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Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Trailer

Posted: Mon, 7th Dec 2009, 4:16pm

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We're eleven months from the first Deathly Hallows film, and we've already got a teaser. Kudos to WB for actually sticking something like this on the Half-Blood Prince Blu-ray.

http://vimeo.com/8684352

I know it's just a quick teaser, but it's looking very impressive. John Hurt's narration is really chilling. "If it's true, you really don't stand a chance." Part I is really going to feel different, since it's a "road movie" as opposed to being set at Hogwarts. I'm expecting a dark, singular narrative where the three main actors will completely carry the film.

Definitely my most anticipated films of 2010 and 2011.

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Posted: Mon, 7th Dec 2009, 7:36pm

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Saw this a few weeks ago. I think it will be fun to see the end, but I'm still 50/50 on this. As a book purist it's been very hard for any Potter film to come close to my high regard of the point by point adaptations of Chris Columbus which are some of my favorite childhood memories.

This is worrying:
Yates said that the film will be shot "with loads of hand-held cameras. I want to shake things up every time I go into this world. I like experimenting as we go along."
As long as you know you are working with beloved material, Yates! This isn't directors playground 101. I have the script you must follow in my bookshelf. (And as I have expressed before I like the Cameron/Lucas school of direction where you make the entire movie to perfection, at least visually perfect, before you shoot the first shot. Not "experimenting as you go along".) Also in a perfect world the Harry Potter movies would have a standard visual and editing style for all 7 ( 8 ) films, but alas that dream was long crushed. Why couldn't Columbus have given up a decade to get the whole thing done? It's not like he had anything better to do.

This could make up for it:
Harry Potter producer David Heyman has stated that [John] Williams might return as composer for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows depending on Williams's schedule. Part one of the movie is in the meantime in post-production. The dates for the scoring sessions are unknown.
I'll leave it at that. I'm sure no-one needs another fanboy rantletter around here.
Posted: Mon, 7th Dec 2009, 10:21pm

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I think the hand-held cameras fit the mood of the film perfectly. Perfect for a dark, gritty, up-close and personal movie. And I'm pretty confident the script will deliver. The reason they split the book into two films is because they wanted to be sure they didn't have to leave anything out. Look at it this way. We could have had one three hour movie where stuff would inevitably get left out. What we're getting will be more like two two-and-a-half hour films, for a total of five hours for Deathly Hallows. They should be able to get everything in that way. And unlike the other books, there's really nothing they can cut. It's one linear story following the trio, and everything they do is vital to the story.
Posted: Mon, 7th Dec 2009, 11:47pm

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Yes, I am happy about all that. I was just being a fanboy jerk (sadly, as usual I guess). It looks like it could be really great. I just hope they kept my favorite parts of the book intact (spoilers ahed!):


- The intrigue in The Ministry when Harry ends up as Runcorn (Death Eater) and how the whole part will have The Trio be played by entirely different actors (no "the voice is still the same" nonsense like in Chamber of Secrets), Ron as Cattermole meeting his dad, and of course the whole muggle born break with Harry/Runcorn using his intimidation skills.

- Potterwatch in all its glory.

- Malfoy Manor in all its horror (people speculated that the death of [insert name] at the end of this part will be the end of Part 1 in theaters).

- The Prince's Tale (which has already been diminished by the stupid representation of "Snape's Worst Memory" in the Order of the Phoenix movie)

- All the different aspects of The Battle of Hogwarts (especially including McGonagall's animated desks/suits of armor), which means I want Kreacher with a butchers knife!

- King's Cross

- "NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU BI*CH!" (and I'm talking full on Ellen Ripley style badassery, not comedic "Oh look the nice mum said bi*ch" style.

- Harry using Crucio on Amycus for spitting on McGonagall: "You shouldn't have done that."


I could go on, but I wont. What you should gather from this is that I am a hopeless fanboy who would be happy with nothing less than a Zack Snyder/Watchmen adaptation of Harry Potter, so I've learned to turn that off and just go with the films. At least talented people are involved in making them. All in all I am psyched for this. Don't worry.
Posted: Tue, 8th Dec 2009, 1:46am

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Fixed the link. smile

http://vimeo.com/8684352

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Posted: Tue, 8th Dec 2009, 2:32am

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I seriously hope you're joking, Staff Only, because I think the shifts in directors and production design and tone of the films has always been appropriate, done with great finesse, and really fitting to the increasingly more mature and ages of the characters the material takes.

I loved Chris Columbus' world, but it wouldn't be fitting in any of the movies he didn't direct- and I think the transition from look to look and film to film has been rather nice: each movie has its own distinct look and feel, so they don't bleed into eachother as a series of same-ness- but there's a common theme and tone and quality they all adhere to which keeps them together.

I'll admit when I first saw Prison of Azkaban I was a bit jarred at the differences, but they quickly grew on me and really expanded the universe in an appropriate way. Same with Goblet of Fire, Phoenix, and the last film.

A Fantastic series. I would've said 9 months ago I didn't care anymore, but after the last film my interest was renewed- and there's something to be said for seeing a project like this through and putting the appropriate time and consideration and talent into it.

The fact that I see such shittily produced, poor films from the Twilight camp come out at such breakneck speeds (they've already filmed 3 of the 4 movies each with different directors in a year and a half!) makes me appreciate that they've sacrificed the series' hype and momentum in order to make them solid near-masterpieces.
Posted: Tue, 8th Dec 2009, 2:58am

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Half-Blood Prince was absolute genius, loved every minute of it. The only one that I think could have been much better was Goblet of Fire. The book had so much bulk to it, and the film just felt like a synopsis. It was a little too brisk in it's pace, and just didn't quite work for me. Needed a little more breathing room to pad the action a bit. Order of the Phoenix was excellent and HBP really made me excited to see the conclusion of the series. I would be extremely impressed if they top HBP with Deathly Hallows, but I'm sure that's what they're intending to do.

I stopped reading Deathly Hallows about halfway through, decided that I want to see one of the films as a film, instead of a book adaptation. So I'll probably still hold off on finishing the book until after the movie is out. This way I don't have to complain about the changes, and can just appreciate it as a film. smile

That said, I'm very glad they finally decided to make a two-parter out of one of the books. Should be a pretty amazing conclusion to a pretty amazing series of films.
Posted: Tue, 8th Dec 2009, 6:43am

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Atom wrote:

The fact that I see such shittily produced, poor films from the Twilight camp come out at such breakneck speeds (they've already filmed 3 of the 4 movies each with different directors in a year and a half!) makes me appreciate that they've sacrificed the series' hype and momentum in order to make them solid near-masterpieces.
That's true, and I am grateful for that. It's just the fanboy in me that always wanted HP to be LotR in production (one director, one big sacrifice after the last book was published, and with the whole script for all films written and greenlit before the first film went into production), and Watchmen in loyalty. Not saying that the films aren't pretty darn great (except Goblet of Fire, I seriously didn't like that one).

Also: What?!

All I will say to this is: not what happened in the book!

“It’s where Hermione and Harry dance together and is not in the book. It’s something we create for the film and is actually very tender,” he said.

“They also reveal some secrets about each other while dancing.”
WHAT?! Alright I'm leaving.
Posted: Tue, 8th Dec 2009, 9:38pm

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Staff Only wrote:



Also: What?!

All I will say to this is: not what happened in the book!

“It’s where Hermione and Harry dance together and is not in the book. It’s something we create for the film and is actually very tender,” he said.

“They also reveal some secrets about each other while dancing.”
WHAT?! Alright I'm leaving.
That actually all sounds really cool, to be honest. The Harry/Hermione relationship was always one that I really loved from the books. They came to be even closer in some ways than either of them ended up being with Ron. She knows things about Harry that Ron never really gets to. The scene where Harry sees his parents graves, in particular, is one of my favorite Harry/Hermione moments.

