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Posted: Sun, 25th Apr 2010, 4:38am

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avatar DVD will be out in November in 3d
they wanted it to be ready when the new 3d tvs are out

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Posted: Sun, 25th Apr 2010, 9:48pm

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Forgive me a tear. However, the move makes sense.
Posted: Mon, 26th Apr 2010, 8:42am

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Maybe I'm being a blu-ray elitist, but buying Avatar on DVD just seems wrong. Might as well get it on VHS! razz
Posted: Mon, 26th Apr 2010, 8:49am

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Hey! Not everyone has a blue-ray capable player you know. smile
Posted: Mon, 26th Apr 2010, 8:53am

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razz I know, I know. But given the predominantly visual nature of the film, I'd say that if you can't get it in HD then there's not a huge amount of point getting it at all.
Posted: Mon, 26th Apr 2010, 5:11pm

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Given the predominantly realD stereoscopic nature of the film, I'd say that if you can't watch it in a realD cinema environment then there's not a huge amount of point watching it at all.

People who missed it in the cinema are going to watch the 3D version at home and then say that the Stereoscopy in Avatar was rubbish. And those people will be fu**ing idiots.

-Matt
Posted: Mon, 26th Apr 2010, 5:24pm

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Hasn't everybody and their mum seen Avatar in the cinema, though? Anyone who hasn't seen it by now basically doesn't really care about movies in general, right?
Posted: Mon, 26th Apr 2010, 5:40pm

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I went on a trip to see my grandparents in Tucson AZ back a couple months ago, and we went and saw Avatar in a 3D Imax Theater, IT WAS FREAKIN AWESOME! I can't see watching it just on DVD, i want a personal Imax Theater now.
Posted: Mon, 26th Apr 2010, 5:49pm

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God you guys are so uncynical at times it gives me joy!

First you release the DVD
Then you release the Blu Ray
Then you release the 3D

And some silly sods will pay for it 3 times over, they absolutely will.
Posted: Mon, 26th Apr 2010, 6:10pm

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pdrg wrote:


And some silly sods will pay for it 3 times over, they absolutely will.
That's what get's me. Hilarious how ppl will literally spend close to 100$ for 3 different versions of a film. And the company knows it too, that's why there are 3 editions...
Posted: Mon, 26th Apr 2010, 6:36pm

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What do you reckon? The 3D special extras edition in shops November for Christmas? Put it like this - it's what I'd do if I were them... wink
Posted: Mon, 26th Apr 2010, 6:43pm

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There will never be a 3D DVD. The 3D version will be Blu-ray only, because that's the only format that supports the "new 3D". Not to mention you need a 3D TV and a 3D Blu-ray player, plus the expensive glasses. It's completely pointless for them to do the 3D Blu-ray now, because no one has any of that. The November 3rd edition won't be 3D either... but it will have multiple extended cuts and loads of special features. They are waiting until next spring at the earliest for the 3D edition.

I caved in and bought the barebones Blu-ray, and I have to say it is phenomenal. Awesome picture, awesome sound. I enjoyed it as much, if not more watching it in 2D.

Originally I thought Fox was just sticking it to us, with the three different versions. But apparently the reason for this first one including "just the movie" is because none of the effects for the extended cuts are ready yet. Weta is apparently working on them now.

EDIT: Wow. Avatar is already the best selling Blu-ray ever.
Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010, 3:32am

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jawajohnny wrote:

EDIT: Wow. Avatar is already the best selling Blu-ray ever.
This fact proves that people will buy anything. I wouldn't even consider buying a BluRay that doesn't have ANY bonus features...

And even though the effects for the extended cut aren't finished yet, they are still "sticking it to us" (Well, you, not us. wink) by doing it this way. They only rushed it out so they could release it on Earth day. They easily could have waited to release it with special features included.
Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010, 8:07am

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People who missed it in the cinema are going to watch the 3D version at home and then say that the Stereoscopy in Avatar was rubbish. And those people will be fu**ing idiots.
No they won't. Because it will be rubbish because it isn't a theater; and that's a flaw and gift in the very nature of how the film was presented- it's a theatrical release, not a home video/theater one. If you missed it in theaters and watch it at home and find it sub-par, you're not an idiot. You're just someone who saw a sub-par film, by virtue of the fact that the effect is largely lost after a theatrical viewing isn't available.

Like knowing the really big twist to a movie that hinges on it- unlike a film that is enjoyable solidly without the twist or with knowing it (ala The Sixth Sense)- a movie like The Usual Suspects is only really fully effective if you go into it blind. Otherwise the effect is lost and the movie falls apart/loses purpose.

