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Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2010, 8:00am

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Alright, I'll start first off by saying that this is aimed at people who live relatively close to/can travel to the Montreal area, as this'd be a collaboration if it actually works.

So here goes:

I'm a gigantic Muse fan. Like, ridiculously big, as in I have over 1700 tracks logged in my Last.fm, have been to their show, have a bunch of T-shirts and posters, know a ton about the band, and so on. Therefore, I love all of their albums to death, and that includes The Resistance. Now, upon listening to it for what must be the 30th time today, I thought of how fun it'd be to make a music video for "Uprising". Then, as the album went on, and I thought about how it was Muse's only concept album with a story, I suddenly pictured a ridiculously optimistic but potentially amazing project:

Making a video for the entire The Resistance album.

The soundtrack would be only the music, yet the images would follow the storyline of the album in a stylized and badass way. So here's the thing: considering the huge scope of the storyline, it's not really something I could undertake alone without going through a ridiculously long casting process, or without any actual money and resources.

And so I thought of you guys. Basically, I'm trying to gouge interest as to whether any of you guys would be interested in collaborating on something like this! It'd be a long-term thing and the final film would last roughly 50 minutes. Please note that I'm mostly interested in hearing from the more established filmmakers here, as collaborating with a bunch of 12 year-olds wouldn't really help (no offense razz).

So what do you guys think?
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2010, 10:03am

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Sounds cool - the ideas behind the album would certainly make for a compelling movie.

My immediate thought, though, is unfortunately one of copyright: do you know how Muse and their record label react to stuff like this? ie, if you're not making money from it, would they be cool with it and just let it slide? Or would they come down hard and shut down the project, or prevent you from even making it available for viewing?

In fact, given that the movie would have to have the music attached, that immediately makes distributing it a bit tricky.

On the other hand, if you're aiming it primarily at Muse fans, they're already going to have the album, so I suppose you could distribute the movie entirely without sound, and tell people to press 'play' on the album when they start watching. smile

Anyway, I'd certainly be interested in hearing more about what you had planned. I wouldn't be able to get involved in production, obviously, due to being in Norwich, but I'd be happy to throw some concepts and ideas and story stuff around.
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2010, 11:08am

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Tarn wrote:


On the other hand, if you're aiming it primarily at Muse fans, they're already going to have the album, so I suppose you could distribute the movie entirely without sound, and tell people to press 'play' on the album when they start watching. smile
That could work.

And as another HUGE Muse fan, I am down to help. Not sure if I can travel, but I can do post work. And hell who knows? Maybe I will be able to travel for a week/weekend and help out with production. Just hit me up once/if this starts rolling. I'd imagine if it was made well it would get FXHome and you a lot of exposure as well, a bonus in creating an awesome video that has a fanbase.
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2010, 11:25am

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Warner (Muse's record label) tend to come down pretty hard in regard to copyright. Loads of people I'm in contact with have had instrumental covers with no elements from the original recordings and the like pulled from Youtube for infringement. That being said, they are reasonably inconsistent with what they go after. Might be worth looking into something like Tarn's suggestion which I think fans of the band would really go for.

If you not already aware of it, head over to www.muselive.com . It probably won't be that useful for finding creative types to help with production as the ratio of mad obsessives that think they're Spielberg/Chaucer/Da Vinci etc to people who actually have genuine artistic ability is pretty bad but something like this would probably go down a storm there when it's done.
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2010, 12:46pm

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You guys ever heard of the band "The Myriad"? http://lala.com/zCj0I

I hung out with them after a show about a year and a half ago, and talked with them about making a full-albums worth of short films to go along with their newest album, and they were all highly supportive of it and gave me their email address to send my concepts to.

I never got around to it, but I've always liked the idea of creating a set of short films that go along with an entire album.
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2010, 6:23pm

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Tarn wrote:

On the other hand, if you're aiming it primarily at Muse fans, they're already going to have the album, so I suppose you could distribute the movie entirely without sound, and tell people to press 'play' on the album when they start watching. smile
Frickin GENIUS!!! Fans WILL have the album, so you get around all the legal nonsense, and fans will really love the novelty of being able to enjoy the project where non-fans won't. I'll seriously bet, get this right, and MUSE's management will get in touch, in a good way.

Sync *will* stray a little over time, so bear that in mind, or add a simple sync point partway through.

If I could collaborate on this, I would. I suppose if you need some atmos/establisher shots in Teignmouth, it's a day-trip...
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2010, 6:41pm

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Fantastic, guys, keep it coming we'll need as many people as we can!

Tarn, I love that idea! That's most likely what I'll do if I can't get actual legal approval, although I'd probably stick a few sync points as pdrg mentioned just to be sure it lines up (maybe about 3 of them? or maybe I should have one for each song?). I'm sure if it actually got some recognition some guy would sync the music to it himself and post a torrent somewhere, anyway.
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2010, 6:57pm

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3 syncs is probably fine - as you say, someone will sync and torrent it anyway...as long as it isn't you wink
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2010, 7:47pm

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Boom, I'm in!

Almost certainly won't be able to make it to Montreal (though... perhaps?!) - but I've got some ideas, will throw you a PM.

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2010, 8:07pm

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Awesome! Now, considering the weather here, filming would have to take place in the summer (between May and August), so either we get everything ready for this summer or we wait for the next one and plan everything perfectly. I'm not sure if pushing production so far back would be a good idea though, as some people would likely drop out or lose interest. This can't lose too much steam.

Another idea would be to film the main characters in the winter. The Resistance takes place in Eurasia, so I guess that could fit in with Russia, and you guys in Europe could possibly fill in the rest of it with secondary characters that live in the west. Considering how the story plays out over a very long period of time, we could stretch out filming over a couple of months/seasons/locations!

What do you think?
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2010, 8:35pm

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The world is pretty close to utterly collapsing currently. Perhaps in the upcoming year we can just stick our cameras out of our windows and film that wink
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2010, 8:47pm

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Sooner rather than later - or you'll lose all momentum...

Spring is just coming, a little grading and you have instant summer...
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2010, 9:20pm

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Better start writing!
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2010, 9:37pm

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Well, as a rather new Muse fan (thanks to you Pooky) I'd love to help, but unfortunately, I'm sure the last thing you need is a minor on the set. However, if you need anything else I can offer (donation, some editing/other work in post, etc) I'd be more than happy to do so.

Anyways, interesting idea! Definitely something I'd purchase, as would a lot of friends I know.
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2010, 10:47pm

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If I could collaborate on this, I would. I suppose if you need some atmos/establisher shots in Teignmouth, it's a day-trip...
I live 10 mins away from the Teignmouth, I'll be up for helping with those shots if you need it.
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2010, 2:25am

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big fan of muse, pretty cool idea, no help from me though, im a (very) young minor, so good luck guys. Its a sort of resistance movie right, with music from them???
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2010, 6:47am

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Sweet, thanks guys!

Serpent's right though, we'd better get to writing. So first step: we need to interpret the lyrics into a story outline. There's multiple ways to see it, so any "version" of any of the songs would be quite useful!

I can confirm that this site has the correct lyrics that match the official booklet (ignore Prague, the B-Side).

Here's my take on what the songs are basically about:

Uprising
The people of Eurasia start a revolution against the powers that be in Eurasia.

Resistance
Two lovers that are part of the Resistance are hiding from the government. They are scared of being caught, and don't want to be separated by the conflict. They are eventually forced to run.

Undisclosed Desires
Not quite sure about this one, but I think the main guy is basically trying to comfort and congratulate the girl as they pass through hardships. She's changing before his eyes because of the suffering, and he's trying to hold on to her innocence.

United States of Eurasia
The character talks about being punished for unproven crimes... maybe they've been caught by the government for their revolutionary crimes. However, it sounds like the United States of Eurasia will soon come to exist.

Guiding Light
It sounds like the guy is trying to lead the Resistance, yet it is crushing him. Despite being loved by all of the members of the Resistance, he can't rely on his lover to guide him because she's been hurt and "stripped to the core" by the events that are unfolding, which in turn destroys him and confuses him. Maybe this all takes place inside a cell.

Unnatural Selection
The Resistance is failing, and the "lucky" (the people in power) don't care. The main character feels that this is "Unnatural Selection" as it goes against fate and is purely random. He wants to take the revolution to new and more violent heights, as well as learn the truth about the government's actions and be taken more seriously.

MK Ultra
MK Ultra being a mind control program, he and possibly everyone else are being brainwashed to forget everything that's happened.

I Belong To You
Not sure about this one. Sort of seems like the guy travels to find the girl again, and apologizes to her. She's mad, but he says he belongs to her. Then I'm not sure what the French part could be, possibly just an extension of what I said as it's mostly a plea for love.

Exogenesis
Sounds like everybody is confused and lost and don't know who they are or what they're doing there. They send some people out into space to repopulate somewhere else (Earth seems to be destroyed). The people that stay on earth wish they had another chance.



There are some obvious holes in my take on it, so I'm looking forward to hearing what you guys think! There must be stuff that I missed.
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2010, 7:30am

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I would LOVE to be in charge of MK Ultra. I'm working on a very similar project right now.
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2010, 9:27pm

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By in charge, do you mean script writing or guest directing? We can probably work something out!

MK Ultra in particular would be really awesome to do, though, as it'd be somewhat psychedelic due to the drug-fuelled mind control yet also action-packed due to the sudden and ultra-badass riffs, so that's definitely one that has to be, uh, shared smile

I've made some revisions to my version of the story after realizing that the story was basically 1984. Chages are in red:

Uprising
The people of Eurasia start a revolution against the powers that be in Eurasia, and the main character joins it.

Resistance
The main character falls in love with another member of the Resistance, despite there being strict laws against such love, as it would distract from the unconditional love of "Big Brother". They hide from the governmennt and are scared of being caught, and don't want to be separated by the conflict. They are eventually forced to run.

Undisclosed Desires
Not quite sure about this one, but I think the main guy is basically trying to comfort and congratulate the girl as they pass through hardships. She's changing before his eyes because of the suffering, and he's trying to hold on to her innocence.

United States of Eurasia
The character talks about being punished for unproven crimes... maybe they've been caught by the government for their revolutionary crimes. However, it sounds like the United States of Eurasia will soon come to exist.

Guiding Light
It sounds like the guy is trying to lead the Resistance, yet it is crushing him. Despite being loved by all of the members of the Resistance, he can't rely on his lover to guide him because she's been hurt and "stripped to the core" by the events that are unfolding, which in turn destroys him and confuses him. Maybe this all takes place inside a cell and is mostly the main character reflecting on his actions.

Unnatural Selection
The Resistance is failing, and the "lucky" (the people in power) don't care. The main character feels that this is "Unnatural Selection" as it goes against fate and is purely random. He wants to take the revolution to new and more violent heights, as well as learn the truth about the government's actions and be taken more seriously.

MK Ultra
MK Ultra being a mind control program, he and possibly everyone else are being brainwashed to forget everything that's happened.

I Belong To You
Not sure about this one. Sort of seems like the guy travels to find the girl again, and apologizes to her. She's mad, but he says he belongs to her. Then I'm not sure what the French part could be, possibly just an extension of what I said as it's mostly a plea for love. My idea: this could be a hallucination sequence where he only imagines the girl despite in reality never having seen her again. As the hallucination fades away, we see a nuke start to go off in the distance, which leads to...

Exogenesis
Skip ahead to much later, when the Earth is basically destroyed. Sounds like everybody is confused and lost and don't know who they are or what they're doing there. They send some people out into space to repopulate somewhere else. The people that stay on earth wish they had another chance. The actual space launch sequence could be supplemented by a somewhat psychedelic animation sequence based on the album art and booklet art, provided by Arktic, which would also double as a reference to 2001: A Space Odyssey. smile
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Guest direct, or even co-direct as you suggested. I can post some material from a project I'm working on at some point as an audition of sorts. I know I haven't posted any work on here in a while. The project is completely about LSD, so I could handle the psychedic aspect of it. But it could be an intense sequence, with forcefed tabs or sugar cubes, unwanted bad trip with government/military interference akin to Men Who Stare at Goats. I'm reading Acid Dreams, which is a book completely about project MK Ultra. It just fascinates me, and I know a LOT about it, so feel like I'd be good for the job.

