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Canon 7D test footage

Posted: Mon, 23rd Nov 2009, 4:18pm

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I bought the canon 7D yesterday and I am very impressed with the results. I shot and edited this video this morning. All footage was shot at 1080 and 24fps. I edited and color corrected in vegas. If you are looking for a good quality camera in the $2000 range, this is a great buy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSo0N1ZdGtg
Posted: Mon, 23rd Nov 2009, 4:27pm

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Lookd great, that's the 2nd stills camera i've seen that does excellent 1080 footage.

Did you use the same lens it came with and what frame rate is it? the other one I saw was only 30fps.

Also what do you do for recording sound?

Great footage thanks for sharing.
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Great demo, superb-looking results, thank you for posting them smile
Posted: Mon, 23rd Nov 2009, 4:28pm

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The 7D has a built-in microphone, but can also connect another device via a minijack on the side.

Great looking images, btw. This is gonna be my next camera.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Nov 2009, 4:32pm

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ben3308 wrote:

The 7D has a built-in microphone, but can also connect another device via a minijack on the side.

Great looking images, btw. This is gonna be my next camera.
I love how the second people see a cool thing they are all of a sudden sold....(jk)smile
Posted: Mon, 23rd Nov 2009, 4:37pm

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No, I've actually been researching this for quite some time, and have used maybe 30 different cameras over several years before reaching this decision. biggrin
Posted: Mon, 23rd Nov 2009, 4:42pm

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ben3308 wrote:

No, I've actually been researching this for quite some time, and have used maybe 30 different cameras over several years before reaching this decision. biggrin
My mistake, as usual... tard
Posted: Mon, 23rd Nov 2009, 8:08pm

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Thanks guys smile. bruask30male, I shot all of the above at 24p, but this camera is capable of 25fps and 30fps at 1080p. This camera also shoots 50fps and 60fps at 720p and 480p. I used the same lens it that it came with (28mm to 135mm zoom). However, a few hours ago at a friends house we shoot a bee landing on a flower with a 50mm prime. The footage looks amazing, but it is on his card, so I don't have it with me right now.

Great demo, superb-looking results, thank you for posting them
Thanks and your welcome smile

This is gonna be my next camera.
Good choice. You honestly can't beat it for the price.

I'm working on a test short with a friend that we will shoot on Wednesday and it should be done by this coming weekend. The hard thing about this camera is editing. It shoots H.264 so it is difficult to edit (at least in Vegas).
Posted: Mon, 23rd Nov 2009, 9:32pm

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Meh, and I just invested in a Letus adapter and now this. Annoying. Very annoying.

Are there any full res videos online somewhere to download and analyze? I couldn't find anything through google. Would be interesting to see how good the image quality of the videos is, eg how good the chip is.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Nov 2009, 10:33pm

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Sollthar wrote:

Meh, and I just invested in a Letus adapter and now this. Annoying. Very annoying.
Yes, and here's somebody else who was very upset to find out about the 7D just after he'd bought something else:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZp9WMy4ihg

Note: German speakers (like you, Marco) will probably need to turn the sound down to appreciate this.

(Warning: Frequent use of the F-word, but just in captions on the screen. And yes, I know this isn't "original" but it fits the topic at hand.)
Posted: Mon, 23rd Nov 2009, 11:19pm

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I don't know... I was really looking foward to getting this camera in a few months but from all the footage I've seen it seems to have massive issues with handheld camera movements.
Posted: Tue, 24th Nov 2009, 1:06am

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I don't know... I was really looking foward to getting this camera in a few months but from all the footage I've seen it seems to have massive issues with handheld camera movements.
What camera doesn't? This camera body was designed to hold the body in one hand and the lens in the other. Actually, I find it easier to hold this camera than my old one. Don't let that be to big of an issue. Just youse a tripod or a stabilizer.

