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Posted: Wed, 27th Jan 2010, 6:31pm

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Boom. Yep. Neato.
Posted: Wed, 27th Jan 2010, 7:38pm

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Just saw it on TV. I say on the Avatar scale of seemingly impossibly financially outdoing yourself, this gets a full "It's gonna take Titanic" score. Watch out iPod: Everyone who can afford this little baby is gonna buy one.

Jobs really is the nerd god.
Posted: Wed, 27th Jan 2010, 8:00pm

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Watch out iPod: Everyone who can afford this little baby is gonna buy one..
Really? Even as a pretty big fan of Apple, I honestly can never see myself owning this device.

This kind of seems "Macbook Air" to me - a lot of hype, but not much substance beyond the initial "wow" factor. The price, at least, is more sobering than the MB Air, but it's still hard to see the public at large embracing this.

As it is not a standalone device (you still need to sync this with another computer), this won't be the new 'big seller' during the Christmas or Back-to-school periods, when lots of Apple devices are sold. Most people simply don't have the need for an extra computer to go everywhere they do: an iPod Touch or iPhone already satisfies/exceeds the power 90% of people need "on the go", and is much more portable.
Posted: Wed, 27th Jan 2010, 8:21pm

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Perhaps, but I still have a picture in my head of 80% of the people on the bus/train going to work in the morning reading the papers, a book, watching their favorite film or TV shows they missed last night on this thing. Doing it on an iPhone/iPod Touch is to much bother with the little screen. MacBookAir? As expensive as a really good laptop, but with no bang for your money other than bragging rights. This might just fit right into the hole that is: "That 90 minutes a day were I'm not pacified/where I'm being forced to be alone with my thoughts". People have become so dependent on constant sensory input that iThink they will go to great lengths to be assured just that at all times (think of all the places this thing can go). The iPad fills a lot of commuter criteria that laptops do not. If only it has an impressive battery life I'm sure we have a winner.

This is all part of my theory that one day everyone will have one of these following them around:



But with a similar way of being of Data in Star Trek TNG. Think of how little thinking you will have to do. Not only do you have the internet whispering in your ear constantly, but you have AI that can solve anything that has a set answer faster than any human. Like in i, Robot. The human race is going to get really stupid one day. I hope our future is that of Star Trek, but I think it's closer to that of Wall-E: stupid and fat.

Anyway enough predictions of doom and back on topic: this could very well hit a chord.

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Posted: Wed, 27th Jan 2010, 8:23pm

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What I'm wondering is where you're supposed to use this?

Home: You've got your proper computer there.
School: A 500$ laptop is more useful because it multitasks.
Public transit: You can already listen to music and watch videos on your iPod, plus you can have books.

That means this is only actually useful if you have no iPod and no laptop... right?

Not that I wouldn't still want one, though.
Posted: Wed, 27th Jan 2010, 8:35pm

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Wow, I really thought people were going to love this more. I think we'll know whether or not people "need to have one" when we see the first promo. As you and rogolo have pointed out, it might be tough sell to tell people they "need one".

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Posted: Wed, 27th Jan 2010, 8:41pm

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I find the iPad interesting, although I can't say I'm very interested in buying one. As has been mentioned previously in this topic, I just don't see me using it. I guess if it did run a fully-fledged version of OS X and I could connect a mouse and keyboard to it which meant I could edit footage on Final Cut on it I would be very interested. But then, I've already got my laptop, which does that for me.

Although if anyone has a spare one just lying around I wouldn't mind having it wink

The geek- and coolness-factor is very high, but the usability - not so much for me. smile Also, it's now up on Apple's website - check it out for a small video as well as some pics!
Posted: Wed, 27th Jan 2010, 8:57pm

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Staff Only wrote:

Wow, I really thought people were going to love this more. I think we'll know whether or not people "need to have one" when we see the first promo. As you and rogolo have pointed out, it might be tough sell to tell people the "need one".
"Need" is the right word. This isn't satisfying a need, like the iPod or the iPhone did. It's a giant iPod. Who has ever asked for a giant iPod? razz
Posted: Wed, 27th Jan 2010, 9:08pm

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If this could be used as a touch-screen hardware device to run an app that could turn it into a color corrector or audio mixer device in conjunction with your laptop/tower, the price tag may be worth it for the hobbyist/independent filmmaker.