EDIT: And I'd gladly help write it as well, I have some ideas and concepts.
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Serpent wrote:

But it could be an intense sequence, with forcefed tabs or sugar cubes, unwanted bad trip with government/military interference akin to Men Who Stare at Goats..
From a realism standpoint, the government would never use "tabs" or sugar cubes to administer LSD. It would be liquid and taken in a glass of water, or intravenously.
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Actually they did use sugar cubes some times (though not forcefully). You're right about tabs though, they were invented for dealers so weight would be lower if they were arrested. But I think the image of an official forcefully putting a sugar cube in someone's mouth and holding it closed is more powerful than dosing a drink. That's why I suggested tab as an option, but that might be harder to show on camera.

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Posted: Sun, 14th Mar 2010, 2:03am

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If you tackle this, somehow, in sort of a highly-collaborated way where each track has its own style and characters but follows the same outline of ongoing story (which I think would be the smart thing to do...) then Ben and I and our crew would be happy to take whatever story is created for it and shoot the final, closing sequences that would be the track Exogenesis.

Mostly because I really love that song and I think the idea is right up our alley. Of course, given where we live we're pretty unable to travel north to help someone else- but we could easily do it ourselves given the right information from a collective group like FXHome.

Just a thought.
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Serpent wrote:

Actually they did use sugar cubes some times (though not forcefully). You're right about tabs though, they were invented for dealers so weight would be lower if they were arrested. But I think the image of an official forcefully putting a sugar cube in someone's mouth and holding it closed is more powerful than dosing a drink. That's why I suggested tab as an option, but that might be harder to show on camera.
I think if you're going to do this, you should try to separate whatever is going on in The Resistance from the actual MK Ultra program. I don't think Muse intended the title to be taken literally.

So what I'm saying is that you don't necessarily need to have these people being force fed LSD, since the real MK Ultra even dismissed it's use as unpredictable. I would think you should focus less on the LSD psychedelia, and more on the violence of a government mandated, forced brainwashing program, which is what MK Ultra is really about, not the drugs. Don't get hung up on people being forced to trip balls, I guess. I also don't think seeing someone forced to eat sugar is a very frightening image. wink Anyway, that's my take on it.
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Each to his own I suppose.

And the force feeding scene would be shot intensely, in a creepy room, creepy lighting, being held down, etc. Then what follows would reflect why that action was so drastic.

I think it would just be interesting to portray fictionally. Like in Lost season 5, for example, when Sayid is force fed LSD. It's effects were fictional (though very simply portrayed through dialogue only). The scene in my eyes would be loaded with subliminal messages, and fictional government tactics for "mind control." And it would be very visual.

So in my opinion, that would be the most interesting way to portray MK Ultra. I know it isn't a literal representation of the program, but it's the same idea. And an MK Ultra-like program can easily be part of the story of The Resistance, so I don't really know what you mean by separate the two. Remember, MK Ultra used many other methods, including other drugs like Cannabis, MDMA, Psilocybin, heroine, mescaline, alcohol etc., and Hypnosis. They really were just trying to do everything they could to find unconventional interrogation tools. So if you were to separate the concept of the project from The Resistance and avoid the project, it wouldn't be about mind control anymore.

Maybe I'll do a concept film using MK Ultra as the music, because I kind of want to do this now anyways. Then I'll see what you all think and we can decide what to do with it from there? If a good portion of people like it, it can be reshot with the right actors with input taken into consideration.

Oh also, if any military gear is needed for short term use, I might be able to get it. Anything from http://blackhawk.com Not sure if that would come in use or not for the film, as it isn't written yet.

And I like Atom's idea of different styles for different parts.
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Atom - You may be on to something. Seeing as I originated the idea, I definitely want to be heavily involved with whatever's going on with this project, but handing off a project with a certain set of guidelines and objectives while leaving room for incorporating your own style so that each song has a different feel could be really cool. For Exogenesis, it'd definitely have to involve spaceships/rockets taking off, and space gear as well as actual outer space shots. If you can handle that, then yeah sure you can have it once it's written! smile

Serpent - I definitely think there needs to be a psychedelic aspect to MK Ultra, although it shouldn't be the main focus. It has to be more about the violence and about the main character slowly being brainwashed ("They're breaking through" is repeated quite often). Whatever drugs and methods are used can be fictional, so we don't have to stick to LSD realism (although we certainly have to take inspiration from it). I'd be really interested in seeing that video you mentioned, as well as any concepts for what you're imagining if you have any! I don't quite know what your directing style is like nowadays razz

Now there's one thing we have to remember with the collaboration idea, though: the main character has to be the same actor, or we have to find a way to have a different one without it being apparent. Exogenesis isn't the main character, so that part's OK, but for everything else we'll have to find ways around it.

Now, assuming we go for the contractual way of doing things where you'd get a script (with no dialogue, as there is no sound), certain guidelines and have to submit to me as a sort of producer, would anyone else be interested in taking part in this, and with what song? smile

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As long as you are as ambiguous as possible with the actual substances being used, like Lost was, I think I can see it working. The substance that Sayid was forced to take was probably meant to be LSD, but it wasn't ever stated, so as far as the audience is concerned, it could just be some random Island compounds, like whatever Locke smeared Boone with. As long as you do something like that, I think it will work well. Sounds like you're imagining something more like the brainwashing from A Clockwork Orange (or Room 23 from Lost, for that matter), but with the drug included, which I like. Base it off of MK Ultra, with an ambiguous chemical being administered, but with a sci-fi, futuristic spin.

I'm probably just saying this because I don't like seeing LSD (or any positive drugs) portrayed negatively, or associated with violence and cruelty. I'm sure you feel the same way, however, so whatever you end up doing will probably be pretty classy. smile

This is making me hope that this project actually comes to fruition, like so many before it have failed to do. Looking forward to seeing what happens.

If no one else wants it, I'd definitely be interested in trying a video for I Belong To You. I've had a few ideas for visuals for that song since I first heard it, and it would be fun to give it a shot. Right now I'm picturing it as a fanciful distraction from the rest of the plot.

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That could be cool; I Belong To You is really tongue-in-cheek and upbeat so it'd definitely fit with your quirky style razz What kinds of visuals do you mean?
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I'm thinking like a combination of really cool digital effects, with a kinda 1920s silent-movie feel. That song has always had a very magical sound to me, so I would want to incorporate some flashy, sparkly stuff.

Think Fritz Lang's Metropolis, updated, in color, by Baz Luhrmann. What I'm seeing in my head is probably a tad ambitious for what I can actually pull off right now, but frankly, this entire project seems that way. wink
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That sounds amazing, actually. That could fit in with the hallucination idea, where he get progressively more immersed in his vision and he ends up spending most of the song outside his cell.

Any ideas for the french part? In the context of the Samson & Delilah opera that it's pulled from, it's about Delilah trying to lure Samson away from leading the Hebrews (the Resistance) and to love her instead. In reality she's trying to trick him. Maybe there could be an actual opera in some burlesque fashion that fits in with the theme you mentioned?

And yeah it is indeed quite an ambitious project, which is why I came to you guys. If there are certain shots someone can't pull off, or things that other people could help with, there's nothing keeping us from working with some of the other guys! If we each work on our 5 to 7 minute clip, though, and have a few months to do it, I'm sure we can achieve some pretty excellent overall work.
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We (or you) would have to thoroughly storyboard everything beforehand so that the central vision stays present throughout everything. This way, as long as people shoot everything that's storyboarded, they can shoot more than the main stuff and it can be edited in whatever way works best.

I think there should be definite graphic designed items, like government posters, etc that stay present in the film; so that if each part were filmed separately, little banners and things of that sort could be A. composited in later or B. printed out from each user and posted somewhere in the footage. This would 'seam together' the segments more, making them look less like they came from different sources.

The benchmark for video quality, too, should be at least prosumer SD, ideally HD.
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I'll need to listen to the song again, it's been a while, but I'm thinking the French part would be the hallucination.

Maybe I could do something similar to Everything's Coming Up Roses. Film starts out with this guy trying to remember his love, and escape the harsh reality of what's going on around him, then as he's beaten into submission, he floats off into this dream sequence, and the end of the song is him coming out of it and seeing that things only got worse while he was dreaming. Dunno, something like that.

I'll listen to the song a bunch and try to come up with something cohesive.

Edit: Atom, good idea with the graphic stuff popping up throughout. Even if it's just Resistance/Anti-resistance propaganda. And I think most of us can manage to shoot HD these days, but a few scenes that aren't shot in HD might be cool, too, as long as they are still well filmed.
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I really like the consistent Resistance/Government logos and posters idea. We could do the same thing with brands, assuming brands still exist in this dystopia.

Also, I think we should set HD as the minimum video quality considering that anyone serious enough about filmmaking to properly light and compose his shots will almost certainly own an HD camera. It'll make sharing full-quality files harder, but the overall quality gain will be worth it. Certain parts could indeed be done in SD to get a certain "Guerilla" feel, though.

And storyboarding will indeed be done, but I'm thinking of personally making a rather loose storyboard that you can improve on yourself with your own style. Basically it'd depict the actions and general feel more than precise shots. Then each director would build on it and present a final shot-by-shot (more or less) storyboard for each song.

Now, what do we do about character continuity? I don't think a mask would really work, as it'd just seem odd and he'd lose it during the interrogation sequences anyway. Maybe we could do something stylistic like always having his face covered up while displaying the same somewhat unique clothes, or maybe blurring his face out as if the video's been tampered with by the Government? That'd actually fit in with the "erasing history" themes from MK Ultra, United States of Eurasia and Unnatural Selection, and we could do some cool stuff like missing frames, error messages and whatnot. It'd reduce the impact of the acting, though, which can be either a positive or a negative.

Serpent - you mentioned getting military gear... that would be really really useful, but where exactly can you ship the suff? How much would it cost?

Also, for the moment I call dibs on Unnatural Selection smile

Finally, how many of you guys could afford coming up to Montreal for a few days this summer to film "Uprising"? We could do the opener as a full-on collaboration and meet some fellow FXHomers in the process! Plus, it'd allow for some proper crowd shots with people marching in the streets if we had enough people (with creative cloning and framing, of course) smile
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The characters could all wear distinctive clothing, maybe? There's no real good way around the fact that we won't be having the same actors throughout, but hey, Terry Gilliam managed to pull it off (though, I am yet to see how successful he was...)

It'd be awesome to fly to Montreal, but I doubt I'd be able to do it. I don't even know if my passport is up to date. smile
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A couple of thoughts borrowed from other bits of the industry which may be useful...

How a bout each major character is owned by a nominated FXHomer, who will be responsible for their styling, and have input/veto on tracks that feature them for the scenes they're in? That way the character will always act to type, have consistent styling, etc. The soaps do this, to make sure the zillions of writers/directors etc always stay bang on character. Same with key locations (eg the Magistarium is always half-lit with gothic architecture as opposed to a semi in Kidderminster). And a character can't be 18 in one shoot, and 40 the next.

Production quality - SD/HD/etc - no matter what you do, you will end up with a muddle of formats and encodings, 50i, 24p, 24f, 25p, 60i, 59.97i, 480, 525, 625, 720, 1080 lines, so quality will vary wildly before you even get to bitrates, lighting, etc. I don't think that's a problem if it is not distracting, so get the characterisation right, the story compelling, and keep the viewer.

Mute - massive advantage, no audio to edit, but a guide track may be helpful for whoever pulls this all together, even have the roughly appropriate bits of the album recorded in the background! This will also help set the mood for actors and control the pacing.

Interetsingly, the "Dark Side of the Moon vs The Wizard of Oz". Caught the imagination, this can too, if done right.

Plan, plan, plan! Remember the 6 P's of filmmaking "Proper Planning Prevent P****-Poor Performance". This is a complex gig, however you cut it, so plan LOTS. And it might just work out wink
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If anything's needed from my particular areas of work (pretty much CGI stuff) then feel free to get in touch when this gets to that stage. I saw talk of sci-fi elements and that sounds right up my alley.
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That's exactly what I was thinking Aculag. I was even thinking of showing a Sandoz style bottle with "Delysid" written on it, as a nod to LSD--not many people know what delysid is. However it might be good to keep it completely ambiguous like they did in Lost. Even as a positive drug though, it was obviously used negatively by Charles Manson and the US government. I hate to see it portrayed negatively, but Men Who Stare at Goats did a good job showing both sides. I wish everyone would use it the way Leary did, with an open mind and positive set/setting. But that isn't the case. Not saying we should go out of our way to portray it negatively, but LSD culture does have a dark side. I'm sure you know this already and I know what you're saying. LSD has a negative rep for no good reason.

Anyways, I have a stretch of time until May where my friends are off at school so they can't work on films with me, so I'm going to use this time to work on MK Ultra. I was meaning to do a bunch of vfx tests for that psychedelic project, but I'll just do this instead.

