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Airsoft Guns Spraypainting Help

Posted: Fri, 8th Jan 2010, 11:49pm

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I was going to buy matte black spray paint to spray paint my airsoft guns with, however I couldn't find any without ordering it online. The main types of black spray paints available to me are semi-gloss, gloss, flat, and satin black. So my question is what is the main difference between semi-gloss, gloss, flat, and satin black paint and which would look the best for acheiving a real-life gun feel for airsoft guns? Are any of these a good alternative to matte black or will I have to order it online? Thanks! -Storm Grenade
Posted: Sat, 9th Jan 2010, 12:09am

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Gloss is very shiny, semi gloss less so but it will still have a shine, satin matte has a richer finish than flat, which is effectively matte. I think.
Posted: Sat, 9th Jan 2010, 2:42am

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I used a flat black spray paint for my airsoft gun and it looks great.
Posted: Sat, 9th Jan 2010, 3:57am

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Depending upon where you plan to film with those, It can't be stated enough that you should have flagrant signs put about that say you're filming with props, particularly "Nowadays" (A term I hate to use, but it's true)
Posted: Sat, 9th Jan 2010, 11:54pm

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Make sure you use a layer or two of primer spray paint. Your paint will stick much better.
Posted: Sun, 10th Jan 2010, 4:44am

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Be careful where you take painted barrel airsoft guns. But Just a tip, I used nail polish to remove my orange tip. You put the nail polish on the tip, let it sit for 10 seconds, then wipe the paint off with an old towel. Some paint comes off like water and other paint needs to be scrubbed off. If you do it right it looks better and if you dont like the way it turns out then you can paint over it smile
Posted: Sun, 10th Jan 2010, 7:39pm

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Bryce007 wrote:

Depending upon where you plan to film with those, It can't be stated enough that you should have flagrant signs put about that say you're filming with props, particularly "Nowadays" (A term I hate to use, but it's true)
I will be filming in a thick woods behind by friends house, but I'm not sure what you mean by flagrant signs. I was just going to go around door-to-door telling them that we will be filming, etc. Also if I do tell everyone, I wouldn't have to alert the authorities for permission since I'm pretty young, right?

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Rockfilmers wrote:

I used a flat black spray paint for my airsoft gun and it looks great.
Can you post some pictures of your airsoft guns or something? Thanks everyone! I appreciate the help, keep it coming! -Storm Grenade
Posted: Mon, 11th Jan 2010, 4:17am

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I meant "Blatant". However, If it's thick wooded area, I wouldn't worry about telling the cops. Just make sure your neighbors know.
Posted: Mon, 11th Jan 2010, 10:05am

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Is it a thick wooded area where random people might be walking? ie, people you won't have informed about the shoot in advance. If so, it's probably worth telling the authorities in advance. You don't want some guy walking his dog to get in a panic and think you're stealing trees or something.
Posted: Mon, 11th Jan 2010, 2:53pm

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I spray painted my gun with a simple black paint I found in the garage. But I did forget about my orange point crazy ... Storm grenade don't worry about it too much. If possible post a little notice: Filming in progress... or something. You'll be fine.
Posted: Mon, 11th Jan 2010, 2:55pm

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The "you'll be fine" advice doesn't really work for me, Agent. In situations like this it's far better to be safe than sorry.

It's only a movie, after all. Not worth getting shot over.
Posted: Mon, 11th Jan 2010, 3:03pm

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By all means is it not worth getting shot over a film. I meant if you put a sign up that you'll be filming with props and they see a young guy with a camera, they'll understand.
Posted: Mon, 11th Jan 2010, 3:24pm

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Agent 702 wrote:

By all means is it not worth getting shot over a film. I meant if you put a sign up that you'll be filming with props and they see a young guy with a camera, they'll understand.
Obviously they'd assume everything's on the level because idiots have never filmed themselves committing crimes before. How about using some common sense and realising that seeing someone lurking in the woods with a gun isn't often a normal thing to see and they probably won't want to hang around looking for signs that explain what you're up to. People have been shot for doing much less suspicious things before even here in the UK where your average plod isn't tooled up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Stanley
Posted: Mon, 11th Jan 2010, 4:42pm

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Telling storm grenade to put signs up was not an invitation to go into the woods and be reckless about the issue. Common sense.
I'm glad you linked to Henry Stanley. It's a perfect (and sad) example that mistakes happen. Everything he did was in reason and I really don't think he could have reasonably done anything else to avoid the incident.
I understand what your saying and it's storm grenade's choice if wants to alert the authorities. I think that it's highly unlikely that he'll fall under suspicion (honestly if he's deep in the woods and being discreet, with clear signs...). It wouldn't hurt to play it safe...but I think signs will be enough.
Posted: Mon, 11th Jan 2010, 5:01pm

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There was a UK crime drama a few years (can't remember the name of it) they were filming a scene at some docklands of someone being executed, there was about 15 members of cast and crew present plus lights and other obvious film related gear, they even shot the scene multiple times. Someone working near by spotted this and called the police thinking there was some sort of gangland mass murders going on. If there is a slim chance of even a single member of the public noticing, then inform the police, because most people who see a gun in public assume the worst and panic.

