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Where can I find realistic guns?

Posted: Fri, 12th Feb 2010, 3:53pm

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I am about to make a film where I need lots of guns. The film is basically about two boys who try to steal a car, but then get chased around the school by SWAT teams. I will need two pistols with silencers, and at least three machine guns for the SWAT teams, as that is probably the maximum you will see on screen.
Posted: Fri, 12th Feb 2010, 4:03pm

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Hi, if you search on google for airsoft guns you sould be able to find some cheap, yet realisitc guns.

Hope this helps
Posted: Fri, 12th Feb 2010, 4:06pm

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Go to your local walmart if there's one near you. I got a nice looking airsoft gun for 12 dollars, spray painted it black and bingo. It looks awesome.
I'm sure they'll sell what your looking for...
Posted: Fri, 12th Feb 2010, 4:56pm

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"Where can I find realistic guns?" - so far like every other teen shoot'emup. But then driving around a school with realistic looking machine guns and running around with handguns - you're asking for MASSIVE problems if you don't plan this right. If the guns look realistic, what's to stop people thinking they're real? What's to stop them thinking it's yet another American high-school massacre? What if you get an emergeny services call put in by a well-meaning citizen? The *best* way that story could end is with a major bollocking and having your filming stopped. If you are waving 'firearms' around when a SWAT team arrives, everybody will be jumpy, somebody may get badly hurt. And don't imagine the police won't respond, no force wants to be the next Columbine with awkward questions asked.

My advice, don't wave realistic prop guns around in public view. If you must, then work with the police, locals, etc upfront to warn everyone and expect to pay a police fee for them to provide a presence on your set.
Posted: Fri, 12th Feb 2010, 5:04pm

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Good advice pdrg! Some good looking yet cheap airsoft guns can be found over at Hobbytron.com Again, no matter how old you are, its not smart to wave guns around school. Make sure you contact the authorities and everyone around you that you will be filming an independent movie, using fake AIRSOFT guns, or else your fake SWAT team might just meet the real SWAT team. wink Good luck and happy filming! -Storm Grenade
Posted: Fri, 12th Feb 2010, 5:50pm

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yeah only wave spray-painted plastic guns behind your house - don't get shot, everybody is kinda jumpy right now. Or, like pdrg and S.G said, tell the police beforehand. GOOD LUCK AND BE CAREFUL!!!
Posted: Fri, 12th Feb 2010, 7:57pm

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I don't know how it works in the US, but over here you MUST engage with the police if you're SIMULATING A CRIME. They will insist on providing you with one or more police staff to reassure anybody who may be concerned, and you are expected to pay for that. Not that cheap, but a lot cheaper than having to pay retrospectively for SO19/SWAT to be scrambled, and you're a lot less likely to get attacked by a vigilante!
Posted: Fri, 12th Feb 2010, 8:34pm

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Thanks for the advice guys!
But then driving around a school with realistic looking machine guns and running around with handguns - you're asking for MASSIVE problems if you don't plan this right.
I actually go to the school, but there wouldn't be too many problems as I plan to film it at the weekend. Being 12 has it's advantages.
Posted: Fri, 12th Feb 2010, 9:43pm

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djswallow wrote:

Being 12 has it's advantages.
I'm assuming you mean midnight? That's not going to make it better, that might actually complicate things. If you and your cast decide to make a lot of noise, there will more than likely be someone who is woken up by the noise. They will want to know what's going on and once they see kids at a school waving around guns in the middle of the night, well, I don't think I have to explain any further.

Take the advice in this thread very seriously! Can't stress this enough. Even if you don't get the cops called on you, if you live in an area where there a lot of over sensitive, wannabe "gang" members or something like that, then someone can really get hurt. I know first hand from an experience I had last year while filming a movie in my friends neighborhood. Long story short we hand a gun pulled on us.

The police will tell you to stop filming, you'll get into a lot of trouble and you know. But if you got some crazy people that live in that area, well they won't come to say, "Hey, can you please stop.", they'll happily show you their real gun.

