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Posted: Mon, 21st Dec 2009, 3:42pm

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This was an abstract test short film I did for framing a shot for 2:40:1 aspect ratio. I acted, shot, and edited as a one man crew. I don't like acting, but I had no choice so I hope it's not to bad. I recorded most of the footage in 720p60 for slow motion, but I also used 1080p24 on a few shots. Shot on the Canon 7D DSLR and edited in Sony Vegas 9. I used Vision lab for the grading and a matte painting. Please comment and rate. I would love constructive criticism.

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Posted: Mon, 21st Dec 2009, 4:03pm

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First of all, great film. Editing was tight, music fit well, and your enviroment was perfect.
The narration was excellent. You showed just enough emotion as to not appear broken-hearted, but not mechanical either. But the mix of text and narration didn't work. Use one or the other. I loved the music. It added enough tension to the film, and provided that post-apocalyptic feel. The grading was well done, and the acting was fine.
Lastly it lacks story. It doesn't explain what happened. I assume a world war wiped out most of humanity. What war? Who? For me this works as a trailer, and I see a lot of possibilities for an excellent 20 minute film. It's really one man walking down the street, talking about about humanity destroying itself. A bit of a flashback (the weird cuts and flashes worked imo) to the war would have added so much.
In the end a well done, film. Again, it would be better as a trailer, but that's just me.
4.5/5 clap
P.S. I liked the verse from Matthew, it fit very well in the context. wink
P.S.S. The visual quality was excellent. The focus, color etc.
Posted: Mon, 21st Dec 2009, 4:33pm

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Brilliant...an excellent piece...I love 2:40 aspect ( I always use it regardless).
You've given this little gem real style and I found it faultless ,every part of it worked perfectly....well done


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Posted: Mon, 21st Dec 2009, 5:37pm

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Thanks guys.

I assume a world war wiped out most of humanity.
You assume right.

What war? Who?
I actually kept that hidden on purpose. I wanted it to be like it happened so fast that he doesn't even know.

A bit of a flashback (the weird cuts and flashes worked imo) to the war would have added so much.
I thought about that, but I never did because it was just a test film. But I think you are right. That would have added a lot to the film.

P.S. I liked the verse from Matthew, it fit very well in the context.
P.S.S. The visual quality was excellent. The focus, color etc.
Thanks smile


Brilliant...an excellent piece...I love 2:40 aspect ( I always use it regardless).
You've given this little gem real style and I found it faultless ,every part of it worked perfectly....well done
Thanks, Davlin. It's funny 'cause I had had a discussion with Tarn this morning about cropping for 2:40:1, and he had some good points about it, but I still don't know if I'm going to keep using it.
Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2009, 4:10am

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I looked at the kind of camera you used. The pictures showed a photo camera and not a video camera. How much was it and where did you get it.
Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2009, 6:00am

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This may help you out, RedSock.
Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2009, 2:03pm

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To Redsock, I have gotten a lot of weird looks when I have told people that I am shooting video with it. People think of the quality of video with a point and shoot for these, but it really is amazing. If you have the money, I recommend one.
Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2009, 3:09pm

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A friend of mine has just bought a Canon 7D purely for movie making in HD.
Think outside the box...smile
Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2009, 3:41pm

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That's what I did. The bonus is just awesome stills too.
Posted: Wed, 23rd Dec 2009, 10:45am

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Did you say One Man Crew That was AMASING!! biggrin
Posted: Wed, 23rd Dec 2009, 9:25pm

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this was very nicely executed indeed. I'm looking to shoot something similar soon and will likely be a one man crew situation too so this shows me just whats possible. Sadly a 7D is way beyond my current means and given I have a number of Nikon lenses I'll probably go down that route anyway. Nice job though. One question though. is the 2.40:1 aspect ratio done in camera or is it something done in post?

Oh and what lens did you use. Acutally a 7D isn't quite as expensive as I though but still too rich for me.
Posted: Thu, 24th Dec 2009, 4:16am

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Hi Jotoki. Thank you for your comments. I framed for the aspect ratio while shooting, but I cropped it my project from 1080x1920, to 800x1920. Even though that seems like you are throwing a lot of pixels away, what difference does it make? That's how Star Wars 2 and 3 where shot at 1080p on high def video, and that's how they did and it came out fine, so what if you do it? Actually, since most of the footage was shot at 720p60 for smooth slow motion, I cropped from 720x1280, to 534x1280. That's throwing even more pixels away, but it is still a whole lot bigger than SD, so why not? For now on, the majority of my projects will be 2:40:1.

