Force Points for movies and Plugins?
Posted: Fri, 30th Aug 2002, 5:53pm
Post 1 of 26
I think people should be able to be awarded force points for Movies and Plugins aswell as posts. A lot of work goes into those things, an all that comes back is a vote out of 5 stars. I realise this was probably thought out by the Alam site makers, but I'd quite like to know why this is so?
Posted: Fri, 30th Aug 2002, 5:58pm
Post 2 of 26
100 % agree, some of these guys put as much time into a plug in as they do a film, i can think of a few guys that bend over backwards to make plug ins for people.
tmm, H-flip ( sorry spelling ) billy, KERMZ, and many others that have hard names to remember..
may the force ( points ) be with you.
Or at least some way to make it fair, ( not just a force point every time someone makes a film or plug in )
Posted: Fri, 30th Aug 2002, 6:42pm
Post 3 of 26
Yeah, we've been wanting to do this for a while. Its on my original list of things to do. Just a couple of things I need to sort out which maybe someone can offer they're opinion on.Movies
Do you get force for just submitting a movie or based on how it gets rated. If you get it for just submitting a movie people will send us lots and lots of little short things just to get more force. If you do it on how its rated people will attempt to cheat the system even more. The best solution I have come up with so far is to give force based on the votes of gold users (which is pretty cheat proof). You still get the first problem with this tho in that even the worst movies will probably net you at least some force. Maybe I would need to add a min and max force limit.Plugins
I think all the plugins are fantastic, but its obvious some people have put more effort in than others. So im not sure it would be fair to give the same amount of force to each one. I could give differing force to plugins depending on how much effort I personally thought had gone into them, but this would be difficult for me and still not very fair.
At the moment people send me cool zips with a pack of plugins in (like still and animated versions). This is displayed on the site as a single plugin. I think giving force would make people split there plugins into seperate files just so they had a higher quantity.
I was thinking maybe giving force to the top 5 plugins each week. But theres the problem of rating them. Do you base it on quality, usefullness, popularity or effort in its production?
I do think the plugin/movie makers deserve a reward for their efforts, but I want to make sure its done fairly. Any comments/solutions are very welcome.
(btw, you can always give away your own force if you think a plugin/movie particually deserves it
Posted: Fri, 30th Aug 2002, 7:58pm
Post 4 of 26
It's a ticky one, you also have people that have bandwith to show movies and others without, could that stop the people without...?
For movies I think it should be upto the alamdv crew, based on what score and what comments are made about the film. ?
As for plug ins. once again i think it should be upto alamdv crew, but in the same way i rate them, usefullness, quiality, time spent, animation, or still. ( animations do take longer to make )
and yes, the force points is what keeps us all coming back to alam..... i want a red one....
( i would not want it to be gold members giving votes out, as one person might recieve 20 rate points, and anohter person might get none ) and the other point is would you give someone a rate point if they nearly have the same lenght sabre as you.....
Posted: Fri, 30th Aug 2002, 10:06pm
Post 5 of 26
If the movies ratings decide on how many force points you get, the amount of force points you have for the movie could go up and down - can the system do that? Taking a removing based on the exact rating of a movie. Here's an Idea -
0 stars - 0 points
1 star - 10
2 stars - 20
3 stars - 35
4 stars - 50
5 stars -60
That sounds reasonable to me.
BUT!!! What about movies where more than two people on the community made? Sidewinder and I basically have equal effort and time put into all of our movies but more are submitted under his name. How will you give us both credit? Could you start a movies system where you have a list of usernames of people who worked on the movie as opposed to a single name? That would solve that problem.
If you get a way to get points for multiple people, could people abuse it by SAYING someone worked on it, but they really didn't, which in turn gives them force points!
So many questions, so few answers!!