It may have a use to upload shots remotely to a client as well, but beyond that, I'm not intersted in this.
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I would have preferred a different name. It sounds to much like iPod but not nearly as cool.
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If this could be used as a touch-screen hardware device to run an app that could turn it into a color corrector or audio mixer device in conjunction with your laptop/tower, the price tag may be worth it for the hobbyist/independent filmmaker.
I can totally see this being a useful application for this kind of computer.

I can also imagine that it will be really useful for musicians or DJs - for example, a very popular device used to perform/mix/remix live dance music is the JazzMutant Lemur - essentially a touchscreen interface for easy control of programs like Ableton Live... I can easily see the iPad replacing this kind of MIDI controller, especially as it's less than half the price of a Lemur, and it does other stuff.

Cheers,
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Hopefully by the second gen of this thing they figure out how to put Flash into it, because seriously what is the point when you still can't view Flash content? It is just a giant iPod touch, and the only benefit over the current iPod line is the bigger screen.

I was prepped to hear about something revolutionary, but man... This thing is kinda dumb. If it were more like a full-featured laptop, I'd be excited, but this is basically just a new iPod. Pretty disappointing, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some very cool apps come out for it in a while. Just pretty annoyed about the fact that "the best way to experience the web, hands down" still doesn't include Flash content at all.
Posted: Wed, 27th Jan 2010, 10:23pm

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Sounds like something a woman would use to during her period.
Posted: Thu, 28th Jan 2010, 12:41am

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Movie Kid 4 wrote:

Sounds like something a woman would use to during her period.
Funny you should say that...

...and that was 5 years ago!
Posted: Thu, 28th Jan 2010, 2:21am

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Ha, I thought the same thing but kept my mouth shut lol

To me, I can't see carrying this around anywhere. I mean, I put my ipod in my pocket, but what are you supposed to do with this thing? I would like to see them bring the price tag down to from $500. That seems a little high. What can this do that the iphone can't?
Posted: Thu, 28th Jan 2010, 2:39am

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The intro video is almost embarrassing. It's like a 14-year-old kid who's trying to hype up his personal website without any actual content, so he's just repeating the same info in different excited phrases.

I can't even count how many times the guy in this says 'And you can just TOUCH IT!'. Come on, man. It's a ducking touchscreen. I've seen touchscreens since before I was born, don't sell me on being able to press 'Send Email' on a screen. That means nothing to anyone. Not anymore.

I was somewhat excited by this as an eReader ala Kindle-style (A truly awesome bit of hardware, actually. My mom has one and it's simply perfect for reading.)- but even the size is just embarrassing. What dimensions are those? A nearly 4:3 screen?
Posted: Thu, 28th Jan 2010, 2:50am

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Atom wrote:

I've seen touchscreens since before I was born...
Your mother must have quite a uterus. wink

The product demo video is really over hyping it, but only after watching it did I really recognize the value of the thing. It basically is an iPod/Kindle "Plus". I'll consider one in the future, once it has some more interesting apps, but for now, my iPhone does practically the exact same stuff, and I can take it wherever I want.
Posted: Thu, 28th Jan 2010, 2:59am

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Hrm... I think the demo vid (whilst pretty hyperbolic and unintentionally amusing) has pretty much sold me on the idea of a tablet in general - there are some things on there that do look kinda useful. Yes, it's basically a massive iPhone... but that's never stopped people from taking ordinary tech and making it bigger!

It's cheaper than buying a full on laptop, it'll no doubt have some cool apps, and its as portable as a laptop with the benefit of a touchscreen.

