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Posted: Wed, 12th May 2010, 11:37pm

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I have been wanting a new camera(not video camera) for a long time and don't know what to choose. Have around $1,000(can go higher or lower but the minimum is around 1,000) to spend. Been looking at the EOS 50D and the EOS Rebel T2i EF-S.

Links to the cameras on the Canon website:
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=17499

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=19943

Okay, so the 50D seems to have better controls and everything but has 15.1 MegaPixels (is $1,099.00) and the Rebel T2i Ef-S has 18.0 MegaPixels.(is $899.99). If you follow the links which would be the better choice?
Also looking for some lenses so I need to think about my budget and how to spend my money.(Can probably spend around $1,300 or more depending on if it's worth it). Really want a Fisheye lense though. Hopefully this is enough information to get a good response from you guys, please help me out. :]
Posted: Wed, 12th May 2010, 11:57pm

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Realistically, you will not notice the difference between 15 and 18 MP. 15 MP is plenty for anything you want to do, unless you are aiming at printing billboards, and then you'll want to go another route anyway. Also, the slightly lower pixel count on the 50D means larger pixels on the sensor, which translates to less noise, though in actual tests the difference isn't tremendous.

The more 'pro' body and controls on the 50D are probably worth the additional cost, but if you are at all interested in the video aspect of things, then opting for the T2i instead provides you with the best video camera available anywhere for under $10k.
Posted: Thu, 13th May 2010, 2:13am

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Axeman wrote:

the T2i instead provides you with the best video camera available anywhere for under $10k.
Surely you mean $1k? I would pick a bit differently if I had up to $10k to spend! wink

But, yeah, I'll second the T2i, simply because of the HD recording. I realize that's not your main deciding factor now, but it is just too nice not to be accounted for. Also, a bit of light Googling found this. Choice quote:

Secondly, do NOT get a 50D right now. The 60D is due to be announced soon, so you could either look at that or get a 50D at reduced price once it's announced.
That was from 3 months ago, but another quick search revealed no 60D announcement as of yet, so hopefully official word from Canon will come soon.
Posted: Thu, 13th May 2010, 2:15am

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Spend more money and get the Canon 7D. For still photos, the build quality and other features (remote-fire flash capability, etc) are going to be worth the extra cash.
Posted: Thu, 13th May 2010, 3:34am

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Spend more money and get the Canon 7D. For still photos, the build quality and other features (remote-fire flash capability, etc) are going to be worth the extra cash.
Plus you get a burst mode of 8fps (give or take) which I use all the time. The t2i is basically the same sensor as the 7d, but the 7d has more features and is weather sealed. I've shot with it in light rain (the captive). It is an extra $600-$700 but if you have the money it's worth it. To be honest, I wish the 7d was only 12 mega pixels or so instead of 18 because it adds to much noise. Don't get me wrong, it does pretty decent in low light, but never go above iso 2000 unless you absolutely have to get the shot.
Posted: Thu, 13th May 2010, 3:52am

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No, I meant $10k. Yes, the camera is under $1k, but the only other cameras that can come close for under $10,000.00 are the couple other DSLR offerings from Canon. That's why the camera is such a tremendously good deal. But I suppose to be more precise I should've said, 'one of the best', which is actually what I meant. The RED ONE is in the same range, but you can't actually get a useable kit for $10k, you need to spend loads more on lenses, storage, and other gear to get a functioning camera. And even then, when you've spent near $40k to get a RED setup, you get the same size sensor as the T2i, and the same rolling shutter. Though the RED will record RAW video, which provides a noticeable quality improvement.

The 50D should have weather sealing comparable to the 7D, as well as the other pro features. If you definitely won't use the video features, there's not much point to getting the 7D over the 50D, but I'd still highly recommend the 7D. I have one and love it. Since you mostly took video out of the equation I didn't bother bringing it up.
Posted: Thu, 13th May 2010, 8:58pm

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Okay thanks for all the help! I think i'm going to choose the Rebel T2i EF-S. Foudn this sale on Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/CANON-EOS-Digital-Rebel-T2i-550D-SLR-Camera-4-lens-SALE-/130389981143?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item1e5bd937d7

It seems pretty decent, comes with lenses, a case, warranty, tripods, memory card and alot more. Should I buy this? Or buy the Camera and buy individual lenses on my own. But the price on the sale is by 25% so it seems like I might save money from it.

