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Plugin placement a thought.

Posted: Sat, 24th Aug 2002, 12:50pm

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davlin

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I've mentioned this before, I know,but one niggle I have with the downloading and installing of our now massive amount of plugins is the
placing of f/x in the correct category folder.If a system of perhaps a
pre-fix of a number/letter/etc on the zip file (the plugin makers could do this)to match the corresponding "codes" on the folders/sub-folders.
Then unzippping the little buggers would be more fun especially if u made a mistake ,like me,and forgot to transfer files prior to un-installing....
PLEASE LAUGH QUIETER.....I CAN HEAR U FROM HERE.
What do u think folks?

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Posted: Sat, 24th Aug 2002, 2:23pm

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b4uask30male

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i don't know about other people but i have added some of my own plug in folders to the ones that are offered.

for eg: the " misc " has gone from the new version of alam.

but i agree i sometimes have trouble trying to find where to put those little buggers. razz
Posted: Sat, 24th Aug 2002, 6:02pm

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otteypm

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The plugins I have installed had the correct folder with the zip file, meaning I only had to select the AlamDV plugin folder and everything unzipped to the right place.

Maybe check your Zip program under a PATH heading or something, I haven't d'loaded any for a while though so I might be talking pants.
Posted: Sat, 24th Aug 2002, 8:16pm

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davlin

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otteypm wrote:

The plugins I have installed had the correct folder with the zip file, meaning I only had to select the AlamDV plugin folder and everything unzipped to the right place.

Maybe check your Zip program under a PATH heading or something, I haven't d'loaded any for a while though so I might be talking pants.
Hi "otty"....It would be a time saver if it worked that way (as in first para.) .......sadly it does'nt.
Imagine if u have just downloaded and purchased ALAMDV2 and you
want to stock up on your free f/x plugins (about 400 at this time) and
many people would try to do the lot so they can "play around" and test
them, it can be a tedious excercise.
I know we are only allowed to download one at a time so as not to
choke up the sysytem but to do each procedure individually for each effect i.e...1....Locate f/x list
2....select f/x
3....locate and make a note of category/sub category....XXX
4....download
5....unzip file to noted category folder...XXX
and so on can take forever.I like to download all that is needed to my
hardrive then unzip to their specific folders.
Point 3 gives me the pip....if the file had a prefix code u could send it on
its merry way without searching the list for its home.
I accept that u can select the category section of the f/x list and work
through them that way knowing that what is downloaded from there
is unzipped to the corresponding folder but I do believe that if the
little buggers had some kind of prefix it would be a lot easier/quicker or
is it just me brassed off cos I made a balls up.
Posted: Sat, 24th Aug 2002, 8:34pm

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otteypm

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Aha I have perfected the fine art of talking pants.

I see what you mean, I had a look through some of the old ones and the file path stated in the zip file starts at the effect name not the effect category, which is one step too late.
Posted: Sat, 24th Aug 2002, 8:44pm

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davlin

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otteypm wrote:

Aha I have perfected the fine art of talking pants.

I see what you mean, I had a look through some of the old ones and the file path stated in the zip file starts at the effect name not the effect category, which is one step too late.
Thanks 4 quick response "otty"...

PHEW!...I thought I was missing something for a minute.....which
would'nt surprise me but do u see my point?
Posted: Sat, 24th Aug 2002, 9:38pm

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Yeh, probably a word at the start of the zip filename would make them easier to categorise, numbers or abbreviations would mean too much cross referencing.
Posted: Sat, 24th Aug 2002, 10:05pm

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TMM

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i personally d/l the zips into a specific folder...

i have a folder in my documents called alamdv2zips and in this folder i have "flammable" "movies" etc etc...

that way i can unzip them with ease smile
Posted: Sat, 24th Aug 2002, 10:25pm

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davlin

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otteypm wrote:

Yeh, probably a word at the start of the zip filename would make them easier to categorise, numbers or abbreviations would mean too much cross referencing.
I can see you fully understand my point.......and u r right my idea would
need to be cross ref. Who knows the plugin makers might come up with something.
Cheers "otty" and thanks for your input.