Rawree, I might be contacting you soon about visuals, if that's cool. I have ideas, but not exactly sure how to go about tackling them. I'm sure you could be of assistance.
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Loving the optimism, Serpy razz Let me know when you have something to show us!

The big problem right now is character continuity, though. The only characters that appear more than once are the main guy and his love interest, who themselves appear in every song except Exogenesis. Splitting them up into different characters gets rid of the whole love story which wouldn't really work.

Let's assume we go for the "blurring/burning/artifacting their faces out" method. You lose any facial emotions, and you now only have to make sure that the actors playing them have the same basic body structure and hair colour. That means that they can't sing the lyrics or stare meaningfully at each other, nor can the main guy show that he's being brainwashed or that he's beaten, etc. The same applies to just always keeping their faces in shadow/hidden by something.

If we do as pdrg suggested and split up each song into a bunch of shots provided by a bunch of different people, we lose the "each song has a unique style" aspect, and we have to share a ton of HD video files. Each song is now a bunch of different shooting styles edited together.

We could do a lot of greenscreening, but the keying quality would vary depending on who does it, and it wouldn't look as good anyway.

Terry Gilliam pulled off plainly showing different actors in Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus after explaining at the beginning that your face changes when you're in the dream world. We could do that for the hallucination sequences if we made the guy wear distinctive clothing, but the rest of it wouldn't really work. Unless maybe we somehow get the point across that the actors changing is basically a way to say that this isn't telling the story of two specific people, but of basically everyone?

Does anyone see a way around this?
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Something along the lines of a Dr. Who regeneration...?

Just a thought smile
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Just don't make a big deal of them being different actors. Costume them in a way that's distinctive enough that they're recognisable in each incarnation but simply enough that it can be replicated by multiple directors.

I'd suggest that it might be worth approaching this almost like a piece of theatre rather than a conventional film or as a series of shorts. What I mean is that the scenes/songs are set in a series of locations which are directly interconnected by doorways and the main characters move in a linear fashion through the scenes where various events happen. Each song would be confined to a location which the character(s) enter at the beginning and exit at the end of the song. Say, for example that our hero is making some big passionate speech to the underground resistance at the end of Unnatural Selection. Big Brother goons rush in and break up the meeting during all the big riffs at the end and man-handle him through a door as the song finishes. As MK Ultra starts he's thrown through a doorway into the mind control room, the actor is different but the costume and hair-style (or whatever) are the same and the angles that it's shot at imply that the doorways are somehow connected by gypsy magic (or whatever). All very stylised and slick unlike this explanation of the idea.
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That... that's brilliant! We don't have to necessarily make everything take place in one location, but using doorways as a passage into the next director's world would make perfect sense, and look really cool smile
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There is no naming or specificness to the main characters on the album. In a setting like the one all of the storyline is riding on, the main characters would be dealing with the same things MOST people in the world would be dealing with.

Which means, Actor similarities matter very little. There can be multiple, unrelated couples around the world dealing with the same issues.
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Whoa, I REALLY like that, Bryce.

Basically it could be like one of those commercials where people all recite the same monologue and it cuts back and forth between them, only it's telling a story. Yeah, that's a good idea. That, plus pdrg's doors idea, and this is sounding really doable.

Serpent, I definitely like the idea of a Sandoz style thing. You can take inspiration from that and still be ambiguous. That will be a nice reference! Also, apparently, I'm going to have to check out The Men Who Stare At Goats. I had no idea that's what that was about.
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I actually hated The Men Who Stare At Goats, but that might be because I didn't understand any of it at all smile
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I don't think you're alone. I seem to recall that I decided not to see it when it got panned by critics. Still, I didn't really know what it was about until today. Sounds pretty interesting!
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Pooky wrote:

I actually hated The Men Who Stare At Goats, but that might be because I didn't understand any of it at all smile
The book was MUCH better - totally worth reading.
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Aculag wrote:

That, plus pdrg's doors idea
Most generous of you to attribute it to me, but I think that one was Rawree's - credit where due wink
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I actually rather disliked MWSAG, but parts of it were good and certain ideas were well done. I guess I didn't totally dislike it, but it was mediocre and forgettable. You should still give it a watch. Excellent cast.
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pdrg wrote:

Aculag wrote:

That, plus pdrg's doors idea
Most generous of you to attribute it to me, but I think that one was Rawree's - credit where due wink
Aw crap. Too many ideas to keep track of! wink
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Bryce, would you be interested in directing a part of this? We need 3-4 more directors!

Oh and yeah, sorry Rawree razz

I've modified the plot outline so that it better applies to the population as a whole instead of two specific characters (many thanks to user forevermusic on the Official Muse Forums). As you can see from the abundance of red, this basically changes everything:

Uprising
The people of Eurasia start a revolution against the powers that be in Eurasia. This Resistance begins a campaign of rioting and protesting against the government and what they are doing, as shown by huge cries and demonstrations outside Parliament buildings.

Resistance
The intro is the government trying to quell the rioting and prisoning Resistance members. Then when the main drums kick in, we are introduced to and start following these two Resistance members (man and a woman) running away. They start to bond over the course of the song. Towards the end, the government begins to close in and they're trying to run. At the end the main Resistance command rescues the two and they get away just before the government arrives.

Undisclosed Desires
This is basically a more in-depth look at the developing relationship between the man and the woman and how it's evolving under the stress of the Resistance's agenda. It's the most in-love part of the record. The man basically comforts and congratulates the girl as they pass through hardships. She's changing before his eyes because of the suffering, and he's trying to hold on to her innocence.

United States of Eurasia (+Collateral Damage)
This is the Resistance doing a call to arms, calling on the peoples of Eurasia to unite as one massive superstate and overthrow the oppressors in charge. A large part of the clip would basically show the old powers being overthrown, flags being changed, statues taken down, etc. At the end they succeed in the ambition, creating The United States of Eurasia, and a martial cry of "Eura-SIA!" rings throughout the land. Collateral Damage (the chopin piano piece at the end) could essentially be a montage of the destruction that has taken place across Eurasia in the creation of the new superstage.

Guiding Light
The Resistance is going quiet but the woman has suffered during the unifying of Eurasia, feeling ignored by the man, and she no longer feels the same. And this shows this is rubbing off on the man as the woman leaves him. This is the last he ever sees of her, despite his attempts at holding on to her in his crushed, cold and confused state.

Unnatural Selection
The man, broken-hearted and angry at the world, is seeing that the Eurasian government is simply repeating the mistakes of the last governments, and he asserts that it's a random process that got them to positions of power (an "Unnatural Selection"). He leads another, more violent charge by the Resistance against them. This fails, and he gets captured at the end.

MK Ultra
MK Ultra being a mind control program, the new Eurasian state attempts to brainwash him into falling in line with both powerful drugs and Clockwork Orange-like psychological torture. They don't succeed by the end of the song, but they are obviously getting closer and closer, breaking through his mental barriers until suddenly we are transported into a drug-fuelled vision. This transition either takes place at the end of MK Ultra or at the beginning of IBTY.

I Belong To You (+Mon coeur s'oure à ta voix)
In this vision, the man travels to find the woman again, and apologizes to her. She's mad, but he says he belongs to her. As the hallucination fades away, we see a nuke start to go off in the distance, which leads to...

Exogenesis
Skip ahead to much later, when the Earth is basically destroyed. Sounds like everybody is confused and lost and don't know who they are or what they're doing there. They send some people out into space to repopulate somewhere else. The people that stay on earth wish they had another chance. The actual space launch sequence could be supplemented by a somewhat psychedelic animation sequence based on the album art and booklet art, provided by Arktic, which would also double as a reference to 2001: A Space Odyssey.
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Wow, you guys are really taking off with this. When I get home I'm going to have a proper read and put some ideas down.

It's already been said, I think, but I wouldn't worry about not having character continuity. Having the same characters in multiple songs would actually lessen it's impact, I think: The Resistance's story is about an entire planet going to hell, I don't think focusing on two specific people is the way to go.

Having a large cast, with the filmmaking taking place all around the world, in very different locations, and with very different styles, seems exactly the kind of treatment a story on this scale needs.
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I could handle "Unnatural selection" quite nicely.

I'd likely shoot it on a rented EX-1. I'd put quite a lot of effort into this, and use "Graphic novel" style frame composition. Extremely gritty, with some moments of liberal slow-motion usage.

It IS the longest song on the album, but I could handle it if I had someone talented with visual effects helping me with some green screen and compositing.

Also, I think some members with CGI skills would benefit this project tremendously as well. Perhaps we could create a sheet of compositing/visual effects shots the various directors will need to complete their vision.
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Aye, we've got Rawree on the ready for some CGI, but I doubt he can handle ALL of it, so if anyone else is up let us know. Regarding compositing and visual effects, it's one of my strong suits but it depends on the effect, so you can always let me know. We'll definitely do a sheet of required SFX for each director though, that's a good idea.

I had called dibs on Unnatural Selection, but seeing what you'd do with it is well worth giving that up biggrin Technically, though, Exogenesis is the longest song in the album with its 15 minutes.

Also an idea: for United States of Eurasia, we should have shots of a bunch of different people in a bunch of different locations around Eurasia (I could handle Russia), which means that it'd be a collaborative song.

Of the ones remaining, Uprising is the one that interests me most, though I couldn't pull that one off with the scale and grandeur that I imagine without a bunch of people. If nobody can travel to Montreal, maybe we can find somewhere that isn't too far from it to meet up instead? Would that help? razz It'd have to be European-looking.

Finally, just to summarize, so far we have:

Uprising - Possibly me
Resistance
Undisclosed Desires
United States of Eurasia - Collaborative
Guiding Light
Unnatural Selection - Bryce 007
MK Ultra - Serpent
I Belong To You - Aculag
Exogenesis - Atomic Productions

I get the feeling that the love stories are going to be hard to find a director for smile

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I could always take the Collateral Damage segment, or "The Resistance". I'd consider Exogenesis, but I'd require a rather large amount of CGI for that, so Atomic is probably the best bet on that.


Anyways, I'll take anything but "Guiding light". I'm not a fan of it whatsoever.
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No, no, take Unnatural Selection, you're much better than I am, especially with action, so it's perfect for you smile
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I could offer up an entirely CGI/Animated segment of some kind for one of the songs depending on the amount of work that various people might want doing for their parts. Perhaps something near the middle of the album as a more abstract middle section/interlude. Guiding light perhaps? Might break things up nicely between the pull back of the first batch of songs and the release of the second batch. Food for thought as I don't have any specific thoughts at the moment.

EDIT: Having said that I do actually have one or two ideas which might work quite nicely for it if you're up for it.
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Well Exogenesis would require quite a lot of spaceship work considering it is 15 minutes long, and Bryce and Serpent will both require what I assume is relatively minor work in comparison.

Maybe Collateral Damage could be CGI if you can get it photoreal? The thing with Guiding Light is it'd need some rather extensive character animation, unless of course you found a more artistic way to tell the same story. Let me know if you come up with anything smile

By the way, I emailed Warner Licensing just to see what they'd say. I think they misunderstood my request neutral Guess it'd just be better to distribute it for free.


-----Original Message-----
From: Eric D.
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:06 PM
To: SayItWithMusicCA, MB
Subject: Muse - The Resistance fan video

Hello,

I would like to know if it would be legally acceptable for me and lots
of other Muse fans to create a film made to match with their "The
Resistance" album and to sell DVDs of it, except without any sound (the
idea would be to start playing the album at the same time). Would we be
allowed to use the Muse name on the DVD cover simply to inform them to
do so?

Otherwise, if we simply distribute it for free, would we be safe?

Thanks for your time!
Eric D.

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Hi Eric,
Unfortunately, we cannot approve your request. We would also require
band approval and they are extremely selective about the projects they
lend their name/music to.
They are also very expensive.
Sorry, but your request is denied.
Kind regards,
Temi



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Collateral Damage actually might not be a bad shout. Again I have an idea or two which may be worth developing when I have a chance.
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It's irrelevant what Warner says as long as no one is selling something they themselves produced.

Now, listing the name "Muse" on the packaging of the product would cause a problem most likely.

(Also, I didn't realize this project was for profit?)
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Just avoid the words 'Muse' and 'The Resistance', instead talk about 'your favourite band' and 'your favourite album' - we can let the community carry the details of which band/album it was designed for. Keeps it kinda underground and fun too...

