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Ian Paterson's HOUSE OF HELL

Posted: Wed, 4th Aug 2010, 7:54pm

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Director Ian Paterson, fresh off the success of his last venture into feature films, the neo-Western Roswell 1847, announced this week that he plans to adapt the Fighting Fantasy books series 'House of Hell' into yet another feature length movie. The cinematic endeavor promises to be replete with celebrity appearances; says the director:

"We have so many new features that have never been seen before and some cameos that the world would never have dreamed of being in the same film[...]"
Though Paterson was reluctant to divulge any clear details surrounding the film, it looks to be, by the filmmaker's own admission, larger in scope and budget than the upcoming Guillermo del Toro adaptation of Disney's "Haunted Mansion". The filmmaker addressed darting assumptions regarding the film's budget, noting,

"Yes it's a huge budget, probably bigger than Haunted mansion".
As indicated by his persistent lack of punctuation or grammar, Paterson is no doubt excited about the success his latest venture may bring him. Not shy of the spotlight, the director is also set to release a personal memoir in coming years; featuring his journey as a filmmaker and how he got to where he is today.

http://www.houseofhellmovie.com/#vid

Thoughts?

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Posted: Wed, 4th Aug 2010, 7:58pm

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Ben: should we include his book in this thread or create a new one? eek
Posted: Wed, 4th Aug 2010, 8:01pm

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Interesting, I mean I guess. I didn't follow it that much, but good nontheless.
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Not sure what thoughts you want to hear, but Ian has done a deal for these titles, has already signed up some very credible industry types, and is close to securing the full finance for the project. Frankly I think he's doing incredibly well - these are all significant milestones.

EDIT (to add a bit rather than double-post):
Ian and I have chatted about this project - respecting his commercially sensitive information for a while, I can't give specifics, however there are some names and companies signing up to be involved in this who anyone inside the industry will know, or should know. I'm sure Ian will go public with more details when the finance is crystallised, not before - feature finance is always a complicated and delicate balancing act, sometimes it comes close to completion, other times it retreats, so it would be unwise and commercially clumsy to go into details. I can confirm that when Ian talks about this being a large budget, he's telling the truth - this makes the financing take a little longer to lock down, but it is a big number to attract and pay for the right people.

Rest assured, people are taking this quite seriously as they can see the value in the three release strands and interactive elements.

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Posted: Wed, 4th Aug 2010, 8:16pm

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Saw the video a few days ago. It's a pretty good retrospective of the books, but I thought it didn't say that much about the film. She mentions that the film will be released as an interactive version on Blu-ray, but other than that it's really early to tell how this is going to turn out. I also really wish they had used better background music. If you listen to the music around the end of the first third of the video it sounds like an 80s/early 90s infomercial/TV-shop clip. What gives? Also I think they should have had Steve Jackson himself comment so the project seemed endorsed. It will probably be better once the director or one of the actors can do a promotional video. As of now I'm most interested in this project because it's being made by an Fxhomer. I don't know who the woman in the clip is which damages her credibility, and I find some of her claims strange like House of Hell being the biggest book franchise in the world. Since when? What about The Lord of the Rings, Alex Cross, Harry Potter, The Dark Tower, heck even Twilight?

Anyway like I said, I'm interested in anything an Fxhomer is doing out there, I just don't think that promotional clip is going to be the big thing that will get people interested. Good luck, b4! smile
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when Ian talks about this being a large budget, he's telling the truth
I don't doubt that - by the looks of things, this could be a very interesting project, and it probably does have some serious money behind it.

But - an indie UK flick with a bigger budget than a Del Toro Disney movie? Seriously?

I don't want to knock anyone, but I just don't understand why b4 has to make these outlandish statements about his films that just don't quite seem to tally with the truth.

But, that aside, I do wish you the best of luck with the project, Ian. Hope it all turns out the way you want it to.

Cheers,
Arktic.
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Thanks for the kind words.
Biggest franchise being 70 books! which is more than Potter and Lord of the Rings and have sold world wide in the millions.
For legal reasons I can't say any more at this point.

