Posted: Mon, 4th Oct 2010, 12:46pm
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|Robin works in an art gallery. Her daily routine is mostly the same. One day, she meets Beni and her life take some twists.|
"Art" is the newest collaboration of NoControl Cinema with the theatre group Der Pakt. Hope you enjoy
Posted: Mon, 4th Oct 2010, 1:26pm
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Impressive. I like it a lot.
It was really nicely filmed, and the story and acting was really solid. I love the location where you are on the balcony - was that filmed in Switzerland?
Posted: Mon, 4th Oct 2010, 1:34pm
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Yeah, that was actually the balcony from our apartment. View over the older parts of Rapperswil with the castle, right where I live.
Posted: Mon, 4th Oct 2010, 3:41pm
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I thought I'd somehow missed this when I watched it on Youtube but obviously this is a new release.
Awesome work and one of best movies I've had the pleasure to watch and worthy of a cinema release....truly brilliant ..even for Marco's level of filmmaking.
Posted: Mon, 4th Oct 2010, 10:22pm
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Good job on the film, I always enjoy your dark and sinister film style.
Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010, 2:46am
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Wow I really liked this! This is probably my favorite of your films! For me it was rather unexpected. IT had a lot more plot twists than expected from a film of its length. Wonderfully done. 5/5
Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010, 8:11am
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Thank you very much, glad it doesn't get lost in the translation.
We're very excited about the reception of the film so far, with a great interest of renowned industry professionals, film festivals, exclusive screens and TV interest as well as a happy audience so early after release. That's really cool!
The goal was to up the game on all fronts and while it's not perfect (then again, what is?) we're all very pleased with the result.
Thanks for all the comments!
Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010, 9:21am
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I forgot to mention the the subs are much better than dubbing ,in my opinion,keeps the movie more natural.
Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010, 10:00am
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That was fantastic. Really interesting and enticing short with very fun writing. Great soundtrack too. I love how the twist slowly revealed itself and then just completely switched the film's mode almost, after finishing the reveal. If that makes sense. Anyways, I'm extremely impressed.
Only complaints were in camera movement, I felt like it was a bit too static overall, and I felt like a shot or two was over exposed by a stop or two, at least to my taste. One of my favorites from you. 5/5
Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010, 2:31pm
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Thank you very much! Glad you like it!
Shots shouldn't be overexposed (at least they're not here) Maybe it's the compression? Can you point me to one?
Yeah, the camerawork was deliberately static. Mainly because of the simple time constraint of shooting all of this in 3 days, which we barely managed.
Working with any sort of motion camera with manual lenses almost doubles shooting time and would need a focus puller which wasn't available. As I think everyone knows, I'm not fond of the "hand held" look at all. In fact, I really dislike it - unless the dramatic structure specifically calls for it which it didn't here. So IF I'm going to use motion, which I'd love to, I want it to be as calm, steady and precise as simply wasn't possible with the time and equipment we had. So I opted for static.
I'm going to invest into the proper equipment to do some realy, smooth steady shots maybe soon though. I'd love to be able to do some. But I want to do them right.
Edit: On a cinematographers board someone just called it "minimalistic but precise" - that was what I was going for. I do understand if that's not everyones cup of tea though.
Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010, 3:21pm
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Hard to understand until end very well though out 5/5
Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010, 5:47pm
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Hard to understand
Heh, I hope it wasn't hard to understand as in "follow", but hard to see what's coming. At least, that was the plan.
Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010, 7:42pm
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I'll modify my criticism. At 13:30 or so, when the kidnapped girl is backlit by the sun, I would have diffused the sunlight through a sheet or something. It blows out way too much of the actress's hair. Too much dynamic range in that shot for the camera, but that's just me.
A slider dolly and mini jib can add easy motion without having to add focusing into the mix if you just stick to the same plane. I see what you're going for, but it's not exactly my thing I guess in the shooting department for some of the scenes. Really didn't take much away from the film for me as it was well-executed minimalism, as it was put.
Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010, 10:41pm
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I thoroughly enjoyed the look and style of this. The story and acting worked for me and the music really helped the mood.
The locations were great too.
I found the static shots worked well because I enjoyed the acting more.
