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Posted: Tue, 23rd Nov 2010, 8:42pm

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FULL FILM PAGE 10

PREVIEW SCENE ON PAGE 8

TEASER TRAILER ON PAGE 5

Lover Boy is a short film I have been working on for the past few months. It is a love story, hopefully unlike any you've seen before.

Filming is about 80% complete, and has so far been the best and most rewarding filming experience I have had.

This is definitely the most ambitious project I have done, and I'm really excited about how it's shaping up. The plan for it is to have it ready for festival submissions by February.

Over the next couple of months, I'll regularly update this thread with stills, notes on the production, interviews with cast and crew, and that sort of thing.

Hope you enjoy.

Max

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Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2010, 2:50pm

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What a beautiful looking lass.....even if you make a complete ass of this movie she'll win the day for you.smile

Max I look forward to this film of yours , it sounds like you've found something unique with this,just as in your previous movies.
Goodluck to you all.

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Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2010, 2:53pm

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Looking forward to this, obviously. smile

I await more info eagerly and hope that this will get finished and released and not meet death with all its eggs in one basket, so to speak. razz

That still is well chosen...very suggestive and intriguing, without offering any specific information. Definitely tantalising!

Is this the film you were casting a couple of months back?
Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2010, 4:14pm

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Thanks chaps.

Yes, she is a beautiful girl, and a great actress as well. Hopefully the film will be a unique take on a love story/romantic drama, and it's the polar opposite of mr fox in terms of style, although it's shaping up to be much more disturbing.

Tarn, it is indeed the film I was casting for, and it is definitely going to get done, no question.

I'll put more stills up as I go, but I don't want to give away too much away. What do you think of the look of it so far (on a purely visual level)?
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I second Tarns comment about the still, it looks great. In fact, I'd even go as far as saying that it's one of the most promising stills I've seen here yet because it looks like it could be out of a theatrical movie and has nothing "backyard" or "indie" or "low budget" about it.

So, I'm excited. Then again, I was before I saw the still. Now I'm even more. smile
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Yeah, the look is outstanding. Looks cinematic and both threatening and beautiful at the same time.

It's also stylish without having to fall back on extreme grading.

Do you do all your own cinematography? It was one of Mr Fox's main strengths as well - which I actually thought was shot on film.
Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2010, 4:54pm

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Thanks a lot guys. Sollthar, that is a very nice thing to hear, thanks. A huge amount of effort goes into the visuals, so it's nice to hear comments like that.

Thanks Tarn, yes I do all the cinematography, in fact I do everything but acting and sound.

I'll have some more stills up shortly.

Max
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Wow this is really intriguing! I'm excited to see how it turns out. Very neat still as mentioned above. Can't wait to see it!
Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2010, 11:37pm

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NEW GRADE 27/11/10

Hi, here are a few more stills.

The edit is under way and it's coming along well. I think the finished film is going to be considerably longer than I had anticipated, which is nice.

I'm at the point where I know it's definitely going to work, it exceeds my ideas of it, and even if if no one likes it I'll be proud of it, as will everyone who worked on it I'm sure.

OK, more updates soon, let me know any thoughts or questions, thanks for looking.

Max

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Posted: Thu, 25th Nov 2010, 12:38am

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Is that grain in-camera or is it the same overlaid authentic film grain you used for Mr Fox?
Posted: Thu, 25th Nov 2010, 1:07pm

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It's a different grain scan overlay. I've refined my grain technique quite a bit since mr fox, so it looks much more realistic. I add grain because I love the look of it and it helps to hide unpleasant digital artifacts.
Posted: Thu, 25th Nov 2010, 1:09pm

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Unless you want to keep it as a trade secret, I'd love a tutorial on your grading techniques at some point. smile
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OK Tarn, I'll do a grading tutorial at some point if you like, or at least a tutorial on grading an image the way I like it.

I do all my grading in after effects using curves and hue + saturation. Basically what I do is try and separate out the colours in the image as much as possible, because digital cameras tend to wash out images with green. I'm not sure why this is, I think it's to do with the fact that there are more green photo-sites in the sensor than there are red or blue, so the image takes on a green tint.

Anyway, I separate the colours using red, green, and blue curves, taking out as much green as necessary to bring the image back to a natural looking point, then adjusting the other colours to balance the image. Then, I use RGB curves to adjust the contrast.

I like images that look natural, deep, and rich. And I like the look of film so I try and emulate that to some degree. The way that contrast and colour is rendered on film is totally different to digital, so I spend a lot of time looking at film stills to study how colour is rendered, how contrast falls off, how the blacks look, how the whites look, how the skin tones look, how grain affects the image, how grain is distributed through an image etc. Obviously this is very different from one film to the next, but I have a clear idea of what I like visually, and how I want my work to look.

