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Posted: Fri, 6th Nov 2009, 12:08am

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Did anyone else get a chance to see this? The new series on ABC. I just finished watching it and I gotta say I wasn't too disappointed. The only thing that hurt this was it being limited to 46 minutes. ABC should have really pushed for a 2 hour season premiere.

The most surprising thing to me is the scale of effects that we're starting to see on television. Show's like Battlestar, Fringe and now V (and soon to air, Caprica) are making great strides towards this (obviously Battlestar takes the cake).

The one thing I cannot stand, that seems to be the new common thing throughout series, is the whole "Air 4 episodes and then take a break for a few weeks". I hate that. And it seems they're going to be doing the same thing with this show. With a new series like this, I can only see it hurting the viewership.

I watch most of my stuff online through the networks websites or hulu. But I hate when I look for the next episode in a series only to find out "Oh, they stopped it for a while... It'll be back on in a few weeks or a months..." Because I usually end up forgetting about them until the series is already 2-3 more episodes in..

I just wonder if that tactic really works for viewership. If not, then why the hell do they do it? I'm fine with a mid season break but the constant breaks are beyond annoying. Apparently I'm hearing with V that they're to air 4 episodes, break and then resume in the spring.
Posted: Fri, 6th Nov 2009, 4:32am

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I got to see it, it was great. I'll definitely tune in next week. The fx were very good for a TV show. Can't wait to see how the story unfolds.

The acting at some points wasn't convincing enough, and the tone wasn't appropriate. It just didn't feel tense enough when the V's arrived. There were no eerieness and creepyness involved, and the fact that 3 weeks went by didn't help.

But like I said, it's still pretty good; better than what I've seen of the old version (slow paced 80's editing that makes me wanna stop watching TV).

This is the second ABC show I'll be watching. V and Flashforward. Flashforward beats every other new show out there, but I won't go into that.
Posted: Fri, 6th Nov 2009, 4:41am

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Watched the Pilot last night and was pretty impressed. The "arrival" scene was executed very well, as you said, the effects were great. I think some the writing was a little iffy, didn't really buy the whole "My mom is never around so I vandalize property" angle. Maybe that will get filled out later.

Oh and while the effects were good all around, it bothered me how many obvious digital sets they used. All I could see when Bailey Salinger from Party of Five was on the spaceship was "greenscreen".

Overall though, good premiere, and I hope it improves, because it's got a lot of potential.
Posted: Fri, 6th Nov 2009, 9:08am

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Anybody else watching Stargate Universe? I've never really liked the previous Stargates, which always seemed a bit too cheap and cheerful for me, but Universe is fantastic. The reason I mention it specifically is the VFX, which are largely extremely impressive - in the pilot there's a couple of shots which you couldn't ever imagine seeing on TV just a couple of years ago.

Looking forward to seeing V at some point.
Posted: Fri, 6th Nov 2009, 9:16am

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Nice, I gotta check that out, Tarn. I could never get into the past Stargate's because of exactly what you mentioned. Though I'll definitely give Universe a go if it's different.
Posted: Fri, 6th Nov 2009, 9:35am

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Yeah, I'd recommend it, especially as you're a Battlestar fan. They've definitely been inspired by BSG's style. Make sure you watch it from the start, though.
Posted: Fri, 6th Nov 2009, 3:20pm

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Tarn wrote:

Anybody else watching Stargate Universe? I've never really liked the previous Stargates, which always seemed a bit too cheap and cheerful for me, but Universe is fantastic. The reason I mention it specifically is the VFX, which are largely extremely impressive - in the pilot there's a couple of shots which you couldn't ever imagine seeing on TV just a couple of years ago.

Looking forward to seeing V at some point.
I've been watching SGU since the pilot, I really like the pace and character development even though it sometimes seems a little predictable. Plus it's really cool that every episode is based on the one beforehand... What?... Someone's actually telling a... story?
Sorry if there are other shows that do this as well... I rarely watch television.
Posted: Fri, 6th Nov 2009, 7:57pm

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A lot of other shows do that spydurhank. But like you said, you don't watch much Tv
Posted: Fri, 6th Nov 2009, 8:23pm

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I've been watching Stargate Universe, even though I haven't seen any of the previous incarnations. I think it's pretty good so far... the characters (Robert Carlyle!) and the visuals are outstanding. My only complaint is that so far the use of the ancient "communication stones" has been really lame so far. I hope they don't keep using them to visit their loved ones all the time... it's really boring and takes you out of the normal flow of the episode. For the most part though, it's a great show.
Posted: Sat, 7th Nov 2009, 1:54am

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i saw v too i enjoyed it
Posted: Fri, 13th Nov 2009, 1:10am

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Well, the second episode ruined it for me. If it doesn't take a turn for the better in the next episode, I'm not going to watch anymore.