BTW, I'll have some still pictures up later.
Posted: Tue, 24th Nov 2009, 1:16am

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Mmm, I dont think so, I know most hdv camera's have movement issues. My HV20 has them but not the extent this camera does. I mean look at the most of shots in this, nearly all of them get distorted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgFULJ5GGLk

Now I'm not trying to rag on your camera or your decision to buy it or anything I'm just going off of what I see. And I sometimes like to use the very slightly jittery camera in films and I dont think I could do that with this camera. I know thats not a big deal to some people but I dont wont to be restricted as to what I can do with the camera.

I'm going to do some hands on stuff in the near future with the camera then I can for sure say what I think about it. If it wasnt for the movement issue then I would buy it in a heartbeat.
Posted: Tue, 24th Nov 2009, 1:16am

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Reborn777 wrote:

it seems to have massive issues with handheld camera movements.
He might be referring to the "jello-vision" effect of CMOS imagers -- they don't deal well with "shaky cam" type filming. This is pretty much true of all CMOS imagers, due to the rolling shutter read-out of CMOS chips (vs. CCD's).

Edit: OOOPS! Simultaneous post with Reborn777 above. Yes, that's clearly what he's talking about...
Posted: Tue, 24th Nov 2009, 1:39am

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I see. I thought you where talking about hand shake its self. You can counter act that with a faster shutter, but yeah that can still get annoying. Both, CCD's and CMOS sensors have their ups and downs. When a CCD is exposed to bright light, it flares up where as a CMOS doesn't. A CCD's whole sensor is exposed at the same time where as a CMOS has a rolling shutter much like a film camera does. In my opinion, I prefer CMOS. With this camera, I think the pros vastly out weigh the cons.
Posted: Tue, 24th Nov 2009, 2:21am

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No, CMOS sensors are definitely worse. But they can be made larger for cheaper, so we use them when/if we have to. biggrin

Seriously, though, this has been known about for a while and the Nikon D90 came out well over a year ago. Sorry to all the people who just bought stuff, maybe return it? The 7D takes massive stabilization, but isn't truly unwieldy to stop rolling shutter/shake. A friend of mine uses cheap aluminum rails he got on eBay connected to the shoulder stock from an airsoft gun. Clever, because it's cheap and adjustable and works really well.

Some clever home-engineered (and yet solid, professional-looking) ideas to use with this camera work well, whereas some of the aftermarket 'pro' items (a lot of Zacuto's offerings) look and are stupid, like the Z-finder, etc.
Posted: Tue, 24th Nov 2009, 2:44am

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Zacuto is the biggest joke of the amateur filmmaking world. Their prices are ludicrous, and the products themselves seem unwieldy. You can definitely do better on your own for a fraction of the cost, I agree.
Posted: Tue, 24th Nov 2009, 8:33am

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The 7D sure looks nice and it appears that its more advanced than the 5D mkII in some ways. I hear the bigger sensor on the 5D mkII makes for even better footage (especially in low light) but the cost difference seems to make the 7D the indie filmmakers camera of the moment.

On a side note, anyone tried the DSLR redrock on the 5D mkII?
Posted: Tue, 24th Nov 2009, 10:28am

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Just a note about sensor size in general...

That large sensor is what gives you the narrow depth of field, and funnily enough is more of a *limitation* of 35mm film, or it was, before DoP's started getting arty with it! Just remember 35mm film is exposed vertically in cinema, horizontally in stills cameras, so a full 35mm stills frame is much larger (over twice the size, in fact) than a widescreen movie frame of film. That means a *narrower* depth of field than an Arri 535, and as we can see in the test vid, the hyperfocal is quite narrow in the shots provided. I don't know the sensor size on this camera, but it's something worth considering for those purists out there!
Posted: Tue, 24th Nov 2009, 11:30am

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Thanks for the info, pdrg. Schwar, I have a friend who tried the 5d mkII out who said that one can not change the frame rate in 1080p mode. I You have to chose either PAL or NTSC with no other options. I think it may be able to do 50p and 60p in 720p and 480p though. I saw some of the footage he shot at in airshow with it and it looked great. Like you said though, the great thing about the 7D is the price and I think the quality of the image is above many prosumer video cameras which cost +$2000. I plan on making a short film with it either tomorow or friday, but it's a busy week so anything can happen.
Posted: Tue, 24th Nov 2009, 12:21pm

