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Escape From Dalek City

Posted: Wed, 6th Jan 2010, 9:53am

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With the help of Robosapien V2, i-SOBOT has escaped captivity of the Daleks. Entire video is greenscreen. Backdrops created in Vue 6 Esprit and photoshop.

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Posted: Wed, 6th Jan 2010, 10:07am

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Rating: +1/-3

Congratulations... Your choice of music makes this already very odd piece entirely unwatchable. crazy

I seriously, seriously recommend going back to the editing board and chose something else. Do some soundwork too, while your at it. Or maybe I just don't quite get what this is... Is this supposed to be an actual shortfilm? A test? An animated storyboard? I honestly can't tell... sad
Posted: Sat, 9th Jan 2010, 9:31pm

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Your credabilty as a critic is blown - who says Congratulations that's unwatchable? Maybe if you could give some constructive criticism without so much malicious intent. Thats why the majority of the public go to films the critics have rubbished and the films turn out to be pretty dam good. So anyone reading this, watch my film and make your own mind up and don't be intimidated and influenced.

Remember, I'm only one man, who did every aspect of this film. I can't be expert in every field.I'm not a professionall film maker. You maybe, but you probably have a lot of other professionals backing you up. I couldn't use copyrighted music, so I have found a way to create my own.

And Sollthar, you don't know what this is, because you didn't really pay attention, because you are too busy criticising and figuring out your "put downs".
Posted: Sat, 9th Jan 2010, 11:08pm

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This has a real japanese anime feeling about it. I agree with Sollthar about the sound track (unless that is whats giving me the anime vibe.) I just found it to be really over powering with its repetitive tone. In all I think you did a good job.
Posted: Mon, 11th Jan 2010, 9:24pm

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I'm sorry you take critisism so badly. But I don't help you when I tell you your video is good because it simply isn't. I was trying to give you pointers on where to start: Mainly the music. Find a composer if you have to, it's possible, even for "one man" and on his hobby - I know, I did it lots of time. Add some sound effects, do some soundwork.

I can see that you spend lots of time on certain aspects, but you seem to completely ignore certain basic rules of filmmaking. And being "one man" and "no expert in every field" is no excuse - I'm also doing most of my work alone without any professionals backing me up. We all start somewhere and have to learn. And if there are things we really can't do, we find someone who can. There are people out there. Lots of them. Especially here.


You're welcome to go on a tirade about critics and how your film is actually a masterpiece and I don't see it - or you can go back to the editing board and try to make this better, learn and improve. It's really up to you.

Good luck either way.
Posted: Tue, 12th Jan 2010, 12:55am

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I certainly would have been more open to constructive criticism with a more friendly approach and less arrogant sarcasm. Thanks for making my FxHome experience so enjoyable. Your second post still didn't really give me any constructive criticism and friendly encouragement. You don't like my film - I get that. You're the professional and I'm the amateur - I'm now very aware of that concept. You certainly set the mood from your first post and I don't think others appreciate these sorts of exchanges on these forums and are less likely to take a look because of it - which was the point I was trying to make (not that I had created a masterpiece as you put it)

Bottom line - being a bit more friendlier and diplomacy. It's not about how good or bad my film is - its your attitude that I take offence to.
Posted: Tue, 12th Jan 2010, 2:01pm

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I'm afraid I have to agree with Sollthar with regards to the music: it didn't seem to 'connect' with the visuals or story at all. Even taken as a separate piece of music it's very difficult to listen to, due to its over-energised sound which is quite relentless, especially over long periods.

Although I understand that Sollthar isn't your favourite person at the moment, I would highly recommend reading his Filmmaker's Guide, which he put together in his own time to help new filmmakers:

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27135

A lot of what the guide focuses on is the 'language' of cinema. While that might sound poncey, it's crucial to understand it so that you can tell stories in a video format more efficiently and in a way that the audience will comprehend.
Posted: Tue, 12th Jan 2010, 9:06pm

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Nah, best you follow Dannys comment on youtube and ignore me and everything I said or will say. Clearly, it must be me not "getting it" or, as so eloquently put, being grumpy.

Have fun!
Posted: Wed, 13th Jan 2010, 12:14am

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Sollthar may have had a little arrogance in his comment, but it was still good advice. Listen to it and improve.
Posted: Wed, 13th Jan 2010, 7:05am

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I'm actually surprised Sollthar was as pleasant as he was about this film. I honestly have absolutely no clue where someone would get the idea to have music that sounds like that in a video. It's so astoundingly grating, I had to turn my sound off in about 10 seconds.


Seriously, unless you're going to sell/profit from the film, Just use copyrighted music. Alternately, you can track down some free stock music, or purchase a song from a stock music website (Which can be had for around $20 a song).



Edit: So, I just look at your other videos, and your website. I'm going to have to chalk all of that up *purely* to your own preferences, Which are admittedly not..."mainstream".
Posted: Wed, 13th Jan 2010, 2:16pm

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Well, well, well. Someone is cruisin' for a bruisin' now, aren't they?

Maybe now people will see the importance and necessity of the New Member Humbling System™ I use. wink
Posted: Wed, 13th Jan 2010, 3:04pm

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There has been a lot of hard work put in here and I enjoyed watching it.

