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Would you pay to watch live streaming from a film set?

Would you pay to see live streaming from a film set?

Yes, I'd be interested to see what goes on live.20%[ 6 ]
No Don't want to watch how they make big films.23%[ 7 ]
Maybe, if the price was cheap and I could use paypal23%[ 7 ]
Yes, I'd be interested but I wouldn't pay.33%[ 10 ]

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Posted: Sat, 22nd May 2010, 7:46pm

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Hi

Just thinking about those blu ray extra's on dvds and those video diaries that LOTR done and I wondered if there was a big film that used sets and animatronics, make up etc, would you pay to watch live streaming of it.

This would be from the very start of the production, so from preproduction upto some point when the film is being shot.

Lets say there was camera's to choose from:

cameras in the production office
camers in the prop / set / sound stage building
cameras in the model shop (where they would be creatures etc)
camera that would float around with someone asking questions close up to the people working on that film.

Then at the weekend there would be a highlighted version for people that couldn't watch it all at one time.

Would you pay to see this? if yes how much per month would you pay?
Posted: Sat, 22nd May 2010, 8:20pm

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Its kind of a mix between 1 and 3. I would be very interested but at the same time I don't want to blow my margins. When it comes to how much I would pay per month, maybe around $50. I honestly don't think I could find enough free time to fathom spending any more.

$50 may be low but it seems there would be a lot of down time. That and most of my free time would be very late at night when there is no shooting going on.
Posted: Sat, 22nd May 2010, 8:45pm

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Interesting, I was thinking I'd pay no more than £5 per month on a non contract basis, $50 is a lot of money.
Posted: Sat, 22nd May 2010, 8:55pm

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Personally, no, but it's an interesting idea to raise finance, I like how you're thinking!

I find production absolutely tedious to be honest, it bores the you-know-what out of me live, so on cam I'd lose interest in minutes. I get bored on my own productions! The problem for me is that most of the time, nothing happens. Your highlights packages may be interesting though. And if you have a Megan Fox Dressing Room cam, I might get more interested wink

One thing to consider - how will your cast and crew feel about being constantly watched? Will they get worried about being scrutinised? Will you risk giving away too much of the plot, too?

If you can get serious revenue from this, I may steal your idea one day wink I'll be watching how it pans out...

Oh, and if you need technical advice on setting up live web streaming without paying the premium prices any decent CDN charges (eating your profits), I may be able to help smile
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2010, 7:59am

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Thanks Paddy,

The idea wasn't a way to raise finance (I've got my finance for the new project) but I thought it might be good for people interested in make up, set designs, production meetings etc.

The live part wouldn't be live more like an hour behind with a person watching it to make sure nothing bad happens or too much script gets leaked.
All departments are happy for with the idea of the cameras, infact the model shop already has webcams in there.

Honestly if you can help with the streaming I'd be very happy to talk, either as a full time employee or freelance setting up and leaving it to one of our guys to take over.
(Everything is green lit on the project you know about, planning to start pre-production in August, so please get in touch asap)
thanks
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2010, 8:03am

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No. A live stream of a production doesn't sound interesting at all. I'd pay good money for a well made an informative Making Of - it's the main reason I buy DVD's - but a life stream of people standing around, talking from one single boring perspective? Erm... no.
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2010, 10:09am

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Thanks Solly, normally I agree but then there's shows like Big Brother where NOTHING happens at all and they ran for years.

So the highlight version on the weekends is something you'd watch if it's shot well and has proper close up's on what's going on with the crew chatting about what they are doing: eg:

The floating camera has a presenter and she would go up to the person making a monster and will stay with them asking them questions on why and how they are making it etc.
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2010, 1:11pm

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Interesting, so you're looking at it as a self-sustaining/breakeven kind of thing, for exposure? Be interesting to see if it works out smile

Glad you've got finance - you have PM smile
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2010, 1:25pm

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That's right, it's not for the money as I know we don't need it but working in pinewood they are shooting pirates 4 there at the moment and i'd love to see the sets being built, the costumes, make up etc, so I thought maybe I could start something new! was just an idea.
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2010, 1:40pm

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Hehe, I'd also never even dream of watching something like big brother myself. And just watching people work is also not my idea of interesting.
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2010, 5:23pm

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Technically, watching a movie is watching Actors work. smile
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2010, 5:34pm

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I would love to see how things on a big set really work actually (without being a runner, or film school, or anything). Who talks to who for what, the process, etc. That way if I ever got a budget somehow, I'd know where to start at least without doing the whole "become a runner and work your way up" or something. I could make my own living, make my own films on the side, and strive for that financed film with a little bit of know-how.