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Posted: Wed, 4th Aug 2010, 9:38pm

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That sounds very interesting! Do keep us updated as much as you can. smile
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As I said in the other thread:

Whatever the outcome, I wish you a good fun time and a lot of success with your movie. I for one will keep an eye open for updates.
Posted: Wed, 4th Aug 2010, 10:41pm

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Regarding the budget, I have to shoot 6 films worth of footage, Del Toro only 1, why should his film have a huge budget?
By that logic, Ian, then a music video should only cost a few quid - there's only three minutes of footage there! But I could give you a list as long as your arm of music videos that have cost vastly more than plenty of feature films.

Amount of footage != cost.
Posted: Wed, 4th Aug 2010, 10:46pm

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Let me just say this: Aside from all the statements in the world Ian can make, his movies truthfully, sometimes painfully for the viewer, speak for themselves.

I expect this won't be much different. That is all.
Posted: Thu, 5th Aug 2010, 5:59am

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I would say this is the single most passive-agressive thread in the history of the forums.
Posted: Thu, 5th Aug 2010, 6:32am

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Thanks guys for the support,
For legal reasons I can't say any more at this point.

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Posted: Thu, 5th Aug 2010, 7:55am

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I am still interested in knowing more about your projected budget for this project and interested to see it whatever format it comes out on. The Blu-ray sounds really interesting! Isn't Ian Livingstone the CEO of Eidos rather than the owner? Isn't it owed by Square Enix?

I think some of the issues people have with your posting come down to language you use Ian. You pick to call it the "biggest book franchise" knowing that people will link the word franchise with sales.

The whole Fighting Fantasy set (70 books) has sold around 14 million copies, with the most popular book reaching some 700,000+ sales. This compares to well over 400 million copies of Harry Potter with the most popular books having over 80 million sales!

I know you say the books are popular, but the entire series doesn't even come close to a small proportion of a single Harry Potter book. The most popular Fighting Fantasy book has about 1% the penetration of a Harry Potter book. Given the age of the books I'm interested what kind of budget you are able to get - it sounds like you've done really well. Looking at how much the Harry Potter films cost (which are massive budget films) if they were to offer you the same budget by readership of your single Fighting Fantasy book you would have a budget under $2.5 million.

Furthermore, I would say we're (the FXhome community) massively supportive of people doing well in the industry. I think we should do a spotlight on you and this film - what do you say Ian? smile
Posted: Thu, 5th Aug 2010, 8:10am

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Hey Schwar,

I know Ian's position just now, and he's at a very commercially sensitive juncture which is why he can't expand on budgets etc. I'm certain Ian will share more details than your typical studio production would when the time is right, but in the meantime I can assure you there are institutional investors coming to the table for this so I think it's fair to say we're not talking chickenfeed wink
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Are the Fighting Fantasy books still in print? I only ever had one as a child and loved it, although I found all the complex RPG aspects a bit too much of a hassle when I just wanted to read the book. smile I always preferred the simpler 'choose your own adventure' books. They were essentially a stepping stone to computer-based text adventures, all the Inform-based stuff that was incredibly well crafted back in the day ('Curses' in particular was brilliant). That then led me on to more modern computer games.

I'd be intrigued to know whether you plan to market the interactive version primarily as a movie or as a game.
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Hi

Thanks for the support, legally I can't say anything at this point, please don't add things or pretend I said things.

Many thanks

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Posted: Thu, 5th Aug 2010, 8:59am

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b4uask30male wrote:

Ian owns Square and many other companies, Steve co-owns Lionhead Studios
That's seriously impressive. Although I thought Eidos was bought by Square, not the other way around, so I'm not sure how Ian could 'own Square' - one of the biggest, most prominent Japanese game developers? Similarly, Lionhead was bought by Microsoft in 2006, so is probably owned by them rather than privately. I'm no corporate expert, though. biggrin

Definitely excellent people to have on board, either way. In fact, given Ian and Steve's involvement with the gaming industry it's surprising that the Fighting Fantasy stuff hasn't been adapted into computer game form yet.

Next time you talk to Ian, tell him to make sure Deus Ex 3 is good. wink
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Erm, Ian its your language again which is the problem.

Ian Livingstone does NOT own Square Enix! He was part of Eidos before it was scaled down and turned in to Square Enix Europe which is a subsidiary of Square Enix - a public company. The nearest to an owner, or the guy with the most shares, is Yasuhiro Fukushima!