But that's not to say that the iPad is definitely the best tablet out there - I have no idea what other tablets are available - but in general, it does seem like there might be some cool uses.
Posted: Thu, 28th Jan 2010, 3:53am

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I'm not sure I'd like to spend more money for another data plan for the iPad.
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Very cool. Picard always had one of these in his ready room. I really want an app that makes it talk like the Enterprise computer. smile

This is perfect for educational use, as the iBooks thing would hopefully replace textbooks and such. Of course it would also be great for casual use... just pick the iPad up from your living room table and open up the morning paper, read a little bit of your new book, and check your e-mail... all in the same comfortable spot on your sofa. Beats the heck out of a clunky desktop or laptop, cheap netbook, and even the small iPhone and iPod Touch for doing that sort of stuff.
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I don't see what all the hype is about. They've talked about this tablet for over two years now, and for what? A giant iPod Touch? Give me a break. This isn't revolutionary. They just blew the iPod up and gave it a *cool* name- iPad. Ha. Ha. No.

Apple isn't about innovation all that much. They're just good at marketing. Period. But my prediction is that this is not going to catch on. I'm not buying one. No use for it.

I'm sorry? "A magical and revolutionary device"? How is it that everything Jobs unveils is revolutionary? Tablets have been around for years. And this isn't anything new. It's just got an apple on the back.
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Hopefully it will be revolutionary. Something like this could completely replace printed newspapers, magazines, and school textbooks. Much more eco-friendly, and much less clutter around your house. All this stuff at your fingertips without needing the power of a traditional desktop, laptop, etc. Yeah, it's just a big iPhone/iPod Touch... but that allows for a ton of possibilities.

Maybe, it's not a totally new idea, but it looks like Apple has finally designed and marketed the first "good" one. Maybe I'm just excited that something I've seen in sci-fi movies has actually come to fruition, but I'd say it's a game changer.
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I think the thing that will be momentus and come from this creation is Apple's Silicon.
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Which is a licensed chip from someone else with an Apple logo on it. smile

Still, looks like a decent product which I'm sure will be an amazing product by version 2 (just like the iPhone itself). It was insanely over-hyped by the Apple communities but I still think its a useful and well priced device.

Will be interesting to see how the technology filters in to the next iPhone. It's another nail in the coffin of Android (although Google are killing that platform themselves these days) and maybe the beginning of the end for Mac OS X as we know it.

I'm not even going to bother talking about Zune...

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Posted: Thu, 28th Jan 2010, 9:16am

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A nifty bit of design, but I'm not particularly interested myself. The combination of my home computer and my iPhone already fulfills everything I need - the iPad seems to be a combination of both of them, but without the power of my PC or the size/convenience of my iPhone.

Looking forward to version 2, though!
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Schwar, I didn't mean that it will be momentus because they made it just that despite all the negativity, no one is doubting the power and speed this chip is giving the iPad. It seems very...misused lol.
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I don't feel the iPad is aimed at me, already owning an iPhone and a Laptop. Though maybe the iPad will replace other things in my life - like books or newspapers and turn the internet into a more easily portable gateway for information.

I can also see this being useful at work for monitoring the shots through our system - 'Shotgun'. If you could plug it in to a desktop and use it as a tablet like a cintiq I'd be sold.

If iPhone OS 4.0 brings with it multi-tasking that filters through to the iPad I would warm to it slightly. Though currently I am struggling to see how I would use it. I find it silly to say that the iPad is a nail in the coffin of mac computers - there's a whole load more to proceedings than surfing the internet (without flash). And I don't feel Android is at risk from the iPad until the iPhone OS starts to do some things Android has been for a while.

-Matt
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Mm yeah, if it worked as an actual graphics tablet that'd make it more interesting to me.

As you say, though I don't think it's really aimed at us. It falls in an awkward in-between place - if you already have a home PC and a good smartphone, the iPad seems a little superfluous: too restricted to be used as a computer and too large to be used as a nifty portable device. This is even more the case if your home PC happens to be a laptop.

It feels like a great device with design aimed at techies and gadget fiends, yet with functionality aimed at Mundanes.