As for the lens, I used a canon 28mm to 135mm zoom (came with the camera). I was able to borrow a 50mm prime the next day which would have given me even shallower DOF, but of well.

Glad you enjoyed, and I hope this helps you out.
Posted: Thu, 24th Dec 2009, 7:48am

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Thanks for the reply. It's what I expected to be honest but just wanted to check. Does the 7D autofocus while in video mode and does it allow variable shutter speed in video mode as well? The movie mode on the nikons' is limited at the moment so I'm gonna wait till they improve that but for me, for the enthusiast film maker Digital SLR with movie mode is the way to go. Interchangeable lenses, high def, DOF. Once they add in more control (and nikon sort that annoying rolling shutter issue) it'll be a no brainer. Excellent photos and superb flexible video too, all for much less cost than a camcorder with interchangeable lenses. You can't loose. Yes there are limitations but for someone on a budget it's fantastic.
Posted: Thu, 24th Dec 2009, 9:41am

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I felt like this had a lot of 'Oh, this will look cool' strategy put into it, but not really enough follow-through. The composition of the shots is fairly good, and as a test this works- but on some fundamental level this all just feel very fly-by-the-seat-of-my-pants aimless to me, like you just started shooting without a concrete idea of what to shoot, and then later started talking for a voiceover and 'winging it' without writing anything down beforehand or knowing what you were gonna say. It feels somewhat copycat to me, in this regard. Which is probably my own narcissism kicking in (biggrin), but the weighty voiceover is something to me that has to be handled the right way- and I felt like it was so-so here.

Obviously this might not be the case for either, that's just the feeling I got.

On a technical level this is pretty and polished- you certainly have shown off the power of the 7D nicely and it's cool to see someone use it in action- in a better context or with great variety I feel you would've shown this even more- but I can appreciate that you were grounded to just yourself working on it and the complexity and variety of shots is admirable for that.

Editing wise it's about the same story: solid, for sure, but also played a little safe. If there was perhaps more man-power on this little project and a little more foresight on what exactly you wanted to do I'm sure this would be an excellent little test- and as it is currently this is certainly a great leaping point for more ventures with your excellent camera and a neat idea.

So, yeah. For me I got this feeling you just threw a bunch at the wall and hoped some of it would stick; which maybe you did maybe you didn't- but that's where I'm at with that. Just not my thing, but overall pretty solid and a valiant effort, man. Hope to see more from ya soon.

As for the cargo shorts......you know my thoughts. wink
Posted: Thu, 24th Dec 2009, 9:46pm

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I got myself the same set up as you, vegas, canon 7d, 1 zoom lens and 1 50mm lens.
I've not had chance to use it yet properly so it was great to see you using it, well done for getting out there and doing something on your own.
Are you thinking of getting a follow focus set up?
You can get a remote one made by sony for the canon eos camera's.

Did you have any problems while shooting that film yourself?
Posted: Thu, 24th Dec 2009, 9:46pm

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Nothing looks better in crisp 720p than leg hair.
Posted: Fri, 25th Dec 2009, 4:14am

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Atom, you are %100 right on the production of this. I made the story line in the four minutes it takes to drive to the location, which is probably the reason why there is none.

As for the cargo shorts......you know my thoughts.
They're not CARGOS! smile lol, I hate cargos. They where the trashiest things in my closet, so I put them on. I REALLY should have warn pants.

Are you thinking of getting a follow focus set up?
You can get a remote one made by sony for the canon eos camera's.
I have thought about it, but I think I would rather just make my own than buy one. I really don't have a problem with focusing with the lens because it doesn't take much.

Did you have any problems while shooting that film yourself?
Actually, that goes along with focus. For the close up shot of my face, it was really difficult. I marked a spot on the ground, focused. Then, I had to point the camera at the right height, which I had no real guide. It took a few tries, but it wasn't that bad.

Thanks for the comments and rating guys smile
Posted: Sun, 27th Dec 2009, 3:31am

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Just FYI, they ARE cargo shorts - they've got pockets on the sides to 'stow cargo'.

You don't want to get into a sartorial argument with Atom, it's kind of his specialty.... biggrin
Posted: Sun, 27th Dec 2009, 3:58am

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OK, what ever. What did you think of the actual film? Any improvements (beside the shorts)?
Posted: Sun, 27th Dec 2009, 8:59am

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I mean, hate to phrase it like this or take Ben's words outta his mouth: But what's there to really comment on, you know? At least as far as growth, this is far too simple and short to really critique in any way except to say 'plan more and build a more complex set of technicals/narrative and see where it takes you'.