He was a big cheese back in the day at Eidos, but claiming he owns Square is a rather random assessment and exactly the type of inaccurate comment which makes people angry around here. Also, Lionhead is owned by Microsoft, Steve works on the board of directors.

The offer of a spotlight still stands, we would like to hear more about your project which does sound like a big deal regardless of all this. I'm really interested to see your film on any format but particularly Blu-ray to have a go at the interactivity! Have you considered what you're filming on? Are you going for digital (Red?) or film?
Posted: Thu, 5th Aug 2010, 3:35pm

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Many thanks to all you fellow film makers, I'm really happy that you are supporting me and that you haven't 'turned green with envy'

It's good to know you guys are here for me unsure

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Posted: Thu, 5th Aug 2010, 4:31pm

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Glad you're doing the spotlight Ian, I really look forward to learning more about what you've been up to. I'm interested to know if the Blu-ray will be that different to your intended web version of House of Hell?

With regards to Lionhead, whatever you've been told it was in trouble and laid off 50 people before it and was acquired by Microsoft in 2006. While Steve, and particularly Peter, will probably still have a share in the company it is now owed and controlled by Microsoft hence its software is developed for Windows and Xbox 360.
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I've sent you a pm.

we are shooting with the Arri Alexia.
Posted: Thu, 5th Aug 2010, 5:29pm

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Arri Alexa! Wow, nice camera! biggrin

Thanks for the PM, I'll have a read.
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I've always wanted to have an interactive movie. I read a book like that once that was really cool, but didn't really know if anyone has done a movie version of 'choose your own path' style.

If anyone know any movie that's interactive let me know, I'd like to check one out. Good luck with the project, I'll check it out.
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There was one called "return to the haunted house on the hill" warner bros.

The interactive part was really just like a "different angle" effect, the most you could do was pick up a glass and put it down, they didn't have it store anything you had already done so the story was still linear.

Just to give you some info on our interactive versions, not only can you die, but it will remember what you picked up, eg: a key, so later on if you collected the key you can use it.
On top of this you can also fight monsters / people using the unique system that I created for the bluray/online player.
As part of this you will be scored on your progress on both bluray and online versions and if you want it to be it can be uploaded to a scoreboard on the net.
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Sounds pretty cool. So will it be filmed first-person?
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Sounds Awesome!! biggrin
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Although the books are YOU reading it, the film needs an actor, But having just one lead doing everything would get boring so I've put two leads in, one male and one female.
While watching the interactive version you the viewer will make choices for mainly the male but sometimes you'll choose what the female can do.

The Weinstein's said "I've finally managed to bridge the gap between Cinema, bluray, DVD, Online and mobile phones" something they were looking to do but couldn't work out how.
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RodyPolis wrote:

I've always wanted to have an interactive movie. I read a book like that once that was really cool, but didn't really know if anyone has done a movie version of 'choose your own path' style.

If anyone know any movie that's interactive let me know, I'd like to check one out. Good luck with the project, I'll check it out.
The best route into this kind of thing is through computer games, really. Although they tried some direct 'interactive movies' in the 90s, they didn't really work out due to the crappy video formats of the time and it all felt a bit clunky. More recently they've moved away from the FMV route and made interactive, cinematic games that are aspiring to do similar things to movies, in terms of entertainment.

One you should check out is Heavy Rain, for the PS3. Check out my review here: http://potentialgamer.com/2010/05/05/heavy-rain-review/
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One could argue that from Metal Gear Solid 2 - 4 became essentially interactive films for extended periods of time, I think.


Also, Ian, is your role in this whole production as the director? If so, would you say you've got a pretty good grip on extracting strong performances out of actors?
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Thanks Bryce, good question.

Yes, as you know some of the older films used friends as actors and no matter how good I was I couldn't get them to act, but working with proper actors has allowed me to grow and the authorr, exc producer and investors have had to see my best work (stuff I've not put online) and they all think I'm good enough to handle it.