For "TMM" ...Yup I do the same and then put on disc but that does not solve the problem e.g.this time round a large number of plugins have been
repaired/updated so my back up files on disc ,which are organised like yours,
have been rendered (cough) useless or as good as.So its back to the
process as explained. cry
As "otty" says if it were possible to have a small abbreviation as a prefix
to the zip file it would smoothen out the process .
thanks "TMM"
Posted: Sat, 24th Aug 2002, 11:54pm

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malone

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Plugin makers dont actually select the plugin category anymore, I do smile

I originally devised the category system so people didnt have to trawl through a straight 400 plugin list to find what they want. It was only done like this to help website users, I never really intended it to be mirrored by the program. But Schwar decided he liked the default categories and added them to the program too (but only the first sub directory). Theres no reason to stick to this naming, you can put all your plugins in the same directory if you want (thats what I do). Or if you have lots of plugins you can organise them in a way that makes sense to you.

The other thing about the category system on the website is that plugins can be in 2 or more categories, but you cant do this in AlamDV. Im also quite likely to move plugins or create new categories. Theres quite a few now that dont fit in the existing categories. And theres some categories that could do with being split up.

This is what I would do to download and install a lot of plugins

1) Browse the site and download all the zips I fancy into a single directory on my hard disk
2) Use some command line unzipping program (pkzip) to unzip them all at the same time. Unzip them all into the root plugin directory.
3) Use my file manager to create directories and organise the plugins into a system that makes sense to me (kinda like how i organise my mp3s). Most of the plugin directory names give a good clue to what they are and im sure I could organise them from that.


As for the broken plugins thing, I know that must be a real pain, and we're really sorry about that. They shouldnt have been let through in the first place. Theres now a system that automatically checks them, so very few should slip through anymore.
Posted: Sun, 25th Aug 2002, 11:02am

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davlin

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Thanks "O Wonderous Cake Eater"...I did'nt realise that the category
placements were not that important,I thought it may have effected
the function of the program if the categories were'nt adhered to.

Do u think though that perhaps there may be a case for "standardising"
the folders to make life a little simpler for all concerned particularly as
the amount of plugins starts to increase to levels unheard of.

Of cause I understand your point that every person can set up the folders
to suit themselves but I'm thinking also of the "online "buyers who will
be faced with all these plugins and not really understand what u have
so eloquently explained..........This is only a small point I know but your product is outstanding and if it can be "adjusted"to suit "morons like me"
who quite happily uninstall plugins without realising it.

Nobody else seems to be concerned about this point so it obviously it
is'nt high on anyones agenda.

I must stress this is NOT a complaint of any kind and is just one of my
"thoughts for the day"

"Is it pieces of eight or eight pieces of cake" lol lol lol
Posted: Sun, 25th Aug 2002, 8:20pm

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davlin

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After reading malone's post again something he'd diplomatically written
suddenly exploded into my grey-matter.... "bulk unzipping "....I know I'm leaving myself open to a public flogging and pilloring......but I've NEVER
used that simple method of unzipping my long list of plugin zips in one
operation........instead I've been unzipping files singularly......"what a
bloody plonker".
Well there u have it ........I've admitted my stupidity. redface redface redface

Getting back to my original thought do u think it would be a little simpler
if on the first plugin page..."latest additions etc." u could also include
the catergory info to save investigating each individual plugin....I'm sure
a lot of us would still prefer to catergorise our plugins.

Thanks to the "Mighty Cake Eater" for being diplomatic... lol lol lol
Posted: Mon, 26th Aug 2002, 8:10am

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malone

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Hmm, the whole plugin install system could do with an overhaul really. Even the process of locating the AlamDV install directory is tricky for some users, not to mention unzipping everything correctly to the right place.

I was kinda hoping one of these plugin install programs (that kid and av11d were working on) would take off. But I havent heard of much development on them recently. Im sure they could incorporate adding things to the right category in them.

Another idea would be to make the plugins into proper installers themselves, instead of just zips. Im pretty sure I can use the same software as the AlamDV installer to make plugin installers, but Id really need a way to automate this so I didnt have to do everyone by hand. I could then add default categories to unzip too but people would still have the choice of overiding it. The other problem with installers is that they are Windows only.


As for the "recent plugins" list you have to click the link before you download it, and it says the category at the top of that page.
Posted: Mon, 26th Aug 2002, 11:34am

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davlin

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Quote " As for the "recent plugins" list you have to click the link before you download it, and it says the category at the top of that page."

Yup thats nice and slick if your just looking for the recent 10 plugins but
the page I'm refering to ,and I think more commonly used ,is the main
general plugin page which lists all the available in date order.If there
was a ref.to catergory there it would save a click on the info link to check.
Only small point I know but it would save a bit of time.

Cheers