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Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010, 12:42pm

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I'm looking into finally upgrading my computer from the junk fujitsu laptop I have now. I've found a decent system that'll suit my needs with-in my price range. My question is, I have the choice between XP, Vista, and Windows 7. I've tried Vista before and I hate it so that's out of the picture. Naturally I would go with the newer option but I've been using XP for a while and don't want to run into compatibility issues with Windows 7 (games, apps, and such). I don't like the idea of running a Vista makeover either. Would it be possible for someone to either confirm my doubts or put them to rest?

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Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010, 12:43pm

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Vista is vastly, vastly superior to XP (it wasn't at first, but it is now).

Windows 7, from what I understand, is quite a bit superior to Vista.

Ta-da.
Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010, 12:49pm

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That's Just what I was looking for. I have a Vista laptop in the house and I can't stand it (maybe it's a older version), but the 3 XP computers we have I'll dare say run better. I really like XP which is why I'm rather tentative. Thanks for the advice. smile
Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010, 12:58pm

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Vista and Win7 do require a better spec machine, so that might be an issue.

However, both my work Vista machine and my home Vista machine run much better than any of my XP machines ever did. It doesn't seem to experience the gradual slowdown-over-time that XP suffered from.

In terms of using it, Vista is actually pretty similar to XP, it just looks different. There's lots of small changes, but nothing that should prove too off-putting. Once you get used to it you'll find that going back to XP is a fairly nasty experience. smile
Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010, 1:07pm

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One of the problems I experienced with Vista was an awful response delay. It takes like 5 seconds to open a new tab, trouble with scrolling, and it took forever to delete the tiniest thing. And trust me, the processor wasn't the issue.
But you've made up my mind, I'll go with 7. smile
Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010, 1:23pm

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Btw, I'm not suprised your laptop isn't working... How much did you buy it for? I know it was under 500 wasn't it like 300? Haha....
Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010, 5:07pm

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FXhome Dude,

Some of the problems you described with Vista were due to some problems with the Vista file system when it was first released. Things like moving files around, deleting items, and other similar actions took a ridiculous amount of time to complete. This was addressed in Vista service pack 1, which made Vista much, much more stable and reliable.

I've been running Windows 7 on both my desktop and laptop since the first week it was released and have had zero issues with it so far. I'm also a network engineer and have deployed Windows 7 to about 100 or so machines and we've had no issues with any of them. It's been one of the best upgrades I've experienced since Windows 95 replaced 3.1. I'd recommend it.
Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010, 6:15pm

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alienux wrote:

FXhome Dude,

Some of the problems you described with Vista were due to some problems with the Vista file system when it was first released. Things like moving files around, deleting items, and other similar actions took a ridiculous amount of time to complete. This was addressed in Vista service pack 1, which made Vista much, much more stable and reliable.
That's what I figured. You're not having compatibility problems either are you? Like freeware that's been designed for Xp or something?
Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010, 7:45pm

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So far I haven't had any compatibility issues. There are a few programs (like Sony Vegas, for instance) that I've had to run in XP service pack 3 compatibility mode, or that I've had to configure to always "Run as administrator" (like our beloved FXhome products), but other than those couple of minor modifications, I've not had any issues with anything I use. Everything, including the programs that need compatibility mode or permanent admin rights, runs great.
Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010, 7:56pm

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Windows 7 is also VASTLY superior in terms of window management thanks to the new taskbar, the aero peek features and so on. It's good enough to make me have doubts on whether I want my next computer to be another Mac, or whether I should go back to Windows.
Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010, 8:01pm

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Can fully agree to alienux ! I use Windows 7 Prof (64bit) since last Xmas without any problems. Never faced any problem with all my software used e.g. VisionLab, Magix Video, Vue.
Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010, 8:34pm

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The one thing I didn't want was a Vista remake. Thanks. I'll definitely go with 7 smile
Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010, 10:40pm

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Personally, I hate Windows 7. I had it on my work laptop a week before it came off. It's Vista's big brother.
I've returned to XP on my work laptop and have no desire to return to Windows 7 again.

Maybe I'm spoiled by having a Mac at home?

Horses for courses I suppose.
Posted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010, 12:31pm

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Another question for the tech people out there. I've got the choice of a 3.0 Ghz and 2-3GB of ram or 4GB of Ram and 2.7 Ghz processor. Any suggestions for which one would help run a vigorous workflow best?
Posted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010, 12:34pm

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What kind of processors are they? The Ghz figure doesn't tell the whole picture these days.
Posted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010, 12:41pm

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I believe an AMD dual core. I'll be running some pretty intense programs which leads to the question of Ram vs Proccessor.
Posted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010, 1:16pm

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If the processors in both machines are dual core, I'd go with the 3Ghz and add RAM to make it 4GB.

If the 3Ghz machine is not dual core, but the 2.7Ghz machine is, I'd definitely go with the 2.7Ghz machine.

If both machines are dual core and for some reason you absolutely can't or don't want to add RAM to the 3Ghz machine, I'd take a slight performance drop in the processor in order to have more RAM.
Posted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010, 1:27pm

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I'm actually just customizing the same system (online)and my budget affords one or the other as of now. But you say more RAm instead of a great processor?
Posted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010, 1:41pm

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If at all possible get an Intel Core i5 which is a very cheap but powerful quad core desktop chip and I would avoid anything from AMD.

A Core i7 is better but pretty expensive in most cases. If the Core i5 is too expensive I would go for a Core 2 Quad of at least 2.5GHz. Anything less than quad core is considered low-end these days (even if its running at 3GHz).