I believe in myself (too much some may say) but as someone once said to me "If you don't believe in yourself then how do you expect others to believe in you"
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[quote="Tarn In fact, given Ian and Steve's involvement with the gaming industry it's surprising that the Fighting Fantasy stuff hasn't been adapted into computer game form yet.
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They did release deathtrap dungeon, one of the books, but it didn't follow the book, bit of a dodgy game to be honest. You can download some of the books as iphine apps now, complete with dice rolls and everything, quite cheap too.
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Hi Guys,

Thought you'd like to see where we with the film House of Hell.

Here's video diary number 2, (forgive the bad camera work and sound, it wasn't me)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKHaeE0W2uA
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You should have answered the "What have you worked on" question that seems so important too Ian and then just named a list of your older movies from the cinema. smile

That would have made this even better!


Cool to see more of this production. Looking forward to part 3!
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Very interesting, and like is said in the PM i wish you the best of luck with this project, it;'s especially exciting for me because of the inclusion of Steve Jackson and co, me being an ex-avid collector of many of their games! I really hope this does well and proves the naysayers wrong.

Sam
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Thanks again for the kind words guys, means a lot.
The 2nd video diary (link in above post) took a while to come out as we had to work out how to shoot this film, it's a 45 week shoot and in the end we needed to have our own studio that can also be used for our next film.
I won't be directing Warlock I want to direct some other films, I'll produce Warlock, that will be the hardest challenge for me, letting someone take over after HOH, I'd love to have an unknown director, proving to Hollywood that there is talent out there.
I'm trying to get an FXhome member from Canada to come over and shoot the 2 unit fight stuff on HOH, he's done excellent fight scenes in his films.
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Yay! Go Christian! This is getting better and better. cool
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45 week shoot? That's crazy.
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Yes 45 weeks, I have tried to explain, I'll try again.
We are shooting about 6 films worth of footage because it's not just a cinema version but an interactive version for blu ray, not just for blu ray but for online.
Has to be one of the hardest film shoots ever attempted, the logistics and continuity are the hardest parts.
The cinema version will also have "Ian Paterson's 2.5D" effect like 3D but without glasses.
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b4uask30male wrote:

The cinema version will also have "Ian Paterson's 2.5D" effect like 3D but without glasses.
What's that then? smile
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I wish I could say, the people I've told had to sign an NDA.

It's a clever idea I came up with that doesn't require glasses or special camera's, some prep work is needed while shooting but nothing major.
Sorry really wish I could say. sad
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I'm looking forward to seeing it in action. Not much of a 3D fan myself mainly because of the glasses.
One without glasses would be sweet.
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3D without glasses or special cameras? If true and if it works, you do realise that you could make bjillions off that?

You'd better be quick, though, before the 3D bubble bursts in the next couple of years.
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Nope, no special tech at all, in fact people use this idea all the time but they just haven't thought of the tiny bit extra to allow it to do this, so I can't patent it sad it's a common thing you guys could do and people will do it once they have seen it.
I told my first AD and the DOP on sat, they loved it, so simple but never been done.
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Tarn wrote:

...before the 3D bubble bursts in the next couple of years.
i.e. when Titanic 3D comes out and ruins 3D for another 10 years.
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Hi Ian,

Sorry I haven't been able to say hello at Pinewood the dates you've been in, last couple of weeks I've been on Pirates in Greenwich, we are back in Pinewood this week and I'm not too busy on Friday. Are you about in Pinewood then? I'll come and say hello and I'd love to hear more about Ian 2.5D...

wink
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Hi

We've moved out of Pinewood, see this for more details.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKHaeE0W2uA

Honestly I can't say any more about 2.5D, When I pitched the idea to the author and investors I told them about 2.5D, because it's original (eg: no one has done it on cinema) that along with other idea's is what got me this far, I can't tell people about it sad sorry.
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Where are you based now then? I watched the video.. looks pretty good, must be in the Slough/Iver area?
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I'll pm you the area.
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2.5D? I hope it isn't just an exaggerated 2.5D compositing technique like you often see in animations. I doubt it is because that looks nothing like actual stereoscopic footage, in fact it just looks wrong, especially with live action. Look forward to hearing more...
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Na, mine's not been done before.