OK, hope that is in some way informative, and I will make a little tutorial when I can.

Max
I add two layers of grain, one set to overlay, the other to add. I adjust the opacity, then I use an RGB curves layer to bring back the contrast that the add layer takes away.

I use hue + saturation to manipulate certain colours a little, for example making reds more vibrant.

So, that's a basic account of my process. It's deceptively simple sounding, but it can take a long time to get to something that works. I also have 100% colour acuity which helps as it means that I have a very accurate perception of small differences in hue. You can do an online test here if you so desire: http://www.xrite.com/custom_page.aspx?PageID=77

Also, I always try and do just enough to the image to make it work, as it's very easy to go over board with it.

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Posted: Thu, 25th Nov 2010, 3:26pm

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Looking forward to this one... the stills are looking great! biggrin
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swintonmaximilian wrote:

OK Tarn, I'll do a grading tutorial at some point if you like, or at least a tutorial on grading an image the way I like it.

I do all my grading in after effects using curves and hue + saturation. Basically what I do is try and separate out the colours in the image as much as possible, because digital cameras tend to wash out images with green. I'm not sure why this is, I think it's to do with the fact that there are more green photo-sites in the sensor than there are red or blue, so the image takes on a green tint.

Anyway, I separate the colours using red, green, and blue curves, taking out as much green as necessary to bring the image back to a natural looking point, then adjusting the other colours to balance the image. Then, I use RGB curves to adjust the contrast.

I like images that look natural, deep, and rich. And I like the look of film so I try and emulate that to some degree. The way that contrast and colour is rendered on film is totally different to digital, so I spend a lot of time looking at film stills to study how colour is rendered, how contrast falls off, how the blacks look, how the whites look, how the skin tones look, how grain affects the image, how grain is distributed through an image etc. Obviously this is very different from one film to the next, but I have a clear idea of what I like visually, and how I want my work to look.

OK, hope that is in some way informative, and I will make a little tutorial when I can.

Max
I add two layers of grain, one set to overlay, the other to add. I adjust the opacity, then I use an RGB curves layer to bring back the contrast that the add layer takes away.

I use hue + saturation to manipulate certain colours a little, for example making reds more vibrant.

So, that's a basic account of my process. It's deceptively simple sounding, but it can take a long time to get to something that works. I also have 100% colour acuity which helps as it means that I have a very accurate perception of small differences in hue. You can do an online test here if you so desire: http://www.xrite.com/custom_page.aspx?PageID=77

Also, I always try and do just enough to the image to make it work, as it's very easy to go over board with it.
Cool stuff, interesting to see how attentive you are to the little details! Also, I got 4 on that test... did you really get 0? How good is your monitor?
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Yeah, I am obsessive, which is a good thing I think. I did get 0 yes, my monitor is quite good, nothing particularly great but it's good. I love that test, people get really competitive over it.
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This looks great! I was looking forward to your other project and then when you mentioned you were goign to be doing something different in between i was waiting to see what it would be, it sounds very interesting! I wish you all the best with it.

Sam

P.S just did that test thing and got 43...pretty average- i think i just about strained my eyes in the process though.
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I had a quick go.. 33. To be honest I had gotten a little bored by the third set though.
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Excuses Daniel, excuses.
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I had gotten bored as well, but I still managed 16.

Interestingly, the result showed that all 16 points were around exactly the same small color range that I must have gotten completely wrong. So either I just really don't see that particular color range or my monitor is screwed. Obviously, I vote for the latter. razz

Anyways, very very interesting. Bot the test and your grading! biggrin
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Also 0 here, but god was it boring... razz
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Looking great so far, Max. Is that grain technique the same as the one they were discussing in the C5D thread? Looks very similar, anyway. I need to give that a shot.
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Thanks very much kind sir. Yes, it is the same technique, but adjusted slightly. it works very well and it's a lot easier than piecing together grain scans frame by frame.

More updates soon, I'll try and write up a little bit about the shoot.
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Ps. I got 3 on that test. I'm on my laptop currently, so I look forward to trying it again when I'm on my editing tower, which has a much nicer monitor.
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See how competitive it is?
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Perfect score on my first try smile I feel accomplished.
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Right, enough about the test. Any thoughts on the other thing this thread is about Thrawn?
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*cough* oh right, the film... wink

Looks great! I'm not sure if it's the framing or just the grading, but this really has a Mr. Fox feel to it (which is great). I'm not sure what it is about the first still, but it really works for me on a number of levels. Sort of disappointing you had to drop the "eggs in one basket" project, but I know how it is. Besides, this looks incredibly promising. I've really been anticipating your next project, so this is particularly exciting for me. And yes, though my comments were on the test, I've been following this thread with interest.