With regards to actually spray painting guns, a while a go I tested out the difference between gloss and matte, both were dry brushed slightly with silver to try and give a scuffed look to them. The gloss one definitely catches the light more.



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Posted: Mon, 11th Jan 2010, 8:55pm

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Tarn wrote:

Is it a thick wooded area where random people might be walking?
No, no. I mean yes it is pretty thick but no one goes into the woods...trust me.
Except for Old man Johnson. He roams the woods with a shotgun and his german sheperd, looking for tresspassers. wink Just Kidding.
We will be fine because these woods slope into a big, very steep valley. We should be good.

Koradin- I believe thats a fake MP5, correct? I'm not sure which looks more realistic since I haven't actually seen a real black military gun in person before. However Google should help!
Which do you guys think looks the most realistic?
Posted: Tue, 12th Jan 2010, 12:31am

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I wish I could say they were real, but they're just cheap toy guns. I'll eventually add a bit more detail such as doing the fire selector positions in white and red, the same as a real mp5.

Personally I prefer the matte finish; I'd say its closer to the real thing. Besides once the guns being waved around by an actor that can convincingly portray recoil and you've added muzzle flashes, smoke, shell ejection and appropriate sound effects, how many people are going to question it?

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Posted: Tue, 12th Jan 2010, 2:33am

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Thats kind of what this post was about. I can't find matte black. Where did you get it at?
Back to your spray painted guns, the gloss looked way too shiny, but I think that the matte looked a little bland. My guess would be either the semi-gloss or the flat black, in my opinion.
Posted: Tue, 12th Jan 2010, 11:25am

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I had checked all of the local diy shops and had no luck finding suitable spray paint. When I went in to a local shop called 'Motor World' that sells spare parts for cars to get a new bulb, they also sold a massive range of spray paints as well. So if you have any car repair shops near you head down there and check them out.

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Posted: Tue, 12th Jan 2010, 8:31pm

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Alrighty! I'll see what they have in stock.
Posted: Sun, 7th Feb 2010, 7:01pm

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Koradin wrote:

then inform the police, because most people who see a gun in public assume the worst and panic.
Agreed. But make sure the police understands what going on. I once tried to inform the police. The guy who answered the phone somehow got the idea that I was a big film production trying to get off cheap (when you're 17 apparently you sound like a grown man on the phone) by just making a random phone call a few days before filming, and it ended up with that he forbid us to film with prop guns on that location (which I understand as it was moderately populated and adjacent to a busy street). We had to re-locate at the last minute.

So we re-located to a place very close to where I live, which was much more secluded and I thought we could get away with not asking for permission this time as I knew everyone there and they know I film films (went with the "Better to ask forgiveness than permission" theory), then one of my neighbors who is a policeman walked passed us and said: "So do you have permission to do this?" *Knowing smile*

Me: "Well...um, these things are plastic toys." (I didn't show him the one airsoft-gun we kept hidden in a trunk except for during takes as they are very illegal outside of private property in Norway).

Him: "Just kidding, up here we recognize you. wink But watch your back when doing something like this in the future though."

Pretty scary and slightly embarrassing. My point is: when filming always imagine the consequences no matter what you are doing. Be it airsoft guns or dodgy car stunts. Getting hurt/in trouble is never worth it. And as Rawree said: don't film yourself doing something illegal. If you film yourself doing illegal motorcycle stunts because it's in your script, doesn't make it any less illegal or your film any less incriminating.

And I would go with the most matte black you could find. The less light your prop reflects the harder it is for the camera to pick up material/details that might differ from the real thing.
Posted: Sun, 7th Feb 2010, 7:22pm

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Storm Grenade wrote:


We will be fine because these woods slope into a big, very steep valley. We should be good.
Same but sometimes people go in the woods near my place, but not very often. And luckily my dad is a cop so its not that hard to get permission. But I don't have any airsoft guns. But I don't think there to hard to obtain. biggrin
Posted: Sun, 7th Feb 2010, 9:45pm

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As far as painting goes, this should be of some service to you:
http://www.airsoftforum.com/board/Painting-Guides-t95142.html
Posted: Sun, 7th Feb 2010, 11:36pm

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Storm Grenade, "matte" is "flat". Same thing.

Why do you want any shine on your gun? Real pistols are finished in a flat "bluing" today, almost a mid-gray colour. You paint your gun in anything that catches the light and it's going to look fake. Glossy paint makes minor surface flaws stand out.

If you must have some shine on it, paint it in "matte" black, and when it's totally dry, rub it with a coarse cloth. That'll put a very slight gleam on it. TIP: for added realism, only rub the parts that are likely to have been in contact with holsters, clothing, carry bags, whatever.