Posted: Fri, 30th Aug 2002, 10:27pm
Post 6 of 26
Well, right now you can transfer points, but I feel everyone should be able to get a force bank type thing. You are alloted a certain amount of points to give to other users, say anywhere between 20 to 75 a week or something. You can give the force to everyone except yourself. And you could have like a little form under every plugin and movie that looked like this:
Give Force: - Amount: [drop down menu here] :: [Give!]
I dunno though, people might start making duplicate accounts or something. I think the only other option would be for CSB to personally rate the plug-ins & movies, and give how much force is deserved. Like, if someone just submitted a 3D spaceship (from someones else's mesh), you could give 'em like 5 or something (no offense, but it's not THAT hard to make a 3D plug-in). But if someone made a really cool particle plug-in where effort was obviously put into it, you could give them like 10 - 20 or something.
Just my 2 cents.
Posted: Fri, 30th Aug 2002, 10:50pm
Post 7 of 26
Well, my arguement when it comes to these types of posts usually goes like this:
When it comes to ratings the way Mecha suggested:
0 stars - 0 points
1 star - 10
2 stars - 20
3 stars - 35
4 stars - 50
5 stars -60
You run into major problems. Many movies recieve 30+ votes. Say, you get 15+ 5's. That's more then 300 points alone! Not to mention the other votes you'd get. This little theory also applies to plugins.
As far as CSB people rating plugins, I'm almost fine with that. But you'd get tons of people saying that you guys are biased, and favor other users, blah blah blah. It would just create a whole lot of mess for you guys to deal with.
The only solution that seems apparent to me, is giving force. The force bank is a good idea, as I don't see too many people giving away their own force very often. Perhaps you would also be limited to the amount you can give, until you have a higher force, kind of like the force transfer system.
I gotta run, but I'll be sure to check in tonight when I get home. Hopefully this wil be the thread that gets the system implemented.
Posted: Fri, 30th Aug 2002, 11:02pm
Post 8 of 26
i think that if force points were to be awarded for movies via ratings, then negative ratings should be allowed to stop movies being made for the sake of it.
Posted: Fri, 30th Aug 2002, 11:07pm
Post 9 of 26
Flip: I think Mecha was talking about an average rating, not certain # of points for EACH rating.
Posted: Fri, 30th Aug 2002, 11:16pm
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Posted: Sat, 31st Aug 2002, 7:46am
Post 11 of 26
Couple of points.
If two people are friends and made the film, they could give force points to each other all day long. ?
The other MAJOR point that now one has thought of is ( pleave give a rate point if you think this is good )
At what point do you give the force points, if it goes by how many people vote a 5 for it, when will it stop, eg: the test has been in the top ten for ages, when would you give him the force, when he first made it, or now because it is in the top ten ?
I think if each person voted then we will have everyone with red sabres,
I save leave it down to the CSB crew, i'm sure they will be fair, and will limit the amount of force points given.
I think i speak for all of us, We like force points,
Posted: Sat, 31st Aug 2002, 8:31am
Post 12 of 26
It shouldnt be that much points.. and i think the forcepoints sould be given if the movie is good.. like:
1 star =0 points
2 stars = 0 points
3 stars = 0 points
4 stars = 10 points
5 stars = 15 points
That is kind a better, then the alamcrew will give them a certian star before upload of the movie.. and will have that star on the side like "alamdv crew star rating" then the normal starvote thing will be as normal.. hope u see my point..
Posted: Sat, 31st Aug 2002, 8:39am
Post 13 of 26
b4uask30male wrote:If two people are friends and made the film, they could give force points to each other all day long. ?
Theoretically that could happen even now, with the forums
If two friends decide to give each other Force points till kingdom come by rating each other's posts +5, there's nothing that can be done.
Posted: Sat, 31st Aug 2002, 10:41am
Post 14 of 26
b4uask: that is why I think mecha was wondering if you could get like "dynamic points." Where the amount of force points you get, keeps changing by the rating. So if someone goes and rates your movie 5 first you get 15 points, but then two people come along and give it both 4's, you get 5 points subtracted from your force count.
