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'Roulette' - Trailer

Posted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009, 3:24pm

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-Coming January 2010-
You thought luck was random? 'Roulette' tells the story of Jake, a student who finds out his luck is a lot more predictable than everyone else's. The film follows him as he discovers his 'condition', which he must learn to master or live in fear for the rest of his life.

Scott Tanner returns with his fifth film, 'Roulette', due January 2010. Starring Andrew James, Andy Cruickshank, Jo Tivey and Steve Morris.

Copyright © Scott Tanner 2009


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Posted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009, 5:33pm

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Very cool! I've been following this one for what seems like ages in the forum, so it's great to see it coming together. This trailer is nicely edited and put together, laying down the story basics without spoiling it too much.

Acting seems decent, especially for this kind of production, and there's a nice variety of locations. Some of the camerawork is unremarkable but it's never bad, and there's a few shots in there that are FABULOUS.

Main thing I'd say is to perhaps look at the grading. It all looks a bit flat and lacks drama currently. Compare the title shot of the roulette table, which is great, with the rest. You need some more atmosphere in there.

Looking forward to it!
Posted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009, 6:03pm

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Wow dude! eek
Awesome job A.E. Glad too see that it's coming along fine.
I've been waiting for this as well, ever since you let me read your first rough draft script.

It's great to see all of your characters come to life.
Posted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009, 8:22pm

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Rating: +1

This looks good. Slick editing and a good economy and variety of shots with an intriguing premise. Not much to say about the acting, it's between bad and so-so, but it doesn't necessarily have to be the greatest for a trailer.

Some of the shots look really well-orchestrated and professional, others look incredibly underlit and on-the-fly; which means the cinematography is a mixed bag, but that's okay just the editing of this makes up for it with some very cool and quick cuts and appropriately-picked music choices. (Although I must admit I'm a little sad you used the Sherlock Holmes trailer music- but it fits.)

The only few things editing-wise that bring the overall thing down are the repetitive/unecessitated/silly credits at point (Like putting every single actors' name in the end and showing them; putting 'Scott Tanner presents a Tanner Productions Film'- I mean, well, duh. wink) and bits of off-putting/ill-fitting grading that throw off composition of the work as a whole (some of this goes back into differences in lighting/lack-thereof)- but as a whole it works for the most part.

Looking forward to the film, good job!
Posted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009, 8:30pm

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Rating: +1

Yes! Now that is a trailer! cool

This does indeed look rather cool. The narrative of this trailer works really really well (it could maybe be shortened a bit - especially with the credits. I don't really need to see 4 shots of the actor with his name, it's not like he's a star and I care who he is anyways... but apart from that, it has a firm grip) and shows nice production values and sense for drama and story. Really cool!

I second the commend about grading. Currently, the footage looks flat und rather uninteresting colorwise and takes the whole production down to consumer visuals. It's not the angles, as they mostly work fine, it's really the grading. it needs more contrast and vibrant colors - like the roulette shot for example.

Here, I made a quick test with one of your shots to show how much you could get out of the whole thing:



It would be a real shame if a production like this would be taken down by the lack of grading to make it look more. Grading is such an important tool.
And currently, the problem with these shots is that their color spectrum is all over the place. There's no consistent "look" in your film. Every scene looks different.

There also seems to be some odd sound editing in there. Generally, the sound quality is okay (though it sounds like a camera mike in some shots) but soundmixing could add a lot of punch to it all. I'd be happy to advise you in that area as I've gathered quite some experience here in the past years.

Also, I hope you'll find someone to compose an original score for this. It's a real shame seeing so many original ideas and an original setting spoilt by music everyone knows...


All in all, this is very very promising and seeing you've taken so long and put so much into it all I hope you take that bit more to add that extra 10% in every department you can.

If I can be of any advice or give you input, feel free to contact me. Only if you want, of course. If not, I'll shut it. biggrin
Posted: Sat, 14th Nov 2009, 8:21pm

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Thanks for your comments guys!

Grading seems to be what's letting this down. I'll admit that I don't know too much about grading; I'd never really considered having an 'overall look' to the film, but now you mention it, it makes a lot of sense. All I can say in the grading's defense is that I wanted it to be subtle.

I personally hate filmed that LOOK like they've been graded, and I didn't want Roulette to have this problem. It has the potential to look unprofessional; and since I'm no expert on grading, I thought I'd better just leave it alone. I do agree that vibrant colours are great, but I've seen quite a few movies of here where the colours are just lurid. Sollthar, I feel quite humbled that you took the time to make and upload that little comparison picture, though I personally feel your 'graded' picture is perhaps a little over-graded. I am, however, interested to know how you created it; I'm guessing it wasn't just a single grade object with a few filters, is there some masking going on in there?

At Atom: I will agree with you that the cinematography is a bit of a 'mixed bag', but even if the lighting is inconsistent, I at least hope the shots are nicely framed and tell the story.