Maybe if I didn't have an iPhone I'd find it more interesting?
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Hybrid - Android is already at risk, from Google, and sales are not impressive.

Just because Android has a feature doesn't mean that Apple will copy it if it doesn't perform in an understandable manner. Multitasking could make the battery of the iPad last for a much shorter time. It could also compromise the performance of all the running apps - performance is limited anyway, this could be a massive problem and area of user confusion.

Apple's high-end software has been stalled for sometime - the investment in developing it just doesn't pay off like it does for the iPhone.

It feels like a great device with design aimed at techies and gadget fiends, yet with functionality aimed at Mundanes.
Really? Feels like something for consumers, people who don't know or care about technicalities like multitasking. People who want great email/browser and a fancy way to look at pictures and YouTube. Surely its the techies who are NOT currently taken with it?

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schwar wrote:

It feels like a great device with design aimed at techies and gadget fiends, yet with functionality aimed at Mundanes.
Really? Feels like something for consumers, people who don't know or care about technicalities like multitasking. People who want great email/browser and a fancy way to look at pictures and YouTube. Surely its the techies who are NOT taken with it currently?
Yeah, that's what I meant. Mundanes = the email/browser/YouTube brigade. razz

It's the techies that want to love it, hence all the hype around it. It's not consumers making the hype, it's the fanboys and techies and bloggers and twitterers. But now the product's been revealed, all those people making the hype have kinda gone "oh....it's not actually for me."

The iPhone is a cleverly designed bit of kit specifically because it's cool for the technophiles and for the technophobes. I'm not sensing that the iPad is going to cover those two demographics in the same way.
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Why on earth is that mundane? It is 90% of what people do on computers and this product looks perfect for it.

Since when have ALL the fanboys and techies and bloggers and twitterers said its not for them? Maybe its not for you but people in this post have already said they can see the appeal. As far as I know most people just wish it has multitasking... I don't think it'll stop people buying.

I agree it won't cover the two demographics in the same way as the iPhone. Apple never have cared much for the technophiles, hence DRM, no Blu-ray drives, poor GPUs (the list goes on) - technophobes are where the money is at.

The technophiles were the early adoptors of iPhones... Technophobes are the other 80%+ of the people who have purchased iPhones since. Maybe 10 million people who own the iPhone are pretty technical... but 65 million are regular no-technical consumers who will like the iPad just fine.

Having said that, the iPhone will vastly outsell the iPad.
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schwar wrote:

The technophiles were the early adoptors of iPhones... Technophobes are the other 80%+ of the people who have purchased iPhones since.
I just wonder whether those 80%+ of technophobes would have got iPhone if the technophiles hadn't got them early on and shouted and screamed about how awesome they were.

Still, I look forward to having a look at an iPad when you get one. biggrin
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I don't think Apple are going to get it out in 60 days. I think they'll be late.

I might get one, not sure, which is odd for me. Might wait for OS4, or the next iPhone, or just till most of my apps are updated to run at the native resolution.

If I get one I'll strap it to a table and recreate that Microsoft Surface thing... razz
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You should get 10 of them, so you can have a proper full size table thing. smile

Does it have a camera at all? Because it's the kind of device that would be seriously cool for augmented reality type stuff.
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Mundane is a decent word to call it.

It's essentially an over-sized iPod touch/iPhone, probably with similar locked-into-iTunes functionality. It probably won't allow you to install programmes or games that aren't available on the iTunes store.

I don't see a use for an oversized iPod when a cheaper netbook has infinite more possibilities. If I want to type something up while I'm travelling I'll use my Dell Mini, and if I want an all in one portable browsing/gaming/video/email device I have my iPod touch.

Doesn't mean I don't like the look of it, just that it has limited uses for the size and effort it'll mean carrying it about.
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Let's put it this way: It's supposed to take the place of and dominate netbooks as a medium, right? Well as I'm fairly certain is truth, the overwhelming majority of netbooks are used by students taking notes and surfing the web in college and the like, am I right?