I'll be looking forward to the updates, especially any production notes you have. A behind the scenes look at your work would be very cool.
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Thanks Thrawn, it's interesting you get a mr fox feel from the stills, because this film is very different in style, very differently paced.

The man who met death etc will happen at some point, but I was spending far too much time on it and it was clearly not possible at the time, so it's been shelved for now. I'm going to finish this film, get it into circulation, and do another one as soon as I can, then try death eggs at a point when I can do it how I want.

I'll write something up about the experience of this film so far over the next couple of days, and I'll try and get a few more stills up.

Glad you're looking forward to it.

Max
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Pooky wrote:

How good is your monitor?
I've scored a 0 on that test the 4 times I've taken it, on a range of monitors going from one calibrated in a studio to a very cheap home, uncalibrated 15 inch one. So I'd argue that how good the monitor is plays only a very small part of it.

My reasoning for this is that whatever your monitors colour profile, it will be applied to all the colours on screen. The colours may not be strictly true to what a calibrated monitor would see, but the differences between them are still the same. But still, feel free to blame your monitor.

Anyway, as always - I'm looking forwards to watching this. Mr Fox is such a solid favourite of mine, as are the fake trailers. Always so rich to look at. Can't wait.

Matt
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Thanks Matt, you are one of the colour elite.
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swintonmaximilian wrote:

I add two layers of grain, one set to overlay, the other to add. I adjust the opacity, then I use an RGB curves layer to bring back the contrast that the add layer takes away.
Is this to simulate film response? Grain is slightly different between darks and black areas of a film as well as heaviest in the blue channel etc.

Something worth knowing is that if you're working with a camera that shoots AVCHD - the footage you capture will also have been run through some JPEG compression. So if you're adding an element, you may need to add JPEG compression to it as well as grain for it to look perfect!

I should finish by saying - perfect colour vision isn't necessary to make beautiful images. Or to add grain/perfectly match two colours when compositing - When I am matching grain I usually just look at each colour channel separately and match the contrast/brightness.

Matt
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Great looking film Swinton, am really looking forward to it. smile Look forward to the updates, and the stills look great. Once it hits festivals, are you going to be releasing the film itself online?

As for the test, whoo, perfects each time and it only takes me a minute or so. I love color and have been studying theory since I was a lad. I knew I wasn't color blind in any way, but that's nice.
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What is this grain technique Aculag mentioned? I can't find any "C5D thread" anywhere razz
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http://www.cinema5d.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=8348&start=30&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

I believe they're talking about this one. Swinton steals the attention from the op on the second page with Mr. Fox haha pretty great!

Can't wait to see this film by the way. Mr. Fox was inspiring to see way back when.
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Thanks chaps.

Matt, Yes it is. I haven't ever gone in and added it into different channels, but I will try that. I do it because I love the look of grain, the texture of it, so I try and re create that as much as I can. It's very difficult to get right, but I think I'm getting closer. The really hard part is distributing it correctly through the image. I still need to tweak it a bit on these.

Thanks Serpent, yes, once it's done festivals I'll put it online. I've never entered anything into a festival before, but I know some of them won't take a film if it's already online, so I'll have to wait a bit.

Thanks doppelganger, hopefully you'll like this new one.

I have asked the cast to write up a bit about their experiences on the film, and I'll do the same, so that should be interesting/narcissistic. (All content will be heavily edited to paint me in a flattering light)
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The stills look great, like Tim Burton,you have a style all your own. Looking at your site I notice your films reflect your drawings/painting style. Keep up the good work, looking forward to more updates.
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Thanks very much chosen one, I'm glad you think so. More updates coming soon as I've refined my grain technique considerably and I'm quite excited about it.
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So, based on Hybrid-Halo's comment about adding grain into the video's individual colour channels, I have refined my grain process considerably (thanks Matt).

I separated the video's colour channels, then added multiple layers of grain into each at differing intensities. I re combined the channels and the result is a film grain effect that is part of the video, it looks far more realistic than my previous method, and behaves more realistically too.
It also has the effect of making the image look sharper even though it isn't.

Also, I've been working more on the grade, and I'm getting much closer to a look I'm happy with.

Here is a re graded still, and below it is a 100% crop comparing the old grade and grain (left) with the new one (right). What do people think of the new grade and grain? Better? worse? Pointless difference?


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Damn that looks good. I would probably say to reduce the colour grain a bit if you can, but it's definite an improvement even with it. Now I definitely want a tutorial on doing that smile
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Further work on the grade, getting there. What do people think of the various grades? Thanks for the input Pooky.

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I like it! I liked all of them to be honest. Personally I'd say I have to see how it looks in motion, since that's where it'll make the most difference for me.
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I think the latest grade may be a tad too bright on the actor. Something between that and the previous one (which might've been too flat) would probably work better for me. Really depends on the scene and context, though, so I might be wrong.
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I agree that I'd need to see it in motion. Right now it looks fantastic, but stills can only say so much.
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swintonmaximilian wrote:

and it's the polar opposite of mr fox in terms of style, although it's shaping up to be much more disturbing.
How is that possible, haha?!

