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Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 5:36am

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Hey I have two pieces of equipment that I've loved but I understand there's better out there. Ever since I got my sony dcr-hc36 camcorder I have certainly loved it. But I don't know if an upgrade is at all necessary. The other piece of equipment that I have always had and never had any problems with is Windows Movie Maker. Should I upgrade to newer equipment or am I fine with what I have?
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 5:40am

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Well, yeah... There's much, much, much better equipment and software available to you, but it depends on what you're going to use it for. If you're filming home movies for your family and want to quickly edit them together, your current set up is fine. If you want to make movies for a living, you're going to need to do some hardcore upgrading.
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 6:02am

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Aculag wrote:

If you want to make movies for a living, you're going to need to do some hardcore upgrading.
Well, you don't have to be doing it for a living to look into upgrading. Even if you're just looking into filmmaking as a serious hobby, you'll want some better equipment. Look into getting some audio gear (like an external microphone), and a better editing system. If you're not quite ready to make the jump into buying a more expensive camera, borrow some one else's and get to know how to work with some manuel settings. Eventually you're going to want to learn some about lighting.

The point is, if you want to take Filmmaking seriously, yes, you'll want to upgrade your stuff. But learn what you need and why you need it before you spend the money.
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 8:05am

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Thrawn wrote:

Well, you don't have to be doing it for a living to look into upgrading.
I was just giving him some extremes.
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 8:21am

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Almost any video editor will be better, faster and more creative than WMM.
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 9:48am

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nerfgunnerz3 wrote:

Hey I have two pieces of equipment that I've loved but I understand there's better out there. Ever since I got my sony dcr-hc36 camcorder I have certainly loved it. But I don't know if an upgrade is at all necessary. The other piece of equipment that I have always had and never had any problems with is Windows Movie Maker. Should I upgrade to newer equipment or am I fine with what I have?
This all depends on what your budget to upgrade is, and if your getting any income - this way you might have some finance options. I'm not really recommending doing the monthly payments route but if you have a steady income and can pay it off fast then go for it. (unless you know someone with a HD camera who is willing to let you borrow theirs. Very rare) But a T2i is a great HD camera for the price and might be something worth looking into. As far as editing software, yes there is better, but if you have very basic needs that might be all you need. This all depends on what money you have or if you have a friend who has premiere or something and doesn't mind sharing his license. You can instal up to 2 computers with that program. (not sure about others)
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 1:59pm

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I personally hate Moviemaker with a passion. I can't think of any times where I was able to edit without it crashing and losing my files. It is also painfully slow and clumsy to work with.

Do yourself a favor and at least get a cheapo editor, such as Sony Vegas, Adobe Premiere or Final Cut (on Mac, doesn't apply here) even if your just editing home movies.
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 2:46pm

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ok, ive searched up the T2i on google and all it is is a bunch of picture cameras. I don't have an income just to let everyone know. But next summer I've got a job so I might invest in a HV20 (just cuz I don't wanna pay so much money and I know by then the price will be way down.) As fot the editing software goes I might invest in something like Cyberlink Powerdirector since it's only $50 and it's good crap.[/code]
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 3:00pm

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nerfgunnerz3 wrote:

ok, ive searched up the T2i on google and all it is is a bunch of picture cameras
You might want to do a bit more research. smile Check out the HDSLR topic here in the forums as a starting point.

I might invest in something like Cyberlink Powerdirector since it's only $50 and it's good crap.[/code]
For that kind of price I'd probably recommend checking out Sony Vegas. Their starting product is around that price and it's a much more common editor.

Best thing, though, is to try out all the demos and see which one you prefer.
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 3:52pm

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Tarn wrote:

nerfgunnerz3 wrote:

ok, ive searched up the T2i on google and all it is is a bunch of picture cameras
You might want to do a bit more research. smile Check out the HDSLR topic here in the forums as a starting point.
ok, look: http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&biw=1024&bih=578&q=Canon+T2i&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g3&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 3:57pm

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ok,look: http://vimeo.com/videos/search:t2i/aa23f684
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=canon+t2i&aq=f
and: http://philipbloom.net/2010/06/06/whichdslr/
I'm assuming you didn't take Tarn's advice and check the HDSLR topic?
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 4:07pm

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Yes, you've found lots of images of the T2i. Searching for 'Canon T2i' on Google images will generally have that result. smile

The T2i is primarily a stills camera but it is also a very powerful HD video camera, which is why it's been mentioned.

Here's the HDSLR topic I mentioned:

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=42361

I'd suggest not basing your purchasing decisions entirely on Google image results. razz
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 4:12pm

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mikeh wrote:

at least get a cheapo editor, such as Sony Vegas, Adobe Premiere or Final Cut (on Mac, doesn't apply here)
I have Sony Vegas and it is not cheap. I'm sure other people would agree.
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 4:16pm

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I got Vegas for about £100, which is pretty cheap, and there were cheaper options. Of course, Vegas Pro is more expensive.

Are you talking about price or quality?
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 4:17pm

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Storm Grenade wrote:

mikeh wrote:

at least get a cheapo editor, such as Sony Vegas, Adobe Premiere or Final Cut (on Mac, doesn't apply here)
I have Sony Vegas and it is not cheap. I'm sure other people would agree.
Well the pro version isn't, but I don't think $90 is expensive for the great features that it includes. http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Vegas-Movie-Studio-Platinum/dp/B003L51CZ8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1280333834&sr=8-1

EDIT: Tarn beat me to it
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 4:20pm

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I think people are referring to Sony Vegas Movie Studio, the hobbyist version of Vegas. Roughly $50 to $100, depending on what you want.