Maybe there's a better way to learn set etiquette and stuff (and I feel like pdrg is the man with the answer to that smile), but this seems an interesting way to do it.

I voted yes, but what I really meant to choose was "yes, but make it cheap." smile I also think it would be cool if there was some kind of commentator who was explaining what's going on and teaching the set etiquette. I can see a lot of people paying for that.
Posted: Mon, 24th May 2010, 6:20am

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Thanks for your ideas there Serpent, all interesting points.

I didn't think about the structure of the chain of command.

Thanks.
Posted: Mon, 24th May 2010, 7:40am

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My first thoughts are is this some kind of web cam that's stationary someplace that is gonna be a fly-on-the-wall type of approach? How would you mic the people talking so the subscribers could here adequately?

While watching something behind the scenes is always kinda cool, I don't know if this approach would work.

I mean if there was a Christian Bale meltdown on set then that would be entertaining, but how often would that happen?
Posted: Mon, 24th May 2010, 8:45am

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I'd be interested to dip in and out of such a thing, but there's absolutely no way I'd pay for it.

My interest in such a venture would also be directly related to the project itself. If it was Spielberg's new movie, or a James Cameron set, or Transformers 3, then I'd be there. If it was Random Indie Movie #532, then no.

I can't see it working, though - people wouldn't behave normally knowing there were live cameras all around them. It would interefere with the process too much.
Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010, 7:01pm

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Big film sets are boring, believe me nothing happens. I get tired watching them first hand so I would never see myself watching it on my computer let alone paying for it.
Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010, 8:02pm

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It would be brilliant to be able to as someone else has said 'dip' in and out. I'm hoping to be handling all the construction behind the scenes and making of for Pirates 4 and hopefully the timelapse photography for the sets at Pinewood. Some of the material i get would be brilliant to be available online so fans and people who want to see how the film is coming along could get access to the camera and see a very nice resolution sneak peak of the pirate ship being built for example. Should they pay? No, but I imagine it would help create a nice new angle of making of features that are online now.

And as most people know, the big films, nothing really happens on a big film set aside from a few times a day the 'action' is called, then a reset that can take up to 2-3 hours. I'm pretty sure people would get a bit bored and go and play Mario.

I would. I even try and play Mario when I'm working on set.

Mario.
Posted: Thu, 27th May 2010, 6:25am

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Hmmmm

I think everyone is seeing it from one point of view.

Lets look at what's been said, you get bored on film sets, forgive me for saying this but you are a small cog in a large wheel, things you don't see are: production meetings, set designer talking to the director and line producer about the sets and costs, you don't see the model shop working hard etc.

What you see that makes it boring is: important people passing you while you graft moving things around.

Let me ask you a question? If you was the director on Pirates 4 would you be bored? NO!! Because you would be in the thick of it and not some guy helping out at the bottom.

You see you've all watched the "behind the scenes" why ? if you say it's boring... well because it has the bits you never see because you don't have access to see it.

I hope I've made myself clear, forgive me if it sounds rude, but to sum up: If I worked in Jurassic part as a runner for example and said to you lot it's boring as HELL, then that's because I didn't see what the director saw, now if I had a chance to see a camera follow the director it would'nt be boring.

Hope this helps.
Thanks
Posted: Thu, 27th May 2010, 6:33am

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It's because there IS a lot of setting up and downtime in a movie, that's a FACT. We could watch Spielbrug 24/7, I guarantee you the only 'golden moments' are in certain directions, certain takes, and that it's not like that 100%.

This is why we have featurettes and behind-the-scenes stuff post-haste: because we get to see the best bits with none of the inane waiting. It's all good, none bad. And it's a one-time fee, not some bullsh!t pay-to-watch deal. All the 'highlights' you mention happening all over the place are exactly that - highlights. If you had a constant set-camera stream, it wouldn't be from 80 locations, it would be from the set and maybe one office. On the other hand, edited segments can come from any number of locations with only one camera.