I have shown Mr. Fox to my friends in the past, letting them know before just how wierd and disturbing it is, and how cool the visual effects were. After the viewing sessions, I got two responses.
1. Wow that was wierd but really cool!
2. That was just plain odd.

I loved this film, and your others have been enjoyable in the past. Just by the stills of this one I feel like I can already tell that this is going to be really odd. Especially the one with the guy staring off into space as the girl looks at him like, "You gonna do something."

Now now, I could be completely off on what this is. But I can't wait. Do you know when this will be released or if you could show us a little trailer. I understand that is hard to do if it is a short film, but at least more stills!! Release date! Creepy?!

AHHHH!

-2xZ!!
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Thank's for the feedback chaps. I've arrived at what will hopefully be the final grade for this particular scene.



2xZProductions, I think it's more disturbing because it's more human than mr fox and the content is more distressing on an emotional level. I think most people will be able to identify with the overall theme of the film on some level, although hopefully not with some of the actual incidents that occur.

I'm not sure when it will be released online, next year at some point. I will have a teaser trailer ready in the next month or so though.

Max

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Hi, here are some new grabs from the film. These might give a little more of an idea of the tone of the film, and to some extent the story. Full res grabs are linked to underneath each pic.





We are shooting the last scenes tomorrow, and the edit is coming along well, although it's proving to be much trickier than I anticipated. I hope to release a teaser sometime in the next month, as well as more behind the scenes stuff.

As usual, would love to hear any feedback anyone has.

Thanks for looking,

Max

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Good luck with the last of the shoot!
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This looks pretty good, and after reading the synopsis, I have a better idea of its overall storyline. I am very excited for the release, and thank you for the feedback.

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Loving this - Looking forward to seeing the finished product.
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This is looking excellent. A rain poncho with no rain is always mildly intriguing. wink
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But I was going to use a rain poncho in my next film... *sigh* wink

Looks excellent. Looking forward to that teaser!
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Your production design is, as always, extremely well done. From Mr Fox, to the 'Eggs' teaser images, to the images released for this project thus far, there's been a great show of it. The first image here is fantastic - the lighting, design, direction...everything is top notch. Awesome.

To be completely honest, though, the last two images don't inspire the same level of excitement that your previous images have. In contrast to the lush design and creepy facial expressions in other pics, we have pretty standard composition, setting, expressions, lighting, and design (apart from the poncho wink). Furthermore, with all of those interestingly-shaped light sources in the background, I wonder if a deeper focus would make the shot a bit more intriguing by bringing out some more detail back there?

I'm sure it looks great in motion and cuts into the film very nicely, but as teaser images go, those last two just aren't nearly as immediate, informative, and visceral as your others...especially when juxtaposed with the above picture, which is your best screengrab to date.

Still very excited to watch the thing, though! smile
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I'm loving it!
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I'm loving it!
Are mods sponsored now?
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Cool stuff, nice compositions and nice post-processing, although I can't help but feel the most recent images look more like every knows-what-he's-doing-in-practical-fluorescent-light-at-night filmmaker here, less like a 'movie', as it were. Seems to be absent of any non-available lighting, is what I'm getting at, I suppose.

Still, cool stuff. I look forward to the full thing.
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Hi, thanks for the comments.

Rogolo, thanks very much. Yes, those last two grabs are less exciting as still images it's true. The setting is relevant to the story, and is intentionally as undramatic as possible. Hopefully you'll see why when you see the finished film.

Ben, I understand your comment, but I'd have to disagree in this case. Yes it's practical available light, but it suits the story where more artificial "movie" lighting wouldn't. The mundane, everyday look created by using those horrible, massive fluorescents fits with the story. Like I say, hopefully that will come across. Every visual element is planned and is there to enhance the themes and ideas of the film, nothing is in there just to look good, so sometimes the right set and cinematography isn't the prettiest. Also, I would shoot every film with available light if I could, or light to recreate the practical light at any given location. I just like how it looks.

Anyway, thanks for the comments all, more updates soon.

Max
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Looks lovely. In a forbidding, oppressive, tantalizing kind of way.

I can't wait! Give me more!
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Just wondering if there were anymore updates?
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Hi, the film is edited now, and I am finishing off the grade and some compositing, and the score and sound design are well on the way.

My sound man, Stuart, is working on the score and sound design and it's sounding very good so far, so I'm excited about that. It's coming together really well and hopefully I'll have some visual things to post up here soon.

I'm working on a teaser, and a poster, both of which I'll put up when I can. So basically, expect some major updates in the next month or so.