So, once again, take the advice in this thread about getting law enforcement support very seriously. If you can't do that, try to write out a different scene, where the guns are not needed.
Posted: Sat, 13th Feb 2010, 3:19am

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I think he means HE is 12. In which case what you are about to do is very stupid. Ask an authority at your school if you can do it. I guarantee you the answer is going to be "no," and you should listen.
Posted: Sat, 13th Feb 2010, 5:02am

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Personally, I think you should try shooting in a different location. Because, being 12, whatever you're doing probably involves combat of some sort even if you write out the guns. Nobody likes guns, but they won't be any less P.O.'d by kids who look like they're mugging each other, you know?
I think your only chance of getting support from an authority is if you've shown yourself at school to be an extremely responsible kind of person. (There are other factors involved, but this is important.) If you're like most tweens, they'll say "NO" as soon as you mention guns, Airsoft or otherwise.
Posted: Sat, 13th Feb 2010, 8:28am

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Well, as a matter of fact the deciding factor will probably be if the garage next to our school lets us shoot in there. I doubt there will be much trouble from the police as if the garage does let us film in there, there is only one shot outside the school and the street it is on is very long and you very rarely see people at the end of it where the school and garage are.
Posted: Sat, 13th Feb 2010, 10:12am

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Hey DJ, best of luck with your production - you know the only reason people here are sounding heavy on you is concern for your and your crews safety, and the peace of mind of the public! Like if you said you were going to stand on a hairpin bend to film a rally, or hop into the safari park lion enclosure to get some close-ups, y'know?

So I hope it all goes well, in fact we all do. Please really use your creative talents though, no one scene ever broke a movie, and if you can translate the script for a safe and adult approach to filming you'll impress the people around you more than if you cause them trouble or worry! (One way, they encourage you in your filmmaking hobby, the other you get grounded!)

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Posted: Sat, 13th Feb 2010, 10:13am

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Hey DJ, best of luck with your production - you know the only reason people here are sounding heavy on you is concern for your and your crews safety, and the peace of mind of the public! Like if you said you were going to stand on a hairpin bend to film a rally, or hop into the safari park lion enclosure to get some close-ups, y'know?

So I hope it all goes well, in fact we all do. Please really use your creative talents though, no one scene ever broke a movie, and if you can translate the script for a safe and adult approach to filming you'll impress the people around you more than if you cause them trouble or worry! (One way, they encourage you in your filmmaking hobby, the other you get grounded!)

Best
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Posted: Sat, 13th Feb 2010, 5:39pm

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It is NOT a good idea at all to be waving guns around in any public place especially at a schools because of real guns being waved around there lately. sad If I were you I would try to find another place to shoot the film. Maybe try going to a famer with a large building and ask permission to use that place to film. For getting guns you should try out eBay or amazon. They have good prop guns. wink

Remmember you don't want your film to end in a tragity!!!
Posted: Sat, 13th Feb 2010, 11:40pm

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Posted: Sun, 14th Feb 2010, 3:56am

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gamesmaster369: It only has to happen once. And the environment makes a big difference. If you're on a cul-de-sac in a rural area, you're probably okay. (That's not to say you shouldn't take precautions.) I would guess that's where you live. But for someone going to a public place like a school, you never, ever take risks. They could get you in trouble, and worst-case scenario get someone killed.
Posted: Sun, 14th Feb 2010, 12:52pm

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Thanks for the advice guys!