Posted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010, 7:02am
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Thanks Garrison! Glad you enjoyed the acting!
A slider dolly and mini jib can add easy motion without having to add focusing into the mix if you just stick to the same plane
Yeah, you're right. I have no equipment for that though yet.
The FX-1 with the Letus is also rather heavy. But once I get around using my TSi for filming I definately want to invest into a steadycam.
I guess I also tried to keep the camera simple because of the fact I was alone behind the camera. And I noticed that when I have to focus on the camera too much, I lose my grip on the directing. And this time, I chose the direction was more important.
I wish I had a DOP to work with, but so far, I've not found someone. Filmmakers, especially experienced ones, are not exactly common over here. :I
Posted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010, 7:27am
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Sounds like a pile of 'I'm 14-years-old and don't have people/money/time/equipment helping me' excuses to me.
Only kidding, of course. I've been gigantically busy and will be for the next week or two, so I'll write more when I have the chance- but I really just wanted to congratulate you on your directing in this. Whenever the camera feels static or the acting gets stale, it's the pace and dynamic of the direction, visually and characteristically, that I feel saves this. Very solid work with a good premise, if not a tad bit- ready for it- melodramatic/super-serious-silly for me.
But that could've been because of the music, which played very well atmospherically, and I thought was well-composed, but teetered so fragilely between over-the-top and appropriately menacing; and I couldn't make up my mind whether it was for the sake of dramatic tension or comedic effect. Good, just slightly ill-fitting/overdone. Same for the acting, in some parts.
Overall, though, this is really slick and captures a brooding sort of 'cinematic' tone, which I find slightly ironic, but also really like. In a movie genre and technical style that I don't really care for, I still stuck through most of it, even when the camera felt blown-out/oddly-framed/stagnant (as has been mentioned)- and that's a testament to the film's orchestration.
Art didn't really 'do it for me', and I do think it's a very easy and efficient thing to focus the camera
or cheap to build
a slider-dolly, but with these issues and annoyances it's still very good. No excuses- find the people and supplies next time, I know you can!
Maybe not 5 material from me, but pretty close. Good job, bud. 4.25/5.
Posted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010, 7:38am
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Hehehehe, I hate to say it, but I guess you're right. If it was enough of a concern for me, I definately could have found someone to push the camera along some sort of track.
I'll try to focus on that next time! I remember that the lack of camera motion in my style has often been an issue here. Might order a steadycam just now.
Thanks for the appreciative comment and the valid criticism. The music was indeed the most difficult child of this production. I think I was a pain in the a** for the composer, rejecting most of what he did first for being "too much" of either comedy or drama. It was really utterly hard to hit that very thin line between drama/tension and comedy. Too much drama kills the comedy, too much comedy kills the drama. It was a tough thing to hit right for me as the director as well as for the actors and the composer. Very interesting learning experience though.
And I agree, I'm not 100% happy with it since I believe we hit it right for a lot of it but also missed that line in some moments.
Posted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010, 3:47pm
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I really liked the acting in this from the guy Beni, really wonderful capture of that kind of character; really efficiently placed into cinematic form.
Altogether, some parts were wishy-washy, but the technicals and narrative pace were solid, and despite it feeling somewhat too 'Euro' for me, I still enjoyed it.
4/5, mainly because I really like what you did with this and think you did it well, but it too wasn't exactly what I like to watch. It felt very much like a movie I would see in theatres here in Texas, but would probably leave the theatre feeling like it wasn't quite my style of movie.
Great work, as always, though. Truthfully, some of the best conception-to-execution on this site's cinema.
Posted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010, 6:11pm
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Hi, largely enjoy this, although I do have a few criticisms and points.
I felt that the story was a little contrived and it didn't really pull me in. Having said that, it's not the sort of thing I would ever make, and it's not the sort of approach I'd take, so my feelings about the story come down to personal taste. I do think you handled the story very well though, it all felt very slick and sure.
The acting was generally very good; certainly none of it was bad at all. The characters weren't particularly natural or believable in the sense that they didn't come across like real people, but that worked and helped to balance the drama and the comedy, and the story wouldn't have worked without it. I liked that, the whole thing had a slightly absurd edge to it which you wouldn't have got with more naturalistic acting.