NOTE: Single core shouldn't be considered for anything more than a Netbook.

XP is a horrible antiquated OS and both Vista and 7 are vastly better on current hardware. For a new machine Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit is really the minimum you want but 64-bit with 4GB of RAM would be a better bet.
Posted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010, 1:48pm

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My bad, the processor was an intel core 2 duo. Here the link for the one, I'm adding details with nothing in excess of 600$.
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=bv1cs3x3&c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&kc=vostro-230mt
-I think I'll probably bump up the RAM in that case then. Thx.
Posted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010, 1:52pm

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FXhome Dude wrote:

I'm actually just customizing the same system (online)and my budget affords one or the other as of now. But you say more RAm instead of a great processor?
A 2.7Ghz processor, although slower, is not significantly slower than a 3Ghz processor. I think you'll benefit more from the additional 1 to 2 GB of Ram than you'd suffer from a slightly slower processor.

On the other hand, if you can't add more RAM to the 3Ghz machine right now, you still have the option of adding more RAM in the future, so that's another route you could go with the idea to add more RAM if you get the 3Ghz machine and decide you want to increase to 4GB of RAM later.
Posted: Sun, 11th Apr 2010, 6:02pm

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Sorry, another question. Pre-installed software: Adobe Photshop elements and Adobe Premiere elements or sony vegas or pinnacle?
Posted: Mon, 12th Apr 2010, 1:35am

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You do realize that you are customizing a business computer for video editing (I assume) right? Just checking. The default hard drive size and the video card options generally aren't as impressive as other classes of computers, which is fine if you have other external drives or something and aren't using HD footage. That one appears to have a 320 gig drive, but at the same time, integrated graphics and DDR2 RAM. Just a thought to consider a multi-media one or something.

How about giving this a peek? Core i5, 3GB DDR3 RAM, 500GB HDD, etc. Just no monitor, but perhaps you have an extra? I know that it costs a bit more, but this would be a better system by a lot for video editing IMO. I'd say get a good processor, at least 2-3 gigs of RAM and upgrade later. It’s a lot cheaper to increase it yourself down the line than to upgrade a processor.

Just some thoughts. Best of luck. As far as NLEs are concerned, its basically preference. Out of those, I'd go for Vegas, but I'd take CS3 over that any day.

Cheers,
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Posted: Mon, 12th Apr 2010, 12:19pm

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The thing I don't like about the one you linked was that it was a single core, despite it's speed. Being a recommened core i5 I'll definately look into it but i'm the type of guy who multitasks allday long between editing, lite gaming, chatting, surfing the web, etc. So while I don't need an essentially fast processor, duo or even quad core is an essential. I'm working with a junk samsung camera for now, so the storage needed for HD video isn't a problem. Heck, I haven't even run out of space on my piece-of-crap 30GB Fujitsu yet.
P.S. I do realize the one I was using was a business computer but I had very little customization options with the inspirions, anything wrong with using a heavily upgraded "Business" computer?
Posted: Mon, 12th Apr 2010, 12:38pm

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Erm, didn't DVStudio link a Core i5 650? That is a dual core processor, not single. The i5 750 would be worth the extra as its quad core...
Posted: Mon, 12th Apr 2010, 12:48pm

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Oops, yep he did. I didn't see duo or quad keywords and my technically challenged mind didn't realize that. smile That definitely puts it up for consideration. My bad. But for software, Premiere or Vegas are more or less equal and it comes down to personal preference?
EDIT: What about the Core i3 530 2.9 Ghz for gaming? My budget may have increased and it looks like I might be able to get a gaming desktop.
Posted: Mon, 12th Apr 2010, 8:41pm

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Fxhome Dude wrote:


EDIT: What about the Core i3 530 2.9 Ghz for gaming? My budget may have increased and it looks like I might be able to get a gaming desktop.
I don't have any personal experience with the i3 CPUs, as I have an i7 and have used i5s, but more recently I have seen the i3 appearing in mid-budget laptops, which would lead me to believe that it may not be the best for a gaming desktop. That being said, perhaps looking up a few benchmarks may be beneficial to you because the Core i3/i5/i7 line uses Turbo Boost. This is, in combination with the increased cache and DDR3 memory is what makes them so great. I would stick with a fast Core 2 Quad if you must or a Core i5, which would be better. Basically, it depends on the games (old or new) and the rest of the system specs.

As far as single cores go, you won't really find them too often from HP and Dell because they should only be found on low budget laptop/netbooks now adays. Quad or i5 Duo is the way to go now.

Here's another option for you. It's $800 and has the i5 650 or something (3.2 Dual Core) and the option for the Quad. It also has a 640GB HDD, good GFX card options, Windows 7, 4GB DDR3 RAM, and an 18.5 inch monitor (-$130 if you don't need it). Just a thought.

Edit: Thought this worth mentioning. Honestly, in my experience, many games (especially the older ones) don't take complete advantage of the quad cores, and actually, the gaming performance is increased more by a fast clock speed and a lot of RAM. That's why I suggested the i5-650. It's a really good dual core, but if you can afford it, the quad i5 will be more beneficial for video editing and rendering. It all boils down to what the computer will primarily be used for.
Posted: Tue, 13th Apr 2010, 12:27am

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Thanks alot for your help. I'm going for a studio XPS with 4 Gigs of ram and an i5.
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dxcwnn1&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&kc=studio-xps-8100
Thanks again for your help.