Keep your comments coming, I wouldn't ask if I didn't want them! biggrin

AE
Posted: Sat, 14th Nov 2009, 8:43pm

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I know what you mean. My example was just randomly thrown together and was extreme to get a point across: Just how much you can do. smile
Obviously, grading can go whatever way you want: subtle, ott, and so on.

The thing with grading is, it's not just an add on. Grading is necessary to make your shots consistent. Unless of course you have a cinematographer who knows his way perfectly around lighting, different light levels, colors and frequences (to must amateur filmmakers, "lighting" is just a matter of wether something is visible or not, maybe create a shadow here and there - they're not even aware that light has different frequencies hence resulting in a different color scheme when picked up by a camera).


When images have their color schemes all over the place, it's obvious that the cinematographer didn't know about that and however well they are framed, the images will be let down by that because cinematography is much more then framing. And the audience will notice that it looks "different" from what they're used to see even though they won't be able to tell you why that is.


Grading isn't just a "filter" you add, that's correct. It takes several filters combined and a lot of playing around until you get what you want. As I said, you can go for any look you want. You can even take the "ungraded" image and take that as your look if that's what you're after. Then you will have to get through all the other shots and make them match.
Grading is about adjusting the contrast levels and the gradients and white balance to match. So that when you cut from one shot to another, it still feels like the "same scene" - if you know what I mean.


Everything you watch nowadays is graded. Cinema films, TV movies, TV series. Everything. Some are graded better then others, but they all are. So grading is nothing to avoid in order to "not look graded". Because grading doesn't describe a look, it's a process to "get" a look. Whatever look.

And yes, there's quite a lot of examples of grading gone wrong. Especially here in the cinema. Then don't take these as an example. smile


Hopefully that helps.

Good luck with the film
Posted: Sat, 14th Nov 2009, 9:10pm

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Yeah AE, my comment wasn't so much about framing- although there's still a contrast of expertly-framed shots and so-so ones- it's generally pretty strong. The lighting is more what I was getting at, as the patterns of light and change from no lighting at all to well-lit scenes can be jarring and pull your production down with that 'inconsistency' marker.

This isn't to say you were lazy with the lighting, not at all, but certain sacrifices have to be made on either side; and I know that. You want a certain excellent location, you may not have lighting control. You want cinematic lighting, you might not be able to use the best possible location.

It's a tradeoff, for sure, and I can't knock you on that. I'm just saying it threw me off a bit, having shots that look 'raw' (without lighting or grading) contrast with shots with subtle grading and well thought-out lighting. There's not much you can do about this right now, but it's just one of those things that brings this down from excellence to a different level of 'good' for me.

Like everyone, myself included, has already mentioned I'll say it again: Grading.

I can understand your reservations about having a movie that screams 'I graded this!' but honestly that's a stubborness you're going to have to let go of until you get to a point where all of your shots are properly framed and lit to an expert degree, and the camera you shoot on is just that cinematic- that's the point where grading becomes a supplement- a set of tones that enhances the story and gives it style.

Here, this is not the case. With something like this grading is necessary- as it is for many people (myself included) to blend all of your footage to a consistent tone (both figuratively and literally) and to give it that extra cinematic punch it loses with a lack of lighting or lens equipment.

This isn't to say grading can make up for lighting or camera quallity- it can't. But grading is a tool for the better- it can and will give your movies the punch they need to push to that extra level of cinematic feel, and can patch somewhat over the holes in your production if you swing it right.
Posted: Mon, 16th Nov 2009, 12:23am

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Pretty cool trailer. It did it's job and got me interested to see the final product. But really, as the others said, you're in badly need of grading. I can understand you not wanting it to look too graded, but 75% of what you have now looks like raw footage while the other 25% looks undergraded. It has no cinematic look to it, everything is flat. So if you can work on the image for the final product that would be really good.

So yeah, pretty cool stuff and I'm looking forward to it. But work on the grading, seriously.
Posted: Wed, 18th Nov 2009, 2:12am

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Thanks for your continued advice guys!

Could someone please rate this so I can get it somewhere in the box office charts?

AE
Posted: Wed, 18th Nov 2009, 1:29pm

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I'm impressed with the way this trailer has been put together. It does everything a trailer should do. I really look forward to seeing the completed project.

As of now, I'm following the production diary.

It would be good manners if FXhomer100986 could explain the one star rating.
Posted: Wed, 18th Nov 2009, 2:51pm

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Seeing his other ratings, he's a friend of JSK Films and just got bothered by the competition... smile
Posted: Wed, 18th Nov 2009, 4:08pm

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I agree ,its a well put together stylish trailer.....look forward to complete movie.

Good work guys


Dave

quote Ashman

"It would be good manners if FXhomer100986 could explain the one star rating"
Yes indeed.
Posted: Tue, 24th Nov 2009, 6:34pm

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It's fantastic to see this in the flesh at last. Remember reading the script a while back and being really impressed with the whole thing. I think any comments I have on the trailer have already been mentioned by others. But congratulations on getting this film finished and roll on January 2010