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Posted: Fri, 22nd Jan 2010, 1:16am

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Any Americans on the forum keeping up with the NFL? I know there was a thread regarding the NCAA a few weeks back, but I was wondering (considering the championships are coming soon) if anyone had a team they were rooting for. A team that's still in the race to Miami, that is.

Personally, I've been a Favre fan my whole life (I wrote my final paper last semester on him) so of course I'm rooting for them against the Saints this coming sunday. Anyone else? I mean, considering we're all males on this board, I'd figure that there might be one or two NFL fans out there..
Posted: Fri, 22nd Jan 2010, 2:00am

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There's no team I REALLY like in the running at the moment. Either the Saints or Vikings that one doesn't matter to me, but I want the Jets to loose. I'm a Dolphins fan and considering how the Jets and Phins are rivals, I dislike them. Plus the Jets have a jerk for a coach. I guess, if I had to root for just one team it would be the Saints. So... Go Saints! smile
Posted: Fri, 22nd Jan 2010, 2:15am

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Well your best bet at the moment is probably the Colts, considering they're competing against the Jets come sunday.. I wouldn't worry too much about the Jets, though. smile
Posted: Fri, 22nd Jan 2010, 2:37am

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I don't really follow football, though I play it. Sort of rooting for the Vikings, though. Mainly because they have a cool name.
Posted: Fri, 22nd Jan 2010, 4:12am

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Huge Packer fan here, therefore I hope Favre throws 7 picks and the Saints dominate Sun.
Posted: Fri, 22nd Jan 2010, 5:00am

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drspin98 wrote:

Huge Packer fan here, therefore I hope Favre throws 7 picks and the Saints dominate Sun.
Ha, same here actually. But I grew up with Favre, and I thought that the Packers were on the wrong side of the whole "letting Favre go" thing. I'm still a huge Packers fan (if the championship came down to Packers-Vikings, I'd go with the Packs) but all the same I'm rooting for Favre. I mean, the guy played for GB for half of his freaking life, and the least we can give him is support if he wants to continue. Just my thoughts..

What about the AFC? Any Colts or Jets fans here?
Posted: Fri, 22nd Jan 2010, 5:17am

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As Dallas is the city I've grown up in, of course the Dallas Cowboys are my team. It's sad stuff, to get so close with them this year, only to have Favre shake us down so bad. We even beat the Saints by a large spread!

Ugh, don't remind me. First my college (Texas) losing the championship after a perfect season, then the next week the Cowboys losing the playoffs after four consecutive perfect wins. It kills me, the state of Texas sports tormenting me so much.

At least the Saints will make an almost complete comeback; an amazing feat and team considerin....well......how poopy they've been since forever before this season. I hope Drew Brees kills Brett Favre. Favre is a fantastic player, but when he dominates no matter what team he plays on he trascends them and 'team allegiance' seems to have no point. Like with the Packers and the Vikings. Are you rooting for the player or the team, you know?

Cowboys have always been beloved with me, though, so I can't really talk.
Posted: Fri, 22nd Jan 2010, 5:34am

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Go Jets! Most of my family is from New York, and other parts of the northern US, so that's my pick. Not a big football fan though. I doubt they'll get any further. You never no though, after the upset they pulled.
Posted: Fri, 22nd Jan 2010, 9:37am

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I have zero interest in American football, given that a) I'm not American and b) I don't even like British football. razz

However, I can't help but think that the game would be seriously awesome if the team names were taken more literally:

Saints: Actually play with divine power. Potential for flight using angel wings, perhaps?

Vikings: Obvious. Ideally parts of the stadium would be water-based, allowing for longship combat.

Jets: Powerboots enabling them to jump huge areas of the pitch.

Dolphins: Possibly a natural match for the water-based Vikings.

Colts: Armed with old revolvers.

Cowboys: These guys should probably team up with the Colts.
Posted: Fri, 22nd Jan 2010, 2:28pm

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I was going to start this topic, thanks thrawn.
I have to say I think Favre is going to have a story book ending by winning the Superbowl in dramatic fashion. I don't really see the jets getting lucky enough to beat Indy but you never know. We said the same about Cincinnati and San Diego. But then again the Jets lost to the my lowly Bills. It will be interesting but again i'm pulling for Farve...
Posted: Fri, 22nd Jan 2010, 5:07pm

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Colts all the way!
Posted: Fri, 22nd Jan 2010, 8:15pm

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Tarn wrote:

Jets: Powerboots enabling them to jump huge areas of the pitch.
mad It's a gridiron!!

That's actually a really interesting concept. But the jet boots would take away the O-and-D line, which are the best positions in the game.
Posted: Fri, 22nd Jan 2010, 9:28pm

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Well, I'm obviously a diehard Patriots fan, so I'm disappointed they won't have the chance to add to their status as "team of the decade". Not that they would have been able to compete with anyone... they've got some serious injury, personnel, and coaching problems to work out.