BTW I'd suggest giving this away as opposed to selling it - selling it will lead to all kinds of problems with who takes how much, when, from what contribution, etc. Instead give it away under Creative Commons and you'll get a much wider audience wink
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Yeah, it'll be creative commons. I was just considering our options razz
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I'm not a muse fan, and probably can't help with this but damn does it sounds immense. I was reading through the topic and getting more and more excited as it went on. This is a brilliant idea, if you can get it past the legal isssues it would be a massive achievement for the community and really a testament to independent filmaking. Will be following this closely.
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I think as long as each person working on this releases their work under a "Creative Commons Attribution-Non-Commercial-Share Alike 2.0", it should mean that

1) Nobody can sell work everyone has done for free
2) Everyone has to be credited in the final work
3) Everyone can work on each others bits (eg editing, effects, etc)

So as long as it releases with no copyrighted material in it (especially music!!), that's the legals taken care of.

I've had an idea - no soundtrack to the film, so...

What do you reckon wink
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pdrg wrote:


I've had an idea - no soundtrack to the film, so...

What do you reckon wink
Give the man a medal! Or better yet an Fxhome award? wink
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pdrg, you're a genius. surprised

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Also, when timing this, we need to use a standard in iTunes or something. Like, no crossfades or delays or w/e. Otherwise the timing will be off too much.

I'm sending my camera to get fixed tomorrow, but when I get it back I'll start working on this. I'll start scouting tomorrow or the next day too.

And we do need to put a MUTE logo somewhere on it, fantastic. smile
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I'm thinking we go the "Insert CD into computer, play in iTunes" route. Now, assuming everyone here's bought it already, we could just make one big 50-minute sound file and base our work off on that timing... although technically, considering everyone here is only doing one song at a time, it'd only have to be me that has to worry with the overall timing between songs when I put it all together razz
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how about making one big movie about the guy with a girl and he starts a resistance against the government but the girl doesn't like it, leaves him, he leads the resistance, gets crushed (and the resistance brainwashed), but he escapes, finds the girl, falls in love again, together they get a small group and finally overthrow the government???
Layer it with songs. Just my suggestion guys.
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Well there we go then, the
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This license lets others remix, tweak, and build upon your work non-commercially, as long as they credit you and license their new creations under the identical terms. Others can download and redistribute your work just like the by-nc-nd license, but they can also translate, make remixes, and produce new stories based on your work. All new work based on yours will carry the same license, so any derivatives will also be non-commercial in nature.
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Awesome smile Here's the new official logo for this project, then! (scaled down, of course)





We can avoid mentioning any other names by just telling people to "Play your favourite album in the background", and having the sync points work by track numbers ("First note of Track 03 in 3...2...1..."). Exogenesis would then be known as "Tracks 09 to 11" smile


Anyway, come on now, are you guys all too pansy to take on the love bits? We need three more for Resistance, Undisclosed Desires and Guiding Light!
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I'd be down to do a segment. I'd just have to ask around and see if any of my film friends are Muse fans. I'm not a HUGE Muse fan myself, but seeing all the FXHome greats put together something like this would be pretty f*cking awesome, if you ask me.

EDIT: Failed to realize there were 5 pages of discussion before me!

I'd have to give a listen through the whole album again, but I might be down to tackle one of the more emotional/love story ones. I have all of New York City at my disposal, so if we want to show a story from a different, but still very easily recognizable place (which I think is awesome - give it a more global scale), we can do that. I can get equipment most likely (GL2 just ain't gonna cut it anymore, I reckon).
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I'm going to take a closer look at the project tonight and will let you know how involved I can get. I'd love to take a segment, but it'll depend on my local team!

Also: although each segment is going to be done by a different team, it's crucial to have overlapping elements - like the propaganda posters. But also perhaps even the cast - as long as we're all shooting HD we should be able to mix and match footage to a degree, and with clever use of greenscreen we could even have actors from separate teams interact or be in the same scenes.

I think that would help give it proper global scale, rather than being lots of vaguely connected but separate segments.

Edit: I slightly changed the subject of this topic to better show that this is a community project, rather than an official FXhome (the company) project.
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Good call on the greenscreen stuff, Tarn. I'll probably end up shooting a lot of mine that way, mostly because I don't have many actors.
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I'm pondering the best way to manage this project. Doing it all through this topic is going to fairly rapidly get a bit crazy.

I wonder whether some kind of custom Wiki is what we need? So we can all access and share and update information quickly and easily, and hyperlink it all up nicely.

In terms of publicity, once the project gets off the ground it'd be good to give it its own website with a regularly updated blog (that any of the cast/crew/teams can update whenever they want), that tracks the production all the way through.

I should have time to give the project some proper thought tonight - I'll be sure to post up my thoughts.
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Yeah, a Wiki would work as we could have different sections for each song, production aspect, etc, so long as we have some sort of indicator of which user added what when. We could fit in a "requests" section where people could post what they need help with, as well as a storyboard section, etc. I'll start looking into some wiki solutions.

Regarding an official website, that would be cool, though we'd probably have to shell out for some independent hosting as I imagine it'd end up getting quite a lot of hits, especially when we start putting it on sites like Digg. Unless someone here is a web designer and coder, we could go for a blog engine like Wordpress and make a skin for it. That'd allow us to have multiple admins, as well as have different pages for production shots and the like. Check out my own site as an example.
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Yeah, I'd go for Wordpress myself. Even the free .com version is very flexible. I use it for both of my main websites:

http://tarnimus.wordpress.com/

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http://potentialgamer.com/

The latter in particular is heavily customised, by xcession, so I paid for the CSS access, but that's pretty cheap. Also paid for the potentialgamer.com address, but that's also extremely cheap as long as it's not taken.
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http://mute.wikidot.com/start here you go Pooky, a start at a wiki wink

OK so it's a bit of a dead end just now, but this, or a similar free service should do everything we need? Limitation of this one is it is all out in the open, only 5 private members, but I like out in the open, and it may attract other people to come and help?
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Listened to the resistance some more to day, and it's finally starting to grow on me. Couple of points on the project, firstly regarding the main character being a different actor in each filmakers version, could all the shorts be filmed from his P.O.V and if there is any shots where we need to see him, then have it worked out in advance and green screen him in, would cut down on the green screen work if it was used just to tie segments together.

Also, how about linking the shorts together with spoken shorts, similar to war of the worlds, where there are the album tracks with a story being acted out inbetween, it would get in the way of the album playing though, maybe have the song title fade up on the screen to let the viewer know when the next song is starting.
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Does this mean I can take Collateral Damage as a little CGI folly then? If you're happy to let me have it as a separate song from USoE. Being instrumental and a kind of linky section it leaves quite a lot open for an idea I have to show the conflict and changes sweeping across Eurasia in a more abstract and artsy way.
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I found one that has unlimited private members, but its only limitation is it's open to the public. I agree that it can be a positive, though. It even has a mini-forum, too! I think we should graduate to the Wiki once we've got all the directors, as right now FXHome is giving us more exposure smile

http://fxhome-mute.wikispaces.com/

@Rawree - Yeah, if you think you can do something cool with it, then sure!

@MikeQ - POV shots could be interesting, but they're somewhat hard to do. Integrating some of them in some sections could be a good idea, though! Although I don't think interludes would be a good idea, as you'd have to have sync points all over the place if it didn't fit the album perfectly.

@Evman - Awesome if you can take a section. Regarding New York as a setting, we can definitely use some shots from there, but I don't think we could use it as the location for the main Resistance story as it's supposed to take place in Eurasia. During the live show I went to, the giant screens show North America turning red near the end of "United States of Eurasia", so I'm pretty sure it doesn't fare very well, heh.

@Tarn - Wow, didn't know the free Wordpress thing was so good. We'd just have to make sure it's Digg-ready and such. Also, is this thread worthy of being made a Sticky? smile
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Yeah the way I interpret it - once the Resistance takes over after United States of Eurasia, they end up with control of most of the world. I'd assume a new regime that powerful would go to war with other powerful regimes around the world, taking them over too.

The New York segment could come after the takeover in USoE - show that the new regime has taken over everything. Also portions of it could be used in USoE itself to show that the takeover itself is global.

Unfortunately since we don't all live in Europe/Asia, we're gonna have to expand the threshold for interpretation of the songs. I'd rather not do total greenscreen stuff, as that'd just end up looking bad.

I've polled a few of my film friends and so far I've got a few bites, so chances are good I can pull something together. Only hitch is I might not have access to everything/everyone over the summer, depending on whether people are going home for summer break or not.

But yeah, I've been getting more and more excited about this. Count me in! smile
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Could the track, guiding light, be a retrospective of sorts, in that the man would be tired from his battle, and losing his girl, and he's re-living the past events. So you yourself could edit a section together from earlier shorts... maybe
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@MikeQ - Hmm, well we could definitely have him think back on past events and cut in some bits, but that can't be the whole clip. Good idea, though.

@Evman - That makes sense! Seeing as this would happen after USoE, could you do Guiding Light, then? Admittedly, it's the least inspired song on the record, but it's one of the love bits and it could take place in New York, and there's that pretty great guitar section/solo in the middle. Ooh, here's something I just thought of: maybe the whole thing about "You were my guiding light" could also be a reference to how America used to be a Guiding Light before the USoE formed and took over? Or maybe the opposite. Anyway, that could be really awesome parallel!
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EDIT: This post was in response to Mike Q - as for doing Guiding Light - it's a possibility!

I personally would rather not do that, and I feel like the consensus is to have as much of the project be original as possible - cutting together stuff from the past half hour seems a bit of a cop-out. Definitely flashbacks from some segments could be incorporated into different ones, but I feel like the charm of this project would be that we didn't cut any corners like that.

Also I think showing other countries (especially a locale as easily recognizable as NYC) would give the entire project a more epic and global feel - like it's been put together by many many people from all over the world (which it is).
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It appears that we now only have Resistance and Undisclosed Desires left, then! I might be willing to give up my "Uprising" spot and take up Undisclosed Desires if someone really talented shows up, though smile
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We need to get the propaganda posters done asap. Anyone feel up to the job?
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Yeah, just so they're more striking I think they should be a red-orange colour with some black text and graphics, with a printing-press look which means as much contrast as possible and not too much transparency. I might give it a shot later on, but I get the feeling someone here might be better (Atomic?).
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Sort of soviet poster propoganda art style?





I love the look those guys created, some amazing art
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[quote="Evman"]EDIT: This post was in response to Mike Q - as for doing Guiding Light - it's a possibility!

I personally would rather not do that, and I feel like the consensus is to have as much of the project be original as possible - cutting together stuff from the past half hour seems a bit of a cop-out. Definitely flashbacks from some segments could be incorporated into different ones, but I feel like the charm of this project would be that we didn't cut any corners like that.quote]
I certainly didn't mean it as a way of cutting corners, just a song to reflect on what has happened, what he's lost etc, but I understand why you'd want everything fresh.
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A basic, rough, ugly concept that sort of shows what I'm talking about.
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what era is it????
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Either in an alternate present or a very near future. smile
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A few story suggestions below...

Pooky wrote:

Uprising
The people of Eurasia start a revolution against the powers that be in Eurasia. This Resistance begins a campaign of rioting and protesting against the government and what they are doing, as shown by huge cries and demonstrations outside Parliament buildings.
Feels to me like this first segment should tie it all into the modern, real world. That should be where the story starts, so it has a foundation that it can then use to leap off into the sci-fi dystopia.

To do this I think it would work really nicely to weave in genuine snippets of news reports/coverage - although I don't know the legal issues of doing that.

Thus with the song talking about paranoia, red tape, loss of power, fat cats etc, it feels like to fictionalise it all would be to cheapen the issues. It doesn't have to be overt and in your face, but background details or semi-subliminal nods towards things like the Patriot Act, the Digital Economy Bill, ACTA, Lehman Brothers, bank bailouts, China firewall, etc etc.

Resistance
The intro is the government trying to quell the rioting and prisoning Resistance members. Then when the main drums kick in, we are introduced to and start following these two Resistance members (man and a woman) running away. They start to bond over the course of the song. Towards the end, the government begins to close in and they're trying to run. At the end the main Resistance command rescues the two and they get away just before the government arrives.
The key here, I think, is to not let it reduce down to a couple of people running away from people in riot police gear, which we've all seen a million times. Feels like this needs something more to make it more original.