You're going backwards in your thinking if you think people will readily pay to watch a film set. And if filmmakers already aren't interested, what makes you think people will be?
Posted: Thu, 27th May 2010, 7:25am

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Yeah, bear in mind people here are people that are inherently interested in filmmaking.

A film set and production offices are not interesting to an uninvolved observer. That's just how it is. You say that it isn't interesting to the director of Pirates 4, but of course it isn't: he's the director, he's involved every step of the way.

I personally don't find film sets boring, but I'm absolutely aware that they are to most people. It's mostly management stuff and preparation, with tiny spurts of activity. In other words, a film set is mostly like any other day job. The glamour and excitement and innovation comes in-between.

I still think a free feed would be popular, as people could drop in and out. And if the production schedule was published as well, people would know when to drop in to watch specific bits and pieces.

But don't overestimate how interested people will be, let alone the general public.
Posted: Thu, 27th May 2010, 7:32am

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The highlights part is clearly what makes it possible, which is where a hybrid scheme may work, one that is actively managed, so it vision mixes a stream from several banks of cameras, more like the overnight feeds from Big Brother when they go live. There will still be acres of nothing, but at least over the course of the day, a mixed/managed feed can hunt out the action, or cut to a presenter-led section if there is one, etc. To do it properly may be more expensive than it's worth, but there may be a midpoint somewhere where it can be done cheaply yet still keep the interest up
Posted: Thu, 27th May 2010, 8:03am

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If the crew was aware of the stream, and they explained things about things and there were interviews with all kinds of different people, and commentary, and all that jazz I would watch that all day. I'll make some popcorn and swipe my credit card for $50+. But it would have to be done well, so maybe an itinerary of what's going down should be posted beforehand to encourage watchers and get some word of mouth spreading. Preshot things like time lapses would be amazing to fill gaps, breaks, when you are setting up a shot for the stream, technical difficulties, etc. That is a big risk with a live stream.

I think it would help the film a lot within the filmmaking community, which is a very good thing. I'd prefer high budget indie over anything, but anything above that would be cool if it was a busy day, and medium budget with a large crew would still be cool. But yeah, free would be best, and it would probably help sell the film and get it out there, which is more important.
Posted: Thu, 27th May 2010, 8:05am

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In some ways the films I'd be most interested in seeing get made are those I have least interest in watching - I would absolutely LOVE fly-on-the-wall style access to, say, Transformers 3, or Pirates 4. The films will probably be slightly rubbish, but the technical expertise involved in making them is generally off the scale, and on a level I'll never experience directly myself.

Indie stuff would still be of interest, but it'd be much closer to my own experiences, and thus less compelling for me personally.
Posted: Thu, 27th May 2010, 9:07am

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b4uask30male wrote:



Let me ask you a question? If you was the director on Pirates 4 would you be bored? NO!! Because you would be in the thick of it and not some guy helping out at the bottom.

I hope I've made myself clear, forgive me if it sounds rude, but to sum up: If I worked in Jurassic part as a runner for example and said to you lot it's boring as HELL, then that's because I didn't see what the director saw, now if I had a chance to see a camera follow the director it would'nt be boring.
Helping out at the bottom? I'm sure you as much as anyone Ian know that no matter your role on a film, it's an important one. I find being a 3rd AD or 2nd at times extremely busy and stressful, yet there are moments after setting up that drag out. I worked as a field producer on Prince of Persia and found myself with a lot of responsibility to send information, updates and media over to the states on a daily basis. Yet for all these responsibilities, there were hours on set every day, especially on 2nd/splinter unit, that everything was at a standstill whilst things were reset.

Would it be interesting if the Director was followed around? Yes, but it would only follow through to make another interesting behind the scenes documentary. I've worked closely to a few big budget directors now and I don't think any of them would say they'd enjoy a camera following them all the time! It's hard enough to get them into a right frame of mind for an on-set interview for broll or epk usage.

So yeah, following the Director around constantly would be great, but I'd still imagine that for every 10 hours of footage filmed you'd end up with around 10 mins of usable material. It definitely wouldn't be live. I also think Health and Safety would love to pounce on any live footage aired. The amount of footage I couldn't send over or use from Persia because of crew not wearing appropriate safety gear was huge. Doesn't matter if the director is talking the talk if one of the so called 'bottom' people were working hard in the background without a hi-vis on.
Posted: Thu, 27th May 2010, 6:07pm

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Hi,

All good points thanks, (when I said bottom I ment those that don't see everything because they have a job)

To sum up the points and votes:

People would be interested in seeing a non live feed or download free or very cheap that contains an interviewer asking key questions to key people and in depth footage of events etc.