And the environment makes a big difference
What exactly do you mean?
Posted: Sun, 14th Feb 2010, 2:58pm

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Like I said: if you're in a calm rural area or neighborhood, you're probably okay. If you're in the middle of NYC, that's a much different matter. (Again though, always take precautions no matter the location.)
Posted: Sun, 14th Feb 2010, 6:30pm

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ok - cheers guys
Posted: Sun, 14th Feb 2010, 7:57pm

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I was thinking of getting some airsoft guns for the film.
Does anyone know if/where you can rent them or if not, buy them, in particular rifles/ machine guns, for not much money?
Posted: Sun, 14th Feb 2010, 8:07pm

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No. I dont think its possible to rent them. I gave you a great website to buy cheap airsoft guns off of. This is probabley as cheap as they're going to get without sacrificing the actual quality and the durability of the airsoft gun:
http://www.hobbytron.com/AirsoftGuns.html

If you want Machine Guns from the site, then here:
http://www.hobbytron.com/AirsoftMachineGuns.html

By Rifles, I'm taking you ment Sniper Rifles:
http://www.hobbytron.com/AirsoftSniperRifles.html

Plus the "Choose Your Position" bar on the right hand side of the screen is handy. Good luck and be safe! -Storm Grenade

EDIT: Sorry if the links weren't working. Just had to change them.

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Posted: Mon, 15th Feb 2010, 1:42am

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I'm positive someone in your school would have a reasonable solution. Offer them 5 bucks and who knows?
But if not the links provided by Storm Grenade are the cheapest your going to find online, or anywhere at that.
Posted: Mon, 15th Feb 2010, 9:26am

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djswallow wrote:

Where can I find realistic guns?
Texas. Well, they'll be more real than realistic, but...
Posted: Mon, 15th Feb 2010, 1:14pm

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I think that the law in the UK currently states that you need to be either a registered 'Airsoft Skirmisher' or work in a professional film/TV/theatre company to purchase Realistic Imitation Firearms.

If you're neither of these things, then you can only purchase non-realistic imitation firearms (legally). Which most likely means that they will be at least 50% bright pink or red or orange.

Re-painting those will make them 'realistic imitation firearms', which (unless you are a registered skirmisher or professional film crew), is illegal. It's even more illegal to have one of those in public.

Basically, until you're old enough and professional enough to inform and involve the police, waving realistic looking guns around in a public area is illegal, and likely to land you in trouble. Because the law now states that all toy guns and airsoft guns should be bright colours - any police who see you will have to assume that you're holding a real weapon, and that can have very tragic consequences.

I would suggest that either you think of a different story to film - OR you film any sections with prop guns entirely inside and out of view of any passers by - but even in that case, you can find yourself in trouble; an AP/director I know once was arrested by armed London police because during the filming of a Sky documentary someone walked past the office they were filming it in and notified the police he had seen 'men in balaclavas pointing assault rifles at a hostage'... They had permission to film in the office, but hadn't notified the police; and understandably the police were very annoyed.

Sorry to be so pessimistic - I don't want to spoil your fun, but I do think you need to be very careful when thinking about filming with any prop weapons.

Cheers,
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Arktic wrote:

Re-painting those will make them 'realistic imitation firearms', which (unless you are a registered skirmisher or professional film crew), is illegal. It's even more illegal to have one of those in public.
Note: This may not be the same in the UK. I can only confirm the below for the Untied States.

In most states in the US you can remove the orange tip legally. However in order for the airsoft gun to be sold it must have at least 6mm of orange paint at the tip. After purchasing it can be removed at anytime. Most US laws on Airsoft also state you can purchase and handle Airsoft guns if you are 13-15 years old as long as you are accompinied by a parent and have the consent of the parent. When you become 16 you can buy (must have parental approval) and handle these guns with little restrictions.(< I believe this is right. I remember recently reading that somewhere.)

Have a read at these articles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_issues_in_airsoft#United_States
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/868359/orange_airsoft_tips_is_it_legal_to.html

Above the section of the US (in the wikipedia link or just click here) it shows the laws for the UK.