I mean, that's why I have one, and just about everyone else of the 50,000 students here seems to have a netbook for just the same thing. So if you're tackling that market- don't you need some way to make sure it can type fast and efficiently?

Because as it stands I don't think the iPad can- which is and was always inherently going to be the problem with a crossover device- no full keyboard or hand-sized device, so your typing gestures are conforming to some odd amalgamated size. Do you use your thumbs or your homerow fingers or some mixture?

Herein lies the problem with a device of this size that is touchscreen. Yeah, it's a cool and useful feature as a replacement for a mouse. No more moving a cursor and clicking, just point-and-touch: Cool. But ultimately the same isn't true with a keyboard. In the end you're just typing on something still trying to emulate the genuine article to a less-precise degree- which isn't true with everything else on the iPad.

If I bought one of these it would be for class and taking notes, I always said. But how would I now that it's been shown? Laying the tablet down on the table/desk? Propped up on a stand? The whole thing is just.....awkward for typing.
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The more I think about this, the more I think how cool a "jailbroken" version would be. With a decent chip in there, a hacked USB connection, and a 9" multitouch screen, I'm sure the homebrewers could do something pretty cool with these. Add in a bit of multitasking, and you're good to go. wink

However, I still hold by what I said earlier concerning the general utility of the machine, and completely agree with Mel and Atom. There's just no clear target market for this machine to penetrate. Maybe it can create/expand one like the iPhone did? But while the iPhone really was a watershed product for the phone industry, this doesn't have nearly the same innovation or envelope-pushing design/tech to back it up.

This whole situation is just odd.
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I have to say I struggle to see the purpose of this machine at all. It's too big to just carry around like a smart phone, it lacks the power of a laptop be it PC or Macbook. I love my gadgets but they must have purpose and I see nothing this offers that other tablet PC's don't offer. And I wont be buying one of those either. it seems a little bit like innovation for the sake of it. I'm not a big apple fan I admit but credit where it's due the iphone is very impressive as is the ipod. these are small devices though. This on the other hand is really just a big iphone when you boil it down and what exaclty is the point in that? I was waiting with interest to see the details of the device and sadly it's as dissapointing as the name given the high price tag (common for all apple products). I'm sure there are plenty that will buy this device based on apples usual slick marketing spiel. Given the netbook market seems to already be in the decline though you have to wonder just who this is really aimed at.
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One aspect that will be crucial to its success is how sturdy it is: if people on the move, such as students, journalists and general media consumers, are going to get on with it, it has to be able to take a few knocks in its stride.

My iPhone is pretty tough, but then it's also small and easy to store/carry securely.

The on-screen keyboard I'd have to use before forming an opinion. I'm always surprised how faste I can type even on my tiny iPhone screen - it's only a little bit below my normal typing speed, although I make many more errors.

One potentially good thing is that a classroom full of people typing on iPads would be much quieter and less tappity-tap than everyone using clicky keyboards. smile

Something Schwar pointed out is that it would have been awesome to have been a pressure sensitive tablet. The artistic and gaming potential would have been phenomenal, then.
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The whole thing is just.....awkward for typing.
Good point! That will certainly be factor in its success. Also up here at winter when we're suddenly dealing with -20 degrees Celsius a touchscreen doesn't sound so awesome anymore. Not only do they not work well in minus degrees (especially under -15C), but you want something you can type on with frozen fingers. I've seen my friend struggling with his beloved iPhone all winter. Doesn't look fun at all.

And like you said: touchscreens are just awkward for typing efficiently.

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Yeah, the inability to use the iphone while wearing most gloves has been seriously annoying this winter. smile
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Better chip in my 2p...

No multitasking - that means no listening to music whilst you type an email. That's a fundamental functional flaw to me. I can do that on my phone.
No keyboard - ok, so that's kinda the point - but that means very slow typing on a non-tactile screen. Again, my phone has a QWERTY keyboard, I can type notes quickly. It also fits in my pocket wink
Apple's AppStore - you know the only reason you haven't got Google Voice VOIP on the iPhone is because Apple have had it in perpetual 'review' for best part of a year? They don't want it out there. The reason there's no Flash support is that it would open the door to non-iTunes music etc. Vendor lock-in means monopolies, and overpaying for everything.