There's a lot of promise in a camera like the 7D, and even moreso with someone who knows (even on an elementary level- which you're not, just saying) how to use it- but as it stands we simply need to see more.

That was my big kicker- I want to see an idea developed with this. It's all good and cool-looking and all, but it only nearly scratches the surface, you know?

I look forward to seeing more and more complexity within this 'more'. wink
Posted: Sun, 27th Dec 2009, 1:25pm

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There's a lot of promise in a camera like the 7D, and even moreso with someone who knows (even on an elementary level- which you're not, just saying)...
What is the elementary level and by who's standards? What could I do (besides the planning, trust me, I know per-production. I've been in it for almost a year now on my newest project I'm producing). Was the cinematography sub par? How about the editing or music?

That was my big kicker- I want to see an idea developed with this. It's all good and cool-looking and all, but it only nearly scratches the surface, you know?

I look forward to seeing more and more complexity within this 'more'.
Oh trust me, it's coming smile
Posted: Sun, 27th Dec 2009, 9:29pm

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I feel like a second opinion. This time the lack of story didn't jump out to me as much as the narrative. Just too mechanical. A bit more emotion. Also, sometimes it was hard to hear u because the music drowned you out. The words weren't my exact choice either. If it's so cold and you walked a thousand miles why are you wearing shorts? Alright, Ill stop, but try making the narrative abit clearer next tim and maybe a better choice of words for the opening...
Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2009, 1:58am

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Rockfilmers wrote:

Atom wrote:

There's a lot of promise in a camera like the 7D, and even moreso with someone who knows (even on an elementary level- which you're not, just saying)...
What is the elementary level and by who's standards? What could I do (besides the planning, trust me, I know per-production. I've been in it for almost a year now on my newest project I'm producing). Was the cinematography sub par? How about the editing or music?
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I think you mistake what I'm saying. I said there's a lotta promise with the 7D even for people with only an elementary knowledge of how to use it- which you weren't- as in I thought you knew it pretty well, better than 'elementary'. Hope that clears that up- it's by no means sub-par, just a little uninspired- which I made a note of saying was still impressive considering the one-man-setup in my previous posts.

And by 'who's level' you say? Mine, of course. wink

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Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2009, 2:07am

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Oh I see Atom, I'm sorry. Thanks for clearing that up. I see what you are saying. Worry for taking it wrong.

And by 'who's level' you say? Mine, of course.
And that's what we all strive for smile
Posted: Tue, 29th Dec 2009, 3:19pm

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Beautiful job! Looks like it's right out of a Hollywood suspense movie! What was that music track you used? I would like to have that track myself, if you wouldn't mind divulging where you got it.

Thanks.
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I generated the track in a program called Cinescore by Sony software. I'm glad you liked it. I would have composed sometyhing myself if it was a bigger project.
Posted: Wed, 6th Jan 2010, 7:58pm

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can some on tell me how to add 2 or more clips to effects lab pro
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On the toolbox hit the tab that seez media. Hit the little folder icon and import as many clips/pictures as you want.
Does that answer your question?
Posted: Wed, 6th Jan 2010, 10:48pm

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It's not the best i have seen, there's not a point
Posted: Fri, 8th Jan 2010, 2:07am

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Nice, I'd love to see what you could do with a long script. I thought the editing and camera work was good for doing it by your self. Keep up the good work.
Posted: Fri, 8th Jan 2010, 2:34am

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It's not the best i have seen, there's not a point
The point is testing the 2:40:1 aspect ratio and cinematography. I've already stated that plenty of times. There is no real story, quit simply, because there is no real story.

Nice, I'd love to see what you could do with a long script. I thought the editing and camera work was good for doing it by your self. Keep up the good work.
Thanks, I have a new film in pre-production right now. Keep an eye out.
Posted: Sat, 9th Jan 2010, 5:06pm

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I like the depth of field effect- you really did an awsome job!! keep up the creativity.
Posted: Sat, 9th Jan 2010, 5:35pm

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I like the depth of field effect- you really did an awsome job!! keep up the creativity.
Thanks smile. The 7D produces some amazingly shallow dof, especially with primes. To bad I didn't have any for this shoot.
Posted: Sun, 10th Jan 2010, 12:31am

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I don't Get it.
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I don't Get it.
Posted: Sat, 16th Jan 2010, 3:24am

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Great job man! Keep em rollen!
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It was really put together well, but the plot was nothing, just random dramatic words. but the editing was tight!