Posted: Sat, 31st Aug 2002, 11:00am
Post 15 of 26
what happens if u get an average of 4.5 or something, cos that does happen
Posted: Sat, 31st Aug 2002, 11:08am
Post 16 of 26
Prehaps the dynamic points could go to a sort of holding place, not straight to the authors force account. Then its up to the author when they "cash out" the points, but after you've cashed out that movie doesnt accumilate any more points. It would kinda make a bit of a game of it; do you cash out early and take the points or leave it and hope they go up more.
Also at the cashing out stage the author could decide how to split the points between people that worked on the movie. Adding more than one author to the system properly would require a substantial rewrite so id rather do it that way.
Posted: Sat, 31st Aug 2002, 11:15am
Post 17 of 26
Why not just even think about this, all this forcepoints shit always being discuss.. no one remeber that we do all this for fun and not for some stupid lightsword that grows and change color if u say something..
If u want to give forcepoint to the maker of a movie just vote on the topic that creates when u upload the movie..!
that is what i think anyway! =)
Posted: Sat, 31st Aug 2002, 11:20am
Post 18 of 26
Andreas wrote:If u want to give forcepoint to the maker of a movie just vote on the topic that creates when u upload the movie..!
that is what i think anyway! =)
that's what i have done sometimes
but only when i remember, i think people want to sorta 'reward' the makers of the movies, and the only way they can do this is by giving force (some people don't have tokens, but want to give force buy rating a movie
Posted: Sat, 31st Aug 2002, 2:14pm
Post 19 of 26
For plugins you could split them into animated and still images then award force to the top 5 of each catagory after a set amount of time say 2 weeks. I like the idea of having to 'withdraw' force points but would there be a maximum of how many you can collect or could you just keep on saving for as long as you want. Also after a certain length of time would the force points you have stored become void because you havn't withdrawn them?
Posted: Sat, 31st Aug 2002, 2:43pm
Post 20 of 26
TMM wrote:what happens if u get an average of 4.5 or something, cos that does happen
You round up
Posted: Sat, 31st Aug 2002, 3:14pm
Post 21 of 26
Here's what I think of that giving idea: no. I really don't think people deserve to get a ton of force points for FREE!
Unless it's proportional to their current force. 50-75 points is a lot . . . I'd think that someone at my status would have around 30 points per WEEK to give away if any.
Posted: Sat, 31st Aug 2002, 3:18pm
Post 22 of 26
huh. But we have force tokens that we can easily "just give away." There wouldn't be much of a difference. Also, it wouldn't be like transferring force, it would have a little "Give Force to author" button each plug-in in movie, so you are giving them force for their work, not just for free.
Posted: Sat, 31st Aug 2002, 4:56pm
Post 23 of 26
how about every month, the maker of the movie recieves points based from their average for their movie... EG:
sollthar's THE TEST has an average of 5, so the first month he recieves 50 points, but the next month his average is 5 so he recieves another 40 points, that way they don't just get one lot of points, but they still don't get ridiculously large amounts
what ya think???
Posted: Tue, 10th Sep 2002, 1:02pm
Post 24 of 26
It's interesting how everybody's talking about force points , and none have been rewarded. Ok...Shutting up
Posted: Tue, 10th Sep 2002, 1:27pm
Post 25 of 26
i like malones idea.
the gamble cool idea.
But there should be a limit to the amount of force given to 1 film / plug in
a max of 5, anymore and every one will have red sabres.
and we will have people submitting " the great film in the world part 1, 2, 3, 4,5 " just to get force.
I still think it should either be down to the csb crew or the malone gamble idea.
Posted: Wed, 11th Sep 2002, 8:54am
Post 26 of 26
I like malone's gambling idea, but i think that you should only be allowed to "collect" after say 48 hours of it being in the cinema, otherwise the author could just get someone they knew to vote them as 5, then collect straight away, but after 48 hours the rating might be more realistic. Only a suggestion