Avatar is essentially this- it's a sub-par film that is elevated to greatness (somewhat rightfully so, I admit) by the way in which it was presented and the environment it displays. But, once all that song and dance has been retired, and you can't watch a true 3D version (or have already seen that world) then you're not left with much else.

But you're by no means a f*cking idiot if you don't think the stereoscopy is good because it's playing at home. If it isn't good at home, and that's where you see it, then it simply isn't good. It's like me prefacing 'oh, but also turn your bass on REALLY loud before you watch my movie- otherwise it won't have the full effect of atomic-y-ness!': if my movie or its enjoyment hinges on that, and people don't do it, I can hardly get angry at them.

Some things just don't translate, and people are allowed to knock them for it. Public Enemies? Great sound-design on home theater! But that didn't matter when it was absolute sh*t and amateurly-leveled on the big screen, ya know? Kinda the reverse of that.

In essence, then, I agree with you- if you missed your chance to watch Avatar in theaters in realD you pretty much lost the point/enjoyment/reason to watch it at all.
Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010, 8:25am

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I agree with you generally, Atom, but I think Hybrid's specific point is that people will mistake the crappy red/blue glasses 3D for real 3D.

It's similar to the recent push nVidia did for 3D games. They sell an awesome shutter glasses version which requires a 100hz monitor, but results in Proper 3D and is apparently awesome. But to promote this system, with certain copies of Batman: Arkham Aslyum they shipped it with red/blue glasses so you could try out the 3D without spending lots.

Nice idea, except that the anaglyph glasses version of 3D is utter arsedribble.

The industry often seems to think that 3D means any form of 3D. But the public will only really accept it properly if they settle on a proper standard and stick to it.

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Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010, 2:58pm

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Atom wrote:

Like knowing the really big twist to a movie that hinges on it- unlike a film that is enjoyable solidly without the twist or with knowing it (ala The Sixth Sense)- a movie like The Usual Suspects is only really fully effective if you go into it blind. Otherwise the effect is lost and the movie falls apart/loses purpose.
This is only true if the movie is not done well or is not well thought out. Some of the great films have been movies with exactly this kind of twist, but that compel you to go back and re-watch multiple times to pick up on subtleties and clues that you didn't notice the first time because you didn't know the twist, but that make the story good the second time through because you have more insight about what is to come, and have emotions and information about what the implications of certain actions may be that you did not have during the first viewing. If a movie like this is done with care, additional viewings can be incredibly satisfying.

This is not to say that there aren't movies that are completely pointless once you know the ending. I've found The Usual Suspects to be extremely enjoyable every time I've watched it, but on the other hand, although I enjoyed The Game with Michael Douglas the first time I saw it, I didn't have any desire to re-watch it.

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Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010, 2:59pm

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Fight Club.

It actually gets a lot better when you rewatch knowing the twist.
Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010, 3:01pm

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Tarn wrote:

Fight Club.

It actually gets a lot better when you rewatch knowing the twist.
Yes! This is one of my favorite movies in the last 15 years, and that is one of the reasons I like it so much.
Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010, 3:05pm

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Agreed, I still maintain that it is the single best film of the 1990s.
Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010, 3:27pm

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The single best film of the 1990s is Toy Story, b1tch!
Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010, 3:37pm

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OK, Fight Club is the best film of the 90s for people that weren't SEVEN in 1995. wink
Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010, 3:40pm

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I was zero years old. ARE YOU INSULTING ME???
Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010, 3:43pm

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Oh god, you weren't born in 1995? And you can talk? That freaks me out. I'm getting old.
Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010, 4:00pm

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I didn't exist.. I was -2 years old...I feel so YOUNG all of a sudden!
Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010, 4:08pm

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Pooky - now you know how we felt 7 years ago when you guys first showed up...
Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010, 4:38pm

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Pooky wrote:

And you can talk? That freaks me out.
It's actually quite simple. wink
Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010, 6:49pm

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I was 4 years old in 1995 (3 for most of it).

Also I wish hadn't known the twist the first time I saw Fight Club. I know the twist to The Usual Suspects which I see as possibly the biggest irreversible fail of my life. I feel like a hard-core catholic who's not a virgin before marriage. I got The Usual Suspects for my birthday in 2005. I had a lot of stuff to do that November (the first time ever I sat real exams). By the time I remembered I hadn't seen it I had already been spoiled on IMDb (on an unrelated message board of course, I'm not that stupid). I waited and waited and waited and waited hoping to forget, but I was blessed with a really great memory. I have now soon waited 5 years, but there is no hope that I'll forget. I could try 5 more, but it really seems like I'll have to wait until I'm in my sixties to forget but that entails that I wont remember to see it. That's the paradox. Also the moment I see him on screen I'll probably remember anyway. It just bums me out. I even contemplated trying to get hold of an experimental drug that is supposed to make traumatized people forget their incident, but I could never go through with it (even if I could get hold of it). I don't even drink or take Paracet because of my attitude to any drug. I think I'll see the film this summer and get it over with.