In these articles it states that:

Associated Content wrote:

Once you have possession of the gun, you are free to remove the orange airsoft tip, as long as you don't violate local laws. Most areas do not have laws requiring the orange airsoft tip, but to be sure, you can check will your local police station for more information.
However it also states that:

Wikipedia wrote:

New York City requires that all realistic toy or imitation firearms be made of clear or brightly colored plastics. Furthermore, New York City makes possession of any pistol or rifle or similar instrument in which the propelling force is a spring or air unlawful without a license. See New York City Administrative Code § 10-131(b) and New York City Administrative Code § 10-131(g)(1)(a)[12]. According to New York state law, airsoft guns are classified as firearms and therefore must follow state firearm laws regarding possession and purchase. Due to this, "technically" airsoft replicas are legal in New York State. However, if players want to use them, it muct be done on private property.

Michigan allows the purchase of airsoft guns. However, they must have an orange tip on the barrel.

Texas allows airsoft guns to be owned, but most cities require that the airsoft guns be discharged only while outside city limits.

Some cities in Illinois consider shipping or distributing airsoft guns illegal. It is officially now not illegal to remove the orange tip of the airsoft gun.

In Minnesota, it is illegal for a child under the age of 14 to possess an airsoft gun unless under the supervision of a parent or adult. It is also illegal for any child under 18 to purchase an airsoft gun without parental permission. In Saint Paul and Minneapolis, airsoft guns cannot be carried in public unless they either have an orange tip, are clear or brightly colored. Airsoft guns also cannot be carried in public if they have a laser attached. It is legal to possess airsoft guns in these cities as long as they are transported in a closed and fastened gun case (in accordance with Minnesota firearm transportation laws) and unloaded. The vast majority of municipalities in Minnesota ban the firing of an airsoft gun within the city limits.

Arkansas has recently passed a bill[3] that bans airsoft guns. The bill states that these replicas consitute a severe danger to the the health and safety of an individual due to Law Enforcement Officials being unable to determine whether a weapon is "real" or not. The bill does not ban imitation firearms (including airsoft guns) that are predominately coloured something other than black, brown, blue, silver or metallic, nor imitation firearms that are built of predominately transparent or translucent materials, allowing anyone to determine the contents of the firearm.

I hope this clears up that in the US it is usually legal to paint over the orange tip of an airsoft gun. It all depends on where you live. -Storm Grenade
Posted: Mon, 15th Feb 2010, 10:40pm

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Cheers guys! Those links are great!
Do you know if you can legally repaint guns in the UK?
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No it is illegal in the UK. Sorry for false information.

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Posted: Tue, 16th Feb 2010, 12:00am

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He clearly stated that he was in the UK. This is already covered in great detail in this thread by Arktic:

Arktic wrote:


Re-painting those will make them 'realistic imitation firearms', which (unless you are a registered skirmisher or professional film crew), is illegal. It's even more illegal to have one of those in public.

Cheers,
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Read!
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And I said that this only applies for the US. I didnt say if this was the law in the UK. I'm sure Artic knows more than I do about the laws in the UK however I was stating that in the US it is legal (to certain extents) to repaint your airsoft gun. I never said that this applied to the UK.
I was talking about the US he was talking about the UK. The laws are different.
Also I'm sure someone that lives in the US would like to know the info I posted.
Plus, I cant find him (djswallows) saying that he did live in the UK.
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djswallow wrote:

Do you know if you can legally repaint guns in the UK?
To which you responded "yes," originally.
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I am sorry I didn't catch that part. Thought he said US not UK.
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ok - thanks
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Posted: Wed, 17th Feb 2010, 5:12pm

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gamesmaster369 wrote:

Stuff that has now been edited out
Be quiet. Seriously, just be quiet.

EDIT: Actually that doesn't quite say it enough. It's incredibly stupid advice to say that you shouldn't bother 'making a fuss' when there are countless examples of people displaying the same kind of careless or naive attitude and ending up on a mortuary slab. Then again the sort of person who would ignore those examples and go as far as to delete them from this thread clearly doesn't have the maturity or wit to comprehend that if you mess about with imitation weapons and the police in any country you risk serious repercussions. It only takes one person to get twitchy and you could end up face to face with some very angry SO19 officers. Do some research on Harry Stanley and Jean Charles de Menezes and then tell me that mistakes aren't made by officers in this country 'acting without thinking'.

