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The Fall of the Jedi -- FINISHED AT LAST!

Posted: Wed, 4th Sep 2002, 10:25am

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Mugwump

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Fall of the Jedi
'The Film Utah is asking for ! '
-Fox News

It is 200 years after the fall of the first evil galactic EMPEROR. The Galaxies have lived in peace until now. Stories are told of an ancient weapon, the DEATH STAR, yet the knowledge of whether it existed or not remains uncertain. And now, Remnants of the dark side have mustered their forces and proclaimed a new Emperor to the throne. The council has stood idle as the oppressed masses stood beneath the iron fist of the dark side. They have watched as thousands were consumed by the sword--For matters of diplomacy the council could not intervene. Word has just been received that the construction plans for the DEATH STAR have been salvaged piece by piece from remote corners of the galaxy. While still working under the flag of the empire, the Council dispatched 2 Jedi Knights, ELWAHN MINN and ANDROSS LEAR, to negotiate with the emperor. In their brief, they are told, "If no treaty can be inscribed, then appropriate action must be taken to insure the preservation of peace and existence in the galaxy." Elwahn, holding his life and faith in the council, heads into the conflict with his padawan, Andross who silently begins to question his faith.

The Jedis are joined by a rebel faction under the command of Commander Zukarion, The Hyperion fleet, as they stand up againts the towering shadow of the Emperor, who plans the ultimate revenge....
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Posted: Wed, 4th Sep 2002, 11:05am

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Theres a slight problem with the server the movie is hosted on. Im thinking it doesnt like direct linking. If the download doesnt work for you then try this link

http://www.fanfilmfx.com/

Last edited Tue, 10th Sep 2002, 8:15am; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Wed, 4th Sep 2002, 1:14pm

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anonymous

it's great how did you guys created the spaceships???

i really love this movie finally i big one and the effects where perfect.
5555555 starts that is for sure.
i hope that you can make more movies of this kind.
man really cool


greetz mike
Posted: Wed, 4th Sep 2002, 3:07pm

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Sorry. I can't get to it. I'm forbidden. I'm sure it was good anyhow. If I do manage 2 see it I'll review it for you then.
Posted: Wed, 4th Sep 2002, 4:40pm

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Ohh, finaly the fan film im been waiting for is uploaded.. and i have to say im not that impressed.. Looking at the trailer i thought it would be better.. Its a good fanfilm, but the plot is kind a weak.. and some scenes to.. Like the Saberfight.. im sorry that one isnt so good.. but if u look at the x-wing scenes in and outside of the cockpit, they are impressive.. The film is a little bit to dark.. i like it when its dark.. but not that dark! The actors is good.. almost everyone of them.. I know its hard to make a fanfilm.. im working on one right now.. and i will upload it in a month or two..
Then one of the most importent things of a SW film.. the coustumes.. they are good! Real Good.. (i dont have any exept a homemade boba coustume in mine)

So lets clear this up!:
Plot: 3/5
FX: 4/5- Good use of the alamdv Fx's!
Coustumes: 4/5- I think i would rate it better if i saaw how they looked like
3D: 5/5- GOOD GOOD GOOD!

Good Work! U get 4 stars from me!
Let us see a Brighter Sequel!
/Andy
Posted: Wed, 4th Sep 2002, 5:07pm

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I'v been forbidden on both web addresses. cry

Just wondering how you managed to get 22 mins onto a server. ?
Posted: Wed, 4th Sep 2002, 5:37pm

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b4: i dont now! razz I downloaded it from the adress Malone wrote! =)
Posted: Wed, 4th Sep 2002, 6:03pm

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Ok....lets see.....I thought the story was kinda rushed. It had potential to be kinda cool. Take more time and develop the characters. The special effects were really good and the props were awsome. The lightsaber fight was sub-par. Really slow...was the first thing that went through my mind. The duel is kinda the bench mark of the Star wars movies, it would have been nice to see it a little more choriagraphed. The film making and camara was great, well done. I hope my fan film comes out half as good.
Posted: Wed, 4th Sep 2002, 6:40pm

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Rating: +2

ooo - over 50% done and only 4 more hours to go on the download...