I certainly don't want the Jets or Colts to win, so now I'm pulling for the Vikings. I can't believe I'm saying this, but go Favre. Win a championship and retire on top. smile
Posted: Fri, 22nd Jan 2010, 9:51pm

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Epic post, Tarn.

I'm with Tarn on this one. British football, or soccer or whatever, is the sh*t in Norway. It's the one sport everyone cares about, except me. I was almost thrown from my driving-teachers car when he found out that I knew absolutely nothing about that Norway's national team recently changed their coach. He asked me what I thought of the new coach [insert name], and I was like: "Who?".

You can imagine the rest.
Posted: Fri, 22nd Jan 2010, 11:22pm

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Tarn wrote:

Colts: Armed with old revolvers.

Cowboys: These guys should probably team up with the Colts.
If we're taking it literally, the Colts should be young horses, which would make a game between the Colts and the Cowboys very interesting, since the Cowboys are half cow, half boy.
Posted: Mon, 25th Jan 2010, 9:51am

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Meanwhile, the Patriots would be people that drone on tediously about how awesome America is, in the process forgetting to actually play the game.
Posted: Mon, 25th Jan 2010, 12:30pm

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Following this (awesome) logic, the must-see games of the week would undoubtedly be the Bears vs Lions, Saints vs Titans, and Giants vs Jets. (Redskins vs Patriots was already played out 200 years ago, and we all know how that ended up...)

Not sure how the "football" aspect of the game would factor in....but nice. smile

In other news, looks like we'll have a Colts vs Saints-flavored Super Bowl this year. All I ask is that Manning makes an utter fool of himself on an international stage.

That is all I ask.
Posted: Mon, 25th Jan 2010, 1:32pm

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International? razz
Posted: Mon, 25th Jan 2010, 1:43pm

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Oh Tarn, the silly humor of the British lol. I think what would really be awesome is for there to be an international league.

But I guess America would just win because we are so awesome wink...
Posted: Mon, 25th Jan 2010, 1:48pm

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Pooky wrote:

International? razz
At least 10 million tuned it. Though admittedly small when compared to availability, its at least something. Right? Right? confused
Posted: Mon, 25th Jan 2010, 2:39pm

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Hehehe, yeah fair enough, but the world cup has a viewership over 1 billion! Now that's international smile I don't really hear much about the Superbowl here, though then again, I don't hear that much about the world cup either.
Posted: Mon, 25th Jan 2010, 2:47pm

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I actively try to avoid both. wink

Actually, to be fair, the World Cup is the one time that football vaguely interests me. When it's boiled down to a country-by-country basis there's at least a vague logic to who you should report, even for somebody as unpatriotic as myself. Otherwise it's so arbitrary as to whom people choose to support (especially given that the players are from all over the place) that I find it frankly bizarre that people can get so worked up about it all.
Posted: Mon, 25th Jan 2010, 3:05pm

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What, don't people just support the club of the city closest to where they are? Like here with Hockey, the entire province of Quebec supports the Montreal Canadiens despite the team being mostly comprised of east-europeans razz
Posted: Mon, 25th Jan 2010, 3:06pm

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Sometimes yeah, but often people seem to support a random team from a city they've never even visited.

Once you factor in the international composition of the teams, though, the location of the management team seems largely irrelevant. The whole thing just seems a bit weird to me!
Posted: Mon, 25th Jan 2010, 3:10pm

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Your right Tarn. A lot of people here love the Dolphins because of our proximity to Miami. What they fail to understand is that the dolphins suck. I'm with you, I don't follow foot ball, I just watch the super bowl. I don't even know who is going. Oh well, what ever floats peoples boat.
Posted: Mon, 25th Jan 2010, 7:05pm

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The Superbowl will be Peyton Manning's Indianapolis Colts vs. Brew Brees' New Orleans Saints.
Posted: Mon, 25th Jan 2010, 7:37pm

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Though it should have been Brett Favre's Vikings vs Peyton Manning's Colts.

The game yesterday, for those who watched, between the Vikings and Saints was unbelievable. I'm still recovering from the loss. I think Favre played a great game, contrary to those who insist he lost the game for the Vikings. He was hit very hard throughout the game, and went out with a sprained ankle about half way through the game. He came back out immediately though, and played the rest of the game on his hurting ankle. I was hoping that somehow they'd pull through, but as soon as the Saints won the coin toss in overtime, everyone knew it was over. Even Jared Allen couldn't stop the Saint's offense.