I can relate very well to that sort of thing, speaking as a guy who has one or two very close, girl friends that I would consider to be almost sisters, it'll be great to see that aspect of Harry/Hermione's relationship played up. It'll really be indicative of their growth and maturity. Ron is truly the last remaining adolescent mind of the three in this last part of the story - but he FINALLY outgrows it with his return to Harry/Hermione in the middle of the book. Seeing his mind and his fears of a real Harry/Hermione relationship played out on screen will really cement this arch when he realizes that it's not real.

That tenderness that Yates is excited about in the scene they added encourages me - as that was one of the big missing pieces in the book that I felt was never completely fleshed out.

Regardless, I've finally embraced the splitting of the final movie - but I'm still a bit irked with the final movie coming out in July 2011. HP started as a winter franchise - with the first two opening in November, and I would have loved to see the final film in that time of year. There's just something about it that won't be the same, I think.
Posted: Tue, 8th Dec 2009, 9:45pm

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Hm, the Harry Potter films completely lost me along the lines of the 3rd one. Never really enjoyed them very much, nor read to books so I stopped to watch them. Maybe I'll wait until all of them are done, then get them on DVD and do a complete-harry-potter-marathon with my projector. Might be fun. smile
Posted: Tue, 8th Dec 2009, 10:37pm

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Well, you stopped watching them once they got good, so... yeah, might be worth it. wink
Posted: Wed, 9th Dec 2009, 12:23am

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Definitely NOT Aculag wrote:

Well, you stopped watching them once they got good, so... yeah, might be worth it. wink
That's a good point. The first two were obviously good movies, extremely faithful to the books. But I probably would have been a little bored with them had I not read the books. Ultimately, they're too long and are probably too detailed. Things start to get more interesting once the characters get older, and the actual plot of the series gets set in motion (starting at the end of the third film). You really need to see it as a whole series, rather than just a few standalone films. The plot and character arcs occur over the span of the series, as opposed to just one or two films.
Posted: Wed, 9th Dec 2009, 1:57am

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Jesus, Staff Only, chill out. Your fanaticism with these fantasy and sci-fi series........to such an unflinching degree........it's embarassing to listen to. Really, I'm saying this seriously.
Posted: Wed, 9th Dec 2009, 2:02am

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[quote="Sollthar"]Hm, the Harry Potter films completely lost me along the lines of the 3rd one. Never really enjoyed them very much, nor read to books so I stopped to watch them. /quote]

Do you have a purpose behind these posts, or do you just like murdering joy? wink
I kid, of course.
Posted: Wed, 9th Dec 2009, 2:18am

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Not murdering joy, just missing out on one of the (really surprisingly) most well-produced book adaptations and franchises in recent history.
Posted: Wed, 9th Dec 2009, 2:21am

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Atom wrote:

Not murdering joy, just missing out on one of the (really surprisingly) most well-produced book adaptations and franchises in recent history.
That says it all right there. smile Six, and soon to be eight films (barring a major collapse) of such high quality is such an amazing achievement. What other franchise tops that?
Posted: Wed, 9th Dec 2009, 2:28am

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Well I'd say there are other franchises that, many would argue, have better films in them- like the initial Star Wars trilogy or, although I dislike it, Lord of the Rings.

But the thing that separates Harry Potter from this; the thing that makes the Harry Potter series so special- is that it was and has never been cheapened or rushed like other adaptations and series have; and with the sheer scale of 8 films to make- and starting the series with only four of the seven books completed- I think it's an astoundingly amazing feat to see how well they resound together and what high quality they all are. Most franchises lose momentum and quality after a second or third film- it would seem Harry Potter films just gain the two as they go on.

Like I said, I probably wouldn't have appreciated this fact before the sixth film was released, but it renewed my interest and made me go back and look at how high-caliber each film is. I mean: huge budgets, talented directors, increasingly all-star casts, fantastic locations, and decent/cohesive/interesting source material.

That's a win in my book.
Posted: Wed, 9th Dec 2009, 3:01am

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Looking forward to this movie. After the sucess of the last one, this one should be really good. Go out with a bang right?

Thought this was worth mentioning: For those of you who picked up the Blu-ray copy of the Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince today, this is kinda cool. Using the Blu-ray Live or a computer you can join the showing of the movie and then have questions answered by the Director and Daniel Radcliff. More info on the event here. December 12 at 3PM EST.
Posted: Wed, 9th Dec 2009, 3:22am

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Hopefully the implementation and the actual commentary is better than this:

http://gizmodo.com/5419862/terminator-salvation-bd+live-directors-commentary-liveblog?skyline=true&s=i
Posted: Wed, 9th Dec 2009, 8:10pm

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Did I mention I'm extremely excited for this? Like Aculag, I stopped reading Deathly Hollows until after the film is released just to enjoy the film itself. HBP was amazing, as I'm sure I've mentioned before. Best book adaption since Lord of the Rings. I'm gonna have to resist squealing when I'm sitting in the theaters at the midnight showing wink
Posted: Mon, 7th Jun 2010, 1:56pm

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The Boy Who Lived... come to die.

They've released another "exclusive" teaser, this time at the MTV Movie Awards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbTx1R1QDTw&feature=player_embedded

I have to say, this is looking more amazing by the minute. Between this, and the last teaser, it looks like they've captured the tone of the last book perfectly. With no Hogwarts, and no adult actors for much of Part I, the trio is really going to get their chance to shine.
Posted: Mon, 7th Jun 2010, 2:27pm

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Hm, didn't really work for me, but then I haven't read the books. All felt a bit bitty.

Looking forward to a proper trailer.
Posted: Mon, 7th Jun 2010, 2:34pm

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Yeah, I can imagine this "sneak peak" structure would be kind of weird, especially if you haven't read the book. What makes this so interesting to me, is that I'm literally seeing the book, verbatim on-screen. It's exciting, how accurate it all appears to be.

As for the proper trailer, my bet is Inception.

EDIT: If anyone was watching this live, did they say if this was for both movies, or just Part I? Because a couple of shots in there, including the dragon, should definitely belong in Part II. At least I hope, for the story's sake.
Posted: Mon, 7th Jun 2010, 3:37pm

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Well the trailer says part 1 on the Youtube link (it does now anyways).

This looks awesome! I agree, very well translated from the looks of things. Acting, as always, another step up. I'm sure this will be fun. As I say in every Harry Potter film topic, I love the films for what they are, even though they had a bit more potential. But they are always better than I expect out of a "hollywood" film.
Posted: Mon, 7th Jun 2010, 4:17pm

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It has to be for both movies... if they end the first movie after the Gringotts/Dragon sequence, or even after Shell Cottage, that would make for a too-short Part II, wouldn't it?
Posted: Mon, 7th Jun 2010, 5:23pm

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jawajohnny wrote:

It has to be for both movies... if they end the first movie after the Gringotts/Dragon sequence, or even after Shell Cottage, that would make for a too-short Part II, wouldn't it?
This has clips from both parts. The shield over Hogwarts. "Harry Potter, come to die.", "No sign of him my Lord." are definitely from The Forbidden Forrest scenes in the Battle of Hogwarts.

Still unsure about this. I'll post comments once I can see this in 1080p frame-by-frame.
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Didn't really work for me either. BTW maybe I need to rent HPB since most of you guys seem to really like it. I was really into HP until the 4th movie. I didn't like that one that much but I still rented the 5th movie. I didn't even finish the 5th movie since it is the most boring thing I've ever seen to date... literally. So I kinda gave up on Potter since then, but eventually I'll have to catch up and see how it ends.
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Not a very good trailer, but that dragon looked pretty nifty. Never got that far in the book.
Posted: Tue, 8th Jun 2010, 1:21am

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Aculag wrote:

Not a very good trailer, but that dragon looked pretty nifty. Never got that far in the book.
Just curious... how far did you get? It would be interesting if you didn't read any of Part II, and you actually get to see it from a pure, unspoiled "film" perspective.
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Last thing I remember, there was a lot of camping, and a graveyard. Not very far.
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First off, and I mean this in the most serious and non-purposefully-funny way:

Staff Only wrote:

I'll post comments once I can see this in 1080p frame-by-frame.
Jesus, nerd. Come on- this kind of thing sickens me. People who pick and pick and dissect and scour over materials until they're nothing but minutia- it ruins the point of it all, now, doesn't it? I dunno, as someone who edits trailers and reels for people I'm sympathetic to the impact and intention of cuts and timing I suppose, and this sort of 'I have to have the HIGHEST QUALITY and see it milisecond-for-milisecond' snobbiness just makes me roll my eyes.