Damn, I wish I could have seen it fresh.


Other twist movies that got spoiled for me:

The Sixth Sense (classmate)
Fight Club (same classmate, but she wasn't trying to spoil, just discussing twist films at the top of her voice on two separate occasions)
Citizen Cane (Veronica Mars)
Empire Strikes Back (I saw Star wars in this order: TPM, ANH, ESB, RotJ the first time in 2000. Then AotC and RotS when they came out in 2002 and 2005 respectively.)



On topic: Avatar is released here tomorrow. Picking it up on Blu-ray right before going to see Iron Man 2.
Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010, 7:11pm

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Rule #1: Never talk about fight club.
Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010, 8:16pm

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Jerusalem Jackson wrote:

jawajohnny wrote:

EDIT: Wow. Avatar is already the best selling Blu-ray ever.
This fact proves that people will buy anything. I wouldn't even consider buying a BluRay that doesn't have ANY bonus features...
I think this proves that the majority of buyers just don't care about special features. If they like the movie, then they buy it. The only people who are really interested in special features are the filmmaking guys like us.

In Avatar's case, this proves that A LOT of people really liked the movie... and not necessarily just the 3D experience. Like I mentioned in the Avatar thread, I live on Cape Cod (where there is no 3D theater yet), and everyone I know is in love with the movie. Avatar is really popular with the casual movie-going audience... with and without the 3D.
Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010, 10:32pm

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Tarn wrote:

Fight Club.

It actually gets a lot better when you rewatch knowing the twist.
Exactly my point. A film that hinges on something can be very enjoyable, but not necessarily terribly rewatchable. Whereas a film that has a twist but is a solid movie otherwise is elevated past this one-time-disposable-movie nature. The Usual Suspects is an excellent film the first time you watch it, but it's more of a drag-your-feet-and-wait-for-the-cool-ending movie to me every other time. It's a movie about the conclusion, not the journey I guess is what you could say.

The same way Avatar is a movie about the 3D experience, not necessarily the content of the movie itself. This doesn't make it bad, just not terribly rewatchable/interesting for home video patrons.
Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010, 11:48pm

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Tarn wrote:

Hybrid's specific point is that people will mistake the crappy red/blue glasses 3D for real 3D.
Ding. You'd be amazed how many people I have heard use Clash of the Titans as a case for "How good could the 3D in Avatar be?".
Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2010, 8:19am

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The thing about Fight Club is that it's not really a twist. The whole point of the film is the examination of a guy with a split personality, so once you know that, the entire film becomes much more interesting.

That on first viewing it functions as a twist is more of a bonus than anything else.

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Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2010, 8:44am

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SPOILERSPOILERSPOILERS!

Might want to ammend that post, Tarn. While I agree with you on the film taking a deeper, more-engrossing perspective once you know the twist, I can't help but think that feeling occurs in sort of a 'been there done that' way only once you've seen it cold turkey.

As silly as it may sound to want to caution against spoilers for a decade-old movie like Fight Club, it's more of a difference than the 'Bruce Willis was dead the whole time' murmurs that everyone knows.

As I've found (as happened to me) lots of youngsters on this site haven't seen or heard anything about Fight Club past it's name and that 'it has Brad Pitt and Edward Norton in it and is about soap'. And they'll want to see it with our recommendations, I think we all know. smile

BUT, this experience will feel ingenuine if we go and spoil everything. See, the twist was given away for me when I saw it (when I was about 14, I think- had just gotten on here) and it nearly utterly ruined my first experience with the film. Whereas Ben, on the otherhand, went into it blind and loved it immediately.

Now, make no mistake, it's one of my favorite movies and I think one of the greatest films ever made, but it took multiple rewatchings and lots of time for me to truly appreciate it- and I mostly attribute that to the ending being all run over for me, even if only by virtue that it made me watch the entire time looking for ****spoilers***** split personality things *******spoilers******** and less time actually enjoying it, even by habit.

Just a note.
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Other films that get better on second watch include;

Shutter Island
The Usual Suspects.

-Matt
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Atom - point taken. I've spoiler-hidden my post.
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Oh, please. If anyone here reading this hasn't seen/doesn't know the 'twist' of Fight Club, I'll eat my hat.
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Another film that gets better on repeat viewings once you know the twist:

2012

It's much better once you realise that Cusack and the Other Father Figure are genuinely trying to kill each other all the way through, with Cusack of course being victorious when he drops him into the engine room masher.