Max
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Looking really cool and interesting Max.
Goodluck with the final completion and look forward to its release.
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Thanks Dave, hopefully I'll have something to show soon. The online release date may be some time away, after the film has gone through festivals.

Max
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What a shame for us, but understandable. Hopefully it'll go well in the festival round. And then comes straight online, cause I wanna see it. smile
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Yes it will, I'll premier it here for it's online release. I wish I could put it up online at the same time as it goes into festivals, but as you know it's not allowed. I will have a teaser up soon though, so there will be something to watch at least.

I really hope people like it, have to wait and see.
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I am glad to know a teaser will be put up soon, I really would like to see how its going!
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Teaser will be online in a few days, just polishing it up and coordinating a few things for it's release.
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YES yes YES yes YES yes YES yes YES yes YES yes YES yes YES yes YES yes YES yes YES yes YES yes YES yes YES yes !!!
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What he said.
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That's what she said.
FTFY

Really excited about this, Max!
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Jack and Chlo fell in love. They love each other very much. But Chlo can be cruel, her behaviour erratic. As Jack's increasingly fragile state of mind begins to rapidly degrade, he will have to choose between facing up to the fatal flaw in his and Chlo's relationship, or exploring his own potential for cruelty to it's fullest potential.

Starring ZACH SELL HANNAH WILDER CALLUM FULLER

Written and Directed by Max Swinton

Produced by Max Swinton and Zach Sell

Original score by Stuart Torrance


TEASER LINK: http://vimeo.com/21595736

Here it is then, the teaser for the film and the poster. Please let me know what you think, tell your friends, and like the films new facebook page (if you so desire)

Also check out my website and the LOVER BOY page for updates:
http://www.happysadpictures.com/

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lover-Boy/138130056257580?sk=wall
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Ohmygod you have no idea how much i love this. One of the best teasers/trailers i've ever seen.
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Just saw the teaser on Facebook. Really fantastic stuff so far, Max. The trailer reminded me of Funny Games, which is a good thing. It has that same sense of sociopathy that FG, Clockwork Orange, The Vanishing (original), etc. have. Sort of whimsical, but very clearly on the "cracked" side of things, with a lot of overlying dread. Very much looking forward to the finished product.

I take it you illustrated the poster image? Also quite excellent if I do say so myself.
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Expectedly brilliant! You've got a wicked sense of style.

I gotta ask - what fonts did you use for the poster and on your site? Quite like the typography.
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It looks like futura but I could be wrong...

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Very interesting, and some really cool shots there. The laughing itself seemed very odd, not at the performance, just the way they laughed. It looks very odd, and I still really can't get a feel for the story, but it looks really good. Is there an estimate on how long it will be? And around what time can we expect it to be released?

Looks awesome, keep up the awesome work!

-2xZ
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Intriguing Teaser Max! Looking forward to seeing the whole film even more now!
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Hrrrmmmm....

I'm a bit more unenthused than everyone else here, sadly. The trailer is well put together, but the sum of it's parts don't particularly 'grab me' in any specific way, so I'm left with more of a feeling of 'well that's nice, I hope I like the full thing' instead of a genuine desire to want to see more.

Admittedly, I may not be the audience for this, though. I've really enjoyed your work in the past, but this just doesn't strike me as anything particularly unique/swintonmaximillian-y. wink

Which is a fault of my expectations for you, I suppose. But yeah, I guess I've just not been able to 'buy in' to Lover Boy. I haven't understood the allure or craze over what's been presented, and I still really don't with this teaser.

And it's that sort of perplexed feeling I'm left with that I'm guessing makes my viewing doubly-disappointing/odd.

Buuuuuuut, I've very little doubt in your talent as a filmmaker, and I will continue to keep an eye on this project- and see the final product if and when you choose to release it- because of the faith I've got in that talent.

Technically, there isn't much to gripe about here; it's all very solid. But it also feels very safe, too. The lighting, specifically in the maniacal laughing in the opening, feels very bland and amateurish- which surprised me considering how starkly it contrasts your usually meticulous eye for grain, grading, lighting, and 'old-film-looking' composition. Otherwise, everything else seems pretty much in order.

The music/cuts, too, were solid. But nothing spectacular IMO. (Besides reminding me of Mousehunt and Funny Games. biggrin)

Right now I'm putting this on my radar on a lower level. But nothing from it has piqued my interest. At least not majorly. Not yet. smile
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This reminds me a lot of Clockwork Orange and Rules of Attraction, both of which are good things. I agree with Atom that the opening shots are unexpectedly flat, but knowing Max I imagine that's entirely deliberate?

Intriguing. I like teasers that intrigue without really telling you anything.
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That looked fabulous!