Perhaps show the efforts of the resistance to subvert the government's own propaganda by using their techniques against them? (foreshadowing the fact that Eurasia ends up being just as bad)

Undisclosed Desires
This is basically a more in-depth look at the developing relationship between the man and the woman and how it's evolving under the stress of the Resistance's agenda. It's the most in-love part of the record. The man basically comforts and congratulates the girl as they pass through hardships. She's changing before his eyes because of the suffering, and he's trying to hold on to her innocence.
Have you guys seen In The Mood For Love? It's all about repressed love, and being unable to express yourself - in that film it's due to cultural reasons, as I recall. But it feels like Undisclosed Desires would work best if it hardly had ANY 'love' in it - if it was all background, in tiny glances, movements of hands, clever framing etc. Except perhaps for one pivotal moment, which could segue nicely into the fanfare of USoE.

On this note: in some ways this feels like the most adult of all the pieces. I'm not saying it needs full frontal sexy bits smile but it needs a delicate touch, and if there is some kind of pivotal release at the end then we need to make sure that whoever is making it (or, more specifically, acting in it) can handle it.

Also: Why are these two not allowed to be together? There needs to be a proper reason. Is it simply that all marriages/births have to be arranged? Is it that one is black and one is white? One is Christian, one is Muslim? Are they gay? Let's make the song have a statement, rather than just be about two generic people in a huff. I'm thinking now of V For Vendetta, with the imprisoned girl's story that Evey finds.

United States of Eurasia (+Collateral Damage)
This is the Resistance doing a call to arms, calling on the peoples of Eurasia to unite as one massive superstate and overthrow the oppressors in charge. A large part of the clip would basically show the old powers being overthrown, flags being changed, statues taken down, etc. At the end they succeed in the ambition, creating The United States of Eurasia, and a martial cry of "Eura-SIA!" rings throughout the land. Collateral Damage (the chopin piano piece at the end) could essentially be a montage of the destruction that has taken place across Eurasia in the creation of the new superstage.
This song is a lot about war. It feels like the uprising has led to actual major conflagrations around the world: pointless wars that nobody remembers how they started. Feels like this needs to be shown somehow - which could be pretty difficult.

Also, I feel that the man and woman need to be separated during this song, to provide a counter emotion to the victory of EURASIA. As the chant grows louder, they find themselves split apart (I'm thinking of Christian Bale being separated from his parents in Empire of the Sun, for some reason).

Guiding Light
The Resistance is going quiet but the woman has suffered during the unifying of Eurasia, feeling ignored by the man, and she no longer feels the same. And this shows this is rubbing off on the man as the woman leaves him. This is the last he ever sees of her, despite his attempts at holding on to her in his crushed, cold and confused state.
With the couple already separated, this needs to be about one or both of them reminiscing about the other. Maybe the man is now in a position of power, having succeeded during the resistance, but finds himself hating that responsibility and mourning her; while the woman is imprisoned somewhere, tortured either by the remains of the previous regime or by the Eurasian government due to mistaken identity (this could link back into whatever reason they were not allowed to be together in the first place).

So you could actually show both of them missing their 'guiding light', while in wildly different situations.

Unnatural Selection
The man, broken-hearted and angry at the world, is seeing that the Eurasian government is simply repeating the mistakes of the last governments, and he asserts that it's a random process that got them to positions of power (an "Unnatural Selection"). He leads another, more violent charge by the Resistance against them. This fails, and he gets captured at the end.
This could work very nicely if the man is in fact in a position of power by the end of USoE. He could feel that he HIMSELF rose to that position through unnatural selection. So now he's rebelling against himself, not just the state - I think that would be a more nteresting theme, as otherwise we could just be repeating ourselves (which I know is kinda the point, but still).

MK Ultra
MK Ultra being a mind control program, the new Eurasian state attempts to brainwash him into falling in line with both powerful drugs and Clockwork Orange-like psychological torture. They don't succeed by the end of the song, but they are obviously getting closer and closer, breaking through his mental barriers until suddenly we are transported into a drug-fuelled vision. This transition either takes place at the end of MK Ultra or at the beginning of IBTY.
If this is the guy, having failed, then it seems that this whole song should be a trick, like a Chris Nolan film, or Fight Club. Maybe thinking he's being reunited, only to have her taken away again. Maybe also have him run through alternate realities, so examine the ways things COULD have gone: what if the government hadn't been oppressive in the first place, what if they'd been allowed to be together, what if USoEurasia had been formed without violence, what if he'd had the strength to decline a position of power, what if...etc.

I'd also recommend the episode 'Intersections in Real Time' of the 1990s show Babylon 5 for some nice ideas on how to show an endless interrogation for an entire episode. It's season 4, episode 18. Might be on Hulu for US people?

Of course, from this segment onwards, there's no guarantee that anything the viewer is watching is real/true.

I Belong To You (+Mon coeur s'oure à ta voix)
In this vision, the man travels to find the woman again, and apologizes to her. She's mad, but he says he belongs to her. As the hallucination fades away, we see a nuke start to go off in the distance, which leads to...
Limiting "I belong to you" to the man and woman doesn't seem thematic enough. The concept of "I belong to you" shouldn't just be about them. It should be about him belonging to Eurasia. About Eurasia belonging to everybody. About how everything is intertwined.

In the end, they all belong to the Bomb.

Exogenesis
Skip ahead to much later, when the Earth is basically destroyed. Sounds like everybody is confused and lost and don't know who they are or what they're doing there. They send some people out into space to repopulate somewhere else. The people that stay on earth wish they had another chance. The actual space launch sequence could be supplemented by a somewhat psychedelic animation sequence based on the album art and booklet art, provided by Arktic, which would also double as a reference to 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Could even end with a special coda of the guy waking up, still in his MK Ultra cell, still being tortured, but now with a vision of the future and of some kind of salvation.

Right, I'm going to go lie down now.

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I thought it would be in bayonets/revolvers era.

My feature film idea got rejected, right???
Guess it is too expensive, but ou can do it kinda abstract, like the posters.
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Tarn - great notes.

I think a way to make "Guiding Light" more interesting and to also tie in New York if we're gonna do that is that the woman has fled Eurasia to America, and this segment could cut back and forth between them, maybe as the new Eurasia preps for an assault on America?

Just a supplement to that thought, but great analysis Tarn.
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Tarn - Awesome stuff. I agree with everything, except Unnatural Selection. I don't think the man should get to a position of power, as we want the story to apply to the Resistance as a whole (thus the changing of actors), and making him be one single leader would make it too specific.

So, applying Evman's Guiding Light concept to Unnatural Selection, we get what I'd said about the guy fighting against the new government, intercut with scenes of the assault on America (and possibly the girl getting caught up in it?). Then yeah, MK Ultra as a song with a fake story would be awesome, and then him waking up still in MK Ultra after all of it is brilliant smile
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To do this I think it would work really nicely to weave in genuine snippets of news reports/coverage - although I don't know the legal issues of doing that.
Nah, won't happen dude, those guys guard their stock footage closer than anyone - best deal I ever got was 4' for £1500, they usually hit you up for a grand a minute...
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There's got the be some footage somewhere that depicts world hunger, wars, public protests and so on that can be used for nonprofit films?
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Pooky wrote:

Tarn - Awesome stuff. I agree with everything, except Unnatural Selection. I don't think the man should get to a position of power, as we want the story to apply to the Resistance as a whole (thus the changing of actors), and making him be one single leader would make it too specific.
Good point, it shouldn't be the same character.

However, I still think having that later character be in a position of power would make things far more interesting.

ie, the first resistance we see is 'the people' resisting against 'the government' - resistance from outside, in a way.

The second resistance is with members of a corrupt government deciding "right, this is enough. I'm going to go find my morals, which I abandoned so many years ago." What could make a corrupt politician change his mind and decide to make a stand? Does that mean we can forgive him for everything else he did?

The resistance fighter up against the government is such a familiar setup, I think it would be good to see the flipside.

But it's your thing, dude. smile
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I can host a wiki on my server. I've got one here:

http://cpostudios.com/wiki

I can make it totally private except for members, or partially public, etc. That might be better than a free option? Let me know if you want me to do this and I can make it happen by tomorrow.

Also, I think a lot of the visuals should be inspired by the stock video they show at the Resistance tour. The tour DVD may come out before post production is finished, but if not you can find stills and footage around the net.

My sister actually shot almost the entire show from the front row, so I've got a lot of stuff I could put up for inspiration. Here are a few stills from that show as examples:

http://cpostudios.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Picture-33.png
http://cpostudios.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Picture-32.png
http://cpostudios.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Picture-37.png (In motion it was panning across faces as they morphed and changed, it was very cool)
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@Serpent - Hmm, well I think for all intents and purposes the one I posted would actually do the job, but your might indeed be better and more full-featured. Can you get a basic one up and send me some admin privileges so I can toy around as well?

Regarding the Resistance imagery, as amazing as the visuals were, live, I'm not sure how we could really integrate too much of it. There's the stuff with the eyes, faces, the USoE map, maybe a bit of the DOS text and DNA strands from Resistance or red shapes from Uprising, but generally speaking it's the sort of stuff we could come up with ourselves, I think. Maybe what we could do would be to have some references to it? Like easter eggs, of sorts.

Also, amazing that she actually managed to photograph that show. I brought a camera to mine, but the second Uprising started I just thought, "To hell with that!" and started jumping around biggrin

@Tarn - Yeah I think I better understand what you mean from that post. So long as the character changing makes sense, then yeah having it be from a guy in position of power would indeed be more interesting, thematically.
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i agree with u - uprising ALWAYS gets to me.

Can someone tell me if this is a short, a feature or shorts pasted together???

Cool ideas
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Dude, you might want to read the thread before posting razz It's a collaborative feature.
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@Pooky

She's dedicated. smile

But I just meant as a general inspiration, not to necessarily take anything directly from it. Muse has always been very visual, and they've always had a somewhat consistent style since Showbiz. I just think the directors should take that into consideration when visually directing their sections. And easter eggs would definitely be cool. I've got some ideas on how to use those eyes (our own version) in MK Ultra.

Yeah, I'll try to get a Mute wiki going and I'll PM you with your account information. If you approve, we can get everyone registered. I can host anything that needs to be hosted on this project that isn't going public. So with the wiki I'll see if I can set up an FTP for us to use as well. This will be useful for keeping your song's wiki updated with media, and for transferring files to each other.
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Rating: +1

Just a sidenote FYI, I'm up for creating the propoganda posters. I can have them done by the end of this week.
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@Serpent - Sweet, if you've got the capacity (and speed!) to transfer HD files, that'd be awesome.

We should settle on a video format for sharing files, actually. Any of you more techy types have a suggestion for the best codec for the job?

Regarding the style, yeah certainly. Before we go into full production, we can just have everyone watch a bunch of Muse music videos and see some Muse album artwork just to get an idea of their style.

@Ben - Awesome! smile
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Just a suggestion - I know there's been talk of storyboarding, but we might want to take it to the next level.

If we storyboard everything it would probably be worth our while to digitize the images (if they're not already), and throw them in Final Cut or something and genuinely create an entire version of the whole thing before we even shoot anything. Or at least most of it in a rough form.

This'll give everyone a better idea of what we're trying to create - and will actually be effective since the whole thing is JUST picture and music... and the music we already have... Create a compressed version of all the images played with the music and we have our reference bible for the entire thing.

And even if we don't get exact storyboards for the whole thing, we could do it on a part by part basis, so all the directors can see what everyone else is doing, so we can try to formulate some sort of consistent world.



On a different note, has anyone seen "Paris, je t'aime" or "New York, I Love You"? I've only seen the latter, but the way that it blends a whole bunch of different shorts together through a consistent world and some recurring characters/locations/themes is really interesting and I suggest giving it a watch to get an idea for how we can make so many disparate styles seem like they rest in the same continuum without betraying each director's style/vision.
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That's a good idea- we already would have to digitize the images to show them on here, so making a rough cut in Final Cut with the music we already have would likely be immensely helpful. As soon as we get the last three directors, scriptwriting and storyboarding is definitely something we'd have to get to doing. Is anyone here good at storyboarding? I'm not awful myself, but having some relatively high quality art would make it easier to understand.

Also, if you guys know some talented filmmakers, please let them know about this. Resistance, Undisclosed Desires, United States of Eurasia and possibly Uprising are still up for grabs.
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I know plenty of people who COULD help out, it's just a matter of if they want to. Also we'd run into location limitations again, cause everyone I know would basically be staying in NY. I've already got a few people willing to help me out on my segment - perhaps if I can amass a big enough team of people who are interested we could split into two groups shooting two segments?

I'll definitely forward anyone I encounter this link. Though getting a wiki together or some sort of website would be AMAZINGLY helpful, and is something that should be up and running ASAP! At 8 pages, this thread is good for us FXHomers, but not so great for anyone not acquainted with the site. To get anyone interested, we'd need a more organized space to work.