Being honest I don't think I'll be allowed to say it until the film is released on the cinema.
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Is it this cross-eyed technique (select it in the 3D menu)? biggrin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGQGEkKarI0&feature=related
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No, I really don't think it's been done.
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I was watching back and going through the Red's that were shooting Pirates 4 today in 3D. The technology and advanced way in which they rig the cameras and take the feeds down allowed 'some' of the crew to watch back the takes and action in realtime in 3D on a big screen under an easyup. I gotta say, I've not been impressed by 3D before, in the cinema it gives me a bit of a headache, but watching it being shot in 3D and then previewing it back with the 'cool' glasses really makes a difference. Actually.. I'd go as far as to say I'm looking forward to 3D at home instead of at the cinema. Should be much more enjoyable!

Perhaps you're going to run a version of the film 4frames out of time with another version and displace it? Apparently you can achieve a limited '3D' effect with this sort of solution.
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I've got to admit, I'm highly skeptical regarding Ian-D...

But being positive, I think the low quality of some of Ian's work to date can be partly explained by not having a budget and not being surrounded by a team of professionals to who work can be delegated. With these issues resolved, I'm interested in seeing what he can achieve.

As a fellow Fxhomer, I've got to wish him luck!
-Matt
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I think the fact that all of Ian's films have been weak in the past (at least those I've seen) has little influence. Quite obviously, he's a better business man then filmmaker and in the industry, that's what counts.

I continue to follow this, for sure.
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Yeah you guys are right confused

My films are bad and I hypnotised everyone to believe they were great, in fact I didn't need to make films, I could have just pretended LOL.

To stop the back handed comments, do you really think if my films were as bad as you say that I'd not only be able to get funding but also get some the huge names in the industry working for me, just think next time, they are not going to put their name to a film maker that makes crap films.
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From my objective/unconnected viewpoint, it seems possible that the funding could be heavily based off of the strength of the book series, built-in audience, and brand recognition in the UK. And as for:

they are not going to put their name to a film maker that makes crap films.
Everybody has a price, and there are a few movies every year that prove this time and time again.

I honestly do look forward to seeing this progress, and have watched all the behind-the-scenes diaries thus far. Will be a trip!
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they are not going to put their name to a film maker that makes crap films.
By that logic, tons of directors like Uwe Boll, the Strause Brothers or McG, to name a few, would never even get a crew together. They do. Even a talented and experienced crew. Again and again.
Yeah, bad filmmakers keep getting money on a daily basis, everywhere in the world. Film is a business most of all.
Good films don't even generally sell better then bad films, just look at the imdb top grossing movies and some really quality little productions no one's ever heard of, yet alone bought a cinema ticket for.

If you have an original idea for a "Ian Patterson 2.5D" effect and rights to a book series that sold millions of books, that has sale potential and is worth something. That's what you're selling. Completely and utterly regardless of anything else. What you achieved is a great testament for your ability as a business man and I think you can be proud of that!

And who knows, maybe you'll totally surprise some of us and actually deliver a good film! I hope so myself. Good films are rare. Can always do with more of them! biggrin
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Don't throw McG in with Uwe Boll, Sollthar. That's just petty.

McG may be more of a hack, but he's also genuinely talented as a visual filmmaker. Terminator Salvation and both Charlie's Angels movies, despite being poor script-wise, all had fairly excellent execution and really great direction in many parts.

Plus, if you watch behind-the-scenes with him, he seems like the most fun guy to make a movie with.
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Shockingly, I agree with Atom. I get the feeling that McG would be capable of directing a good movie if he was given a good script - he's just not very good at recognising a good (or bad) script.

Uwe Boll, on the other hand, seems unlikely to do a good film regardless of the script's quality.

Plus, McG has helped produce some excellent TV shows, and has directed a few episodes. So even if his film work is a bit arse, his TV work is more noteworthy.

Instead of McG, how about we use Michael Bay?
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Solthar One whole post without backhanded comments, is that too much to ask for!

I'd be overjoyed if one of you guys had the chance to shoot a big budget movie.

I'm going to delete my account here, anyone that what's to contact me for the right reasons you can find me by visiting the HOH movie website.