The previous posters' comparisons with Henke and Kubrick are very well made (I assume the yellow raincoat is a nod to the end scene of Funny Games, or am I reading too much into that?) .

It also has a very Gaspar Noe feel to it - specifically the trailer from Irreversible; obviously from the block coloured sans-serif fonts on black coupled with Beethoven, it would be difficult to escape from that comparison, but it's more than that. The overall feel of this trailer is incredible - even more so than your previous work. Dark and foreboding, but deeply intriguing. I can not wait to see this!
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Looking forward to this Max
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Thanks very much for the feedback guys.

I'll address some of the points made, starting with the big question: Fonts. The font is futura.

I'm glad that people seem to like the overall tone of the trailer, as I wanted to create something that was sort of funny, disturbing, and intriguing. I chose the music as it strips the images of any definite context, which I like.

The comments about the opening shots are interesting. That scene, and other parts of the film but particularly the first half is deliberately very fake looking. I wanted it to look bland and almost like they were sitting in a cheap set that was made of partition walls. The way it's acted is specifically to give the impression of not being very genuine, like a line recital. It makes sense in the context of the film. So, Atom, I would disagree with amateurish, but yes, it is bland and intentionally so, and it looks the way it does as a result of meticulous attention to detail, which is maybe ironic. The whole film is shot as simply as possible, with as few different angles and as few cuts as possible.

Atom, I think that you will probably hate the film. I like that you found it not very "swintonmaximilian" smile, is that based off the fact that it's not at all like mr fox? I think that people do have certain expectations based on mr fox, and this is completely different. I think though that it comes down to personal taste, both in terms of aesthetics and content. I think that you won't like it, I think you'll be perplexed and find it annoying, and I'm looking forward to your review. biggrin

Arktic, the yellow raincoat is actually not a reference to funny games, but that's an interesting point. I didn't like funny games at all really, and hadn't seen the trailer up until about 5 minutes ago when people mentioned the similarities.

Thanks again for the comments, glad people are mostly finding it intriguing.

The film will be released online after it goes through some festivals, so a few months I would think. I'll update this thread with new and progress etc, and release it when I can.

Max
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This looks really good Max. I'm not exactly ready to call it a masterpiece, but I definitely think I'm getting a feel for it now. I wasn't entirely sure what to expect, but I do like the direction your headed with this.

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm saving my verdict for when there's a little more context. I'm confident that you'll handle it well, considering your attention to the small things. smile But yeah, I'm looking forward to its release!
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Thanks Thrawn, it's no masterpiece, but I'm happy with how it's coming together. There are of course plenty of things I would change, but everyone involved with it has learned a lot and we are ready for the next one.

I think this film is going to be case of love or hate it, which I'm looking forward to.biggrin
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swintonmaximilian wrote:

The font is futura.
hm... i'm not sure how I didnt know that considering I use futura for most everything...

I love how fast the three/four(?) shots at the end cut almost creating an optical illusion, really trippy. Also the shot when the girl's rubbing his shoulder's while he's freaking out. Really excellent stuff. Also I randomly had to pause the video and the dudes got blood around his mouth... it just gets better haha.

The only shot I see that bothers me is the one where they're sitting on the couch and he has his legs crossed. I'm sure it works better in the full film though. Anyways, cant wait!
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I think that you won't like it, I think you'll be perplexed and find it annoying, and I'm looking forward to your review. biggrin
Well that's quite depressing to hear. smile
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Ha, well obviously I hope you'll like it, but I think that it might not be your thing, and I don't think you'll enjoy it. All the evidence so far points that way, but, like I say I hope you enjoy it. I hope everyone enjoys it, but I know it's a film that will divide opinion, and I'm glad about that.

Doppelganger, you do use futura for everything, you should have known that. Yeah, that shot is part of a long sequence, my favourite part of the film actually.
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Looking forward to seeing the whole film even more now!
And I as well. Very nicely done, looks like it will be cool!
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Max, this looks uniquely interesting. While Mr. Fox and Mr. Pike had a Tim Burton vibe going on, I have to say I'm getting a strong Stanley Kubrick feel watching this. Keep up the great work, looking forward to the finished masterpiece.
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Hmm, that grade and film grain is looking really very nice! Forgot to comment on that before- but nicely done, looking forward to the final piece. wink
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Sexy. Looking forward to it. The fast montage at the end created a great creepy image all together.

Are your actors American or Scottish?
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I have very mixed feelings about this after seeing the trailer. Part of me is intrigued, but part of me is hesitant to watch it. I'm not exactly sure why... However the more I watch it the more I like it. I've just finished watching it for the fourth or fifth time and I think I'm starting to warm up to it. I personally don't think that the opening shots look "amateurish" but I do see the "blandness" there. I still have hope but not sure how I feel at the moment.
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To be completely honest, I watched it with an open mind the moment you posted the link, before any of the comments, and I too thought it looked very bland and amateurish.