I always hated doing that, because it absolutely spoiled the movies for me. Maybe not the stories, maybe for many movies I can already guess that- but for the sheer effect of how that story plays out. When you pull and pick things apart, when you need this or that and bring everything down to a science of resolution or frames and not cinematic effect- I dunno........I just..........I don't see the point. And it frustrates me that people do this.

But again, that might just be me. And my severity/harshness might just be the by-product of being a trailer editor myself. Enough of that, though. Onto my real thoughts!..

------------Longstoryshort-----------------

I really loved this new trailer.

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It damn near perfectly captured that 'quick procession of teasing, mysterious shots' tone that the very first teaser trailer for the very first Harry Potter film did with the opening line "There's no such thing as magic!". I love love love the shots of Hermione and Ron on those pebbles looking at Harry in desperation, then the cut to Harry on pebbles looking pathetic and drained. It just aches with grandeur and cinematic feeling to me.

And for the record, I never read the last book. The movies got so increasingly better, and I felt increasingly too old to read the series, that I decided I wanted to see the final installment playout on the screen instead. I'm really happy I did- as without knowing anything about it this trailer still hooks me in entirely. The editing is so-so near the end, I suppose, but it's otherwise incredibly well-cut and absolutely captivating/teasing.

In fact, this sort of served to rejuvenate that mystique Harry Potter initially had in being translated from book to film and to me kind of said 'whoa, look how far we've come guys' in the trailer. And really, whoa, look how far we've come. Nearly ten years later and I still seem to care about these characters, about their story: And more than anything that's a huge testament to how well this franchise has been handled.

However, more than that- the trailer's juxtaposition with the 'we-made-3-movies-in-18-months' Twilight trailer for the film Eclipse showed us (even though Eclispe is a horrible example because it is an incredibly shitty bit of material from the get-go) how much effort is put into the HP films that simply makes them stand so far apart.

Amidst a world of faster and faster pushed out trash, megafranchises created in months instead of years (again, Twilight), and just generally some preposterous movies- every time I see a trailer for a new Harry Potter film I'm reminded of how much care, appropriate, precise time, and production value goes into these films. It's genuine, quality filmmaking at it's very best, Harry Potter is. And I'm proud to always see it- see that they respect their fans. They honor putting time into something to do it right. They take risks and forge creative distinctions between directors of films. And, really, they're just overall great moviegoing experiences.

To me, although I'm not one for heavy sci-fi or fantasy, Harry Potter is one of the last franchises that simply stood back and knew how it wanted to present itself- and never cheaped out. Never cut corners. Never rushed movies or productions for fear of losing consumer interest or momentum (again, Twilight). It aches and pains me to my very core that any other fantasy series (especially Twilight even begins to consider itself an HP contender, because HP is just such a pleasant exception to the rule; it's insane.

The production design, the world, and most of the effects- almost consistently unmatched. And then there's the acting. I mean, even if you don't like the increasingly-more-impressive three leads; there's a plethora of the best actors in the world working (or having worked on) the HP films. It's insane, the talent that's blown through the series.

I'm happy to have grown with the character (11 when he was 11 in the first movie, and so on) and I'm happy to say I've never been disappointed. This movie looks incredibly well-made and well-orchestrated; and once again- my faith in Harry Potter is rewarded with what I'm shown.

Count me in.

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Of course, if they had rushed the Potter films out at the same rate as the Twilight films, the kids would have been about 13 in the final film, so that wasn't really possible. razz

A lot of these trailers felt a bit home movie to me - mainly the running through the forest stuff, which was very aimless and literally looked like a bunch of actors running through an ordinary forest with a handheld camera. I'm sure it'll look great in context and in the finished film, but a lot of these teasers felt kinda cheap to me.
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Atom wrote:

Come on- this kind of thing sickens me.
*Writes an eight paragraph post comparing Harry Potter to Twilight*
Posted: Tue, 8th Jun 2010, 10:26am

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Atom 'ban this sick filth' Adams wrote:

Come on- this kind of thing sickens me. People who pick and pick and dissect and scour over materials until they're nothing but minutia- it ruins the point of it all, now, doesn't it? I dunno, as someone who edits trailers and reels for people I'm sympathetic to the impact and intention of cuts and timing I suppose, and this sort of 'I have to have the HIGHEST QUALITY and see it milisecond-for-milisecond' snobbiness just makes me roll my eyes.
Interesting! What you see as snobbiness, I would tend to see as enthusiasm and excitement.

If I made a trailer for a project of mine and people felt so engaged that they wanted to examine it shot-by-shot, I'd be an extremely happy trailer editor indeed.
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I suppose it's that I see that as treating film and how something is edited as a science- looking at it bit-by-bit with scrutiny. While I believe filmmaking and, to a more-focused extent in this thread, trailer editing, to be an art that comes about through the sum of the work's parts. Not the parts themselves. Because much/most of what I do both as a profession and passion in filmmaking is edit, I hold certain things in a very finely-tuned regard; so I apologize if I'm a bit temperamental. Trailer editing and picking-apart is one of those 'things' that just gets me, ya know? It's not as much Staff Only (well, no....it's Staff Only, too biggrin)) as it is the attitude and mindset, that something can't be enjoyed or fully taken in until you've paused it a thousand times over and seen it all in 1080. Now, I'm all for quality, just..........I dunno.

Imagine if you were seeing the trailer in a theater is how I like to think of it. It'd pass once, real time, and that'd be your impression. For better or worse. That's how I like to look at trailers, at least.

I'm all for enthusiasm, just........bleh, I dunno. I'm obviously not going to win any arguments in this realm. rolleyes
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To be honest Atom has a very valid point. It does ruin the point of the trailer and does spoil the film in some ways. But I think that this way of enjoying trailers that I have is MILES more forgivable than the morons who skip to the last page of a book "for some reason". Seriously I could pull an atomic rant on that (but I wont).

The Dark Knight and Star Trek are excellent examples of films that I cheapened for myself by seeing the trailer way to many times and way to many times frame-by-frame. I actually decided not to do this with Inception because I don't know the story and structure of that film (and don't want to know, The Prestige was awesome because I went in fresh). With Star Trek I didn't only know instantly that SPOILER Geroge Kirk was going to die, I knew exactly how because they show it in the trailer for two frames. I literally manage to see in the Inception trailer how many action scenes there are going to be and which shots belong in which sequences based on the color palette of the different shots. That's when I knew it was time to stop.

With Potter it's another story. I'm being "trailer snobbish" because I'm planning on being source material snobbish. I was (am) going to compare all the locations and situations we glimpse in the teaser and compare them (scientifically and objectively) to the descriptions in the book and then I'm going to flip out when they don't match. Trust me, I find this fun now. I do not disrespect the work these people do and I think they deserve all the credit they get (as you say Atom, thank God they don't take the bulls*it road that is Twilight). This is more like how we all "hate" Ewoks, but still like Return of the Jedi.

But The Goblet of Fire was atrocious and I don't apologize for that. They read the book and chose to think that it focused on all the wrong things. That book was good because Harry got abandoned by everyone (except Hermione) when his name came out of the goblet and had to deal with facing tests designed for 17-year olds when he was 14, alone, in front of the entire school and his crush. Also more importantly was the ingenious Agatha Christie style twist. You have no way of seeing the explanation coming, and it literally takes an entire chapter to explain in the book. All the creepy events leading up to the twist (The Madness of Mr. Crouch, Bertha Jorkins disappearing), coupled with the mistrust of the ever present foreigners is what the book is about. But that stuff does not good teen movies make. Of course the film had to spend it's entire runtime on teen-crushes, dancing, asking people out, Ron/Hermione dynamic, the freaking Yule Ball, and a bastardization of the tasks in the tournament that actually amounts to making the first task the most dangerous.