Thank you

(edit) anyone know how to cancel an account?
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Tarn wrote:

Instead of McG, how about we use Michael Bay?
I couldn't help but notice a bit of italicized satire there, Tarn. wink

Michael Bay is a visual genius who can orchestrate, coordinate, and direct projects more massive (and likely with more crew) than practically any other director I've seen. Leave him out of this. biggrin
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Atom wrote:

Tarn wrote:

Instead of McG, how about we use Michael Bay?
I couldn't help but notice a bit of italicized satire there, Tarn. wink

Michael Bay is a visual genius who can orchestrate, coordinate, and direct projects more massive (and likely with more crew) than practically any other director I've seen. Leave him out of this. biggrin
I agree with you on this, but I also think that's the equivalent of saying Hitler was a fantastic world leader because he could make fantastic speeches. Even if he's great at doing what he does, it doesn't mean that what he's doing is good.
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Shockingly (or maybe not so very) now I agree with Atom.

As Bay has stated himself what he does (making giant movies) is very difficult. And I happen to think that, flaws and all, The Island is a very solid action film. I might not quite agree on the visual genius (Atom and I obviously have different tastes there, my favorite visual films at the moment are; Star Trek 2009, King Kong 2005 and Sherlock Holmes) part, but even though I don't care for Transformers 2, what it took to make that film speaks for itself.

EDIT: Bah! Ninja'd by Pooky on agreeing about Bay.

To Ian:

1. Lots of people here have shown support and excitement at your success.
2. If you are holding out for universal popularity you are in the wrong business...
3. ...but I'm not saying that you have to take any comments, loads of famous people don't read message boards for that very reason (not saying you are famous...yet).
4. I believe you will need help from an admin to delete your account, although you could just, you know; not log in. That leaves the so-called "gloating option" open if your film makes it big.

For what it's worth I'm pretty vain and I generally enjoy the fact that people who "remember me back when I was a newb", in any aspect of my life, are no longer there in my life to remind me of my previous newbishness. I'm not being literal of course as I have friends I've known since 1997 (that's a long time for me as I was 6 years old then), but what I mean is that if I were you I might have cut ties with Atom, i.e. this board, as he keeps bringing up these so called bad movies "I" made. So no judgment from me if you quit. Still, there are people here who are supportive and interested. Your choice. Best of luck and if you quit: at least make arrangements with Tarn for a come-back Spotlight when the film is done!
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Personally I don't really mind if Ian decides to leave. While his threads and antics have always been very entertaining, he's consistently shown a level of maturity below that of even our younger members, without ever showing filmmaking talent that justifies it. Sure, he sounds like a fantastic salesman, but this isn't a business forum is it?
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Heh, to be honest, I just came up with a couple of names to make a point. McG mainly came to mind because of his odd name. biggrin
Couldn't think of any specific names of really bad directors as I tend to not follow those.

And yes, I wouldn't consider Michael Bay a bad director. He does what he does really well. But he did mostly create bad films lately. He's also made some huge fun ones.


I was just generally responding to your statement Ian. I AM honestly excited for you and I DO wish you fun and success. And my compliments on your business abilities were also sincere.

But I'm also skeptical based on previous experiences. If you want to get angry at me for that and delete your account, well, that's your decision.

You're a grown man.
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Someone! must know how to cancel an account I've looked but can't find it.
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Urgh, not the account cancellation threat.

Grow up, and also realise removing yourself from this forum may loose you a potentional audience.
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Bingo-bango.
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Only admins can delete your account on a forum. Alternatively, just never come back again instead of posting repeatedly about an account deletion button you know doesn't exist or matter.
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Heh B3N. Sorry to kill your dreams, but deleting his account won't lose him any customers. The 6 or 7 of us who might have bought a ticket don't matter. Especially on a big budget film, even 6 or 7 thousand don't matter much.

Besides, I'll still go see Ians film and buy his book.

Guess this is the final curtain then. Well.

Good luck to Ian!
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You can't delete accounts (it would play havoc with the forums). As others have said, if you don't want to use your account again...simply don't login. And you can always change your username and registered email if you really want to break contact.

I think it would be a real shame if you left, b4, as I never like to see somebody depart FXhome.com. Most of the replies in this topic have been genuinely interested and intrigued, so I'm a little confused as to your negative reaction, but it's entirely your call, of course. Although I seem to recall you saying that you were going to leave a few times in the past, too, after receiving critical comments from a few...