I liked the cinematography, but then I'm becoming increasingly fascinated with the idea of creating scenes with as few cuts as possible and I love static shots. Of course the main thing is that the cinematography should be appropriate to the story and should tell the story just as much as the acting or the dialogue or the sound. A minimalist approach can have a variety of effects on how an audience views and interprets the film. It can be distancing and ironic or very intense and personal. I think that you could have done more with the cinematography, maybe reined it in a little further to exaggerate the stagey quality of some of the scenes. I don't know and again I'm working from my interpretation of what you might have been trying to do with the cinematography, perhaps I'm way off. I do think that movement should be used carefully. Very often I think that movement is used with no thought, and it just pulls you right out of the film, like bad cgi.
Technically it was all very good, you know what you're doing of course. The directing was assured and confident and the film really shows that.
The music didn't sit right with me, it was a little too dramatic and signposted the story a bit much in terms of what I could expect tonally as a viewer.
Also, the titles didn't work for me at all, the graphic elements just didn't seem necessary and it put me off.
So, overall, I enjoyed this and it is very good on a technical and storytelling level. Not exactly to my tastes but then, who cares? I enjoyed it and I want to see another one.
Posted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010, 8:18pm
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Thanks for your insights Ben and Max! Interesting to hear from people the story doesn't do much for.
I can understand - it's not a classic screen-story setup nor does it have real characters or offer much to identify with, that was indeed never the aim. It's mostly a fun play with certain elements and even somewhat experimental. The older I get, the more I realize that cinema and it's usual, more mainstream and classical story setups don't do it for me anymore so I'm drawn to other things. I guess it's also the theatre education showing more and more through where other aspects I find fascinating can be explored in different ways. Which I really like.
It's interesting for me and something you guys here can't know since you've never seen any of my stage work, which is at least as numberous as my film work - but from people who know both I also get to hear that my shortfilms start to grow closer and closer to what I do on stage. Currently, I find that a good thing.
Also because I reach a type and amount of audience I was never able to reach before. Which is also a good thing.
I think that you could have done more with the cinematography, maybe reined it in a little further to exaggerate the stagey quality of some of the scenes
Yeah, I've no doubt that there could have been done more with the cinematography. I'll definately investigate that further and will experiment more with it - though I also have to say while cinematography interests me a lot and is something I try to get better at, it's the writing/directing that's the main concern for me since that is where my heart truly lies.
I'm getting to the point where doing everything myself in a short time really only gets me that far - which is okay considering I do stuff like that purely as a hobby.
But I do hope the BAK doesn't shoot us down next january so I have the budget for a professional and experienced team and the money to take the necessary time with them. Would love to do that, if only once.
I enjoyed it and I want to see another one.
Heh, thanks. Your wish shall be my order.
Posted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010, 8:49pm
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I'll get back to you on what you just said, would like to discuss it a bit further with you if you have the time? A lot of what you said there is really interesting and sort of chimes with some of my thoughts on certin things. I'll pm you if that's OK, but it will probably be next week, casting and filming this week, so very busy.
Posted: Thu, 7th Oct 2010, 4:35am
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Sure thing, love to!
Good luck with your casing and filming. I'm very very excited to see the result!
Posted: Fri, 8th Oct 2010, 10:03am
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Really like this: I thought you captured the absurdist tone just right, balancing between genuine thriller and farce. I think the restrained visual style works against the comedic acting and dramatic score really well - the cinematography is like the straight guy that makes everything else funny.
An entertaining story, well told.
Posted: Sat, 9th Oct 2010, 10:47am
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Marco, What camera did you shoot this with?
Posted: Sat, 9th Oct 2010, 10:50am
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It was shot with the Sony FX-1 I use since NightCast plus a Letus Adapter for Nikon Lenses (a 28mm, 50mm, 80mm and 135mm )
Posted: Tue, 12th Oct 2010, 10:31am
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Yay! "Art" has been accepted by the exclusive indie stars network and will celebrate it's premiere there on the 15th of october. Looking forward to it.
Posted: Tue, 12th Oct 2010, 1:08pm
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Well done! That must be exciting.