The Goblet of Fire film pisses me off.

Atom wrote:

First off, and I mean this in the most serious and non-purposefully-funny way:

Staff Only wrote:

I'll post comments once I can see this in 1080p frame-by-frame.
Jesus, nerd. Come on- this kind of thing sickens me.
Also, you're use of the word "nerd" is both funny and interesting, especially considering the amount of posts you have on this particular forum. razz

It reminded me of the parodied use of the word in films like Revenge of the Nerds and Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs. "He wants to be smart, but that's lame."
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Atom... you just wrote a 3 paragraph response to someone who clearly loves something very dearly, in which you liken their actions to being snobbish before you proceed to rant about the "cinematic effect" of trailers, and being a trailer editor yourself...

I mean, do I even need to say anything at this point? smile
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I've always found the Harry Potter films to be pretty good, but never amazing or groundbreaking for me. The only thing I found special about them was how accurately it depicted some of the usual teenage conflicts, even in a magical, surreal setting. I also liked seeing something about kids growing up and the interesting little adventures (even if they didn't have much to do with the story). But I was never overwhelmed or utterly amazed by any aspect of them, and some aspets of the movies just fell flat for me, especially the action scenes. In general, they were pretty good, but not matching up to the Chronicles of Narnia: a series with certain similarities. And I didn't like Sorcerer's Stone or Chamber of Secrets much at all.
So far, my favorite might be Goblet of Fire: I know Staff Only is all P.O.'d cause it butchered the book's plotline, but I didn't read the book. And I got to see Robert Pattinson die. However, it raised a question wih me that bothers me a lot: why is the Avada Kedavra curse forbidden, which it's not forbidden to set people on fire or use the Sectumsempra curse: both of which cause grievous and painful damage and are potentially lethal? At least Avada Kedavra is a quick death.
However, I like the trailer for Deathly Hallows. Ron looks like a more serious character all around: I hope to see him doing some cool stuff. I also hope for some good action senes and better character development, especially for Harry and Snape.
And the DRAGON! I expect some serious pwnage.
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Sectemsempra isn't a "known" spell... Snape created it himself and jotted it down in his book. As for the three "Unforgivable Curses", you obviously can't use a killing curse (Avada Kedavra), you can't torture someone (Crucio), and you can't control someone's mind (Imperio). Those are the "darkest" curses out there... the ones you can't use under any circumstances. If the ministry knew about sectemsempra, I'm sure it would be forbidden.

As for Goblet of Fire, it didn't necessarily butcher the book's plot... I feel they did a decent (but not as good as the other movies) job at eliminating unessential subplots and characters. The problem for me was mainly the disjointed editing... it was more like a collection of individual scenes than a cohesive film. Then there were a few scenes that were just painfully awkward and/or out of character. The rival schools' "choreographed" entrances to Hogwarts? The dragon scene? Dumbledore throwing Harry against a wall and yelling at him? I blame Mike Newell.

So anyways, all the movies are fantastic, with the exception of Goblet. Sorcerer's Stone and Chamber of Secrets are perfect carbon copies of the books, Prisoner of Azkaban is brilliantly directed, and Order of the Phoenix and Half-Blood Prince have extreme emotional resonance. But I'll always have one tiny nitpick for each one. Like with Prisoner of Azkaban, regarding the Marauder's Map, why on earth did they not explain who Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs were? Because then the next movies are forced to use those names and pretend we know who they are!

But yeah, we won't have to worry about the plot of Deathly Hallows getting butchered. They have two movies to work with, and it looks and sounds like just about everything is in. Not to mention that for the first time it's a singular narrative, without any real "subplots". The only thing I'm concerned about is how some of the scenes based on previous books' subplots that didn't make it into the movies, will play out. Like... (spoilers) the Ron/Hermione kiss? In the book it spawned from Ron's comment about saving the house elves. The whole "Hermione wants to save the house elves" plot has (with good reason) been absent from the movies so far. But that comment is just the perfect reason for Hermione to kiss him. So I'll be interested to see how that plays out in the film. (/spoilers)
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jawajohnny wrote:

Sectemsempra isn't a "known" spell... Snape created it himself and jotted it down in his book. As for the three "Unforgivable Curses", you obviously can't use a killing curse (Avada Kedavra), you can't torture someone (Crucio), and you can't control someone's mind (Imperio). Those are the "darkest" curses out there... the ones you can't use under any circumstances. If the ministry knew about sectemsempra, I'm sure it would be forbidden.
I sort of suspcted that...but you're still allowed to set stuff on fire, as Snape displayed in Chamber of Secrets and Dumbledore displayed in HBP after they located the Horcrux. And that, if anything, is a brutal way to die.

jawajohnny wrote:

As for Goblet of Fire, it didn't necessarily butcher the book's plot... I feel they did a decent (but not as good as the other movies) job at eliminating unessential subplots and characters. The problem for me was mainly the disjointed editing... it was more like a collection of individual scenes than a cohesive film. Then there were a few scenes that were just painfully awkward and/or out of character. The rival schools' "choreographed" entrances to Hogwarts? The dragon scene? Dumbledore throwing Harry against a wall and yelling at him? I blame Mike Newell.
Again, I haven't read the book, so I'm just basing it off what Staff Only is saying. However, I can see what you're saying about the unessental plotlines and stuff. It was a much more simple and easy. But I also was a bit "lolwut?" at Dumbledore running around and yelling; that's just not like him. Again though; I probably liked Goblet best, or HBP. HBP for a number of reasons: Draco showed a little more character depth rather than bullying nonsense, Ron became more than a butt monkey and actually did some cool stuff, Radcliffe acted better than usual.
Are there any sword/fistfights in Deathly Hallows? That would be pretty sweet.
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It's the same concept as in America, you're allowed to own guns - and fire them! - but not to kill people.

Avada Kedavra is strictly a curse for killing, whereas creation of fire can be used for any other host of applications. The Secumtemsempra spell is homemade, it would likely be illegal if it were known widely.
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Terminal Velocity wrote:

I sort of suspcted that...but you're still allowed to set stuff on fire, as Snape displayed in Chamber of Secrets and Dumbledore displayed in HBP after they located the Horcrux. And that, if anything, is a brutal way to die.
Yeah, like Ben said, you can't just ban all fire. And... powerful wizards can create their own custom spells. Just look at Dumbledore v. Voldemort in Order of the Phoenix... they're not uttering any spells... they're creating their own custom magic that is sort of... beyond the scope of law.

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Are there any sword/fistfights in Deathly Hallows? That would be pretty sweet.
I don't think I'll be spoiling anything by answering this one. As far as I can remember (someone correct me if I'm wrong), there isn't a straight-up "fistfight", but there will be some punches thrown. And all I'll say about swords is that the Sword of Gryffindor will return for some action and have a vital role in the plot. smile The action scene I'm looking forward to most is the (spoilers) opening scene of Part I... the aerial battle with Harry and the Order on broomsticks pursued by Voldemort and Death Eaters. And then of course the epic, and I mean really, really epic Battle of Hogwarts at the end of Part II. (/spoilers)

EDIT: Has there been any word about John Williams returning for Part II? I know Alexandre Desplat is doing Part I, but he isn't confirmed for Part II. I'm still holding out for Williams, so we can have something like this or this play over the final scene. There is no topping the Williams ending theme.
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I've always thought the first two films were pretty weak, with some surprisingly flimsy production values. They did some great world building, but it's all a bit laboured.

It was only with Azkhaban that the series became a genuinely good film series, regardless of whether you're a Potter fan or not.