EDIT: Realized I know a few people who might be going abroad in the fall - mostly to European places. A few friends may be going to Prague. If they get in I'll talk to them about maybe getting some shots for us to use a backdrops, or even shooting an entire segment while there if they'd be interested

EDIT 2: So I've asked around and I've now got at least one, maybe two dedicated people willing to storyboard for us. At least my segment, maybe more, depending on the workload (that would be a lot of boards). These are decent storyboarders too, not just stick figures, etc. I think the more people we can get getting these boards done would help. If we have a rough version (forgive the pun) penciled out, then we can use that to keep momentum going and to have something concrete to point to and say "when it's done it'll look like that" to lure potential actors, crew, etc.
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I'd be willing to do my own storyboards for my section. I've got artist friends who can help me out on any challenging drawings.

I thought USoE was going to be a collaborative song? Or was that just an early idea? Either way is cool.

My server should be good for transferring HD files, good bandwidth, fast, lotsa space. Just make sure each file is only downloaded once, and it is deleted as soon as it is transferred. Can't promise the FTP will be ready now, I'll get it going when we need the feature. But the wiki will be up tomorrow night (or in the AM) if installation goes smoothly.

Can't wait to see the propaganda art!
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@Ben - Oh yeah, one thing about the posters, try and have them reference Muse somehow, like incorporating a lyric or something similar. Then we could use them for guerilla marketing smile

@Serpy - Oh yeah, so many ideas here I'd actually forgotten I'd said that about USoE biggrin Yeah, it'll be collaborative and either the last or first thing we do, so take that song out of the list from my previous post. razz
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I'd really advise to make the Wiki entirely publicly viewable, as it'll help people get interested in the project - either to work on it, or to watch it. Should keep it only editable by team members, though, at least for now.

Edit: In a very, very loosely related topic: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/16/china-proposes-trans.html
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That can be arranged, and I totally agree. And if we need any wiki pages to be private, we can make them so.

That train would be amazing.

And speaking of raising public interest, I think a site with a blog like suggested earlier should be made. Pooky or someone could be the main writer, and the directors could make posts about their progress. Again, I can host, but we need to think of a domain name and purchase it. I'd actually be willing to pay for it too. Any ideas for a domain? This will tell you if it's available:

http://instantdomainsearch.com/

muteproject.com?
projectmute.com?
somethingelse.com?

Once a website is created and we get a tiny bit of progress (maybe when the posters are done), we should attempt to spread the word to Muse fans. Muse.mu forums would probably be the best place to start. Would be cool to get some support and it would encourage us to work methinks.

If I'm getting ahead of myself let me know. smile I just think this could be huge.
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A few key things:

- Beware actors' ages. If your actors are teenagers, for example, make sure your story segment makes sense for teenage characters.

- Be aware of your technical/budgetary limitations. If your camera produces stuff that looks very much like 'video', then design your piece to make best use of that (CCTV/surveillance/found footage/etc).
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Here are my thoughts for I Belong To You, trying to incorporate the ideas I've seen thrown around already, but adding my own flavor.

It's a side-story, separate from the main plot, but still tied into it at the end. It would start with a man (different from the "main character", but still part of the resistance) getting off a plane [perhaps this plane can be shown at the end of MK Ultra as a transition], where he's searched by guards and cleared to enter the city. Whatever city he's in is overrun by soldiers and propaganda, but people mostly still carry on and go about their lives. Think Nazi-occupied Paris.

He has a photo of a woman with a lipstick print on it, and he shows this photo around, eventually finding someone who knows her. This person leads him to a back alley or basement or something, and he sees the woman across the room. He smiles and calls out to her, and she quickly turns around, aghast, as armed guards knock the poor guy out. As he slips into unconsciousness, it is revealed that the woman was working with the government to catch resistance members.

He slips into a dream. He's dancing with the woman. They're on a beach, or some serene field somewhere. They share a day together in a version of the city from earlier that isn't crowded with guards and violence and darkness, embrace, kiss one another, and watch the sun setting as the dream fades back to reality...

The man is carted away with several others in the back of a truck by government agents. They're all beaten and bloodied. In the distance, bombs begin to fall. We leave the man behind, zooming out to show that bombs are falling all over the place, and this leads into Exogenesis.

I tried to keep it as close to your concept as I could, Pooky, but I do agree with Tarn's note that it should kinda intertwine the whole thing. I think having it take place separate from the events of the earlier songs would be a good way to do that, and show that this stuff is happening everywhere.

I have kind of a "Sky Captain meets Sin City meets The Third Man" look in mind, since I plan to shoot almost entirely on greenscreens. Very film-noir, with lots of shadows and highlights. And for the dream sequence, I want to capture a Big Fish sort of saturated, ultra-bright and cheerful look, to give it a really nice, yet jarring, contrast from the main section.

I'll get some storyboards drawn up as soon as I can. I have finals next week, so I'm a bit busy with that at the moment, but come next friday I have two weeks of nothing but MUSE project planning ahead of me. biggrin Thoughts? Ideas?

(Sorry if any of this is hard to understand, I'm pretty tired. The storyboards will clear things up.)

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@Tarn
With the current directors I wouldn't worry about either of those things. FXHome 101.
But good advice nonetheless.

Good sh*t Aculag, but a couple thoughts. For the plane idea, I have access to a private plane. But I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say by transition from MK to I Belong with a plane. Would the plane just happen to be featured at the end of the song taking off? The main character getting on the plane to make it flow would be confusing since we would be segwaying from the plot somewhat. I also personally liked the idea of much of this song being hallucination, after the drug induced state in MK Ultra. Maybe I'm just not understanding your idea perfectly.

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I'm thinking the plane could just fly overhead in the background during the end of MK Ultra, and the camera follows it, then it fades into the beginning of IBTY.

What kind of plane do you have access to? I can get some nice shots of an old (really cool) biplane, but it doesn't exactly look like something that would carry many passengers. It would make for a really excellent Casablanca style scene, though. wink

Edit: This would have nothing to do with MK Ultra, I was just thinking of a way to transition it. I would personally like the hallucination aspect to be confined to MK Ultra. The only part of I Belong To You that really sounds like a hallucination or a dream to me is the French part. But since the song is so different from everything else, I think it should be entirely disconnected from the rest of the story until the bombs fall.

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It is a small, modern, private jet. Not sure how many passengers, but I think it's like one of those very small commercial jets.

Also, I live next to an airport where planes fly VERY low, I could get an awesome shot of a plane in the background of the MK Ultra trip.

And if you haven't already (this forum moves fast at this hour smile) read my edit, but you explained everything anyways.

EDIT: Just read your edit, and that sounds good. I still like the idea of the hallucination spilling into the next song, but now that you've explained it I can see how it will work.

EDIT2: Christ, it really does move fast at 6:00AM EST on a Wednesday... Well I refuse to post again, so here's another edit.

Tarn wrote:

Yeah, I don't think I Belong To You should be overtly hallucination. I like the idea of making it possibly a continuation of the hallucination, but perhaps never confirming either way.
That's exactly what I had in mind actually. But if we go with a completely separate side story, an idea I do like, it wouldn't really work as that guy was never affected by MK Ultra. Maybe there's a way to combine the ideas.

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Yeah, I don't think I Belong To You should be overtly hallucination. I like the idea of making it possibly a continuation of the hallucination, but perhaps never confirming either way.

Also, side note: where did the nuke come from? Is that in the lyrics?
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Serpent wrote:

That's exactly what I had in mind actually. But if we go with a completely separate side story, an idea I do like, it wouldn't really work as that guy was never affected by MK Ultra. Maybe there's a way to combine the ideas.
What I can do is make everything look vaguely dreamlike, to suggest that the guy is possibly just tripping out so hard that he is imagining up an entirely separate life for himself. Then at the very end, remove the veil of dreamy effects to show that it was all really happening, just to some totally different guy. Something like that... I can make it work. wink

Tarn, not sure where the bomb idea came from. I think Pooky had that included in his original plan, but I don't know if it's based on the lyrics or not. It would make sense that some kind of catastrophe happens which forces people to flee the planet, though. Bombs work well for catastrophe.
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Yeah the bomb thing was a way to tie in Exogenesis, and has to do with how, in Exogenesis Part 2, they talk about toxic clouds and the like, which suggested to me that Earth wasn't in a very good state. The idea would be to fade to Exogenesis after a white flash, which was itself preceded by a shot where you could clearly see a missile coming down, fairly slowly and near centre frame, but in the background.

Regarding IBTY being a hallucination, I love your idea, Aculag, although I agree with Tarn that we should leave it open as to whether it's a hallucination. I think the ideal thing would be if you can make it so that it can be interpreted both ways, though if you'd like you can do something near the end that makes people think (but still not be certain) it's most likely real. We can then counterbalance that with something that references MK Ultra after Exogenesis, so people are properly confused smile

And for the blog site, I think we should wait just a little bit until we have more to show before we start it, possibly even wait until production, as it'll have to be a lot more visual than what we're currently talking about.
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I think the longer we wait to get a website up the harder this thing will be. We want to get as much support as possible as fast as possible, or this thing could flame out like other massive projects like this have in the past.

There needs to be something, some contained space that we can point potential directors/actors/crew to that isn't this thread.
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Been listening to the resistance, single, and I've had an idea. The story playing out in my mind has the man as a guard, and the girl a captive, they are torturing her to reveal the resistance's whereabouts or suchlike. The man/gaurd starts to have feelings for the girl and rescues her, then goes on the run with her, evading the powers, and trying to escape to the resistance.

And I think this set up leads straight into undesclosed desires, most of the lyrics seem to point to her having been through a lot.

"I know you've suffered
But I don't want you to hide
It's cold and loveless
I won't let you be denied"

and the man trying to "reconcile the violence in your heart" and this is where they fall in love, she doesn't know if she can trust him because he was a soldier, but he tries to convince her he isn't like that

"Please me
Show me how it's done
Trust me
You are the one"
Maybe... Tempted to throw my hat in for one, or both, maybe wait for feedback on these ideas first.
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That could definitely work! The only thing, though, is that if we go for that, then that means the guy has to go from being with the government to being with the Resistance, and then back to being against the Resistance in Unnatural Selection after having climbed its ranks. We just end up depicting him as some guy that keeps dropping out of line whenever he spends too much time with one side razz

But I definitely like the idea of him trying to convince her that he's on her side.
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Well maybe he is a double agent, of sorts. Infiltrates the resistance after rescuing the woman, maybe takes a bullet on the way, she nurses him back to health in undisclosed desires. Then he's promoted in unnatural selection... think
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This sounds like a really cool project. I wish you good luck.

Maybe I could even help with some compositing or something if you need it.
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I agree with Evman. Posters, storyboards, ideas, news, and updates should be enough to keep people interested. People like reading about preproduction, gets them excited. Maybe wait a couple weeks until we have some visuals. But you're in charge of this shindig Pooky, so your call.
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Yeah, okay let's at least get the posters and a proper story outline. One thing, though: we either need someone to design a Wordpress template based on the poster art, or we'll have to find a really good template.

If we have some good designers that'd be up for it, having the site itself look like a propaganda poster would be quite fantastic. Course, we gotta wait for the actual designs first smile
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I could take a stab at coding it if I had a graphic designer. I have a bit of experience with customizing Wordpress. If someone with more experience wants to jump in, please do as this would probably be a challenge for me and come easier to others. This guy created templates that are very easily customizable:

http://www.refueled.net/blank-wordpress-themes/

My site uses left sidebar.

Also, the blog categories could include each song (so you can see all the news for just that song very easily), pre, prod, and post. Or something along those lines.
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Fair enough, I can send you a basic mockup eventually so you can see what you can do. The blog should probably be more of an official channel, though, so the posts would be more about important milestones or an overview of where production is on a certain song, whereas the Wiki would be a lot of detailed stuff.

Also, should we really be giving out the script and storyboard, when we have them? Somehow I get the feeling that the movie would have more weight if people didn't know exactly what it was going to show. smile We should definitely give snippets, though.