This show should have more closely followed the original series in terms of plot progression. While I never saw the original, I know that they took their time putting the aliens in a position of democracy before they were revealed to be hostile. The first episode of this series should have been the finale of the first season. If they had introduced the characters, and taken their time to build a mystery about the hostile alien presence on earth, it would have been much more of a mind f**k when the ships arrive and claim they're of peace.

I believe they did it the way they did because they were afraid that building up the suspense wouldn't be enough to hold viewers for an entire season. So they essentially made the 46 minute premiere an abbreviated version of what could have been an entire season's worth of plot. It's like a synopsis of what's already happened. "Aliens show up, turns out they were already here, and they're hostile" we knew all of this before the credits rolled, and to me, it killed any tension that could have come up later.

Add to that the fact that the writing is just awful, and characters don't seem to have any real motives for anything they do, and this show falls flat on it's face. I don't care to know what happens next, because the biggest reveals of the season have already happened, and the rest are just going to be "WHO ARE THE CYLONS!?!?!" It feels forced, and it's just a network drama wrapped in a sci-fi package, when it should be the other way around.

Color me disappointed, but not surprised that yet another promising sci-fi show got it wrong (FlashForward being another. What an awful show that turned out to be...)

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Posted: Fri, 13th Nov 2009, 1:18am

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Aculag wrote:

(FlashForward being another. What an awful show that turned out to be...)
Yep. Stopped watching after three episodes. Incredibly boring.
Posted: Fri, 13th Nov 2009, 5:46am

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Saw the pilot. 18 plot points in the final 10 minutes? Yikes!

Don't think I'll be watching, at least not avidly. Maybe a Hulu here and there, but the story progressed too easily and predictably far far too quickly. Alan Tudyk dies in the first episode? Was he meant to be important? Guess not.

Show seems hasty as hell.
Posted: Fri, 13th Nov 2009, 6:10am

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It isn't very good so far. But Tudyk does come back in the second ep. He's easily the best actor on the show, it's a shame he has such a small role.
Posted: Fri, 13th Nov 2009, 9:05am

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Aculag wrote:

It isn't very good so far. But Tudyk does come back in the second ep. He's easily the best actor on the show, it's a shame he has such a small role.
So far, that could be said for a lot of Tudyk's career.

He should be in more stuff, with more screen time. Bit like his Firefly co-star Nathan Fillion.
Posted: Fri, 13th Nov 2009, 9:30am

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I have to say I think probably Alan Tudyk's largest screentime role is, and one of his best performances in my mind, Sonny the robot in I, Robot. Totally underrated but still fairly well-used/cast actor.
Posted: Fri, 13th Nov 2009, 9:38am

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Agreed. While Andy Serkis has fairly received a lot of attention for his mocap performances, it's a shame Tudyk and I, Robot didn't get more recognition for Sonny. In fact, I'd say I, Robot is underrated in general - it certainly has its flaws, but it's got some great stuff in there as well.

Tudyk's s also memorable in 3:10 To Yuma. He's an actor that can switch from comedy to seriousness within the same scene quite effortlessly.
Posted: Fri, 13th Nov 2009, 9:41am

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I thought about mentioning 3:10 to Yuma too, but I thought lots of it went without saying as he's just one of those actors great for those sideroles- he just works to great effect.
Posted: Fri, 13th Nov 2009, 10:48am

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V seems alright. Totally agree with Aculag, they could have done it in a better way, they've lost an element of tension right there (mainly with the warehouse fight and its reveals). As it stands, their acceptance seems very quick and visually there isn't much to accept the leap the characters are making (apart from wheelchair dude standing up in the previous ep).

Tudyk's definitely underrated. Nathan Fillion's doing alright though, he elevates Castle into a fun quip-filled 40 minutes and the show seems to be fairly successful.
Posted: Fri, 13th Nov 2009, 5:02pm

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Honestly, the rest of the house and I were watching the 2nd episode last night and we weren't so mad at. We were completely contempt until the last 10 seconds where they proceeded to ruin the entire series for us.

All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again... Shyea... No kiddin
Posted: Mon, 16th Nov 2009, 6:42pm

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I've been following V since it's pilot, and I've enjoyed both episodes so far. A little far fetched on some of it, but otherwise good. Maybe it's just me, but did anyone catch a political message in there? Like I said, it might just be me..
Posted: Tue, 17th Nov 2009, 3:50am

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It's not just you. It's a pretty common conception, as far as I've noticed, that the visitors are an allegory for the Obama administration (Hope, Change, Universal health care, etc.) Personally, I think that's a bit batty, but there are certainly similarities to be drawn, and I'm sure the right-wingers (and conspiracy theorists) will take it literally and start saying Obama is a reptilian and wants to eat your children. Ahh, shock politics!
Posted: Wed, 18th Nov 2009, 2:14am

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WOW! Tonight's episode was amazing! Holy crap I'm hooked! I'm starting to like this as much as Flashforward.