I also really enjoyed Goblet of Fire, although I haven't read the book, so didn't have that comparison to draw.
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Goblet of Fire was good, but if you've read the book, it's comparable to making The Fellowship of the Rings with only the Mordor sequence.
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Tarn wrote:

It was only with Azkhaban that the series became a genuinely good film series, regardless of whether you're a Potter fan or not.
Yah, what Tarn said. One of the reasons for this, I think, was that until Azkhaban there was very little freedom in the series. It seemed so concerned with sticking to the book that it wasn't much fun to watch cause I hadn't read the books. The books weren't translated to film; they were transcribed, with none of the changes that are usually necessary to improve a film adaption. I liked some of the changes LOTR made--for instance, adding Lurtz as a character made Boromir's death much more cohesive and dramatic. But the first two just felt too strict and textbook.
When I watched Azkhaban, I felt a more goofy and humorous mood immediately, with the shrunken head: something that was never in the previous movies. I still laugh at "Little old lady at 12 o' clock!" After that, the series improved immensely for me. If it continues getting better at this rate, Deathly Hallows part II will be pretty amazing.
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Here it is... the first full trailer for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Parts I and II:

http://harrypotter.warnerbros.com/harrypotterandthedeathlyhallows/

Can you say... EPIC? People can nitpick the minor inconsistencies between book and movie, and lament the omitted scenes, characters, and subplots, but this looks absolutely amazing. Forget Inception... this is my most anticipated movie of the year.
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HO-LY SH*T. EPIC EPIC EPIC.

And refreshingly different-looking. Can't quite put my finger on it, but the movie has a unique look to it all that isn't quite the same as the last two.
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I was really hoping they'd go for the "motion picture event that defined a generation" advertising approach.

After this long, they've earned it, and gives this such an amazingly epic feel that... wow.
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Wooooooah.
This looks amazing: like the perfect epic, exciting cap to this series. Everything I was hoping for: fire, explosions, monsters, Snape appears like his character's going to be explored more, and Ron looks awesome. Hopefully Radcliffe's acting will liven up slightly, and the movie will focus less on Hermione.
Only one major gripe I have, which I've had since watching Goblet of Fire: Voldemort. I haven't read the books, so I don't know who designed him like this, but...yeah. I think every other character is almost perfect, but he is disappointing. First, he looks anorexic. Now that would be okay, but then his voice, often more important than looks for villains, is more like an English professor with a cough. It really kind of made me laugh. Also, the voice totally lacked any snap or venom, any evil. Am I really supposed to believe that this is the most powerful and evil wizard in existence? Lucius Malfoy would have fit that spot well; he is efficient and ruthless. Voldemort seems much more...Shakespearean, I suppose. Delivering monologues and melodramatic threats that ultimately screw around with his own objectives.
I dunno, maybe it's just me, but that's my view on the matter. Maybe he'll be better in the last movie. Either way, it's an amazing trailer that blew me away with its sweeping, epic view.
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You the that Voldermort- a guy with a snake slit-nose and fang teeth, played by Ralph Fiennes of all people, is 'not evil enough'?

Also- of course he's got an English accent. He's in England. He's English. So.....yeah. He's not some monster, he's a really smart and powerful villain. He doesn't need anything besides a crackly bass in his voice- that Fiennes pulls off perfectly- to be acceptably creepy and iconic in the way Voldemort should be.

But maybe that's just me. unsure

Also, I really like the 'motion picture event of a generation' angle too. LOTR was big, but was completed by early 2003 and so sort of lost prevalence after that. But HP- it's been in the public sphere through-and-through the entire decade. 2001-2011. Just seems fitting that it dominates it as the 'premiere movie event'. And it totally is.

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Terminal Velocity wrote:

Delivering monologues and melodramatic threats that ultimately screw around with his own objectives.
That, is essentially his weakness. He could have killed Harry so many times throughout the series had it not been for his overconfidence, or usually, his oversight.

But yes, Voldemort is exactly how he should be. His design in the film is almost an exact representation of what is on the page... except for the red eyes, which wouldn't really work in a movie.

Terminal Velocity wrote:

Snape appears like his character's going to be explored more
Now if there is just one thing I'm worried about them screwing up, it will be the Snape stuff. It seems like the pensieve/memory scenes always get shortened and/or omitted, so here's hoping they include every single bit of Snape. Because it's awesome.

EDIT: Yeah, I love the "motion picture of the generation" angle too. I literally have grown up reading the books and watching the movies over the past ten years. I have a huge emotional investment in the series, and it's really rewarding to see it depicted on-screen in such a (surprisingly) accurate and epic fashion.
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Atom wrote:

You the that Voldermort- a guy with a snake slit-nose and fang teeth, played by Ralph Fiennes of all people, is 'not evil enough'?
Sure, he looks evil enough, if slightly scrawny. But just the way he acted and conducted himself: aside from a few bursts of brilliance, was kind of dull. Not bad exactly, but dull. I'm just not getting the "great wizard" part: seems to me more like a guy who thinks he's a great wizard.

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Also- of course he's got an English accent. He's in England. He's English. So.....yeah. He's not some monster, he's a really smart and powerful villain. He doesn't need anything besides a crackly bass in his voice- that Fiennes pulls off perfectly- to be acceptably creepy and iconic in the way Voldemort should be.
I forgot to mention in my previous post: I loved Voldemort's voice in the first movie. It was a lot huskier, raspier, giving the impression of something much more ghastly and creepy. That was good. But then he changed it in Goblet to a more human, smooth tone which lost a huge level of its former creepiness.

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except for the red eyes,
I think red eyes would have been perfect, as long as they weren't too bright. At least some crimson pupils.
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I think making it in two parts might have been a stroke of genius, as it seems like this one will FINALLY live up to the book. That would be amazing, but even if it doesn't, it looks ridiculously epic.
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Terminal Velocity wrote:

But then he changed it in Goblet to a more human, smooth tone which lost a huge level of its former creepiness.
Well... because he regained his human body... the voice has to be somewhat normal. Plus, they cast Ralph Fiennes to actually play the role... it wasn't his voice in Sorcerer's Stone. I think that voice would have gotten old kinda quick.

Terminal Velocity wrote:

Sure, he looks evil enough, if slightly scrawny. But just the way he acted and conducted himself: aside from a few bursts of brilliance, was kind of dull. Not bad exactly, but dull. I'm just not getting the "great wizard" part: seems to me more like a guy who thinks he's a great wizard.
Well, you have a point there. You haven't seen him do anything truly evil besides kill Edward Cullen... I mean Cedric Diggory. In the books, you would always hear about these horrible deaths and such... but that hasn't really carried over to the movies... not to mention he doesn't even appear in either the book or movie version of Half-Blood Prince. Most of the time, he's in the background. Trust me, by the end of Part I (well, actually the beginning of Part I), he will be well-established as a scary evil person, and a badass villain.

And regarding his appearance... he's supposed to look like a sickly, pale snake. I think they did a great job of that, and I think it was good to get rid of the red eyes... they would have gotten in the way of Fiennes performance I think.

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I think making it in two parts might have been a stroke of genius, as it seems like this one will FINALLY live up to the book. That would be amazing, but even if it doesn't, it looks ridiculously epic.
Yeah... I really think they needed the two movies. Even if they made one three and a half hour movie, a lot of stuff would have been omitted. And unlike the previous films, there really isn't anything they could get away with leaving out. With two movies, it gives them about five hours to tell the 759 pages.

EDIT: Gotta love how they removed all the blood from Hermione's hands. I'm sure it's just for the "approved for all audiences" trailer, but it's hilarious to see everyone on the Potter forums freaking out about how they're afraid of a PG rating.
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Horribly EPIC!!! As Atom pointed out!!!!! He was exactly right in saying that there was something different from the last two. CRAZY AWESOME!!!!!!!!!! Of course, the trailers always get me. The 6th one got me till I was sick of watching it. I thought the movie was pretty good. I still loved it though.

This is coming from a MAJOR Harry Potter fan guys!!! Okay?

BTW,
Did you all notice in the 6th one that when they went back into the memories, they weren't in it like they were in the 4th one.

Just wanted to point that out.
smile

And yes, Jawjohnny, I did freak out like all the other Harry Potter fans about the 6th movie having a PG rating.