I hope Favre's back next year. More importantly, I hope he doesn't go back and forth with the decision. I think he has another year in him, but who knows. Kurt Warner is about to retire this year as well, so that'd be two Hall of Fame-ers retiring in one year. Not a great conclusion to such a great year.
Posted: Mon, 25th Jan 2010, 8:07pm

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Rockfilmers wrote:

What they fail to understand is that the dolphins suck.
You obviously don't follow the game because, they have improved greatly in the past two years. Last year they were division champs ending the regular season 11-5. They just couldn't pull it together at the end of this year, which stopped them from making it into the playoffs.

Glad the Jets lost yesterday. As for the other game, all I have to say is, wow! That's what I was hoping for all along, a great game, which it was. Favre got knocked around so much. Poor guy. At least he didn't give up on his team and sit out the rest of the game. Sorry to the Vikings fans but I think the Saints deserved the win. Here is why. For all the years I've been into (American) football the Saints have been a losing team. I never saw them make it into the playoffs or the Superbowl. So I was happy to see them make it. Maybe they did and I just wasn't paying attention, I don't know.

I'm sure Favre will be back next year. He needs that one last game to be the biggest game of the year. Now we wait for the Superbowl, where I hope Brees and the Saints stomp all over Manning and the Colts. smile
Posted: Mon, 25th Jan 2010, 8:52pm

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The Saints have never been to the Superbowl! Until now...

The only reason that they one is (bear with me) that Favre messed the Vikings up with only 19 seconds to go. They were even in field goal range! Until Favre threw the ball into the hands of the Saints. 19 seconds left is plenty of time if you have all of your timeouts. (they did, didn't they?)

*Sigh* At least it will be an interesting showdown. unsure
Posted: Mon, 25th Jan 2010, 9:52pm

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Ahem, it's won, not one.

Well, actually, they were hardly in field goal range. They were, until they had 12 men in the huddle, which put them in a tight situation. They could attempt to kick from the fifty something, which is quite difficult, or they could press for a few more yards. Childress called a passing play, Favre rolled out, made a bad pass, and the game went into overtime.

As soon as over time begins it's a fresh start. Whatever happened prior to then (besides injuries) had no impact on over time. The Saints won the coin toss, and the defense failed to stop them. Hell, Tyrell Johnson (Viking's safety) even had the ball in his hands, but lost control of the ball. The Saints scored a field goal, and it was over. As I've tried to tell people, it wasn't Favre's fault that they lost. Sure, it was his fault that they didn't win in the fourth quarter, and it was his fault they went into over time, but he was not responsible for the loss.

But I'll stop there, as this subject is actually rather emotional for me.
Posted: Mon, 25th Jan 2010, 10:02pm

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Hehe, I completely don't care about sports - no matter if soccer, football, hockey or tennis or whatever else there is. Wouldn't watch a minute of that on TV.

But Tarn's concept... Now THAT sounds fun. cool
Posted: Mon, 25th Jan 2010, 11:06pm

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ben3308 wrote:

The Superbowl will be Peyton Manning's Indianapolis Colts vs. Brew Brees' New Orleans Saints.
HaHa!
Posted: Tue, 26th Jan 2010, 2:26am

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Coin tosses for OT are bull. They should do something that requires some kind of skill. Even a best of 3 rock/paper/scissors would be more fair. A coin toss in OT gives one team a huge advantage.
Posted: Tue, 26th Jan 2010, 2:33am

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It's way too easy for a good team to win the toss, and then get into field goal range. At least make them drive the entire length of the field and score a touchdown, rather than just a field goal. Better yet, they should use the college OT system. That way, each team is guaranteed a possession.
Posted: Tue, 26th Jan 2010, 7:23am

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jawajohnny wrote:

At least make them drive the entire length of the field and score a touchdown, rather than just a field goal.
Do you realize how much longer the game would be if they did it this way? OT is sudden death for a reason: games are already like three hours long. If the game is tied anyway, a coin toss is a perfect way to decide who has possession. It keeps the OT short, and doesn't give either team any advantage because it's pure chance.

I don't even watch football and I understand why they do it like that.
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No, I understand his point. Yeah, time is a matter of course, but even under that rationale by deciding with a cointoss and potential field goal you're not really making it overtime, you're making it a separate outing of 'here, let's give this team possession so they can kick it and win'; essentially disregarding the merits of the entire game that was just played for 3 or so hours between both teams. Which I guess could be said for any sport with overtime, but still. The whole idea of two teams with a single victor based on the conditions of the game and their separate strengths and strategies is kind of diminished when it's essentially coming down to semantics and timeliness to find the victor.

I get the point. Requiring a downfield drive makes much more sense from a sportsmanship-stance.
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I understand the sportsmanship angle, but the whole point of any overtime is to say "Okay, we've gone for this long and no one's winning, let's get this over with already." If they were going to require the team to score a touchdown in overtime to win, they may as well just extend the game by another 30 minutes. But even then, what happens if neither team scores a touchdown in the extra time? Do they just keep pushing it out, and play until everyone's too exhausted to carry on?