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The only problem with taking a click click camera and telling actors you a pro film makers makes me sudder, however!!

this will help!

http://www.filmmakermagazine.com/summer2009/dslr.php
Posted: Tue, 24th Nov 2009, 12:46pm

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At NAB earlier this year these cameras were basically all anybody was talking about. General opinion seemed to be that over the next few years the video and stills camera markets will probably cease to be separate, at least on the semi-pro level.

The only problem with that, of course, is industry inertia, which doesn't like change.

b4uask30male wrote:

The only problem with taking a click click camera and telling actors you a pro film makers makes me sudder, however!
That was one of the issues raised at NAB. It's also a union thing (surprise surprise!) because some of the stills photographer and videographer unions are separate, and the idea of a stills photographer now also having access to high quality video on the same device is apparently terrifying some video guys.

Just the usual luddites desperately moving against the inevitable tide of history (Rupert Murdoch style), rather than embracing the new opportunities.

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Posted: Tue, 24th Nov 2009, 2:32pm

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Tarn, are you arguing that Murdoch is progressive or luddite? I think it could be successfully argued both ways. He took News International papers onto digital presses outside of Fleet Street, he bought MySpace, etc., yet he was late to bring his papers online (remember 'currantbun.com'?) and he seems hell-bent on controlling as much of the media as possible so he'll dictate the technical eco-system...
Posted: Tue, 24th Nov 2009, 2:34pm

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Crikey, that's a bad time to write vaguely. razz

I was calling him a luddite. His anti-Google stance is fairly hilarious. Buying MySpace at precisely the wrong time also kinda feeds into that. smile
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[quote]The only problem with taking a click click camera and telling actors you a pro film makers makes me sudder...quote]

That's is why you should show them a demo first. I thought the same way when I first heard about it and had my doubts...

I am totaly happy with this camera. I shot a lot more video today at 1080-24p and 720-60p (which I plan to convert to 24p for slow motion). I am shooting the short film called 'Fun' on friday and I'll edit it over the weekend.
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Something also to think about is that the EU actually ensures that these cameras are seen as 'still' only and impose limits of things like the Panasonic Lumix GH1, which can only record 30 minutes of footage, maximum. This is because it's subject to higher tariffs and such if it's able to shoot over that amount - then it'd be a 'camcorder', and not a 'camera'. As such, Panasonic saw fit to actually include firmware restrictions to ensure they wouldn't be paying any fees for camcorder sales. biggrin
Posted: Tue, 24th Nov 2009, 9:03pm

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What about the codec? This records h264 right? So what's that like to grade, I would imagine it breaks down pretty quickly.
Posted: Wed, 25th Nov 2009, 1:17am

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Good question swintonmaximilian. You're right, it does record h264 and it is a pain in the butt to grade and edit (at least in vegas), so I am looking for a way to convert it to a more manageable format. The video I posted was edited in h264, but rendered out as a wmv. If anyone has a good way to convert the video, please let know.
Posted: Wed, 25th Nov 2009, 10:39am

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Interesting mini-article on some of the topics raised here:

http://filmmakingcentral.com/fmc2/2009/11/25/reviews/the-death-of-dof-adapters/
Posted: Wed, 25th Nov 2009, 11:35am

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Personally, I am most excited for Panasonic, Sony, and Canon's prosumer video divisions' responses these cameras. I'm sure this new crop of DSLRs are snagging customers away from the aforementioned companies, as the article suggests, so these companies will be forced to respond in some way. Currently, the cheapest HD camcorder with interchangeable lenses that I'm aware of is the $6000 Canon XL-H1A....and even then you still have deal with miniDV tapes, HDV, and that damned Canon 24F. There is plenty of space between a $1500 7D and a $6-8000 XL series cam to make a $2-3000 video-oriented hybrid I would think.