I'll take onboard all those points.
Posted: Thu, 27th May 2010, 6:16pm

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Like Simon said, I would be interested to pop in and watch something like this from time-to-time depending on the type of film. Having said that I certainly wouldn't pay for it. crazy

There would also have to be some archives online so I can just dip in to the bits I want as the daily feed isn't likely to be that interesting.
Posted: Thu, 27th May 2010, 9:58pm

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Maybe a weekly summary show is the way to do - still a lot of work, mind, 15-30 mins/week will need a small crew itself (although there are ways to minimise it). That's a show I'd be a lot more interested in watching though, and from your side you'd have more control as to what's in/out, and you get to keep it more concentrated.
Posted: Fri, 28th May 2010, 1:40am

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This has actually been done on the set of Star Wars Episode III. They had multiple angles for the larger soundstages, cams in the model shop, etc. On the side of the feed, they had links to "jump" to interesting happenings from earlier in the stream ("Click here to watch Obi-Wan take out a droid!"). While the clips were pretty interesting, the live feed wasn't exactly compelling. And that was Star Wars! Now, imagine a <$500k set... unsure

Definitely would be interested in BTS featurettes, though. They did weekly updates like that on SW:EPIII and PJ's King Kong, both of which they were able to monetize.
Posted: Fri, 28th May 2010, 6:18am

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Thanks again guys, great debate and all good points, I didn't know Star wars did that! interesting.

Thanks, I'll be sure to let you know what I do when the time comes, it will be a lot bigger budget than a $500k set.

Thanks
Posted: Fri, 28th May 2010, 8:50pm

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I think I might have missed the boat a little, but here's my two pence anyway:

I don't think I'd ever watch it, let alone pay for it. I also don't think that the public would go for it. It'll be very, very boring; and very, very expensive for little reward from the production side of things.

For a start, the live stream would have to be on a compliance delay, and have a staff member / team dedicated to monitoring the feed 24/7 (or at least whenever the stream was live). Imagine if there was an accident on set and you broadcast someone being horrifically injured or killed, live to the internet. Whilst that might not be terribly likely, the repercussions would be pretty major.

Likewise, the live stream would very likely have to be mute, for legal reasons such as libel - if your 1st AD walks off set and into the production office and starts badmouthing the DoP or actors or whatever, then you're getting into seriously sticky territory: by broadcasting those allegations you could end up on the wrong end of a libel lawsuit. Plus, it'd be very annoying to work in an environment where your every word was (potentially) being monitored by other members of production staff and/or the public.

So you've got a live feed of very dull, probably mute footage, and you're having to pay a staff member (or team of staff members) to constantly monitor the stream to make sure you don't broadcast anything illegal or offensive... I can't really see this getting off the ground.

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Posted: Sat, 29th May 2010, 7:27am

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Thanks, I did know that it wouldn't be live and that i'd need someone to monitor it.

I value all your points.

I can't help but think what did the people say when they pitched big brother.
"We want to have a live show watching people sleep" lol
Posted: Tue, 1st Jun 2010, 8:10am

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Big Brother is quite different in concept, though. They have 'challenges' to get the people to do stupid things, and they're all living in the same house, not just working there. There's the constant voyeuristic thrill of "will they, won't they", plus they tend to pick a mix of people that will encourage conflict or humour through their general stupidity.

I absolutely loathe the show on just about every level, but it functions in a very different way to a theoretical live 'behind the scenes' web broadcast.
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Good news Tarn, this (series 11) is the last you'll see of BB (on C4 at least)! And it means C4 are freeing up £20M/year for original quality drama event programming (like Red Riding was) - they've already got Shane Meadows down to direct one of them...

Of course it doesn't mean Five or Sky won't buy BB, but they're MUCH easier to ignore smile
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Yeah, fantastic news. About 2-3 years ago it started to become apparent that the reality TV fad was dissipating. Hopefully it'll be relegated to the crapola channels from now on.