Sportsmanship is one thing, but the game has been played like this for 90 years. They do it this way for a reason, and it isn't only for time. If overtime required a touchdown to win, the game could theoretically continue endlessly. Doing a coin-toss and having the winner decided by a field goal is perfect. It may not be the best way to show who is the absolute best team, but it ends the game in a reasonable and tidy manner. And anyway, you're not guaranteed to win if you win the toss. You could have a terrible kicker...
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Any game that requires 'overtime', and introduces random new gameplay elements such as coin tosses in order to finish things off, is inherenetly badly designed, if you ask me. smile
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Also the fact that they have a countdown timer for each quarter that stops when no one is playing, which is like 75% of the time. If they didn't have to take breaks every thirty seconds, games would be over in no time. smile

Football is stupid, I agree. This is why I don't watch it.
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Tarn wrote:

Any game that requires 'overtime', and introduces random new gameplay elements such as coin tosses in order to finish things off, is inherenetly badly designed, if you ask me. smile
Any game that allows you to beat the crap out of yourself and everyone else is the best game in the world and can be forgiven for any other faults if you ask me. wink
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Terminal Velocity wrote:

Tarn wrote:

Any game that requires 'overtime', and introduces random new gameplay elements such as coin tosses in order to finish things off, is inherenetly badly designed, if you ask me. smile
Any game that allows you to beat the crap out of yourself and everyone else is the best game in the world and can be forgiven for any other faults if you ask me. wink
You mean Rugby?

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I play that game all the time. It's called "I'm a badass."
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Thrawn wrote:

Ahem, it's won, not one.
Hehe. Thanks.

In Sports Illustrated, over 50% of all sports fans say that the method of overtime in the NFL is the worst over all sports.
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Aculag wrote:

Also the fact that they have a countdown timer for each quarter that stops when no one is playing, which is like 75% of the time. If they didn't have to take breaks every thirty seconds, games would be over in no time. smile
Don't forget the ridiculous 'Two Minute Warning' - an idea that came about before they could reliably synchronize clocks between officiating crew members and the scoreboard. Nowadays, it makes no sense to stop the game just to alert that there are 2 minutes left. It's only kept alive by the extra advertising dollars of taking an additional commercial break.
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Football is stupid, I agree. This is why I don't watch it.
Get out of America. Now, please.
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Do you have the same thing in America, that if you go into a bar/taxi/barbers, the first question they always ask is football-related, and if you inform them that you don't have any interest in football, there's an awkward silence for the rest of the time?

I don't mind people loving football to an unhealthy level. What I do mind is when they assume that everyone loves football.
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I think sports, like movies, are or at least should be likened to even a small extent by everybody.

Am I a football fanatic? Absolutely not. Did I even watch it regularly before I got to college? No, never. But I accept where I live, that it's Football, TX, USA. And in doing so really enjoy the ecstacy, hysteria, and communal feeling that sports bring to the area.

It may be cliche, but this is true for most of the United States. Are there people that care an unhealthy amount? No doubt. Is there that awkward silence when someone doesn't know or care one bit? You bet. But I think on both ends it always helps to level closer to a status quo. There's no reason to poo-poo on something fun, after all.

I used to be the person that hated when people talked about the Cowboys every year and how, once again, they were gonna regain their glory and go back to the Superbowl. I didn't give a rats ass. Football was boring, and when it came on in the family on Sundays I just wished I was out seeing a movie. I liked playing football, sure, but watching it- or any sport for that matter- just seemed like a mundane waste of time to me. I just disliked it all.

Then a couple of years ago I gave it up. Why? Because, well, disliking or going out of your way to not find interest in something isn't just tiring, it's depriving.

This year I watched nearly every Dallas Cowboys game (my hometown team and also perhaps the most well-known football team ever, Tarn wink) and you know what? I had a hell of a good time. I talked stats with people, I had a wealth of knowledge for conversation, and I just all-around found a lot of joy and excitement in caring about the game. Sure, football may look silly and stupid. It may appear a waste of time. But the sport, like all else, requires some vested care in order to really make sense.

Just like people who say 'Oh, I don't like music'. It's like, I dunno, come on. I have very, very little personal interest in tennis or Euro football/soccer- but I accept that it's a large part of the world and that there's a lot of fun to be had in playing and watching and talking about the sports with certain people- and that's not really a bad thing at all, now, is it?
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Who cares, though? I don't care about footbal, I think it's stupid, but I have no problem talking about it, or watching it with people. I don't like baseball either. Or basketball. I like tennis and golf, and other sports that don't require being drunk and patriotic. Guess I should just "git out of 'merica durnit!!! Football!!!"
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Then a couple of years ago I gave it up. Why? Because, well, disliking or going out of your way to not find interest in something isn't just tiring, it's depriving.
Congratulations, you have been successfully homogenised! smile

The number of people that like something is fairly irrelevant to me. I find trainspotting hugely boring as well and wouldn't want to be stuck in a room with a bunch of trainspotters. I don't mind them doing it, of course, but it stops there. Same goes for football supporters. Just because football is MASSIVE and trainspotters are few and far between doesn't make any difference.