Basically, I think the Wiki should be for production and the Blog, for publicity.
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Pooky wrote:

Regarding IBTY being a hallucination, I love your idea, Aculag, although I agree with Tarn that we should leave it open as to whether it's a hallucination. I think the ideal thing would be if you can make it so that it can be interpreted both ways, though if you'd like you can do something near the end that makes people think (but still not be certain) it's most likely real. We can then counterbalance that with something that references MK Ultra after Exogenesis, so people are properly confused smile
Yeah, well like I said to Serpent, I think I would rather that the hallucination stuff is only in MK Ultra, but just to make everyone happy, I will work on a way to make it ambiguous. smile I'm a fan of ambiguity.
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Releasing information like that I think is fine, Pooky. It's going to be pretty distant from the actual film's interpretation. Besides, it's not like people are gonna be amazed and surprised by what happens in the film, given that it is very closely based on the Muse lyrics. Fans are already going to have an inkling of what could happen, so having storyboards/concept art/whatever will only make them more interested/excited.

I presume most of you have played Half Life 2. I keep visualising the storming of the apartment buildings by the Combine soldiers right at the start of the game as kinda being what 'The Resistance' would be like.
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That would actually be a pretty great reference: have them run through apartment blocks and on some roofs, with the police always right behind them. Maybe the police could even have gas masks in that scene smile
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I just thought of something regarding stock footage. Now, obviously the rule here is going to be "don't use pirated stock footage", but let's assume someone accidentally uses, say, a muzzle flash from some other site that he didn't pay for. What happens to us if that other site finds out somehow?
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Why on earth would anyone need to use muzzle flash stock footage when pretty much everyone involved has access to FXHome stuff? smile

Since this is an FXHome project, I think we should keep it in the family as much as possible. Obviously we're going to need to use 3D software, and a lot of us will use After Effects, etc. but at least as far as muzzle flashes go, I don't think anyone will have any reason to go elsewhere for that kind of stuff.
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Well it's an example, really. Change that for smoke, then.
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Maybe Sollthar can lend a hand in that area. What I'm saying is that I think between the members on here, we can probably use original stock footage and effects for everything.

But I see what you're saying, and it's certainly valid. We just need to make sure no one uses any stolen stuff!
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Is there anything specific we want on the posters, short of just generalized propoganda and government signage? Anything key to the lyrics or story of the album?

I've not listened all the way through it yet (the album, that is, going straight through right now), and am not sure what exactly to put on these.

____________

On a separate note, do we know if the human race is repopulating on a different, barren planet? Or just being sent into the skies? The former may be easier to show for the musical tone of Exogenesis Part 3 in terms of a LOT of matte paintings/CG work versus just a few composites. That, and I'm not great at compositing. biggrin
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As I understand the lyrics of Exogenesis, it starts out on a destroyed earth with people kind of questioning who they are and how they got there, in part 1. Part 2 is the liftoff sequence, as the people left on earth look on. Part 3 is the ship sailing off into space, while the people on earth wish they had another chance. I don't think we should show the next planet, as it's left open in the lyrics, and as that's probably the theme of the next Muse album (they sort of follow each other).

Uh, regarding what to put on the posters, apart from the obvious fist pumping and such, I suggest you take a look at different conspiracy theories that Muse have been referencing. For instance, the HAARP array that they themed one of their live shows after, or the New World Order, that kinda stuff. The lead writer of the band is a total conspiracy nut.

Also, speaking of Sollthar, where is that guy, and would he be interested in taking part in this?
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Do we want posters to promote The Resistance itself, or government/world order posters suppressing the movement? Or would you consider the 'look' of them one in the same?

Anyhow, here's my revision of that one fist one you'd mocked up earlier, with some lyrics from Exogenesis Part 2....


Let me know if this is a direction you want to go in.
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LOVE that one. Exactly what I had in mind. If you can make both the red Resistance "Resist!" ones, and the government ones that are more about suppressing the resistance (maybe give those a blue tone instead? dunno), it'd be awesome!
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I really like the art style of this poster as well:

http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/614/WWII_Nazi_Propaganda_-_Waffen-SS.jpg


Especially the ominous shadowy profile of the soldiers head and the color scheme.



Also, from the same website, here's a huge gallery of propaganda posters:

http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/showgallery.php/cat/614
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Yeah, I snagged that first example as a good influence, Bryce, just that it would take a while to mimic the high-contrast acrylic paintings of old posters, unless done in silkscreen; as I would imagine it would be in the future (or now, as done in paste-ups by skaters, et al).
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I really like that, Ben, but could you modify that fist a bit? I feel like that image is pretty overused. I see it a lot. (For example, it occurs on the first six pages of google image search)
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Aculag wrote:

I really like that, Ben, but could you modify that fist a bit? I feel like that image is pretty overused. I see it a lot. (For example, it occurs on the first six pages of google image search)
Rousseau, You should've included a warning to people who might google "Fist" without Safesearch on. I feel like someone just power-sanded my eyeballs.
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Myeeessss, my plan is working perfectly....
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I liked the text vertically closer together on the resistance poster, so here's this:


Another quick one, for the government side of things.

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Alright everyone, the wiki has been installed. Start an account and PM me and I will grant you permissions. I've just installed it, so a lot of customization is still required. Currently the URL is:

http://cpostudios.com/projectmute/wiki

(soon it will be projectmute.com/wiki, me and Pooky landed on that URL via AIM, if you hate it, let me know before I drop $10 on it. Will be in the next week)

Currently it is completely empty, at the time of posting this. But that's about to change, isn't it contributors? (I'm implying that we need to contribute, of course)

Here's a feature run down, let me know if you have any questions on features or how to use and format the Wiki:

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MediaWiki_feature_list

There are certain guidelines that Wiki editors adhere to when formatting articles. I'm sure there's a guide out there, just give it a Google.




And ben, that last one is effing awesome. I used to be a Latin scholar, love stuff like that. Sick message.



EDIT: The main page will look a bit more like this when it's done, I'll sort that out tomorrow (er, today):

http://cpostudios.com/wiki/

Currently isn't marked up or anything.

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Yeah I prefer that one for the resistance, and a really cool government one too. Really digging the style, keep em coming! biggrin
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Wow, well those posters sure are smart, nice work Ben.

As they stand, they look great but miss any consistent brand element (eg the MUTE logo, website, etc - although it looks like Ben's left an obvious space for it), and at the moment I guess we want to attract people and reinforce a brand, promote a website?

As for the website, you can get free domains xxxxxx.co.nr or xxxxxx.co.cc which could possibly work as forwarding domains, and look smart?

This is such an exciting project
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Seriously, though... Am I the only one who thinks that fist needs to be changed? It's recognizable, but it's someone else's design... Everything else about these is looking great, but that fist is bugging me.

Edit: vvv Definitely like that idea, Tarn. Nice one.

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I wonder if the concept of 'mute' could be worked into the resistance posters? ie, referencing the lack of free speech? Could have a mouth with a closed zipper across it, with the Mute logo underneath.
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Ben: Would it be possible for you to knock up a couple of flag designs as well; one for the resistance and one for the regime. Obviously in keeping with the posters but just whatever their respective logos and colour schemes are. Cheers.
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^^^ Most certainly dig that idea, Tarn. Good stuff.

pdrg wrote:

As for the website, you can get free domains xxxxxx.co.nr or xxxxxx.co.cc which could possibly work as forwarding domains, and look smart?
I've got no problem paying for the site. I enjoy expanding my .com ownership, especially for something as epic as this.

Also, pdrg, I had a few legal questions... Earlier in this thread Pooky posted his response from the label. Didn't seem like they were cool with it (though Pooky was asking about something slightly different, their response still applies to this). Could this thread, or the wiki, or anything like that be referenced if they were attempting to shut down the project where we explicitly reference Muse and their songs on their album? If we get a cease and desist at some point for some reason, it'd be nice to know if we can fight it. And if they can shut it down from preproduction evidence or whatever you want to call it, how do we market this to Muse fans legally and have them know about playing the album in the background as well as the cue points?

If they can shut us down for my reasons above, we could always use the posters and reference our site or our wiki. Then on the wiki make it sort of obvious? Like the section for Uprising, for example, would just be called Rising Up. It'd be somewhat mysterious viral marketing, kind of like "I Love Bees" and similar campaigns that took off on the net.
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Yeah, I've been kinda thinking about that as well. You always hear about fan projects being shut down, how can we stop that from happening here? Even if we're not going to sell it, if we associate it with Muse at all, they'll most likely try to do something about it?

They will not control us. We will be victorious! smile
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Tarn wrote:

I wonder if the concept of 'mute' could be worked into the resistance posters? ie, referencing the lack of free speech? Could have a mouth with a closed zipper across it, with the Mute logo underneath.
For the government posters, they could be de-faced with the MUTE logo, but as a sticker, in a similar way the black eyed peas did in the where is the love video, slapping the question marks everywhere. In our case it would be MUTE stickers being spread everywhere.
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That would actually be a pretty great reference: have them run through apartment blocks and on some roofs, with the police always right behind them. Maybe the police could even have gas masks in that scene smile
In my head it plays out like the end of the matrix, where neyo is running from smith, crashing through doors, running up fire escapes etc.
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Nice idea, Mike!

As for the legal stuff....that's a question for Arktic and pdrg mostly, I think. But still, the facts are:

- We won't be using any Muse music.
- We won't be listing Muse lyrics.
- We won't be using any Muse logos, videos or other images.
- We won't be distributing the movie with any Muse music.
- We won't be directly referencing Muse (band or brand) in the movie.
- We won't be selling anything.

If the film turns out to be crap it's irrelevant; if it turns out to be good, it's some useful viral marketing for band sales.

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It's a very grey area - the fact is that you will be directly adapting someone else's intellectual property (though it's true that you can't copyright an idea, you *can* copyright a series of ideas that are presented in a particular fashion) - and if the film is very heavily inspired by the album, then there's potentially a legal argument there... And at the end of the day, it might come down to who has the better lawyers (and that ain't gonna be us).

BUT, having said that, I need to make a couple of phone calls to see if anyone I know can shed more light on the situation, and potentially give us advice on how to stay in legal territory. I'll post back as soon as I have anything useful to offer smile

Cheers,
Arktic.
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If it goes to court, we lose anyway. If they try to DCMA it, that only applies in the US, so host the site elsewhere. If they're really dicks about it, then game over, post all the takedown notices over the site, tell the bands newsgroups and fan club, etc. What we're doing is grey and cheeky, and we cannot possibly fight it in court no matter what, so we have to rely on publicity/goodwill/common sense to prevail - we're not infringing any of their art, band name, music, anything as far as I can tell. This is why referring to 'favourite album' etc will be important, and it may be worthwhile tucking this thread somewhere on this site members only (to stop search engine spiders) for the meantime. The 'official' sites should not mention any bands directly, etc.

Then in order to swing the 'please don't be dicks' defence, we try to build a bit of groundswell interest in the project, get a bunch of people following the blog, try to create some momentum with the fans - then anyone feeling randomly litigious would have to think twice about pressing what is a very grey argument and appearing dicks in front of a bunch of fans, with the resulting bad press. Without engaging our own lawyers (we can't afford to), we'll have to rely on common sense and goodwill, and having people interested will help that smile It also means the chances of the artists themselves hearing about it and endorsing it increases wink

And if they do take us down, well that's all a part of the conspiracy of silence, isn't it?

//PS - I note MUTE.MU is available for a mere €95/yr wink//
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If my server is hosted in the UK, even though I'm a US citizen, will that affect DCMA ability? I use Hostony:

http://hostony.com/company.html

Sounds like we should probably tailor our 2 sites to not mention anything directly. Any ideas on how to best go about that? Like on the wiki, for example, how do we break it up into songs? Clever naming? But based on the content of the film, and having something like clever naming, and based on what you guys just said, it sounds like they still have grounds to terminate it regardless.

I suppose if we do get a following and they would feel obligated to not shut it down, we should try to achieve that ASAP so we don't put so much work into it. If they shut it down in preproduction, it wouldn't be nearly as bad as if it were shut down in post.

And after reading pdrg and Arktic's posts, sounds like we really do need this thread to disappear at some point.


vvv Tarn, I like the way you think. Chapters are perfect! Matching up the number of tracks with our descriptions of the content on the wiki still leaves this in a gray area, but better than being direct.

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In terms of naming, just call each segment 'Chapter 1', 'Chapter 2' etc.
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I'd definitely like to get involved with this. Not the biggest Muse fan, I like them though. I could help out with concept/production art? Not a very helpful post I know.
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Yeah, this threads needs to stay up as long as we're missing two directors, but once the Wiki and Blog are up, we should hide it somewhere, if that's possible (deleting it would be kind of a shame, but if that's what we gotta do... razz).

Also, songs 1-9 would become Chapters 1-9, and we'd have to find a way to not say that we're directly using the lyrics when we reference them.

Swilton - Yeah man, that post was worthless. Get out.