EDIT the second: I should point out as well that I'm well aware that mistakes of this kind are often made not because of police incompetence or some trigger-happy Rambo wannabe but rather due to the kind of difficult on-the-spot decision making and extreme pressure which most people will never experience in their lives.
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I've just realised - I was about to get some off storm grenade's link but I live in the uk, does anyone know where to get them in the uk?
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I'd recommend issuing an apology, delete all of your posts in this topic and lay low for a little.

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Posted: Wed, 17th Feb 2010, 8:27pm

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I'll chip in quickly to remind you of the uptick in videotaped crimes. Year by year, more kids are recording themselves beating up a schoolmate or committing other crimes to upload on YouTube. Point being, if a cop spots *anything* suspicious and sees some kids with a camera, he will not automatically assume it's kids shooting a movie and drive on - he will drive over and investigate.
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If you can be shot and killed by police in the uk for holding a chair leg in a bag, you can definitely be shot and killed for waving around a plastic gun.
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gamesmaster369 wrote:

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Please go get an air hole drilled in your head. Please. You are issuing very dangerous information that has already been opposed by at least ten people, most of whom are experienced on this site. You are casually suggesting that a person run around with realistic guns, probably shouting and yelling as usually happens in a shoot-em-up short film and people falling over as if dying. And while being in a secluded spot will make a cop less likely no notice, it will make him more suspicious if he sees it. You're suggesting that he does not take all possible precautions and hope nobody gets suspicious.
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Just think of it from the cops view...
He drives up to 10 or more teens with guns shooting each other. With all of the crime in the world today, what should the cop think? "Oh, its okay. They're just another group of kids with guns. Carry on!" No. His first response will be to stop the group with force, open fire, or call in for back-up. Then it gets serious. This isn't funny. You can get seriously injured, killed, or taken to prison for life for waving fake guns around.
Plus just think, these arent guns that are actually "fake". Airsoft guns can shoot airsoft (plastic bbs), actual bbs, or even paintballs. So to classify these as fake guns is wrong. I dont know if youve ever played airsoft or paintball but they hurt. You can do a LOT of damage with airsoft guns, running through a neighborhood.

This isnt funny. Always obey the law. Case Closed. -Storm Grenade


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djswallow wrote:

I've just realised - I was about to get some off storm grenade's link but I live in the uk, does anyone know where to get them in the uk?
Here is the website if you want to contact them directly about their shipping. Good luck!
http://www.hobbytron.com/contact.html
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Awwww, I missed all the fun. What did this 'idiot' say?
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Yeah I wanna know what idiot said too!
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Mod Edit: I'm going to keep deleting everything you post in this topic, gamesmaster. I don't care how you want to justify it, it's BAD ADVICE that could get someone into A LOT OF TROUBLE, seriously injured (or killed).

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Hey, gamesmaster (and, really, everyone else in this thread):

Stop the bitching. Sneeriously. It's getting way too tiring.
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God, just stop talking. No one cares. It's all passed already.
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Posted: Thu, 18th Feb 2010, 1:39pm

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pdrg

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Chill, guys, chill. What have we learned? It's fine to want to do a kids shoot-'em-up, but unless the producer can afford to do it legally, it should stay a wish. I want to do that special scene with Lindsey Lohan and Megan Fox and me - but I can't afford to do that legally, so it has to stay a wish too wink

Some shaky advice was given, contexted, and redacted for the common good.

We're all on the same side here - we all want the OP to have a fun, safe film. DJ - have fun, but don't get your realistic looking weapons out in public, or where they can be seen by the public, in case you cause alarm and get trouble for it. If that means reworking the script, rework the script. Simple smile

Now can we stop the bickering guys? Can you believe you forced me to agree with Atom?! wink
Posted: Thu, 18th Feb 2010, 7:20pm

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djswallow

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ok - thanks for everything guys!