I don't choose my interests based on how popular they are to other people, I suppose is my point.

Which isn't to say that's what you did - it could be that you simply discovered that you actually like football and simply hadn't realised up to that point. Which is fair enough.
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I guess you perfectly fit my point then, Aculag. There's no reason to admonish those that like something you don't, you know. Like I said, I don't have the most interest in football ever- but I still have the openness to enjoy it from time to time and talk about it.

If you do too, cool. If not, well, whatever.

To both you and Tarn, though: Individualism is all well and good, but I do think there's a reasonable degree of care everyone should have in socially 'big' things. That's what gives people a sense of 'community' in my eyes. Like the elections for example. I feel like if they make a difference to some degree in where you live, you should try at least a little bit to know about them. Football is no different, really. It's not conforming per se; it's maintaining a comfortable amount of communal relevance, to me. I dunno, maybe that's me asking too much.

I tend to think it's somewhat of a rebellious nature to think that your interests are entirely your own or decided on your own as well. Surely some of the things you do and know and enjoy are a product of others doing it as well, Tarn. Yeah, I went into filmmaking on my own- but a large reason I keep making shorts and haven't gone into something else is because of my vested care in this very community and the fact that I found a lot of other people who were interested in it as well.

Which isn't the same entirely; I'm just saying that it wasn't a matter of 'Oh hey, I love filmmaking and wanna do it for the rest of my life- lucky me that there's the website with other people!'- it was more of 'Hey, filmmaking might be fun- oh look a lotta people do it on this website too, there's probably a lotta resources and discussion here, maybe I should stick around...'.

6 years later here we are. smile

Football isn't just an ignorant southern hillbilly drunken sport, either, Aculag. That's NASCAR you're stereotyping with the quote. wink

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Your point about community is a good one, but there are layers to community and community is found everywhere. It's all about finding your particular tribe: my one has nothing to do with football or mass popularity events like X Factor. Which isn't a judgement on them: it's just not my bag.

But that's not to say I don't have investment in community: it's just a community that exists in a different form.
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True, which is somewhat of my amended point about FXHome in my post above.
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I guess you missed the part where I said I don't mind watching, or talking about sports, even though I don't like them. Some of the best times I've had in the last few years have been at sporting events. I don't get into it, or paint my face, or sing fight songs, because I don't care about that stuff. You can have a sense of community by just attending the event, you don't have to follow teams or stats, or paint your face, or put bumper stickers on your car. I don't have to be a fan of football or basketball to have a good time watching them with my friends.

I don't do that stuff for sports, because I don't care about them, and I don't have to. I get into music, and I follow music, and talk about it, and read about it, and go out to concerts, and band practice. But I don't expect you to like these things just because I hold them in high regard. You like what you want and I'll like what I want, and who cares? Why does it matter?

Remember, you told me to git out of 'merica. wink
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Pooky wrote:

Terminal Velocity wrote:

Tarn wrote:

Any game that requires 'overtime', and introduces random new gameplay elements such as coin tosses in order to finish things off, is inherenetly badly designed, if you ask me. smile
Any game that allows you to beat the crap out of yourself and everyone else is the best game in the world and can be forgiven for any other faults if you ask me. wink
You mean Rugby?
Never played it. Long as I get to beat on people. Personally what I like about football is the "hitting people" aspect. I'm not fanatically American (well, I guess I am, but on different subjects), or anything like that. I don't know about the pro stuff. All I know is: playing football has changed my life for the better more than any other experience I've had. It built me physically and mentally, in a way that baseball, swimming, wrestling, boxing, and karate never did when I played them.
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I think in the beginning of the season people would have liked to point out an obvious Saints/Colts Superbowl matchup when both teams were playing undefeated seasons, but would rather not because this usually doesn't happen. Usually some underdog comes up and surprises everyone. But not this time. This game is literally the two best teams in the NFL playing each other.

Why Saints fans should be scared: The Colts ALWAYS come back- even from 18 points down- which is unheard of. Also, hey don't let many points on the board. What exactly was happening in the NFC Championship? They were playing quite sloppily- you just can't do this with the Colts; they will eat you alive.

Why Colts fans should be scared: Reggie freaking Bush. Good God- someone stop this man! Just the Saints offense in general play some insanely risky plays, and actually complete them. The Saints make crazy comebacks as well, while letting plenty of points on the board at the same time.

So I really do hope for a ridiculously high scoring Superbowl next week. Like a 45 to 45 tie that goes into overtime.