While it would be a compromise in some respects, I would imagine they could stick the internals of a 7D or 5Dmk2 into a traditional video form factor, add full manual controls, and have plenty of space to add XLR, storage, and maybe even a copycat H4N as an onboard mic (!). That camera, with an MSRP of ~$3200 would be the quintessential indy filmmaking camera, and its a direction I hope the next generation of camcorders will gravitate towards.
Posted: Wed, 25th Nov 2009, 1:38pm

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Another related article:

http://photofocus.com/2009/11/25/my-first-evaluation-of-the-canon-7d-as-still-camera/
Posted: Wed, 25th Nov 2009, 2:09pm

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Thanks for the links, Tarn. The auto focus is amazing in this camera, almost instant. It is all most always actuate too. Later today I'll post up some stills I have shot and a few slow motion clips if I get the chance for those.
Posted: Wed, 25th Nov 2009, 2:56pm

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A huge thanks to Rockfilmers i've stuck my hvx200 and it's lens kit and will buy this canon and the h4n sound recorder, however just incase someone else wants to use the h4n with it, it's worth watching this clip, it shows how much out of sync it goes with the camera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UlVK-jxJdE
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B4Uask is right to point out that sync is tough - neither device has a high-accuracy crystal controlling the recording rates, so you *will* lose sync, either quickly or slowly. You can fix it in your NLE by trimming a few frames every time it starts to get noticeable (easier than trying to scale it to the exact length).
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pdrg wrote:

B4Uask is right to point out that sync is tough - neither device has a high-accuracy crystal controlling the recording rates, so you *will* lose sync, either quickly or slowly. You can fix it in your NLE by trimming a few frames every time it starts to get noticeable (easier than trying to scale it to the exact length).
For me personally, this is one of those issues that kinda bugs me at the moment. To have to do this in the editing process is what would get me to consider the EX1 or an EX3.

However, I'm sure as it has been said by others that the very near future should bring some exciting leaps.
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Yep, it's a pain in the rear, although remember most shots/takes will be a few seconds/minutes long, so you'll reset sync each time anyway with each edit. It's the longer shots where you'll get into trouble.

But don't forget, this is an age-old problem - shooting film has always had this issue. As long as you use a decent clapperboard and scene/slate numbering system and remember to read the slate when clapping it too, you can slowly, painfully, assemble the audio and sync.

Most NLE's will allow you to visually plot the audio on the NLE track, which is great as the clapperboard will give you a very sharp spike which you match up with the frame where the sticks hit smile
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pdrg wrote:

Yep, it's a pain in the rear, although remember most shots/takes will be a few seconds/minutes long, so you'll reset sync each time anyway with each edit. It's the longer shots where you'll get into trouble.
This is true
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I just experimented with keying out in my garage. Unfortunately, I could not get proper lighting for good results so I'll try again tomorrow. It is supposed to be overcast so that will really let me see how well footage keys with this.
Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2009, 4:37pm

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I imagine it's a bayerised sensor pattern, in which case you should get the best results with a green rather than blue screen.
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You are right. First thing this morning, I put my dog on the green screen and it keyed almost perfectly! The edges look amazing compared to miniDV. I can not wait to see this on a full sized green screen. Here are some before and afters. Shot at 1080-24p with an ISO of 100. I used a chroma key with no pre-key grading. I use levels, erode white, and gaussian blur to adjust the alpha matte.



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Not bad at all!

That is one small dog. smile
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Yeah, when we first got her, I was always scared I was going to step on her lol.

Yeah, I wasn't sure how the compression was going to handle the keying, but these results make me optimistic.
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Ooh, let's see some motion on that greenscreen!
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Ooh, let's see some motion on that greenscreen!
I'll get it up as soon as I can. I also shot some cool video at 60p today that I will slow down to 24p. It looks great in the preview, I can't wait to see it on my computer. I'll post the a longer demo this weekend.