So I see it as a low-function oversized phone that can't even make calls. Rather hard to get excited about.

On the Android front, for anyone interested, Android is an open and freely extensible OS which has stolen a massive support base considering how new it is. There are so many vendors and device form factors, I think it'll become more and more relevant for portable devices, and thanks to multitasking would have made a better option for the iPad, to be honest.
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pdrg wrote:

No multitasking - that means no listening to music whilst you type an email. That's a fundamental functional flaw to me. I can do that on my phone.
You can do that on the iPhone, too, so presumably will be able to on the iPad.

However, if I'm listening to a different source of music on my iPhone - LastFM, let's say - then I can't keep listening to it while doing other things. And that is lame.

Android looks more and more attractive to me - a friend has the new Google phone and it's pretty spiffy. Not quite there for me yet, but give it a year-or-so and hopefully there'll be some good competition in the marketplace.

Regardless of how good the iPhone/iPad is, it's never good to have a monopoly, as you say.
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It does have multitasking... Just not multitasking to run more than one 3rd party application at a time. The phone/pad is running multiple tasks all the time just like a computer. Apple lets some of its software, like the mp3 player, run in the background.

While a monopoly isn't good, a controlled user experience can be. Andriod is pretty useless in this regard. I don't think it'll ever really give the iPhone some competition, but I expect something else will...
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Apple actually just announced that they'd now allow VoIP over 3G, so that's technically not an issue anymore, though.
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Apple actually just announced that they'd now allow VoIP over 3G
Was that ever a question? VoIP calls have been allowed on the iPhone since last October, a month after the FCC proposed regulations disallowing data discrimination. (The FCC has actually had a surprising number of great initiatives ever since the new chairman took over, methinks)

Of course, to take full advantage of Skype, you still need the additional monthly subscription. Simply tack that onto the additional $130 for the chip as well as to the existing $15-$30 monthly 3G charge. unsure
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Yeah, the iPad...



...innovation with an Apple logo thrown on it. Heh.
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Yeah, the iPad...



...innovation with an Apple logo thrown on it. Heh.
So true... They always say that.
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Slightly unrelated, but this "Angry Hitler Subtitled" is the best. smile
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I think to some extent, a lot of reaction to the iPad is future shock. This won't be the first pad-like computer or the last by any means. And personally - a world where the iPad replaces newspapers and brings the internet into any room in my house is a welcome one.

I've been doing some thinking regarding Flash, and more or less come to the conclusion that Flash is on the way out. Site developers don't care about Flash, they care about getting content to viewers and if the iPad is a success, developers will create flash free websites.

HTML5 is also, on the way in. The future is an exciting place!
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The future is an exciting place!
Or it's a place in which all information is restricted and controlled by a couple of monolithic, gargantuan capitalist corporations, depending on your point of view.

Whereas traditionally it has been governments that have carefully controlled the distribution of information, in the 21st century it will be Apple, Google and their ilk. Moves towards closed systems like the iPad (while spiffy in their own right) could mean a gradual surrender of relative Internet freedom we've taken for granted so far.

The new web market desperately needs some competition.

Meanwhile, to bring this all back towards what we do here: http://www.candlerblog.com/2010/01/31/ipad-for-filmmakers-hopefully/
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...gargantuan capitalist corporations...
You mean like a FXhome? wink
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Heh, if only. razz
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Tarn wrote:

Hybrid-Halo wrote:

The future is an exciting place!
Or it's a place in which all information is restricted and controlled by a couple of monolithic, gargantuan capitalist corporations, depending on your point of view.

Whereas traditionally it has been governments that have carefully controlled the distribution of information, in the 21st century it will be Apple, Google and their ilk. Moves towards closed systems like the iPad (while spiffy in their own right) could mean a gradual surrender of relative Internet freedom we've taken for granted so far.