*TMM taps his finger impatiently...
Posted: Wed, 4th Sep 2002, 7:49pm

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Just watched it and i enjoyed it, tho the picture was not as clear and as good as the trailer for it, liked the use of music which gave it a good feel, also thought the fight was pretty cool, tho it did look a little slow, but hey im not complaining
Liked the little out takes at the end specialy the last one with all the different videos on the blue screen

Good job
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Kram
Posted: Wed, 4th Sep 2002, 8:16pm

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Rawree

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Wow! That was really cool.
I will say though that during the saber fight you could have chosen some faster and/or louder.
Other than that it was excellent and really kept true to the star wars style.
Hope to see a sequel soon.
Posted: Thu, 5th Sep 2002, 1:19am

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anonymous

Hi all! Thank you for your support and d/ls.

Ok, first off, let me get some of the questions out of the way that you guys brought up.
the "Dark" - This was becuase the final cut of the film was ALL color corrected, and layers upon layers of filters were added to get rid of the "DV cam" look. It's still there, but only 50%, instead of 100%. The general "Darkness" is becuase the film has been designed to play in a completely darkened roomed (I.e. .... a... THEATER! smile lol ), and also have a little more strong contrasted color tone to reflect the darkness of the theme overall. (Planets blowing up, good succombing to evil, ect...)

The saber fight - Normaly, I'd tell you that the saber fight was a little slow becuase I was going for a more intense, "There's actual danger - be carefull!", realism over hyper kung fu action. But, that's the HALF truth. The second half is the fact that we ran out of time to really polish the coeargraphy. John (darth thane) is an absolute blast to work with, and he spent a lot of time with me on his fighting techniques. Unfortunatly, near the end of rehersal, Aaron (andross) started uttering the most henious words a director will hear. "Let's just wing it!" *shudder*. So some parts of the fighting were 'winged'. That's when I said, ok, obviously fast paced is out of the question... it's uhh... time to try a new formula.

Is that? What am I missing here?
oh well, let me know what else you guys thought.
-Mugwump
Posted: Thu, 5th Sep 2002, 3:48am

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The 3D work was nice and some of the chroma keying was good. Your locations were good, too.

I was a little put off by the tone of the movie. When the two Jedi approached the guy in the desert and he was wearing street clothes and sitting at a card table with a plastic cooler, I was sure I was about to watch a parody. When the movie took on a more serious tone after that, I was a bit confused.

You had some nice editing, though, and I'm a sucker for outtakes at the end of a movie. smile
Posted: Thu, 5th Sep 2002, 6:08pm

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Rating: +1

HOLY COW! that was crazy good smile

one of the best shots ever made in an amateur movie was that death star shot where the laser flew past the camera, and then u saw the planet go BOOM biggrin it was great smile

most of the 3d was great, but some of it was noticeably bad, like the hanger shots, but a lot of the 3d was cool smile what did u use, 3ds max rite?!

the blue screening was good most of the time, but i noticed in the saber fight that the pit/core thingy stayed still when the camera was moving, making it look really odd crazy

the sound was good most of the time, but sometimes u couldn't here the voices very well, but full blast through the stereo fixes that wink

well, gonna have to give a 5 stars, to me it is more of a 4.5 though, it needs a few improvements, but u payed attention to detail, good sets (made with pencils and polystyrene smile [or as u american's say, styrofoam, or something]) good out takes, with the bikes, and random dancing man too biggrin

alam was used well too, look very kool, and u used it just rite smile

i hope to see more of ur work, i was very impressed, make more now!! smile good job...
Posted: Fri, 6th Sep 2002, 12:15am

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anonymous

Thanks for your support guys!!

I did use 3d studio max for the 3d modeling.

Also, just a little tidbit. The "Random" guy isn't actualy random at all! The actor's name who played that role is named "Evan." That's actualy Evan in the background dancing! (The hair is what gives it a way) I found the footage kicking around on my HD and it made me laugh, so I threw it in.