Just bear in mind that you can't please everyone. No matter how good your films are, there will always be people that don't like them. You can't just go around 'deleting' interactions whenever you encounter criticism. As you become more successful and reach wider audiences that will become more and more apparent.

You have to take the positive and the negative comments in a sensible manner. That's what being a creative person is about, if you want to get better.
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I'd just like to chime in with Sollthar, my well wishing is sincere and has little to do with my low opinion of your work to date. Throwing a temper tantrum isn't going to prevent me in being absolutely honest about my opinion, though.

The scale of the project means that you are either going to pull something very interesting off or you're going to confirm my beliefs and really, I'm equally excited about both eventualities.

In any case, congratulations on getting this far - as Sollthar already stated, it's a testament to your charisma and skill as a businessman. Good luck going all the way.

-Matt
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LOL
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Cheney, yet again.

That's the real 'LOL'.
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LOL was meant as to just laugh fighting over a film that's not made yet. It could turn out very good hard to say till it's done. Or it could derail and not get made or be made smaller budget or even bigger. Till somethings filming it's a crap shoot and that's all films.
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No one's fighting over anything though. No idea what Ian's problem is. We're all honestly interested in seeing what's to come.

We'll see in time, I guess
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If Ian has indeed left I think I know how we can get him back, just fyi.

Everyone say after me:

I do believe in Ian, I do, I do
I do believe in Ian, I do, I do
I do believe in Ian, I do, I do
I do believe in Ian, I do, I do
I do believe in Ian, I do, I do


That movie wasn't that bad am I right? But that scene is the hammiest thing ever. Gotta love it. I've been looking for an excuse to put that in a post.

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and just for FYI I'm in no way involved in the HOH project
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Link didn't work/was pulled for copyright Staff, but I'm guessing this hilarious clip is what you were referencing.

Then again, if you saw that movie, you'd know it was also massively underlooked and rather excellent for what it was.
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Atom wrote:

Link didn't work/was pulled for copyright Staff, but I'm guessing this hilarious clip is what you were referencing.

Then again, if you saw that movie, you'd know it was also massively underlooked and rather excellent for what it was.
Strange, the link still works for me. I'll edit it to yours anyway, thanks! Yes, I think that movie deserves way more credit. It has good performances from both young and older actors, and vastly exceeded my expectations when I finally saw it (by which time I was much older than the demographic, but enjoyed it nonetheless). The production values are also commendable. That scene could have been the most mocked thing ever, but actually they almost (in my opinion) pull it off and most viewers find it charming and touching (see youtube comments). Just another reason that the film works well.
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Heh. My little brother and sister wanted to see it really bad, so we went on Christmas Day (when it came out) to watch it. I remember it was, in all honesty, quite magical- what with the timing and everything. smile
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I don't think you should quit the forum Ian, there are people who are genuinely interested in your production and i think you would be doing a massive disfavour to those on this board who have been loyal to you, look at the backlash Rooney's been having these past few days for quitting his club!
I say don't respond to negative replies, personally i think you should read them,i'd hate it if everyone thought everything was perfect, negativity and mistakes is how we grow and make ourselves better, not just as film makers but as people. I think you should stay Ian.
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mercianfilm wrote:

...look at the backlash Rooney's been having these past few days for quitting his club!
though Rooney does now have a contract for an epic £200k a week, if my twitter feed is to be believed.

Not bad for a caveman!
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I don't want Ian to leave! While I'm confused by the 3D without glasses stuff, I'm no authority on 3D projection so I'm looking forward to seeing what Ian has come up with.

More than this I'm interested in seeing the film itself. Even during the short history of FXhome, there have been many people who appear to take a hiatus from filmmaking (or at least the website), only to reappear with a myriad of amazing new skills.

Ian appears to be taking this a step further, and in areas where he might have been criticised in the past he is now employing industry professionals. This is a perfect short-cut to better results - we've used it ourselves here at FXhome (particularly with lighting) when budget allows.

I hope that Ian does get this massively ambitious film out the door and I can go and see it in my local cinema. smile