to pay: $5 per disc.

I like the idea of tracking or selecting plugins to put on a disk, but I would inadvertenly forget I have on and pay for it again! (Unless the system remembers you have plugin "# 458" or something like this and warns you. Cost per disc I'm willin go pay: $5.00

As far as Zip files go, thats fine, just create a self extractor that will exctract them into the appropriate subfolders within the program to avoid any confusion or set up. (Install program?)

Now the real value would be butting the PROGRAM itself on a CD, and BOXING it with a printed manual and selling it in retail stores, WITH the most current plugins as DISC 2, DISC 3 etc....... Charge a nominal fee for the disc as the plugins themself are free. (extra $2-4 for the discs) and put the program ON SALE for like $55 in the US to get the ball rolling!! If you do this, I will stand at my local BEST BUY store and personally put one in every bodies cart as they shop and tell them it's the best thing since sliced bread!

RB
i aggre 100%
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 2:03am

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It is going to be on cd

its coming out whenever (ask them lol)

I think they had said there would be some plugins with it, or all? and there will be manual etc etc

-MAGIC
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 10:04am

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Why are you not writting it onto DVDR?

Then you could simply place everything ever on one DVD and sell it for £30.00.

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Posted: Sat, 15th Feb 2003, 10:19pm

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Here's my opinions:

The idea seems good but I think we should pay cd cost + p&p + some money for the time taken by Alam DV. CDs cost about 40p, p&p would cost £2-4 and Alam should be given a few £ for time. I don't think u should charge more than £15 for each CD, I think £10 is reasonable for people in UK.

Plugins only take about 1min for a 1mb file, even with 56k modem, so for majority of plugins we dont need the service. But for larger files (there are some plugins that are 14-30mb!) and movies the CD service would be really useful.

I dont think u should start charging for plugin downloads. Part of the uniqueness of Alam DV is it is always evolving, its capabilities are advanced with every new plugin made. Many plugins are made by Alam users & tho not plugin maker myself, *they* should not be charged. Really tho, I think the charging idea is unworkable cos being able to download plugins free was one of the things I took into account when buying the program. eek

To make it cheap for the many US Alamers you could have a US contact who downloads wanted plugins & movies via their broadband. US users could place their orders via the website & then u could then pass on orders to them so that no doublecrossing occurs crazy This would make postage cheaper for US users at least.

Maybe u are trying to think of ideas of generating new money, cos I kno once people have bought the program there's no way of getting more money from them unless u bring out new version or more programs (eg chromanator). I kno this sounds blunt but its true if u think about it.
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One service that you could offer & charge for is movie hosting. I myself haven't uploaded any movies yet cos good value video hosts are difficult to find & cost a lot. If u acted as the middle man for hosting I'm sure u could make profit cos u have a large, readymade band of consumers. I for one would really find it useful... biggrin

Sorry again for bluntness, I have a very cynical outlook on life wink

Beneath this crusty exterior lies a heart of gold though oink
Posted: Sat, 15th Feb 2003, 11:04pm

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There's no money in hosting media files iin fact it would be hard to break even. I know the guys have a lot of costs just in hosting plugins.
Posted: Sun, 16th Feb 2003, 12:11am

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Yeah, I thought afterward, what about the plugin hosting? Maybe we should all contribute something towards plugin hosting. I just dislike the thought of paying money evry month for them, I'd rather pay yearly so its off my mind sooner rather than thinking about money going out of my bank evry month!
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I really do support what csb dig are doing and want to support them in every way possible.
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I think the best way would be to release a disk with as many plugins as possible on it, sell that to us, then bring out another disk with more plugins that can't fit on the 1st one, etc etc, and release an update disk say every 6 months.

It would be silly to have silver users as well as gold users, itd be unfair on them - one rule should go for all.

What am I trying to say? If Csb dig need to charge us more money otherwise theyd be running at a loss or v little profit, then we must accept this & just be grateful that they're here for us in the first place!