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/moviestudiope/compare
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 4:22pm

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ok, is the T2i just a video camera that looks like a picture camera?
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 4:23pm

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Tarn wrote:


The T2i is primarily a stills camera but it is also a very powerful HD video camera, which is why it's been mentioned.
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 4:31pm

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Tarn wrote:

Are you talking about price or quality?
To my it sounded like quality. Yes the product is pretty (price-wise) cheap, I agree.

I misinterpreted it, I suppose, but didn't cheapo editor sound like a bad thing? It did to me.
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 5:18pm

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Storm Grenade wrote:

Tarn wrote:

Are you talking about price or quality?
To my it sounded like quality. Yes the product is pretty (price-wise) cheap, I agree.

I misinterpreted it, I suppose, but didn't cheapo editor sound like a bad thing? It did to me.
Haha my bad actually, that was a typo. crazy

I feel stupid.
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 7:30pm

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mikeh wrote:

I personally hate Moviemaker with a passion. I can't think of any times where I was able to edit without it crashing and losing my files. It is also painfully slow and clumsy to work with.
When I didn't know anything about FXhome, I use to use WMM. It wasn't that bad it just had poor editing qualities. Now I use CompositeLab pro, and I'm about to get EffectsLab pro. I recommend them to you.
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2010, 7:51pm

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austin44 wrote:

mikeh wrote:

I personally hate Moviemaker with a passion. I can't think of any times where I was able to edit without it crashing and losing my files. It is also painfully slow and clumsy to work with.
When I didn't know anything about FXhome, I use to use WMM. It wasn't that bad it just had poor editing qualities. Now I use CompositeLab pro, and I'm about to get EffectsLab pro. I recommend them to you.
It is a better idea to get a NLE (non linear editor) before getting a specialty program such as Composite Lab. Some filmmakers will need green screening, but ALL will require a editing program.
Posted: Thu, 29th Jul 2010, 9:20pm

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CompositeLab Pro and EffectsLab Pro aren't NLEs at all. They are special-effects software for chromakeying and VFX. They were never intended to edit the sound, length, or quality/resolution. That was what an actual NLE was designed for. Just as mikeh said it is pretty much impossible, to edit the movie using ELP or CLP...actually, I'm pretty sure it is impossible. ELP and CLP can't edit sound, which is really important when making a movie. wink

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Posted: Fri, 30th Jul 2010, 3:39am

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Alright guys ive decided that im gonna stick to wmm. Shes been my baby for so long and always will be.
Posted: Fri, 30th Jul 2010, 4:02am

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nerfgunnerz3 wrote:

Alright guys ive decided that im gonna stick to wmm. Shes been my baby for so long and always will be.
Worst decision you'll ever make as far as filmmaking is concerned. If you ever want to be taken seriously as a filmmaker, get something different. I used WMM for years, but as soon as I got the money, I upgraded to another editor. If you have the money, go get Vegas/Premiere/Anything besides WMM.
Posted: Fri, 30th Jul 2010, 6:12am

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Jesus Christ, just download Vegas. Your videos are probably terrible, because Windows Movie Maker isn't just not letting you use any other skills you may have, but it's actually preventing you from developing such skills.
Posted: Fri, 30th Jul 2010, 5:03pm

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nerfgunnerz3 wrote:

Alright guys ive decided that im gonna stick to wmm. Shes been my baby for so long and always will be.
This post really hasn't helped you has it? WMM and iMovie are the worst possible NLEs. Any sort of upgrade would be a better choice. Ben3308 was right all you have to do is try it! Here you can download the trial version of vegas:
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/trials/moviestudiope

It is infinitely better than WMM! There are thousands of tutorials on how to use Sony Vegas and probably 2 tutorials on WMM. It is easy to learn and it has way better technology/capabilities.

Please, do yourself a favor and upgrade.
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Posted: Fri, 30th Jul 2010, 6:03pm

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Wow... its ok if he doesn't want to upgrade. I mean he will have to upgrade eventually if he actually wants to get into filmmaking as a hobby but he may not want to as of yet. Its his decesion. I agree, he should try the trial even if nothing else but if he decides he doesn't want to, don't push him to spend money on something he doesn't want. He may want it someday, but for today he may not want it.

But definitely go get the trail before you make your decision.
Posted: Fri, 30th Jul 2010, 8:11pm

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I'm just saying, instead of just asking what to buy then saying you're sticking with something totally inferior to most people's talent level, go out and get the program you require or find something that will work better.

When we started, Windows Movie Maker was inferior in it's capabilities and rendering, so we went to a surplus store and bought Pinnacle Studio for 20 dollars. Then downloaded a free program by the capturin company Dazzle called MovieStar 5 simply because it could render MPG and Pinnacle could only do AVI's at the time.

Then, I scoped out a computer store and found a product from 2002 called Video Explosion, made by Sonic Foundry. With this I edited a short film called 'Found', which spurred the Atomic 'look' that we apply to every movie we make these days. And, wouldn't you know it, Sonic Foundry was sold to Sony and that bargain application I bought became Vegas Video, which then became Sony Vegas.

Granted, this was 7+ years ago, and the world of NLE's is decidely more concrete and less experimental for even the hobbyist. But.....come on. Go to download.com an find some hackneyed NLE and see what you can do. Or buy Vegas Movie Studio. Ask your parents or siblings for money. Or hell, download the full version sans-serial so you can trial without limitations, but for only 30 days, then reset your IP, clear your temp folder, and trial again. Get creative.

I can't be the only 13-14 year old who was ready way beyond WMM when I joined this site. Use the Internet and knowledge and research to get what you need. Software is, by nature, intangible. This means it can be anywhere at anytime, and for anyone. It's yours if you take it. Sometimes there's a price involved, sometimes there's not. Plenty of companies make free or trial or limited programs for people to go use. Take advantage of that.