This show has plenty of stuff going for it, and to think the end of the Pilot should've been the season finale is just crazy. It's not like everyone didn't already know the V's were lying before watching the show. Heck, the commercials said 'They Lied'. So we know they're not being honest, but what are they hiding?

That fifth column storyline is pretty great too. ABC has it going this year with these new shows!
Posted: Wed, 18th Nov 2009, 10:37pm

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I'll keep watching this show for Laura Vandervoort, alone.
Posted: Thu, 19th Nov 2009, 2:49am

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CX3 wrote:

I'll keep watching this show for Laura Vandervoort, alone.
Surely she's not always wearing her alien ambassador uniform! Let's see what the hot alien girls wear to bed... wink
Episode 3 edit: Okay, that's more like it!

Edit: Episode three... What to say? The writing is godawful, and most of the actors can't figure out how to make it work, but at least the story seems to be going somewhere. Am I the only one who thinks Elizabeth Mitchell's makeup is atrocious? Maybe I'm just used to her more modest look on Lost, but her eye makeup makes her look like a hooker, not an FBI agent. And it's terribly inconsistent as well. That's one thing I like about Fringe; at least Anna Torv looks like a real FBI agent and isn't all sexualized. Oh well.

I'll watch at least the next episode before the break, but I get the feeling that it isn't going to be enough to hold my interest until it comes back.

Edit again: Oh, also: "Hey grab my glasses for me will ya?" ugh, stupidest, most obvious ambush setup of all time.
Posted: Thu, 19th Nov 2009, 7:40am

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True... But I guess we got to see what hot alien girls wear to bed...
Posted: Thu, 19th Nov 2009, 8:54am

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And if we get to see that every episode, this show will win Emmys. wink
Posted: Fri, 20th Nov 2009, 2:54am

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Aculag wrote:

And if we get to see that every episode, this show will win Emmys. wink
Well in the previews for next week it hints that Anna will take her clothes off smile Maybe this show will win Emmys.

And I agree on the FBI woman, she doesn't look the parts one bit. I don't buy her as Tyler's mom or as an FBI agent. It didn't bother me much in Tuesday's episode cause I knew what I was getting in, but last week was torture. Every second she was in I kept asking myself what the makers of that show were thinking. I'll buy Angelina Jolie being some hard core assassin, but Erica in V just not working out so far.

Unless she turns out to be a V that has amnesia. That would explain why she's all sexualized since all the Vs are attractive.

So how can Ryan be in love with his human fiance? The dude is a lizard! That's like me dressing in an iguana suit and falling in love with an actual iguana. What makes it more weird is how that V FBI agent was saying how much it was disgusting to wake up by his wife everyday, while Ryan just can't get enough.
Posted: Fri, 20th Nov 2009, 3:38am

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RodyPolis wrote:


Unless she turns out to be a V that has amnesia. That would explain why she's all sexualized since all the Vs are attractive.
Actually, I've been assuming that this is what they're setting up. With the whole "Anyone could be a cylon, I mean V" thing, and the "you lost your memory, now go into the matrix to get it back" thing, and the "I wasn't the only V in the FBI" thing, especially. Almost seems a little too obvious, but these writers don't seem to mind obvious.

So how can Ryan be in love with his human fiance? The dude is a lizard! That's like me dressing in an iguana suit and falling in love with an actual iguana. What makes it more weird is how that V FBI agent was saying how much it was disgusting to wake up by his wife everyday, while Ryan just can't get enough.
Probably the same reason that Laura Vandervoort can make out with Tyler. Because this show is inconsistent and has a terrible writing staff. wink

Also, why the hell do the Vs refer to themselves as Vs even in the company of their own kind? That's pretty dumb.
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I think the Vs have a plan for Tyler. I think they need someone who's truly devoted to them, I don't know why yet though. I don't think Lisa has feelings for Tyler, she just wants him to have feelings for her. Guess we'll find out.

I really don't think the writing is bad though, it's pretty good IMO. Too bad there's only four episodes this year, that sucks.
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Ehh... The fact that the V's can fall for humans isn't really a big issue. I mean, the only thing that sets them apart is the reptilian factor. Other than that, they emote and feel and all of that stuff. So complaining about that is a bit of a stretch. Humans and Cylons got together, no big deal. The iguana thing doesn't make too much sense either because you couldn't even communicate with it, let alone doing anything else with it..... confused hah

But I will say that the mom and her son are the worst thing to happen to this show. The son looks straight out of a 90's television series and is written exactly like one too (He missed his calling as Shawn from Boy Meets World). And the mom does not sell the FBI agent role at all. Joel Gretsch (The Priest/Father) is the man though. I've been a fan of his since the 4400 (which is another show that makes me sick that it got cancelled - It killed Heroes in every way. Much smarter writing).