The new web market desperately needs some competition.

Meanwhile, to bring this all back towards what we do here: http://www.candlerblog.com/2010/01/31/ipad-for-filmmakers-hopefully/
While you've got a valid and very important point about net neutrality here, I don't think you can attribute forcing websites to switch from Flash to HTML5 as being a limiting of content or information... it's more like trying to get people to upgrade to newer content delivery systems, which is beneficial to everyone in the long run, if you think about it. Apple tends to be one of the only companies that can get that sort of effect, because website developers look at, say, the iPhone's huge user base and realize that there's a lot of potential there if they just upgrade.
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Worrying about Apple is pretty bogus, considering the power Google already has over your internet searches.

Though really, I can't foresee Apple ever wanting to assert control in that manner. Any attempt to do so would drive customers away as well as sully the casual image they've spent the last 10 years trying hard to achieve.

Of course competition is needed, though Apple tend to set the trend. Smart phone technology was pretty lame until the iPhone came along, spurring a lot of rivals and bringing the average ability of the smart phones up. Maybe the iPad will do the same.

In another note, I would trust Apple ahead of my own government when it comes the internet. Hell, I wish Apple had more influence over the Digital Law process. The shenanigans in this country are borderline ludicrous.

-Matt

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I'm sure there were some Jews that said similar things in Germany in the 1930s, Hybrid.

</godwin>
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Tarn wrote:

I'm sure there were some Jews that said similar things in Germany in the 1930s, Hybrid.

</godwin>
But what about all the good things Hitler did?
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Hell, I wish Apple had more influence over the Digital Law process
No way! Have you even bothered to read the iTunes EULA?



It expressly forbids using iTunes to design or make a nuclear weapon. HOW RESTRICTIVE IS THAT? Taking away our freedom to do as we wish. Apple should be ashamed....

<Hey, secret government agent M15 type people reading this, I was clearly being sarcastic, and don't really want to use iTunes to make a bomb. Thanks.
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On a more serious note...

Hybrid-Halo wrote:

Hell, I wish Apple had more influence over the Digital Law process.
Having any company that makes most of its money from Internet sales and specific stores it has set up online have more influence over Digital Law seems like a completely insane proposal.


Although I do agree that it would be better to have Apple doing it than Mandelson and his Labour cronies.
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Now, I'm curios, what is the Digital Law?
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Generally speaking, it's about governments suddenly realising that the Internet poses a major threat to their power structure, and taking measures to limit it.

Specifically speaking, it's about the Digital Economy Bill here in the UK, which you can read more about here:

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=41347
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So its censorship. I think there is something in the works like that here, but I forgot what the bill is called. I hate it when a "democratic" government starts tampering and limiting civil rights and private industry.
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Rockfilmers wrote:

I hate it when a "democratic" government starts tampering and limiting civil rights and private industry.
The United States is not a democracy in the sense that most people believe. Technically it would be a democratic republic. From the beginning the country's Constitution was manipulated by the private, wealthy elite (the Founding Fathers) to ensure stability and economic prosperity, not necessarily personal freedom. Keep in mind that many people seriously favored a military dictatorship or a monarchy.

The limitation of the internet usage is beyond me. However, it is similar to the first amendment in which you do NOT have the freedom to say anything you want anywhere you want. I can't walk into a movie theater and yell "Fire!" and cause panic. Well, I can, we can, but there'd be consequences. Take it from my personal experience; the water boarding isn't worth it. wink

My 2P. For what its worth.

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Check out this iPad concept. I think it's genius.

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That'd be ridiculously expensive and much thicker in real life, but awesome nonetheless!
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If the iPad could do music and GPS at the same time, this device would be a fantastic carputer. Can the iPhone run music at the same time as GPS? If so, I might get this once I get a new car.
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It can indeed do maps and music at the same time. I bet you're right, and it would make a good carputer, but with new cell phone driving laws, I bet eventually you'd have to stop using it. sad