Well thanks for all the help, hopefully you can help me out some more. Can always count on you guys for help on here.
Posted: Thu, 13th May 2010, 9:38pm

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To be honest, I'd pass on that kit. that listing is padded like crazy to make it seem like there is more there than there actually is, and what is there is not good quality.

The third and fourth lenses in that kit aren't actually lenses, they are screw-on wide-angle and telephoto converters. Which isn't necessarily bad, but if you are going to use converters of that sort, you should always stick with the camera manufacturers brand, so in this case Canon. Focus is always dubious at best when using third-party converters.

The tripods included there will both be worthless. The last 7 items shown are part of the standard camera package, and are included even if you only buy the body. The hardshell case might be good, though its hard to say without them even mentioning a brand. The soft case looks alright.

The two Tamron lenses should be fine, though 28mm is the widest they go (without the wide angle converter), and that isn't wide angle at all on the crop sensor in the T2i.

I would probably opt for something more like This kit from B&H. The lenses aren't quite as long, but you do get optical stabilization, which is a big improvement over the Tamrons in the other kit. And they get you down to 18mm on the wide angle end. There aren't as many bells and whistles included, but its also cheaper, so you can select a couple of additional accessories and buy good ones to start with, then add onto your kit as you go. I'd recommend a couple decent size memory cards, (you don't necessarily need the super-fast expensive ones if you aren't doing video work) an extra battery, a case of some sort, and a set of filters to start with (UV and polarizer). You'll probably find a smaller soft case more convenient than that big hardshell, unless you are carrying lots of gear on photo expeditions.
Posted: Thu, 13th May 2010, 9:42pm

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Yeah that ebay kit is a joke, waste of money. Also, always read reviews on the lenses you buy. http://fredmiranda.com is a great lens review site. You may have done this, I'm not sure, but always make sure, don't just buy a kit because it's convenient.
Posted: Fri, 14th May 2010, 10:15am

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If you want a hard case, I suggest somewhere like Maplin.co.uk, they're often available for £15-ish ready for you to trim the foam to suit what you need. Or spend a bit more and get a waterproof one, make up for the less waterproof 550D body wink
Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010, 10:05pm

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Thanks AxeMan, the T2i Kit is out of stock(link that you gave) But I also found this for the T1i.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/657637-REG/Canon__EOS_Rebel_T1i_Digital.html

Same lenses but only it's the T1i. Is this better? Or is the T2i much better?
Posted: Sun, 16th May 2010, 2:29am

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I've got a T2i and it's pretty much the best thing ever. You were the person who asked for video camera advice a while back right? You got an HV20 and 35mm adapter? Well if that was you then you better off buying a T2i and selling the hv20 and 35mm adapter and even though the pictures arent quite as good as the 50D/7D they're still excellent.

The T1i doesn't have the video function the T2i has btw... so no its not better. Honestly get the T2i with 18-55mm kit lense for $900 (I even got mine from my local best buy) and then order a 50mm 1.4 or 1.8 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/12140-USA/Canon_2515A003_50mm_f_1_4_USM_Autofocus.html
Posted: Sun, 16th May 2010, 2:50am

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Yeah i'm that person but it was an HV40 not an HV20. Yeah if the video recording is that good then I might sell the HV40. Been having trouble with it anyway. Been trying for months for it to connect with my computer. Have asked on a forumn on here, tryed different cables and connection, changed settings, even emailed the canon website for support, also had someone that works with cameras and computers to look at it and they couldn't figure it out either. But thanks. :]
Posted: Sun, 16th May 2010, 2:52am

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Oh and I already have a 50mm 1.4, it's the only lense I have right now. Also have the 35mm adapter but that's it.