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Summer Camp Movie Project Advice

Posted: Tue, 1st Jun 2010, 9:07pm

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Boycarino

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In a nutshell, I'm working on a video project for a kids summer camp. It needs not be perfect, but the perfectionist I am wants at least a semi good product.

Essentially I'm looking for advice, tips & tricks, and pitfalls...

If I'm in the wrong forum please let me know...

I'm using a JVC Everio HD AVC HD Camcorder to do all the filming in front of a green screen. When it exports it automatically exports in .wmv format and I think I have to convert the files to .avi in order to key my footage in Composite lab.

So far my tests are less than stellar. Is the problem my camera? Though I'm filming in the highest definition (at least as far as I can tell) I still get poorly defined keying.

I've watched a few tutorials and such... Is trial and error the best method now to work this out? It's rather daunting for the level of project I'm doing.

Anyway...thanks for any input you might offer. Let me know if I can provide more details.
Posted: Tue, 1st Jun 2010, 9:24pm

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Axeman

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Please provide a clip of the original footage so we can have a look. By original, I mean the greenscreen footage before it is keyed. If you can upload a short clip (1 or 2 seconds should be plenty) and give us a link, we can offer more accurate and specific advice. At the very least, take a screencap and upload an image so we can see the footage, if you don't have webspace for a video.

The problem could be your lighting, it could be your camera, it could be the conversion process you are using on the footage, or it could be your settings in CompositeLab. There are other potential problems as well, but those are the main ones to check. Once we see the footage, it shouldn't be too difficult to narrow it down.

Some more detailed description of what is wrong with the key could be helpful as well.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jun 2010, 2:54pm

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Boycarino

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I've worked on cleaning up the keying issue and have made tremendous progress... However, my new problem is worse. When I go to render the footage from CompositeLab, the render process freezes out my computer and stops responding completely...

Do I still need to upload some footage or screenies or is this a problem others have had.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jun 2010, 2:58pm

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Axeman

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If you are happy with your recent keying efforts, then great. If you feel like there is still some room for improvement, uploading a clip would be the way to go, so we could offer suggestions.

As to the freezing issue, when exactly does it freeze, what format are you rendering to, and what codec have you selected?
Posted: Fri, 4th Jun 2010, 5:35pm

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Boycarino

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Let me take you through my process thus far...

The original file when taken from the camera is an .MTS file which is annoying. I use a converter to convert it to AVI. Now because I'm sorta remedial when it comes to this stuff I just leave the settings as they are. I figure if I mess with it I'll mess it up.

This conversion goes off well and then I open it up and perform my keying inside CompositeLab. Then I render in AVI and choose a random codec (I've been trying different ones to see if I can get different results and thus far...no).

I click once the render process begins it looks fine for about a second and hangs at 2/2607 frames and then has a freeze. I can't cancel the conversion and I can't exit out of the program. I have to CTRL-ALT-DEL in order to move forward.

My question is this... Coming from .MTS what codec should I choose in the original conversion process and then which one do I choose in the render options?

EDIT: And while I'm at it... I'm getting those annoying interlacing lines as well. I read the FAQ about that and have another question. If the final project is going to be burned to DVD and then projected in a DVD projector should I leave the footage interlaced or no?
Posted: Fri, 4th Jun 2010, 6:29pm

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Axeman

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What codec are you currently using when you convert the .mts files? I understand it is the default one, but what is the default?

The Neoscene codec from Cineform has been recommended for similar situations. I personally stick with ProRes codecs in Quicktime format, as I edit in Final Cut, but if you are on a PC then the Cineform codec will be a better option. I'm not familiar with the other good intermediate codecs on the AVI side of things. If you can convert the original files into Quicktime, then Animation, Apple Intermediate, or ProRes are all excellent codec options.

If your final project will be on a dvd, then it should be interlaced, yes. You could de-interlace it, and it would still work, but when you de-interlace you throw away half of the data from every frame of your video. Its pretty destructive, and should be avoided if you want to retain quality.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jun 2010, 7:21pm

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Boycarino

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Thanks a lot for your replies... I'm sure you know how frustrating it can be to be lost and almost in the dark...

I think it originally converts with the Cinepak Codec.
Posted: Mon, 7th Jun 2010, 6:31am

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kate59588

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Boycarino wrote:

In a nutshell, I'm working on a video project for a kids summer camp. It needs not be perfect, but the perfectionist I am wants at least a semi good product.

Essentially I'm looking for advice, tips & tricks, and pitfalls...

If I'm in the wrong forum please let me know...

I'm using a JVC Everio HD AVC HD Camcorder to do all the filming in front of a green screen. When it exports it automatically exports in .wmv format and I think I have to convert the files to .avi in order to key my footage in Composite lab.

So far my tests are less than stellar. Is the problem my camera? Though I'm filming in the highest definition (at least as far as I can tell) I still get poorly defined keying.

I've watched a few tutorials and such... Is trial and error the best method now to work this out? It's rather daunting for the level of project I'm doing.

Anyway...thanks for any input you might offer. Let me know if I can provide more details.
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