But again, I reserve judgment for the final thing, because I think the tone of it all will fit your style well and I'll really like it. I remember freshman year showing Mr. Fox off to everyone I knew in my building, and we all watched it countless times the moment it came out.

Again, not to hate, I just feel that, as a trailer, there isn't much to like here - at least, in my own opinion. I actually have a very hard time seeing how anyone can call this a 'best trailer ever', because it seems to contain so little 'content' (for better or worse). Again, though, I'm sure the final thing will rock my socks off, and I've always been a huge fan of your work.
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Thanks for the comments, interesting points being made.

Serpent, the guy is American, the girl is English, and there is a scot in it but he doesn't speak.

Biblmac, can you go into any more detail on why you would be hesitant to watch it? Just not your thing? Or any other reasons?

Ben, can't say I am surprised by your thoughts. When you say you thought it looked bland and amateurish, are you referring to all of it? And what does amateurish mean in this context? Do you mean you think it's badly filmed/composed/edited/crafted etc?

I'd have to disagree, of course, and say that it isn't amateurish, and that there is such a thing as the appropriate look for something, and that this whole film looks the way it does in support of the story. It isn't pretty and it isn't slick, but the visuals support the story and emphasise themes and ideas. So I take slight offence with comments of it looking amateurish, because it isn't. But, I know that every persons idea of what looks cinematic and good is different. I have faith in my own visual sensibilities, and every shot I make is supported by thought and a reason to do so, and is set up to look the way I want it to.

Yes, wait and see the film, although again I'm guessing it won't be your cup of tea. It's nothing at all like mr fox, it's tonally and visually completely different. And this is a teaser, I designed it to give nothing away, and to put the shots out of context, so that the film itself will be a surprise. The tone of the film is nothing like the teaser, it's completely different again.

But, I really hope you do like the film, and I hope that when you see it in context it will at least click with you enough for you to appreciate what I was doing with it.

I'm going to release a clip from the film in a couple of weeks or so, and that will give a better representation of what the film is like.

Max
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I actually really, really like that there's little-to-no context in this. That's what a good teaser should be like, if you ask me - tantalising without offering anything concrete to get your teeth into. A full trailer is where you give context (and usually too much, if you're a professional movie...).

I absolutely get a very, very strong Kubrick vibe from this trailer, which excites me massively. It's the precision of every element, so that whether you actually like it or not you know the filmmaker has done it deliberately. I like watching movies with that kind of confidence - doesn't mean I'll like the movie itself, but at least I know that I'm seeing exactly what the director wanted and that there's nothing lazy about it.
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Biblmac, can you go into any more detail on why you would be hesitant to watch it? Just not your thing? Or any other reasons?
I'm not entirely sure. I think it is partly because, I don't think it is my thing, as you said. Looks to be kinda "creepy" and judging from all the descriptions I've read it will have some "creepyness" to it, which just (normally) isn't my thing. Tarn was saying how he is getting a "very strong Kubrik vibe" from this, and to be honest, this thread is the first time I'd heard of that director, and I looked him up and I've never seen anything he's done. The Chosen One mentioned Tim Burton (but saying that this wasn't like him) and I don't watch Tim Burton movies anymore because "they just aren't my thing". I hated Alice in Wonderland, so I suppose "creepy" just isn't my thing. I'll watch it anyway, but when I first saw this trailer, for some reason it was completely different then what I expected, not sure what I was expecting though haha.
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swintonmaximilian wrote:

Ben, can't say I am surprised by your thoughts. When you say you thought it looked bland and amateurish, are you referring to all of it?
Yeah, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but not surprising that both Ben and Atom feel that way. Just sounds like the usual Atomic thing, where if they're not the ones who filmed it/hyped it up, it must not be that great. rolleyes
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swintonmaximilian wrote:

Yeah, that shot is part of a long sequence, my favourite part of the film actually.
ahh okay, I could actually see it working well as a long shot. I'm assuming its connected with the one of them kissing and what not. It just seemed jarring since the couch is centered and they are ever so slightly to the left of the screen.

ben3308 wrote:

I actually have a very hard time seeing how anyone can call this a 'best trailer ever'
I'm assuming your referring to my comment "One of the best teasers/trailers i've ever seen." And I stand by that. Maybe its because I find the plot intriguing, or that it's visually and tonally very similar to the things I try and achieve. And then just little things like how fast the trailer is yet it's obvious the film will be slow and yadadada.

The teaser struck something with me and I loved it, not that much to look into haha. Also the 'could be cliche' 80's style title used in the creepy way it is also helps.