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Wow. Look at this poster:

http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/movie7/dhonesheet.jpg

Contrast it with the "boats" poster from the first movie, and it really shows you how things have changed. Great, great stuff.
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jawajohnny wrote:

Wow. Look at this poster:

http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/movie7/dhonesheet.jpg

Contrast it with the "boats" poster from the first movie, and it really shows you how things have changed. Great, great stuff.
Man! That is AWESOME jawajohnny!!! biggrin biggrin


Hmmm, Boats and Fire. I guess that would show how the movies have changed through out!

80th Post! Woot!
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Good poster, but the building on the left is a pretty botch job. Just not structurally believable, even if it is "magic."
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Okay, this could just have been my ignorance over the years of reading the books, but was anyone else aware that Harry Potter takes place in the early 90's?

I just now discovered this, and it's completely and utterly blowing my mind. The world no longer makes sense! biggrin
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Well yeah, I knew it took place in the past by the time book 7 came out (seeing as the books were year-to-year in story but not in release date), and I think they mention it being the early 90s at some point in the first or second book, unless I'm remembering that wrong.
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Yeah,the first three books were written in the 90s.

All this just started with someones idea. Using scrap paper from a local cafe.

Oh yeah, I see what you mean by pointing that out Serpent! There is no way that wouldn't just collapse! wink
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In book 1 Dudley throws a Playstation 1 out of his window. That will give you an idea as to when the series should start. Basically ending a little bit after the turn of the century, right? Anyways, yeah, I had heard that for a while and I've been using Summer 1994/1995 as my theoretical starting place for the books. Let me know if this is wrong or if there is something more official, I'm curious.
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Officially, Year 1 is 1992-1992, and Harry is born in 1981. razz

The 7th book is 1997-1998 and *SPOILER* 2017 *END SPOILER*.
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Really? Looks like I found some anachronism then.
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WHAT? He was supposed to be born in the 80s?


Well, I guess that would make sense.



Okay, now it isn't such a big deal to me.



Some things can change in a matter of minutes!
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Here's the comparison:

http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/movie7/hp17postercompare.jpg

It's a slightly different angle, but other than that, they're clearly parallel.
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I think the trailer was pretty good, but everyone in my family who are major HP (book) fans all reacted with an "okay..." as I did. I read a blog of a major book fan saying that Harry Potter "...was so 2007". Then explaining that after the last book came out it was over, there was nothing left to talk about, nothing left to wait for, and I think that's what I'm suffering from. Other than some few minor inconsistencies it looked very faithful and I should be thrilled, but I felt nothing. Weird. Certainly nothing compared to LotR as Atom said and nowhere near Inception (which I have a feeling will end up being one of my top 3 favorite films of all time, bumping out Serenity or Star Trek 2009) as jawajohnny said, for me.

I also couldn't agree more with what Terminal Velocity said about Voldemort. I would of course have liked the red eyes, but mostly I'm let down by the direction Voldemort gets (Newell certainly set the bar at bottom in Voldemort's scene in Goblet of Fire). If you read the books you see that Voldemort is supposed to be born broken. He is evil incarnate. He has no heart, he fears the dark and death, he hates people, he has no friends, and he enjoys torturing animals and people. He is very talented yes, but when he is present you are supposed to feel the psychopath. The best Voldemort performance I have seen in the films was by the young boy in The Half Blood Prince. The Voldemort in that scene in the books was better and more nuanced (due to some stuff that was cut, where Voldemort tries to "charm" Dumbledore as soon as he realizes that Dumbledore is the key to earning a wand), but at least the child really seemed f***ed up. Fiennes does not. Something about him is to human. Even the calm detachment of Crudup's performance as Dr. Manhattan would have been a better Voldemort. He should not seem like a normal man with a strange face.

Also a second stuntman has been injured on the Potter set. The first one was paralyzed. All I can say is "That won't do". Michael Bay has never had serious injury on any of his films. I know these things are accidents, but now that there are two (plus I think there was a fire), it really seems like their running a Twilight Zone Movie - John Landis operation over at Leavesden. Just sayin'.

Finally to clarify there is no mention of which year things take place in in the books (unless they say in SPOILER Voldemort's flashback to the night he killed James and Lily? I'm on holiday so I don't have a Potter book to check in at the moment), but as others have said JKR has told us that the first book takes place 1991-1992. Easy to remember for me as I was born in 1991. And for those interested we know which year Dumbledore was born now: 1881, which makes him about 116 years old when he died. So even though we were all led to believe he was so strong in The Force that he was ancient like Yoda he was no older than what a really healthy normal person can achieve.

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but at least the child really seemed f***ed up. Fiennes does not.
What are you talking about? The child was Fiennes.
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but at least the child really seemed f***ed up. Fiennes does not.
What are you talking about? The child was Fiennes.
Right you are. The actor is the nephew of Ralph Fiennes, right? Well I sure walked into that one. My point was that the direction Newell and Ralph Fiennes took Reborn Voldemort in Goblet of Fire that set the tone for the character in the rest of the films I don't really like. Voldemort's name may be very famous, but as a villain he is very unremarkable in the films, and we all know R. Fiennes has what it takes to truly be a great Voldemort. As someone said earlier: I blame Newell.
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I think the problem is that Voldemort isn't a very compelling villain in the books, either. This is mainly because he does not appear often enough at all. Yes, he appears in different forms in the first two films, but that wasn't the real human Voldemort. Then he does not appear in the third film, before finally being revealed at the end of the fourth film. I think that scene was pretty good, and Fiennes plays a great Voldemort. After that scene, he appears at the end of the fifth film, for a short (but badass) encounter with Dumbledore and Harry, before disappearing altogether from book (and movie) six. Well yes, he does sort of appear in book six, for some great character development, but he has no active role in the plot... no encounters with the main characters. This means that the moviegoing audience has not seen Voldemort since 2007. As the principle villain in the series, that just doesn't work. Of course this will change a very short while into the Deathly Hallows Part I, and he will have a continuing presence. Basically what I'm saying is that Voldemort wasn't a "great" villain in the books either. Don't get me wrong, it's a great series, but Voldemort has little to do with making it great.

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Also a second stuntman has been injured on the Potter set.
Both of these accidents occurred without the supervision of Yates, did they not? Sounds more like the incompetence of the stunt team, than the fault of any of the filmmakers. And yes, accidents occur on movie sets all the time. Weren't there several car accidents while filming chases for the new Bond movies? Didn't a stuntman break his hip performing a stunt in a Pirates sequel? And wasn't someone killed on the set of Nolan's The Dark Knight? And I heard Shia Labeouf came within an inch of poking his eye out on Transformers 2, not to mention the actors are scared to death of some of the stunts Bay makes them do. Injuries happen all the time, and are not something isolated to the Potter set.
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I agree about Voldemort, jawajohnny. He is hard to work with for film and we should be thankful that they didn't shoehorn him into some imaginary encounter at the end of every film. Still, remember how it was when The Emperor finally turned up in Return of the Jedi?

Moff Jerjerrod: The Emperor's coming here? (blatant fear in his voice)
Darth Vader: That is correct, Commander. And, he is most displeased with your apparent lack of progress.
Moff Jerjerrod: We shall double our efforts.
Darth Vader: I hope so, Commander, for your sake. The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am.

Remember that last sentence? After seeing in the whole of Empire Strikes Back what Vader calls "forgiving"? Then The Emperor shows up and is much smaller that Vader, old and wheezy, and still you can always tell who is in charge. Who is the cold-hearted lord of the dark side. Voldemort dosen't get any convincing hype in the movies like the sentences above. All the hype for him in the films falls flat because they cut the parts in the book where they really elaborate on what exactly it is he has done and what he wants (and most importantly what his methods are).

Does anyone who has only watched the films know exactly what it is Voldemort is trying to do? I'm just curious. And the answer is a little more complex than: "The same thing we do every night, Pinky: Try to take over the world!". If that seems like the correct answer though it only shows that Voldemort in the films is more like a parody of cartoon villains in the writing (not blaming Fiennes here).