For what it is, I would personaly give it a 5 (but this comes from me! lol. I made the film.) becuase a 20 minute film is near IMPOSSIBLE to polish completely when it's 1 man running the tech.

The stuff added in the desert was from my art director. In the script, we wanted kind of a comic irony. Commander Zukarion was sitting in the middle of nowhere in a lawn chair sipping a margarita. Somehow, the cooler and tabel were added. I wasn't available that day for the shoot, so my Art director (who was aslo the assistant director) became the director, and he was calling the shots for that scene. (I wish he would've used a refelctor board though. The faces are very 'racoony')

oh well! I'm still pleased with the final product.

-Mugwump
Posted: Fri, 6th Sep 2002, 2:15am

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This is to Toypyro. How can you vote a zero on this and give LSU duel a 2 star? I thought this site was effects? I've already stressed this over Maxtoker. This is not a Star Wars FanFilm Site, true. But it is a special effects cinema. You only vote for how good the effects are, No offense Malone, But there just wasn't enough impression in LSU, that I couldn't give it a very high rating. I will admit that I'm a Star Wars fan, but on this website, I do vote by effects, not if it is Star Wars or not, or by the plot.

Please forgive me for sounding so negative. redface

No offense, but this is where I should stop, because of my signature.

Sorry, I had to say that lol
Posted: Fri, 6th Sep 2002, 2:31am

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Damn Good

Best part was the 3D work for corucent blowing up...the buildings and shots on the planet were good

did u have to model all of that???

-MAGIC
Posted: Fri, 6th Sep 2002, 11:51pm

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anonymous

Ah. Most people are saying the same thing about their favorite scene--coruscant.

I didn't model all of it, but I did do the animation. ALL the explode effects were based on partical systems. The whole scene (3 shots) took about 6 days of straight rendering.

It took A LOT of work to do that shot!!
Posted: Sat, 7th Sep 2002, 7:22pm

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Simply put, it was amazing biggrin Sure, the lightsaber duel was a little lackluster, and certain 3D elements didn't look as good as others, and the opening section of the compressed film wasn't deinterlaced. But how many of us can actually do stuff like this? Very few indeed. smile

5 stars straight up biggrin
Posted: Sun, 8th Sep 2002, 7:09pm

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I admit the lightsaber battle was sub-par. Elwan didn't show up the last day we had to choreograph, and Johny B (Thane) had to leave early a few times, and... we didn't have the time. It's more intense, but we didn't get a chance to put in a lot of facial expressions to emphasize that. I still go over that choreography. It kinda makes me want to do it again.

And I swear we had the two lightsaber thing before Episode II came out. We were running out of time, and I figured what the hell, let's put in two lightsabers at once, and I finish up with my master's lightsaber. But the props were somewhat difficult, and like Tony (Mugwump) said, we ran out of time.

I think it was Rick McCallum that said, "Films aren't completed, they're just abandoned." Or was that George?
Posted: Mon, 9th Sep 2002, 3:12am

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I would definatly have to agree with my co-producer here, The lightsaber duel is pretty....yeah... well, there are better ones out there!! Oh well! at least they Look good eh?

besides, we had to sort of juggle time with building the x-wing and fight coeargraphy. Obviously, the x-wing got a little more attention.

For what it is though, I think it works at least! Johnny B certainly does a great job with his little spins and what not! Also, for being completely 'winged' I think that Aaron+Johnny B did a great job with the final box! (The catwalk fight) smile

It's not the best, but it's still THERE at thats what counts! smile

yeah, and Like Aaron said, the 2 lightsabers thing we had NO idea were in episode 2!! It was pretty funny when we saw the trailer... lol...
Posted: Mon, 9th Sep 2002, 1:29pm

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Hmm, hi. me again. i have to say it becomes better and better for everytime im seeing it.. Its a good short-movie and there is a hole lot good things in it too. If u had the time, why not make a directors cut out of it. and maybe try to do something about some thing! razz I have done that a few times and i have to say its worth the work! How muck money did u spent on it?! once again. good work! May the force be with u!
Posted: Mon, 9th Sep 2002, 9:10pm