Anyway,
Go Colts! Please win this one so you can justify not going undefeated (even though an obsession with winning usually screws teams over- yes Bill Belichick, I'm looking at YOU, ya' dumbass).

Atom wrote:

Football isn't just an ignorant southern hillbilly drunken sport, either, Aculag. That's NASCAR you're stereotyping with the quote. wink
Yes. Yes. Exactly. There is a stupid amount of strategy to football- more than most games, IMO.
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You can't also forget Saints WR Marques Colston, who may end up being MVP. Guy has sticky fingers - even if the ball just barely grazes his finger tips, he's able to get a hold of it and keep possession.

I'm not huge into sports games, but one cool thing about Madden 2010 is that it perfectly factors in all statistics, weekly, to the game from teams in the NFL. As in, updates to each player in the NFL are added after almost every game. If Reggie Bush gets injured in real life and was slower in a string of games, he'll be slower in Madden. Likewise, if he has more TD run-ins, his speed/agility/TD avg. increases. So if I set a computer-computer match between different teams then, statistically, it will work out who, stats-wise, should win.

Awesome because anytime I play with friends, I just update my roster for the Saints and statistically it puts Reggie Bush and Marques Colston at the top of the charts for the NFL, save some exceptions who are just that good independent of their team, like Adrian Peterson. biggrin
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Fill wrote:

(even though an obsession with winning usually screws teams over- yes Bill Belichick, I'm looking at YOU, ya' dumbass).
I don't understand... if he were obsessed with winning (which is debatable), why would that make him a dumbass? Isn't it good to have a coach who is obsessed with winning? smile

Heh, Madden does seem to be getting more realistic. Try playing as the Patriots, and run the ball with Laurence Maroney. I guarantee you'll fumble at least twice per game.
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jawajohnny wrote:

Fill wrote:

(even though an obsession with winning usually screws teams over- yes Bill Belichick, I'm looking at YOU, ya' dumbass).
I don't understand... if he were obsessed with winning (which is debatable), why would that make him a dumbass? Isn't it good to have a coach who is obsessed with winning? smile
No. Not if you botch a 4 and 2 play and lose to the Colts. Or play all of your starters in the last week of the regular season and injure your best receiver. razz
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I agree with the 4th and 2 call. Yes, it shows not enough faith in the defense, but honestly - Bellicheck is a smart coach. 4th and 2 isn't the craziest thing ever, and if you'll remember, when they went back and looked at the tape (after the game, all the challenge flags had been thrown) they did cross the line far enough to move the chains. You can chalk that up to ref error, in that case. And yeah, Bellicheck is in some ways heartless because he's obsessed with winning, pretty much to a fault. But strategically, he's got his game down. He knows what will work on a play-by-play basis, and sometimes that's all you need.

Just saying, though, the 4th and 2 was a good call. It doesn't matter if you're on the opponent's 21 or the 43 line after a punt, if you give Peyton Manning the ball it's hard for him not to convert in the end. Therein, going for it on the 4th and 2 was the best option.

Now, I don't like Bill Bellicheck at all, and I think there's something really, really wrong with him as a person deep down. I don't feel he shares the same amount of heart or values that coaches should have - Tom Landry being the prime blueprint for what I think a 'coach' in any sport should be. I do, however, respect Bellicheck for his prowess as a winner. He knows how to get his team to win, even if it does mean taping games, overplaying fullbacks and trading Drew Bledsoe unfairly to get Tom Brady. biggrin
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Excellent point Ben. I obviously agree with the 4th and 2 call. Here in New England, we have a saying: "In Bill we trust". We don't ever question anything Belichick does. He does everything for a reason... always has some sort of plan we don't know about. Later, we're all like, "oh, he's a genius." He made the right call on 4th and 2, because he knew his defense wouldn't be able to stop Manning. And whether or not it was the right choice, it sure did look like they actually got the first down. smile

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Now, I don't like Bill Bellicheck at all, and I think there's something really, really wrong with him as a person deep down. I don't feel he shares the same amount of heart or values that coaches should have
I'm sure you're basing this off what you've seen of him in postgame interviews and such. But the perception most people have of him simply isn't true. The persona he has during those famously stoic interviews is absolutely nothing like he is in real life, the locker room, practice, etc. He puts on a facade for the (national) cameras. I think he enjoys toying with the media, saying as little as possible, because he doesn't want to even have to talk to them. I think it's interesting a lot of the players say he's one of the funniest people they've ever met. So by the way he acts in the locker room, and in the local media, I don't see anything "wrong" with him as a person. In fact I think he's a nice guy. He certainly has a lot of heart... football is all the guy ever does. smile

One last thing about the tapes. All teams tape games from different angles throughout the stadium. Belichick simply had a camera guy in the wrong spot, pointing at a questionable spot. That's essentially what it comes down to. It's not like they were using the footage to somehow cheat during a game. It would be impossible, even if that's exactly what they were trying to do. Sorry, this ones a touchy subject. smile
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Let's just say he's no Tom Landry. wink
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Do you have the same thing in America, that if you go into a bar/taxi/barbers, the first question they always ask is football-related, and if you inform them that you don't have any interest in football, there's an awkward silence for the rest of the time?