Also about the stunt injuries. I think it was a special effects coordinator who died on The Dark Knight. It was a car accident that happened when moving things on set. Nothing to do with a take or a stunt. Both stunt people on Deathly Hallows were injured during stunts, and yes I agree that the stunt crew must take the blame.
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Something about Star Wars thrown in so that Staff Only could flex his niche-markert-pop-culture-indexed-knowledge-muscle and a thinly-veiled bias because Staff Only doesn't like Mike Newell and therefore doesn't like his Voldemort.
wink

Also about the stunt injuries. I think it was a special effects coordinator who died on The Dark Knight. It was a car accident that happened when moving things on set. Nothing to do with a take or a stunt. Both stunt people on Deathly Hallows were injured during stunts, and yes I agree that the stunt crew must take the blame.
It's preposterous to get so antsy about any of it, though. No one is to blame- what an awful thing to say. Accidents happen, even with the best of planning and precautions. It's all part of the risks of the game of life. There's no need for anyone to take the blame when these things happen; no matter how sad or unfortunate or drastic they are.

So there were a few accidents. Yeah, that sucks. Really unfortunate. But it's nothing to get grumpy or finger-pointy about. I'm sure every time something like this happens it's still a complete shock and that you'd find (most) things were in order the same way they would be on a proper stunt that goes as-planned. Accidents happen. It's an unfortunate truth of life.
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Does anyone who has only watched the films know exactly what it is Voldemort is trying to do?
See, I think this is one of those things they are saving for Deathly Hallows. They did not include the whole Voldemort and his Horcruxes plot in Half-Blood Prince, because it would have distracted mightily from everything else, including Dumbledore's death at the end of the film. Not to mention that the mainstream audience would have been bored by it. I'm thinking they'll include all the Horcrux information at the beginning of Deathly Hallows Part I. My guess would be that the Voldemort Horcrux info will be included along with the Deathly Hallows clues in Dumbledore's will. At least some of this stuff will be explained, judging from Voldemort's line in the trailer: "Only I can live forever" If he says that, I'd bet some of his backstory will be revealed at some point in Part I.
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jawajohnny wrote:

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Does anyone who has only watched the films know exactly what it is Voldemort is trying to do?
See, I think this is one of those things they are saving for Deathly Hallows.
Hopefully, but I was thinking more about his endgame, and not his quest for immortality. I know an immortal Voldemort would be bad from watching the films, but what would happen to the world if he succeeds? Did they ever talk about his quest for wizard supremacy? Hopefully they will include it together with the part where Dumbledore and Grindelwald had the same ideals. Somehow I'm not so sure they will have time for Dumbledore's back-story.

Atom wrote:

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Something about Star Wars thrown in so that Staff Only could flex his niche-markert-pop-culture-indexed-knowledge-muscle and a thinly-veiled bias because Staff Only doesn't like Mike Newell and therefore doesn't like his Voldemort.
wink
I gotta admit that was pretty funny even if I have to deny all truth to the statement. wink

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It's preposterous to get so antsy about any of it, though. No one is to blame- what an awful thing to say. Accidents happen, even with the best of planning and precautions.
Yes, I see what you mean, and you are right. If anyone was to blame there would be a court case. Seen as how there isn't we must assume that all safety precautions were followed and everyone's insurance was in order. So yes, no need for finger-pointing.
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Somehow I'm not so sure they will have time for Dumbledore's back-story.
I'm very hopeful, just because this prop does exist. And, they do have about five total hours to work with.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2010, 8:15pm

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Staff Only wrote:

Somehow I'm not so sure they will have time for Dumbledore's back-story.
I'm very hopeful, just because this prop does exist. And, they do have about five total hours to work with.
Well, they BETTER put that story in there! It, I believe, is important for the movie. It can show you what gossip can do. And they BETTER do Snape's story right. If not, I will be Angry! With all this talk about Voldemort (and yes I said his name,) being crazy bad Evil villain, or being big sissy villain, I think, to just clear this out, yes he DOES have a British accent because he WAS raised as a normal child. Well, now to think of it, not so normal, being a unknown wizard and (KNOWINGLY) using his powers for evil. So he wasn't just a shadow-snakemonster.

Personally, I think Yates should have made him more, well, just more! Even though it was going to be seen by children. I'm just saying, with the kids now days, they probably wouldn't even care.

Oh well. Hopefully he will be a little bit more EVIL in the 7th one, both parts.
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Alright... here's something we haven't talked about (at least I don't think...)

What do you guys think about Alexandre Desplat scoring Part I? I don't necessarily mind, but I'm just a little bit upset that John Williams did not come back after he himself said he wanted to. The interesting thing, however, is that Desplat is only confirmed for Part I. Does that leave the door open for a Williams-scored Part II? I sure hope it does, because as much as I love the more recent movies... the soundtracks from Doyle and Hooper were nothing more than... serviceable. And... I'm thinking that the only way possible to end for them to conclude the series musically, is with (possible spoilers if you listen to this... you'd know the exact tone the final film will end on) this piece of music (starts at 1:05).
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I'm probably going to get flamed for this but personally, I prefer the books. wink
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jawajohnny wrote:

Alright... here's something we haven't talked about (at least I don't think...)

...because as much as I love the more recent movies... the soundtracks from Doyle and Hooper were nothing more than... serviceable. And... I'm thinking that the only way possible to end for them to conclude the series musically, is with (possible spoilers if you listen to this... you'd know the exact tone the final film will end on) this piece of music (starts at 1:05).
You think? Course, everyone has there own opionions, but personally, I think Doyle did pretty amazing for the 4th one. But, I will agree with you with Hopper. unsure Could have been better.

I'm glad you also feel the same way to end the series with music. I will be expecting a good Final Song for the end.

I absolutely agree with you with a final ending like that. The last song of the 1st movie would be perfect!


If you want to here the background music without the trailer video, (witch is still awesome as is,) it's pretty cool to hear. smile

(Hint: you might want to turn off the annotations.)


Once again, I will agree about the song. That should be the only way to end it. wink

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New trailer... this time for just Part I:

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810004780/video

Once again, I'll just say... EPIC.
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Yep this is the first trailer I really liked. I LOVED seeing Dobby again (why wasn't he brought back earlier?!) and he hasn't changed a bit so take that Putin. Also Bill Nighy is my favorite actor ever in a Potter film and that's saying something (considering the cast). If only they could have had Liam Neeson...

As a bonus they finally put a Potter release on the 19. of November (my birthday) where it belongs. Seriously ever since Philosopher's Stone I just can't get into the Potter-film mood in the middle of summer. Summer was for book releases and winter for movies.
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Yep this is the first trailer I really liked. I LOVED seeing Dobby again (why wasn't he brought back earlier?!) and he hasn't changed a bit so take that Putin.
As much as I love Dobby, there just wasn't room for him to make his brief appearance in any of the subsequent films. If memory serves, he'd show up for no more than a few pages at a time, either to help Harry with something, or to present him with a Christmas gift. Nothing worthy enough to throw into the movies. As much as these little moments would have enhanced his character... they simply were not movie material. Luckily, I don't think his absence will cheapen his return or make his scenes any less powerful.

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As a bonus they finally put a Potter release on the 19. of November (my birthday) where it belongs. Seriously ever since Philosopher's Stone I just can't get into the Potter-film mood in the middle of summer. Summer was for book releases and winter for movies.
In the U.S. at least, they've been alternating between November and July releases since the first film... with the exception of Half-Blood Prince which was delayed from November until July. Has it been different in Norway?
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Loved the trailer too, all six times that I watched it.

It looks like my earlier predictions that this first part of the final film would be dull are much in error! (I based that on the book, where the first 100 pages or so are great, then it goes into a lengthy lull).

Very much looking forward to this!
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jawajohnny wrote:

Has it been different in Norway?
PS/SS - Nov
CoS - Nov
PoA - Jul
GoF - Nov
OotP - Jul
HBP - Jul

So it's equal. I guess I wrote that because I remember how angry I was that Cuaron couldn't keep the schedule coupled with that the last two were summer films. I feel that "overly confident" Oscar-bait blockbusters come out right before Christmas (and it was fun that HP was among Lord of the Rings). It's a more reserved release-time than June/July where you get nonsense like TF2 (films like Inception admittedly put a dent in that theory).