Posted: Tue, 12th Oct 2010, 1:10pm
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Yeah, it's always great when such a small scale production gets recognition of any sort. So we're excited about everything that comes.
Posted: Tue, 12th Oct 2010, 10:15pm
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Posted: Wed, 13th Oct 2010, 1:55pm
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Very interesting as usual. One of your best movies. Liked the edits and expressions on the actors faces plus a good music too. Keep it up Marco.
Posted: Fri, 15th Oct 2010, 2:42pm
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This was simply amazing. I don't think that the static shots take away from the film since I don't care for sloppy hand held camera work myself. Just me though.
The actors were great and I loved all of the twists in the film. That last twist came from out of nowhere, I mouthed your words "Oh sh!t" as you spoke them after the girl says that the guy killed in Paris was her dad. That was awesome. All in all it was about as solid as solid can get for me. 5/5 for me dude. Can't wait for your next film.
Posted: Fri, 15th Oct 2010, 5:56pm
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Excellent and really enjoyable. I thought the acting was pretty well done overall, and the look of the film fit the style and mood of the story really well. Congrats on the indie stars premier.
Posted: Fri, 15th Oct 2010, 7:20pm
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Thanks a bunch for the positive comments and nice words guys. It's much appreciated!
Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010, 9:22am
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I don't understand why some people dont rate this 5/5 stars because I think this is probably on of the best put together films on fxhome. Great music too!
Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010, 2:05pm
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Thank you very much! Glad you like it.
Tastes are different and so far, apart from Rockfilmers, we seem to be doing okay.
Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010, 3:45pm
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Tastes are different and so far, apart from Rockfilmers, we seem to be doing okay.
Sorry, I hate to be that guy, but I thought you have done WAY better. It was still good though.
I kind of thought that the bad guys where being jerked around a little too much by the girls. I thought that the cinematography was really good as well as the score, it just lacked something that all your other films seem to have.
Three stars is still good
Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010, 3:47pm
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Heh, that's fine. You can't ever please everyone.
Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010, 1:16am
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First of all, great title work. The opening credits were spectacular with the active background. The film, not so much. It's not your best work. Still, the premise good and full marks for disguising the twist somewhat, but I'd like to have been dragged in over my head and been fully led astray as I know you're capable of doing. The tough guy act by both of the guys was a bit like bad porno acting, but overall they did a competent job. The women were better, but no one fully gave over to their characters. The guys weren't scary or threatening enough and needed to be much worse to accomplish their goal and the women needed to be much more vulnerable and helpless. Scaring women gets our attention, but tears seal the deal. The hostage should be crying througout and just start bawling when he puts the knife to her throat. All of that would have made us hate the guys (bullies) and feel real fear for the women (helpless little girls.) It's all about grabbing us by our emotions and taking us on a ride. To do that, we need to know something about the characters to make us connect with them and step up the suspense level for us. The gun needed to be set-up. It came out of nowhere. You need to explain how she got it. As for the surprise, a set-up using the curators last name, possibly the name of the gallery or one of the bad guys can say it and she can connect it when she says her name or the first bad guy could see a picture of her with the man they killed, realize who she is and turn around to see her with the gun and bang. Now, we (viewers) want to know what in the picture scared him and why she shot him, which you pay off in the final scene when the exchange takes place. The walk toward each other should have been over-the-shoulder to make it more personal and place us fully in the characters' shoes. Otherwise, the directing is very good as well. "Art" is a good short film, but certainly not what you're fully capable of.
Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010, 5:07am
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bad porno acting
Hehehehehe, I'm so going to print this and clip it to the wall. And whenever bad acting occurs, we'll just point at it and shake our heads in shame.
The hostage should be crying througout (...) All of that would have made us hate the guys and feel real fear for the women (...) The gun needed to be set-up
Doesn't sound at all like what I wanted to make really. But it's certainly a way to do it. Would have given a rather different film. I didn't aim to make a thriller, I aimed to make a comedy. But we've been aware from the start that it's a humour that's probably not wide spread and for people expecting a thriller instead of a dark comedy, the film might be lacking in those areas. Had we done it like that though, the comedy would probably have been killed.