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i see all these great reviews, but i can't download it!!! seems all your bandwidth is used sad i can mirror the file if ya want (plus i really wanna see it smile ) pm me and i'll give u some ftp details
Posted: Tue, 10th Sep 2002, 3:50am

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What happend to the Movie?
Posted: Tue, 10th Sep 2002, 8:19am

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The webhost emailed me and told me not to direct link it anymore. I didnt want to cause them any hassle so I have taken it down. Hopefully a better webhost can be sorted and I can put it online again
Posted: Tue, 10th Sep 2002, 6:02pm

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i've posted the movie on my server at :www.vermillion-studios.co.uk/video/fotj_final.mov if anyone is still looking for it (Thanks timescape!!) If this is a problem, i'll take it down again biggrin
Posted: Thu, 12th Sep 2002, 8:11am

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Thanks fallen, your a little star. Movie is back up now
Posted: Thu, 12th Sep 2002, 6:05pm

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Rating: +1

Only a little one ? wink
Posted: Thu, 12th Sep 2002, 6:11pm

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Tony/Mugwump gave fanfilmfx.com exclusive hosting priveledges. (Note the first screen you see.) But we ran them out of bandwidth. The problem is fixed, now, and they're trying to upgrade the site, but the link is down here because there's still an issue with bandwidth. Mike I think the fffx guy's name is, is working with it.

It might be easier to mirror it on alamdv.com too. But, that's Tony's department. Until then you guys will have to go strait to the site, or see the one that fallen has put up.
Posted: Thu, 12th Sep 2002, 10:36pm

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You get 5 Stars from me with no question. Okay, the plot could have been a little more complex, but actually that didn't really matter.
I really liked the look of your film. You obviously put really much effort in that little piece of cinema and thats clear to see. Good camerawork, good editing and good lighting as very good special effects (3D animations and Models) make clear that what you did was planned, well thought of and made with love for details.
And thats why I think this is a topfilm. Not something somebody shot out of nothing, but something planned and artistically designed.

My huge compliments to all involved!!
Posted: Fri, 13th Sep 2002, 1:13am

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Thanks all for your wonderfull cirtique for the film!!

The film is *Officialy* Public now, so it can be hosted by ANYBODY who wants to host it smile

(You too Aaron wink )

Thanks for d/ling!
Posted: Wed, 18th Sep 2002, 1:49am

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Tony-

Super Job. I've been keeping my eye on this one for a while and have seen you here and at TFN. I really liked the effort you put forth in set design and 3D work. The acting was very good by both the Jedi. Coruscant scene was great! The dude in the X wing was cracking me up too!

"Oh crap."

LOL

Anyways, I thought portions of battle in the emperors chambers could have used some work- the compositing of the shaft with the actors fighting seemed kinda sketchy- looked like the camera wasn't locked down or something. Also, the audio looping wasn't always perfect, but it looked like you had to loop that whole section in the desert so it must have been really hard.

Overall- very very good. A few tweaks here and there and it would have been stellar. Keep up the good work-

Later-
Jeremy
Posted: Sun, 22nd Sep 2002, 11:04am

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Hi, thought i'd give my comments
1st i must say i had to watch it from your website, ( i think there is a problem here with your link, but i won't hold that against you. )

PRO's
1. Big budget
2. 3D fx's were very cool.
3. Sound fx well placed
4. Sets were good.

Con's
1. It started out as a new starwars film, but ended taking bits from all the feature films, left me a little sad, i wanted to see a new story, not word for word from the features. ( wipe them out ) cry

2. music too loud
3. voices distorted, hard to hear.
4. Saw mics shadows a few times.
5. Out of focus a few times.
6. 1st scene in desert, too much talking.
7. Cool boxes ( in the desert ) was a bit odd.

I'll give it 3, mainly for the fx, I would just like to say if I had the resorces, budget & people that was in your film I would have used them better.
( Please on your next one, do your own story. )
Posted: Sun, 22nd Sep 2002, 5:10pm

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There were some hosting issues. Fanfilmfx.com was the host, but then they were out of bandwidth, and Alamdv.com had to remove the direct link. But now the bandwidth problem is solved and there is no longer a hosting issue. We are slowly getting it to be hosted on AlamDV.com. We're just too lazy. wink

Music too loud and distorted voices can easily be solved by turning your volume down. No one else has had a problem with the volume of it. Can you give me specific places where the music was too loud? Scenes and such?