Storyboarding help would be fantastic smile
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Pooky wrote:

Yeah, this threads needs to stay up as long as we're missing two directors, but once the Wiki and Blog are up, we should hide it somewhere, if that's possible (deleting it would be kind of a shame, but if that's what we gotta do... razz).
No can do with the hiding. My involvement here is on a personal basis, cos I like Muse. If I hide the topic then that would count as an administrator action, so it would be me acting as an FXhome employee, which wouldn't be wise. smile

I'd recommend you and/or Serpent take a copy of each page, after which it can just be nuked by a mod.
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Aculag wrote:

Seriously, though... Am I the only one who thinks that fist needs to be changed? It's recognizable, but it's someone else's design... Everything else about these is looking great, but that fist is bugging me/
Let me change it to a more realistic silkscreen of a fist I did in vectors a while back. It's drawn from something extremely similar to Google results too, though. Warning, though, I made the first fist from scratch with the pen tool, but you're very right in that it's modeled after the 'Leftist Power Fist' logo.

Right now I'm making the posters without any project signage because I'm intending them for use in the actual video, where I would find it odd to see a MUTE logo, given that ruins verisimilitude of the piece, in my opinion. But I suppose that's not my call.

EDIT:

While I work on more posters/more consistent theme, here's this for now

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Yeah, make the posters for the film first, we'll think of promo material afterwards when we've got basically all of the material.

Really like that, btw. Be sure to keep the psd, as when we put it in the film, the stamps would also be on the wall next to it.
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Another government one...



Actually, thinking about it, the government wouldn't use the same terms that the 'resistance' uses to call themselves, so....



EDIT:

This too....

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Oh just a note: the USoE is what the Resistance is fighting for! smile The corrupt government stuff from before the USoE (should it be USE, actually?) comes to existence is an exaggeration of current politicians and the whole New World Order thing about how they're all secretly controlling the populace.

Anyway, I'm liking those, but they might be a bit empty? If you can fit in some shapes and whatnot, kind of like you did with the Resistance one, I think they might look even better.
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I thought the USoE was corrupted, and they were fighting for something new? Whatevs, nevermind. The one with the SWAT guy is really the only minimalist one I wanted to make (small in flourish in that it's more like a government official posting, less like a propaganda poster, although I'm working on all sorts of things presently), the soldier silhouette was just an afterthought. It's not like I spent a lot of time on it or anything. biggrin

I figured mainly that if you have propaganda from both sides, Resistance would be more artistic, government more clinical.

Here's this, then, just to correct my mistake....

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Yeah, the USoE is the "something new" hehe. Then we find out that it's actually just as bad during Unnatural Selection, which leads to MK Ultra and the rest of it.

Also, an idea for govt. posters: maybe make some USA-in-WWII style "Support your country!" ones?

EDIT: Oh you edited your post. Yeah making them more clinical is a good idea; that white minimalist one is cool, actually. The SWAT one just seems like it's missing something, though.

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Wow guys this sounds great! I would like to help somehow. Not sure if I would take a segment (Don't want to ruin the great quality of the other directors) but I could... I don't know. Any ways, this looks very promising!
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Nonsense, Shadow! That's part of the fun of it- having a wealth of different styles and talents in the different parts. At least, that's what I would hope and want to see out of it. If you've got an itch to do one or part of one of the tracks- let us all know!
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Ben: That is nice. Very nice.
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The Resistance members should also have its own graphic identity/color scheme - logos that can be on flags, armbands, bandanas, jackets, etc. Maybe even a few concepts concerning a few types of "uniforms" to establish a general look for both sides throughout the films. (Swinton??)

Are there any (rough) deadlines? Or is everything kinda on an ASAP basis? Depending on deadlines, I may throw my hat in the ring. At the very least I can capture "worldly b-roll", which would include city environments/landmarks in Chicago, farm/country areas, the Middle East-looking Baha'i Temple of North America and nearby dunes, and even a fake Leaning Tower of Pisa smile . I may be roadtripping with a 7D and T2i in May, so I'll definitely accumulate some nice shots along a route that may roughly look like this.

And if any productions go on in my area, I'd be up for joining in on those as well.
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The resistance stuff should probably look more 'home made', as well. It needs to be stuff that any resistance member can produce in his own house, quietly, without being noticed. Unlike the government stuff, which is mass produced professionally.

It might be interesting to have one artist focus on the government stuff and another focus on the resistance stuff, to ensure wildly different styles?
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So like, Ben vs Atom? smile Or wait, Swinton, can you make some of these?
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Pooky wrote:

Yeah, the USoE is the "something new" hehe. Then we find out that it's actually just as bad during Unnatural Selection, which leads to MK Ultra and the rest of it.
Just thinking, in MK Ultra, could it be the, now corrupt, U.S.E who are torturing the man, rather than the older corrupt government. Just brainstorming, apologies if it's getting in the way.
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Yeah that was indeed the case, sorry if it wasn't clear razz
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Probably worth picking out a single strong colour motif for resistance stuff, maybe chroma green, or some other punchy colour to signpost immediately to the audience who's on which side - whether worn as an armband/bandana/shirt etc - a bit like the goodies in white hats, baddies in black hats of the old Westerns? At a glance you'd know who was who without searching for logos, etc. Then that colour motif can carry on into resistance bases, posters, etc. It also may help get around the different actors, etc., if character X is the only guy to wear his flash of chroma green as a bandana...
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I thought we'd agreed that blue and black would be the government (given that blue almost always signifies a protecting state force) and red (and split complements, like yellow, in a non-USSR way) would be Resistance. This means armbands could be red stripes for dissenting citizens and things like blue-black SWAT wear or even, say blue-silver tie clips and cufflinks on an Oxford-wearing MK Ultra psychologist or the like.
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We should definitely lay down some ground rules involving wardrobe and stylistic choices as well.

For instance:

No shorts or baseball hats, no wipe transitions, no fake 16x9 bars, no comic sans fonts, etc.
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I'll get working on the resistance stuff when I get back home. No problemo.

(Also, good to know we can maybe put all the Exodus/Batman sequel futuristic-y wardrobe stuff we foolishly spent a small fortune on back to use on this Muse project. That'd be sweet. wink)
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Bryce007 wrote:

We should definitely lay down some ground rules involving wardrobe and stylistic choices as well.

For instance:

No shorts or baseball hats, no wipe transitions, no fake 16x9 bars, no comic sans fonts, etc.
Yeah, a certain base level of production value should be met. Which is why I think we should settle on an HD minimum. Maybe we can make some exceptions for certain segments if theres a very good, stylistic reason to justify it, but to keep this thing at least somewhat uniform, it'd be a good idea.

Also, I think it'd be a good idea to use the posters we create to actually be in the films as a form of viral marketing. Simply putting the MUTE logo somewhere on each and systematically releasing them online and hoping they make their way to people interested in the project should do it.

Do we have any more takers on storyboarding? As I said, I have one person lined up to help us out with it, but he might be able to only work on my segment. Storyboarding an entire 50 minute film is a bit much for one person.
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Regarding minium production values, HD will be required and it will need to be true 16:9. Lighting your scenes will also be obligatory (unless there's a stylistic reason, obviously), and titles will be done by myself, as I will be the one putting each individual bit together.

Also, as I mentioned, the posters Atom and Ben are creating are for use in the movie, but will be used for guerilla marketing (with MUTE logos slapped on). The official colours for the Resistance and the old government are as Ben mentioned.

We need to stop getting into too technical and too detailed stuff, though. Right now, we have to focus on finding directors and storyboarders. I've already asked Sollthar, and he respectfully declined because he had some issues with the copyright aspects of this film.
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Also, if anyone needs a FULL SWAT uniform (I can only provide 1), I can probably rent it out to you for free (I ain't paying shipping though). Examples of the Blackhawk SWAT uniform below. I can also provide desert US Army gear as pictured below instead if your section needs it. And only one can be out at a time, so if multiple people need a uniform, they'll have to wait for it to be available.

http://cpostudios.com/?p=609

I'll be working on FBI-like agent costumes, doctor/psychologist costumes, and my protagonist's costumes soon, probably once I start my storyboards sometime next week.

Also, the wiki will be ready to go tonight, so if you haven't registered, do so so you can edit your section and your bio.
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/doubleposttime

http://cpostudios.com/projectmute/wiki

Alright, the wiki is all set up and ready to be worked on. I've pasted sections from my team's Wiki that match the formatting of the respective pages on our wiki. This will make it easier for you guys to edit and format properly as you can see what the markups do, and it's already laid out nicely.

You are responsible for your own bio, and your own chapter. And if you don't have a chapter but are still part of The Team, contribute to new pages like "Concept Art" etc. I also expect people to chip in on pages like The Team, Project Mute, the community portal, etc. I'm new at this, and I don't know how to do images or set editing permissions quite yet. If someone could help I'd appreciate it, otherwise I'll figure it out soon enough.

Also, how does one take screen shots of full forum pages without having to scroll down and combine images in Photoshop? Anyone know a way we can easily archive this thread?



EDIT - And the editing begins!
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Enable file uploads in the Wiki so that embedded images can be displayed. Otherwise, it's going to be just external links and blocks of text.
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Right, will do, been working on that. I have to edit some php files manually to get file uploads working. If it's not done tonight it will be sometime tomorrow. Forgot to mention that.
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Looking nice, Serpent.
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Okay, edited my 'Chapter 9' page for now. It's a bit more descriptive, although I want to get into more detail bit by bit when I get things more figured out.
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Yeah, I've done the same for the Chapter 5 page. Bryce, since you're doing Chapter 6, I feel like you should take a brief look over it and maybe contact me for more info, as the way mine ends slightly affects the beginning of yours. For the better, I hope.
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Atom, Ben, for the USoE flag, I suggest inspiring yourself from Muse's official design, seen here.
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Serpent wrote:

Also, how does one take screen shots of full forum pages without having to scroll down and combine images in Photoshop? Anyone know a way we can easily archive this thread?
https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/ckibcdccnfeookdmbahgiakhnjcddpki

Ta-da.
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Awesome, thanks Tarn! That will be very useful to me in general, I love archiving things.

Serpent wrote:

If my server is hosted in the UK, even though I'm a US citizen, will that affect DCMA ability? I use Hostony:

http://hostony.com/company.html
Just gonna repeat that question.


@Bryce: When "the man" gets captured in your section, can you have it be by suits, like FBI/CIA-esque? In MK Ultra I'm starting it with him being forcefully escorted by agents down a dark hallway to the mind control room where they, and a Dr. Sidney Gottlieb (subtle MKUltra reference) force feed him the drug. The agents play a key role in the rest of the song, which I'll explain on my wiki page as soon as I work some things out. You don't have to use zip tie handcuffs, but I'm going to and if you did it will make the transition smoother.


@Everyone: When you edit your wikis, reference the other wikis to stick to similar guidelines. And if you want something about your progress to appear on the main page under "Updates" (where it will actually be read by people), you are going to have to edit that yourself. Once we have 10-15 updates, just start deleting the oldest update when adding your own. And only use the updates section for big/exciting updates to your section or the project. Also, contact info on your bio would be useful, even something like on Pooky's page.

And we should probably remove things like this:
"This transition either takes place at the end of MK Ultra or at the beginning of IBTY." from the wiki where it names the Muse songs. It's late now for me though, I've worked hard enough, bed time.
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Thanks for the message Pooky. I'm certainly going to listen to the album over and over and especially the tracks you mentioned! If anything jumps out at me then count me in, I'm sure I can work over something wink

Great idea and great project!
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i agree, i think the fist should be changed - how about a pistol being fired into the air - that can symbolize the resistance aren't going to be MUTED.
U guys come up with posters really quickly!!!
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@Evman- Yep, we'll chat sometime this weekend. I'm on a crazy deadline to deliver a project before Saturday.

@Serpent- Definitely, That's the plan. Although I may shoot the agents from behind as silhouettes, where we can see the main character's face past them.



Also, does anyone plan on specifying their location via text?
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Just wanted to say that I think this sounds very cool and I'm totally looking forward to seeing the results of this collaboration. With Pooky, there seems to be the right person in charge and it's really great to see the community do something like this.

I'll definately be here for advice or certain technical help if you need anything (I'm also good at CG and 3D or compositing if that's of any use) so feel free to shout if I can assist.

But as I said to pooky, to take a complete chapter/song is too much for me considering it's for a project with copyright issues. For anything original though, I'm always in.


What I see and hear sounds potentially very awesome, with lots of talented fxhomers combined. So keep up the good work! cool

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