I don't mind people loving football to an unhealthy level. What I do mind is when they assume that everyone loves football.
I've been living in Cardiff for a few months, all of about 100 yards from the Millennium Stadium, and given how passionate people round here get about their sport (as you might expect this particularly applies to the rugby - see also "American Football for real men" wink) it's surprisingly easy to get caught up and start to really get into it all. Must depend a lot on the kind of company/culture your in I guess because in my experience almost everyone's more than happy to sound off about the football or rugby whether they've got a clue or not - no awkward silences here! Maybe all the bartenders/cabbies/barbers near you are faking it
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Heh, funny you should say that. The last time I got my hair cut, the barber did the usual "So, did you watch the match yesterday/What team do you support?/etc" spiel. I then said "Oh, I don't really watch football. Don't know anything about it." And he replied with "Oh, really? No, me neither."

Bizarre, and amusing.
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I think barbers must just be really bored. Finding something mundane to talk about with the customer is probably much better than just standing in silence with their hair in your hands.
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What would be good is if you told them stories about really unpleasant things you like to do with your hair, while they're cutting it. That'd liven up the proceedings.
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"Also, I don't believe in washing. These locks have been detergent free for five long ones!"
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SAINTS everybody!
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Yup Yup, and I won in my work squares pool! $$$$$$$$$
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I don't believe in miracles, but I sure as hell believe in SAINTS!

A fantastic, filled-with-heart, tour-de-force game. If it couldn't be the Cowboys, it had to be the Saints. Great game, great teams. Great match-up. Great winners. I love it. One of the best, most exciting Superbowls in a long time.
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This was the first time I actually sat down and watched an entire Superbowl, and I learned two things:

1. Canadian rebroadcasts have some of the most repetitive, annoying and awful ads ever conceived.

2. It's actually a lot of fun!
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SAINTS baby! Awesome matchup. Amazing game. OH YEAH!
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I was voting for the Colts..

Go Saints!
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So who won?
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Looks like Manning is mortal after all. razz
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Aculag wrote:

So who won?
Not the Vikings.

/Yeah, still pissed about it.
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Coureur de Bois wrote:

Aculag wrote:

So who won?
Not the Vikings.
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Shut your trap..


smile
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I fail to see how something can be considered a good game when play is stopped every seven seconds or so in order to get the opinion of a bunch of pundits or whatever. American football certainly isn't my game but at least The Who were on form!
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A game of chess can be considered a good game and it isn't constant action or anything.
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A good game of chess can be damned rousing! Pip pip! Check out a chess tournament sometime.
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Anyone else remember this from John Cleese's letter to America a few years back? (which wasn't actually written by Cleese)

John Cleese wrote:

6. You should stop playing American football. There is only one kind of football. What you refer to as American football is not a very good game. The 2.15% of you who are aware that there is a world outside your borders may have noticed that no one else plays American football. You will no longer be allowed to play it, and should instead play proper football. Initially, it would be best if you played with the girls. It is a difficult game. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which is similar to American "football", but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like nancies). We are hoping to get together at least a US Rugby sevens side by 2005. You should stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the 'World Series' for a game which is not played outside of America. Since only 2.15% of you are aware that there is a world beyond your borders,your error is understandable. Instead of baseball, you will be allowed to play a girls' game called rounders, which is baseball without fancy team strip, oversized gloves, collector cards or hotdogs.
I'm not really a football guy, but I went to a Super Bowl party today, and watched the game. I went in not really expecting to enjoy it, but it was far, far more boring than I expected. Ridiculing the idiocies of the game, and especially the commentators, was kinda fun though. And that one interception was pretty good.

Also, due to the abundance of beer commercials during the game, I feel the need to include one further point from the aforementioned letter.

John Cleese wrote:

12. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all, it is lager. From November 1st only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer,and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. The substances formerly known as American Beer will henceforth be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine,with the exception of the product of the American Budweiser company whose product will be referred to as Weak Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine. This will allow true Budweiser (as manufactured for the last 1000 years in Pilsen,Czech Republic) to be sold without risk of confusion.
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I meant to mention this earlier but it seemed totally eclisped for-the-better by the Saints win, but:

The Who were awful!

Cringingly off-form and embarassingly-too-enthusiastic without really 'bringing it' with their music. Even for such good, iconic songs and such a legendary band- the halftime show just entirely missed the mark.

It was hard to watch. In the other room our roommates had flipped to Animal Planet, which played a 'Kitty Halftime Show' during the Superbowl, filled with dressed-up kittens pawing around a miniature football field.