It was quirky ,family type of film which has some cool backdrops.
There is something in the movie that really appeals to me and I'm not sure sure what exactly, maybe the animation or applied fx but it has it's own magic.

If I have any critical remarks it would be perhaps a tad too long but
I've always had a "thing" about length of Hobbyists films.

Well done ...I shall be going through your past films because of this.

Dave
Posted: Wed, 13th Jan 2010, 8:16pm

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Here are some guideline I found elsewhere on FxHome:
• Please respect other people's work. Some filmmakers here have been working for decades, while others are only just starting out. Consequently, there will be a wide range of movies in the Cinema, of varying quality. Bear this in mind when commenting and rating.

• When commenting on a submitted movie, try to offer constructive criticism. Unwarranted or unjustified negativity and insulting responses are not welcome.
With the enphasis on insulting - sarcasm is insulting.

For the ones that don't know what my short film is - it is episode fourteen of a series of films. I should have expalined that, which was a mistake because some of us jump to conclusions without watching the rest of it. To bring the viewer up to date I did the piece at the start and used some music I created using Microsoft photo story 3. If I use copyrighted music I don't post them on FxHome not to violate copyright. The copyright owner claims them on YouTube.

If I don't like something I would rather look for all the positive stuff to comment on and then give some constructive criticism. Amateur film makers certainly don't want everyone focusing on the bit they got wrong without hearing they got some of it right.

I am exceptionally disappointed in the way this was handled. Even more so to discover that Sollthar was connected to FxHome.

I couldn't remember seeing the guidelines and found them in general chat. I am sure a moderator would have been on top of this from the start on other forums.
Posted: Wed, 13th Jan 2010, 8:49pm

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I am mature enough to apologize for my sarcasm in my first post. To stir such a reaction was entirely not my intent and while I do find your reaction irritatingly and unexpectantly heavy, I did try to move out of the fireline with my last post, apparently without much success.

I am not trying to personally insult you on any level, if I did - and I mean this - I apologize for it.

That's all I can do.
Posted: Wed, 13th Jan 2010, 8:58pm

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NightMan wrote:

I am exceptionally disappointed in the way this was handled. Even more so to discover that Sollthar was connected to FxHome.
Hey man, I apologize if you've had a rough start here or some unnecessary or brash conversation thrown your way; I can certainly understand- I had very much a similar opening and I know nobody wants that. But to belabor this point is a bit much.

For those that had/have yet to comment on your movie and come into this thread (like myself) to see such snarky posts from Sollthar is eyes-roll-able, yeah, and I'm willing to throw down a minus one to show you sort of 'hey, look, some of us acknowledge that might've been too harsh'. But past that it should become a moot point.

From there, by continuing to show how 'disappointed' you are by FXHome and the existing, generally friendly, well-established, and years-long-built community here (which is, obviously, also the people like myself that come in here trying to offer help and are already pre-disappointing wink) you're essentially needlessly alienating yourself from it. Which isn't cool for you as a new member, nor us as people being belittled/condescended by a new member.

Listen, NightMan, I'm sure you've got a lot to show us and there's some potential in this movie (although admittedly I didn't like the music at all either), but you're eclipsing that by harping on. Like if one person booed part of your movie and you got up during a showing in a theater and lectured the guy on courtesy and proper theater etiquette. Yeah, it might be understandable; but it certainly isn't called for, because you're in turn ruining/souring the movie and reviews you'll get from the rest of your audience in the process.
Posted: Wed, 13th Jan 2010, 9:08pm

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Every action has an equal or opposite reaction. Apology accepted. We'll let others decide whether they like my film or not hopefully without being influenced.
Posted: Thu, 14th Jan 2010, 9:14am

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NightMan wrote:

I am exceptionally disappointed in the way this was handled.
I'm sorry you feel this way, it's obviously not an experience we want anybody to have here. However, it is also vital to recognise that putting work up in the public sphere will always attract a range of responses, not all of them favourable. Even the most successful Hollywood directors still have thousands of cinemagoers around the world who think they suck. smile

Which is to say: it's up to you how seriously to take negative comments. But I'm a firm believer that if you put a movie up for unrestricted public consumption, you have to take the rough with the smooth. I've put a fair few movies up on YouTube over the years and have had some fairly foul comments - that's just the way it goes, that's the price we pay for having a potential global audience, which has only been possible in the last 5-10 years. I'm more than happy to take some negative comments in exchange for that amazing opportunity.

At the end of the day, if you are happy with your work, then that's the main thing.

Please don't let your reaction to one person's personal opinion (which he is entitled to) tarnish the whole FXhome community. As Atom says, it's generally a very friendly place, and you've clearly got some fans here. I should also mention that Sollthar usually offers very constructive criticism and advice, so his initial comment here was more of an anomaly than his usual demeanour!

Even more so to discover that Sollthar was connected to FxHome.
I should also clarify that Sollthar is not an FXhome employee. He is a customer and a valued member of the community (as is everybody else), as well as an authorised forum moderator and a contributor of stock footage - not to mention a good friend of ours. But he is not directly part of the company in any way.
Posted: Tue, 19th Jan 2010, 7:34pm

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I can actually watch this without the sound and Its way better.
The music is just the same all the time and too fast for the video.
But good job with the animation