Winter blockbusters: HP-films, Titanic, Avatar, Tron Legacy, Lord of the Rings, Benjamin Button etc. (Of course we have had films like Beowulf and New Moon that don't help this)

May (which I also like): Star Wars, Star Trek 2009.

But the absolute worst is the January-March time. Can't remember the last time I voluntarily saw a film then. I got dragged to Cloverfield by my friends (I was mildly interested because of Abrams, but I was seriously going to discriminate against it because of its release-time...sad I know). It just doesn't feel right when a film doesn't stick to the appropriate clique in its release time-slot.
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You've got to be kidding. Save mid-July and the week of Christmas, I consider March the best month for movies. Historically in my opinion, too. I see the highest number of quality, enjoyable movies that I might otherwise overlook.

V for Vendetta, 300, Zodiac, Wild Hogs (excellent, I'm not joking), TMNT (the CGI one), The Lookout, Shooter, Inside Man, Brick, Thank You For Smoking, 16 Blocks, Starsky & Hutch, Guess Who, The LadyKillers, and Hot Fuzz are all movies I saw over spring break the past few years. Then in the past two years alone it's been astounding- a fantastic movie practically every week. And I saw 'em all in theaters, too:

2009 there was Duplicity, 17 Again, I Love You Man, Adventureland, Watchmen, and Monsters vs. Aliens. All of which I thoroughly enjoyed.

Then this year there's been How To Train Your Dragon, Hot Tub Time Machine, The Green Zone, She's Outta My League, and Alice in Wonderland all come to mind; among others.

March is a fantastic spice to the lull of January and May. I've always thought it to be the most consistent month for 'good' movies, if not with the stinkers yet biggest hits like December or the summer.
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I'm VERY excited now about the splitting of the book into 2 movies. For a while I was very skeptical, but I've come to realize that they need a buffer film that literally fixes all of their mistakes thus far.

One of the biggest problems I had with Half Blood Prince was that it was not an adequate "setup for the finale" film. Now we can have that. Things that weren't introduced in the earlier films can now be reintroduced with hopefully enough time so that its not awkward when they're paid off in the second part.

I'm still worried about Dobby's inclusion. He just hasn't been featured enough in the movies to make his SPOILER *death* SPOILER in anyway powerful or moving, and no amount of setup in ONE film can do that... especially considering the word is that that event would occur in the first film.

It's all a bit crazy that the Harry Potter movies are coming to an end...
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jawajohnny wrote:


Staff Only wrote:

As a bonus they finally put a Potter release on the 19. of November (my birthday) where it belongs. Seriously ever since Philosopher's Stone I just can't get into the Potter-film mood in the middle of summer. Summer was for book releases and winter for movies.
In the U.S. at least, they've been alternating between November and July releases since the first film... with the exception of Half-Blood Prince which was delayed from November until July. Has it been different in Norway?
I think it had something to do with Goblet of Fire just being less exciting for some reason. At least that's how it is for me, because I feel the same way. I felt like there hadn't been a winter release since Chamber, which was a pretty long time ago. Looking at the kid's age in that film just scares me. Anyways, so glad about the winter vibe release. After these trailers I'm really looking forward to this.
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You've got to be kidding. Save mid-July and the week of Christmas, I consider March the best month for movies.
I agree that many of those movies are great. You got me on Shooter, Watchmen (both of which I saw) and How to Train Your Dragon, but I really wanted to see HTTYD in 3D and ended up not doing that precisely because I just don't normally go to the movies in those months. It's several reasons really, and I think it mostly comes from having such a limited movie ticket budget per year. If I want to be able to get the most important films (to me) on Blu-ray, get the highest rated triple A video-games (which are the only ones I play) and have some money left over, coupled with the fact that one ticket to the movies here cost $25-30 I have to be selective every year. Then there's the fact that I would rather spend my ticket budget seeing releases like the LotR-films, Avatar, Inception, King Kong 2005, Watchmen, Batman Begins etc. 3-4 times than see 3-4 different films, therefore I end up only seeing the films with the biggest marketing budget/biggest name director every year, and waiting for the Blu-ray on the rest.

When I'm a university student living in a country that doesn't have insane movie ticket prices, then I'll probably gradually loose the release bias.

I don't however agree that there's a lull in May. May always has the first $100mill+ project of the year release. To me it's the first really exiting month of the year every year, because the wait for the first enormous release is over. Star Wars (pick one), Pirates 3, X2, The Matrix Reloaded, Finding Nemo, Spider-man, MI:3, X-men 3, Spider-man 3, Iron Man, Indy 4, Star Trek, UP, Iron Man 2 etc.

PS: I guess I'm one of the few people who agrees with you that Wild Hogs is great. Ever since I was little I knew I disliked the idea of "Eurotrip"ing/"Interrail"ing. People said: "When you're 18 you'll understand". Well I'm 18 now and I don't understand, but after Cars and Wild Hogs I really want to drive Route 66 some day. Just the feel of the film is great and I think the film itself is very good, not run-of-the-mill like I remember people saying at the time.
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Whoa whoa whoa, I mean a lull from January until May. May itself is an incredibly exciting month, and M:I3, Star Trek, X2, Spiderman 2, etc. were all early May month movies.

I'm just saying inbetween that (which even sometimes fizzles/cools until late June/July) and December, March is a quality month with lots of, generally, consistency.
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Part 1 is now 2D-only.

http://www.deadline.com/2010/10/2d-only-for-harry-potterdeathly-hallows-pt-1/
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Part 1 is now 2D-only.

http://www.deadline.com/2010/10/2d-only-for-harry-potterdeathly-hallows-pt-1/
Thank goodness. What an unprecedented and classy move by Warner Bros. They're essentially saying that right now their conversion attempt looks like Clash of the Titans or The Last Airbender, and they don't want to tarnish the Harry Potter franchise in a similar manner. I'm really surprised and pleased that they're actually putting the best interests of the film (and not their pockets) at the forefront.

I'm all for 3D... I think it can add tremendously to the atmosphere of movie... especially ones like Avatar, or the indie "dark side of the moon" film I'm currently working on... where the settings play a huge role in the story. That said, under no circumstances should a studio decide to convert a movie after it has already been shot in 2D. The only "right" way to do a conversion is if you decide on it in pre-production, and in turn plan all your shots with the knowledge that you will convert it later. If enough time is allowed for a proper conversion, you'll get good results (see Alice in Wonderland). If not, you get an effect that is barely noticeable, dims the picture to a point of total blurriness, or the movement makes the audience sick. I've been worried that these poor "cash-in" conversions will lead to the unfair demise of the 3D craze... just when it was starting to reach its potential. So it's a good sign Warner Bros. is now acknowledging the same thing.
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Very good news on the 2D. WB has my respect and are fast becoming my favorite all-round studio.

What I've wanted to say about the new trailer; what is up with the major spoilage?

"SPOILERS! (...[Rickman pause]) obviously"


We know the films ends with Lord V. getting the Elder Wand and in the trailer I see a shot of:

- Dumbledore's grave opening
- Voldemort bearing down on Dumbledore's body (not meant to sound that dirty, sorry)
- Voldemort triumphantly shooting lightning into the air with the Elder Wand on a small island presumably in the middle of the lake (because that is where Dumbledore's grave seems to be? On an island...that doesn't exist. AAAARRRG! STOP. RETCONNING. THE. HOGWARTS. GROUNDS!!!!!!!! Is was a stupid idea when Cuaron did it and it's stupid now!), next to DD's grave as the last cliffhanger shot in the film. I hope that's not the last shot of the film. Come on. The last shot in the flim is the last shot in the trailer? Prove me wrong HP marketing department. Prove me wrong come November.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Nov 2010, 4:09am

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Some featurettes have been posted for those so inclined.