That was better than The Who. And that's sad. (But also sort of adorable, kitten-wise.)
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I found this link to rewatch every superbowl commercial. Defiantly a bookmark for me.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-super-bowl-commercials\
Also, did anyone say something about the Prince of Persia. It was rather satifing to say "Oh yea, I talked with the guy who's in charge of the visual effects"....
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Atom wrote:

I meant to mention this earlier but it seemed totally eclisped for-the-better by the Saints win, but:

The Who were awful!

Cringingly off-form and embarassingly-too-enthusiastic without really 'bringing it' with their music. Even for such good, iconic songs and such a legendary band- the halftime show just entirely missed the mark.

It was hard to watch. In the other room our roommates had flipped to Animal Planet, which played a 'Kitty Halftime Show' during the Superbowl, filled with dressed-up kittens pawing around a miniature football field.

That was better than The Who. And that's sad. (But also sort of adorable, kitten-wise.)
1. They're 65.
2. Come on, you can't admit that the stage and lighting weren't balls-to-the-walls insane!
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I don't know about anyone else, but I'm pretty broken up about Chicago's loss in the other superbowl yesterday. Upset of the decade, as far as I'm concerned.
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Pooky wrote:


1. They're 65.
2. Come on, you can't admit that the stage and lighting weren't balls-to-the-walls insane!
Age is hardly an excuse. The Rolling Stones were excellent (in my opinion) and they're way up there. But yes, the lighting rocked. The performance, however, was less than satisfactory.
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Not that most of the ads weren't pretty good, but I thought this was probably the best thing to come out of the Superbowl besides the Saints win.

Man's Last Stand. Sounds like something I would label a sig or movie. Loved it.
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Nah, the dog collar commercial was the best.

I too was unimpressed by The Who. I mean, Pete didn't even smash his guitar. What's up with that?
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Are you kidding me Atom, this was easily the best of the commercials..
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Axeman wrote:

I too was unimpressed by The Who. I mean, Pete didn't even smash his guitar. What's up with that?

Ps. That Megan Fox commercial is pretty funny.
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Also, I think this may well be one of the best candid photos ever taken.

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A game of chess can be considered a good game and it isn't constant action or anything.
And I think that if chess was televised with quite so much pomp and ceremony surrounding it then I'd be saying exactly the same about that biggrin . To be honest it was the first time I've ever actually paid any attention to American football (I've seen it when it's been on late night channel 5 but wasn't paying it enough mind be considered 'watching' it) and the only reason I'm kicking up a bit of a fuss is because I was really disappointed. I really wanted to find it exciting and engaging but it just wasn't and I think that's the big letdown for me. Ah well, on with the Six Nations this weekend!
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Some sports aren't for everyone. I'm sure there are those who found the superbowl disappointing. But I'm sure millions loved it. Take me. I don't care for the Olympics. But do other people? Heck yea! I do find it rather disturbing you didn't find the superbowl interesting though...wink
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It's not that I didn't find it interesting, I think anyone would be hard pushed not be be impressed by the spectacle of it all, it's just that the actual sport side of it seemed a little bit lacking for my taste. With all the glitz and sponsorship and constant pauses in the game it felt very much like I was watching an advert for the Superbowl rather than the event itself. Not a bad excuse to get together with a few mates and work through a crate or two of beers though in any case!
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The Superbowl, Stanley Cup, World Cup and Olympics are all this year, anyway, so you've got your pick of which sport to watch and enjoy wink
Posted: Wed, 10th Feb 2010, 4:13am

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Don't rain on our football parade, Rawree.

We never talk about how incredibly low-scoring, boring, and just generally pussy 'soccer' football is, after all. wink
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Good, pithy summation of soccer there, Atom. wink
I respect soccer as a sport, but I really think it's boring to watch and play. I've done football, wrestling, karate, boxing, baseball, dodgeball, and swimming, and I gotta say that football is my number 1. All the adrenaline just sends me over the top.
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Atom wrote:

Don't rain on our football parade, Rawree.

We never talk about how incredibly low-scoring, boring, and just generally pussy 'soccer' football is, after all. wink
Haha, have a go at football all you like, I find it just as boring and pussy as you probably do wink . Rugby on the other hand...
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Terminal Velocity wrote:

I've done football, wrestling, karate, boxing, baseball, dodgeball...
They have a dodgeball league? surprised
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Posted: Wed, 10th Feb 2010, 9:32pm

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It's in Ben's basement razz
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Storm Grenade wrote:

Terminal Velocity wrote:

I've done football, wrestling, karate, boxing, baseball, dodgeball...
They have a dodgeball league? surprised
Sort of like a private league... razz
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God I wish where we lived had a basement.
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Boom.
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Just remember the five Ds of Dodgeball:
-Dodge
-Duck
-Dip
-Dive
and...
-Dodge.