What's funny is that Alan Tudyk pulled off being a more believable FBI agent than Elizabeth Mitchell. It kinda took me by surprise seeing him as a man of the law but it worked for me.

Anyways yea, 2 of the important lead characters blow.
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RodyPolis wrote:

I think the Vs have a plan for Tyler. I think they need someone who's truly devoted to them, I don't know why yet though. I don't think Lisa has feelings for Tyler, she just wants him to have feelings for her. Guess we'll find out.
I guarantee you it's "alien/human hybrid baby". There is no reason for them to set up Tyler and what's-her-name as being instantly attracted to each other. Again, "Obvious" is the mantra of this show.

And yeah, it does suck that there will only be one more episode this year. Add to that the fact that this show comes back the same week as Lost, and it has "Fail" written all over it. Unless they air it right after Lost, in which case it may actually have a chance!
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Aculag wrote:


I guarantee you it's "alien/human hybrid baby". There is no reason for them to set up Tyler and what's-her-name as being instantly attracted to each other. Again, "Obvious" is the mantra of this show.
I don't think that will be it, sounds too lame lol.
Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2009, 1:55am

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I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if it's the alien/human hybrid baby. If it wasn't, I think they would have just killed all the humans already. I mean, why else?

It can't be the fact that they're looking for some kind of Artifact because I think that would be lame. The only reason the baby thing would be kinda dumb is because it would mimic what we've already seen before in other series/movies. Which isn't a bad thing (depending on the particular series/movie)... But we've seen it already.
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I can't think of anything else it could be. They're instantly attracted, he's assimilated, they get setup on the lameass pizza date, and then go back to his place and make out for five seconds, and then she goes home to tell mommy he's "the one."

I would be surprised if that isn't it.
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Anyone see this week's episode? Alien/human hybrid baby ahoy! Though, not from the expected source (yet.)

Episode 4 further cements this show as being an inconsistent, meandering mess, and further demonstrates my point that whoever does Elizabeth Mitchell's makeup needs to be fired, and replaced with someone who isn't blind.

Quote of the day: "We analyze in all four dimensions, the fourth being time." If I could roll my eyes any harder, my entire head would fall off.
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Maybe they're hungry?

This is funny to me so don't become offended, I can't help but wonder why the show doesn't accurately portray how the American government, health insurance and pharmaceutical companies, and the FDA would react towards the universal health care plan of the Vs' since they all conduct themselves much like a dishonest car mechanic, sometimes they only fix your car a little or cause other symptoms in your car so that you have to keep coming back for repairs.
You'd think that, that all by itself would be cause for all out war since they would be the ones losing money.

Oh and I also noticed the makeup issue today when I watched it on Hulu.
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So the finale was pretty good. Too bad I gotta wait 4 months.

I think they're taking so long to come back because they have to make the show less bold and controversial. Like the whole V's are the Obama administration, now the flu vaccine isn't safe.

I'm not someone who usually go deep into stuff, but I've heard talks about the show offending some people.
Posted: Mon, 30th Nov 2009, 9:18am

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I'm curious how this show is simultaneously cheap, lazy and poorly written with bad make-up and silly plots, while at the same time being bold, controversial and deep. Seems to be quite a disparity of opinion here. smile

Looking forward to checking it out, either way, when it reaches UK shores.
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Tarn wrote:

I'm curious how this show is simultaneously cheap, lazy and poorly written with bad make-up and silly plots, while at the same time being bold, controversial and deep. Seems to be quite a disparity of opinion here.
Well I don't think this show is cheap at all. The CGI is one of the best, if not the best, I've seen on a TV show. The bad make-up they're talking about I think is beauty make-up, not alien make-up. The make-up on the FBI agent makes her seem more like a supermodel, that's why no one buys her as being FBI. I think it's fairly controversial and deep, and I got no problem with the writting. So I guess to each his own.

No way as good as Flashforward though smile
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So here's my take on it.

Amazing concept for a television show. This is the kind of plot that can't reach it's full potential in a two hour movie, similar to Lost or Prison Break. The visuals are simply amazing, and the acting is fairly decent. It had one major flaw, as many of you have pointed out, which is it's predictability, which stems from a mix of poor writing and obvious cliches. But hell, they've thrown some genuinely surpassing twists our way, which leads me to believe that the writing will get less predictable.

It's still a great show, but it should have been a lot better. I didn't really have a problem with the makeup much, but than again I don't really have an eye for those kind of things. I enjoyed the variety of actors/actresses though..