Fortunately, we had lough out louds on most screenings so far. So it works. But it's a difficult balance.
Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010, 8:34am
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I think the bait-and-switch works perfectly - the film switches from romance to thriller to comedy (and then back to thriller a little bit) quite effortlessly and the style works just right, for me at least. The shifting tone is probably why I like it so much - all my favourite books/movies/comics/shows etc do that (which is why I tend to like Joss Whedon's stuff, for example).
FXhomer32915's suggestions would indeed have made it a completely different film. I suspect he didn't quite get the tone you were going for.
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Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010, 4:12pm
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Exactly. The film flows incredibly well as is.
Posted: Sat, 20th Nov 2010, 8:40am
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although I'm quite late, I'd like to shortly comment on this one (just found it, when pointing a friend to your homepage to show him what direction I'd like to go in
First of all: Thanks for 14 minutes of a Saturday morning! That's my spontaneous reaction! I don't know how all the others watch this, but I watch it as an average European cinema-goer who likes Hollywood blockbusters but also fancies a down-to-earth look sometimes because Hollywood often overdoes it these days. I also watch it as a German who understands the words, so the flow for me was great. I've only seen it once so far, so I can give you my impression as "the audience" and not as a techie. After the film, I'm not really interested in the technical details anyway! I feel well entertained (even had a good laugh at two scenes during the film) and thrilled by the surprises squeezed into such a short time. Stuff like this motivates me to start movie-making again...
So much for spontaneity.
Now, it's starting to settle a bit, so what do I remember technically?
- Nice depth of field... Immediately thought this looks like DSLR. But you didn't even use your T2i yet...
- Nice acting. The guys were especially funny (liked the one from "Wild", Beni was as slimy as needed).
- Robin and her friend did it well, too, while I remember Robin blinking quite a lot.
- Camera movement: I like a smooth and dynamic camera (a.k.a. Robert Zemeckis movies). But here, I don't seem to miss anything. Maybe when watching it a second time.
- Lighting: Natural enough for me which I think is the important point: It looks European and therefore makes my day.
Don't know if this is of any relevance, but since this is the cinema forum, why not giving just the audience's view...
Looking forward to see more...
And if you ever have the nerve for bystanders - I'd like to visit one of your sets once since Zurich is only 2 hours from here...
Posted: Sat, 20th Nov 2010, 1:43pm
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Thanks a lot for your encouraging words Christian! I'm glad you enjoyed the film and it was able to entertain you. That's the best that can happen to a filmmaker and so your words are very much appreciated.
Posted: Sun, 28th Nov 2010, 3:14am
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Sorry, I'm really late on this one, but I thought I'd throw in my two cents regardless.
I thought this was fantastic on a number of levels. Certainly deserving of five stars. The acting, cinematography, and direction was the best I've seen in the cinema in a while. Sometimes I find it difficult to totally immerse myself in a film that only lasts fifteen minutes, but you had me in the first five minutes.
I really can't complain about anything in particular, hence why I'm rating it 5 stars. I thought the twists were a tad bit quick for my taste, but that they were handled well considering the 15 minute time-line. Most films (especially feature films) tend to lose me with random twists, but yours were surprising without being too far out there.
Posted: Mon, 10th Jan 2011, 1:11pm
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Some might be interested in the newer, bit shorter cut of the film I made based on online feedback I got. Thanks to everyone who's been taking the time to watch and help me improve it!http://www.nightcast.net/Art.mov
You can download it here until the new links have been updated in the movie page.
Posted: Sat, 12th Feb 2011, 9:05am
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Thanks everyone who has watched and voted for Art in the nominations!
Posted: Tue, 15th Feb 2011, 8:41am
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Just in the time for the awards, I got notice that Art has been selected as one of a few shorts to have a quick run in cinemas! It'll premiere in april 30th in the swiss cinema Xenix! Yay!
Posted: Tue, 15th Feb 2011, 10:06am
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Spiffy! Really pleased for you.
Posted: Tue, 15th Feb 2011, 11:57am
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Excellent, that's great, well done.
Posted: Tue, 15th Feb 2011, 2:24pm
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Great news, Sollthar! That's awesome!
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