Finally somebody else notices the boom shadow! That's been bugging me for the longest time, and everyone's like, "Oh I don't see it. Where is it? You don't notice unless you're looking for it." I'm glad somebody else noticed.

It's sad we had to cut down the film. The length of the desert scene would have fit better if we hadn't cut down the first few scenes.

Out of focus was done on purpose. Digitally. The Emperor was supposed to be a sketchy character.

But thanks for your input. For the sequel, we've got a pretty original storyline, which is a little odd in some places, but... it's original. smile

Thanks for the feedback though. smile
Posted: Sun, 22nd Sep 2002, 5:38pm

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When is the next one out...

( I remember now, commenting on the graphics before, on your trailer, i thought they were taken from the real film, who ever done you 3d fx is very, very good. )

I look forward to the next one, does it continue from this, or is it a totally different story.


( the sound was mainly in the cockpits )
Posted: Sun, 22nd Sep 2002, 5:50pm

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Albylion

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Ah. Hmm... yeah, I can see the cockpit voices thing.

Tony/Mugwump did our 3Danimation.

The next film is a continuation of this, and it's not due out for several several months. We've barely finished the final touches on the script and are getting ready to begin filming.
Posted: Sun, 6th Oct 2002, 5:51am

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Very nice, i loved it! 5 stars! wink
The only thing is at about 18 minutes quick time gives an error message cry (And any other player i watch it in) Does anyone know what is wrong?
Posted: Sun, 6th Oct 2002, 11:04pm

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it was goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood

but i dint see it export it in wmv or mpg
Posted: Mon, 7th Oct 2002, 4:00am

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heh i saw a car driving in the background of that desert sene.
Posted: Sat, 19th Oct 2002, 10:22pm

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What codec is the Fall of the Jedi in? i would really like to see it and this movie. Thnx, Kyeju
Posted: Mon, 21st Oct 2002, 9:54pm

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What program did your 3d animation programer use?
Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2002, 11:04pm

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no_hole

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whats the name of the music u used at the blowing up of courecant part.
Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2002, 10:51pm

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um i thought it was very good. the fighting was slow but enough to keep my attention. Yes and i heard a lot of lines i heard in the the regular starwars films. and get some metal lightsabers.

Overall I thought it was awsome smile
Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2002, 11:09pm

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Majicman

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u know what after watching it again its my favorite star wars fan film. The animations were really good.

Nice job
Posted: Wed, 6th Nov 2002, 6:09pm

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Holy crap!
this is the the best starwars fan film i'vv seen!
very good 3d i'd give it a 4/5
Story 4/5
Overall 5/5 (i just love this movie man)
straight 5 points from me biggrin
took me like 6hrs to dld but it was worth it!
I figured out how u did the buildings exploding scene.
If anyone wants a tute for 3dsmax for this effect
PM me.
billy
Posted: Mon, 18th Nov 2002, 3:27am

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To Mugwump:

you reminded me in my "starwars ripoffs piss me off post" that I hadn't voted for your movie...thats because It's a dead link here... i guess I'll look on fanfilms for a link that works..

i want to rate it though
Posted: Mon, 18th Nov 2002, 3:30am

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To Mugwump:

you reminded me in my "starwars ripoffs piss me off post" that I hadn't voted for your movie...thats because It's a dead link here... i guess I'll look on fanfilms for a link that works..

i want to rate it though
Posted: Mon, 18th Nov 2002, 4:37pm

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holy crap..
I have no idea why there's an echo in this room
Posted: Wed, 18th Dec 2002, 3:24am

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Hey, we watched parts of your movie today in my TV class at Kearns High, you were/are at Highland, right? Very nice job by the way.

We also watched the spoof that some of your classmates made, that was pretty funny as well.

Anyways, just thought I'd tell you good job!

-Fett