Biblmac wrote:

to be honest, this thread is the first time I'd heard of that director, and I looked him up
and I've never seen anything he's done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I1J5KAwiOA

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Biblmac wrote:

Tarn was saying how he is getting a "very strong Kubrik vibe" from this, and to be honest, this thread is the first time I'd heard of that director, and I looked him up and I've never seen anything he's done.
Yikes! That's something you should fix ASAP. smile

Probably my favourite director of all time - which isn't to say his films are my favourite films. But I love his precision, and how each of his films is in a completely different genre (although all of them are, in one way or another, psychological horror).
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Tarn, got any suggestions on where to start?
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A Clockwork Orange was the first of Kubrick's I saw... probably the best to start with. Or The Shining..
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A Clockwork Orange is a great film, but its not for everyones taste. Kinda like the old TV show Monty Python Flying Circus meets the movie Silence of the Lambs....LOL
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Aculag wrote:

swintonmaximilian wrote:

Ben, can't say I am surprised by your thoughts. When you say you thought it looked bland and amateurish, are you referring to all of it?
Yeah, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but not surprising that both Ben and Atom feel that way. Just sounds like the usual Atomic thing, where if they're not the ones who filmed it/hyped it up, it must not be that great. rolleyes
It is possible to have an opinion on something that isn't overt praise, you know, right? wink
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Yeah, you have them all the time biggrin
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For you swinton, very rarely. wink
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Atom wrote:

It is possible to have an opinion on something that isn't overt praise, you know, right? wink
There you go again, making me a better person. wink

Edit: vvv Hahaha...

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Belittling others unprovoked does that, I hear. wink
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Boys, lets get back on track, or I'll have to send you both to different ends of the playground.
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It took me some time to finally watch the teaser. Judging from the trailer the final film is going to be one really strange ride - and I'm absolutely looking forward to that.

Taking into account that I never liked "Beethovens 9th symphony" (in fact, I tend to be scared away by it very easily) I'm quite confused by the fact that I just watched the trailer for the third time - and still liked it a lot. I guess that means that you must have done everything right wink
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Thanks Helge, I'm glad you like it. Yeah the music is overused, which is one of the reasons I chose it actually, everybody knows it, which helps keep the images in the teaser isolated from how they will be in the context of the film.

Hope you like the film itself, I'll be uploading a short scene from the film in a couple of weeks.

Max
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Please try to not make it too many weeks - I'm really looking forward to this smile

Regarding the music: sounds like you have it all planned out meticulously - which fits the 'kubricky' feeling some people had very well. Even if the music will not make it into the final movie, I think it perfectly fits the trailer.

The thing that annoys me most about it is the 'lyrics'. OK - it might not be fair to judge hundreds of years later, but that overly elevated glorification of joy within those words simply is too much for my taste.
I guess, it is this discrepancy between music and visual content which grabbed my attention.
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Just a quick update to say that the score is really coming along and sounding fantastic, very excited, my sound designer and composer on this project, Stuart Torrance, is doing a great job.

So, there will be a clip up in a couple of weeks, maybe a whole scene but I'll have to wait and see.

Max
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Hi, Lover Boy is now complete and is in the process of being submitted to film festivals. The film had a very positive test screening and looked and sounded great on on the big screen in a cinema.

We will be having a private screening on Saturday the 28th of May at 12:00 pm at The Glasgow Film Theatre in Glasgow. I doubt anyone here is located appropriately for this, but if anyone is, let me know if you fancy it.

As promised, here is a preview of the film, in the form of part of a scene, click on the image below:



Lover Boy will be released online later this year, and I'll keep this thread updated with news regarding festivals etc.

Thanks for looking, feedback appreciated.

Max
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Really excellent look in that scene, Max. I love the framing, and the grain really works well. You've clearly put a lot of work into this.
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Wish I could make the screening! The scene is a good hook: I want to know more. Love the decadent feel of the thing.

On a side note: how did you go about projecting in HD? In my limited experience with cinemas (and festivals) they seem surprisingly incapable of showing anything that isn't either on a DVD or in a fully professional delivery format.
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A great looking preview and fabulous acting also a little spooky to say the least.
This scene is quite unnerving and superbly shot....once again ,the actor
is playing this really cool and made me eat my words.smile

Excellent Max and goodluck with this movie.





Dave
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The outcome looks great, can't wait to watch the whole film.
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Thanks chaps, hope you all like the film. I'll update with festival news and things, looking forward to releasing it online.

Thanks for the comments,

Max
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That preview was done really well - built anticipation quite well!
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Thanks Garrison.

Simon, to answer your question, the cinema we test screened it in (which is the same place we are having the actual screening) is fully set up for HD digital projection, and it's a simple as providing the film on a hard drive for the projectionist. You are right, it pains me to have to submit dvd's to festivals, knowing how bad they look in comparison to the original.
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Nice! Glad you found a cinema that actually knows how to offer decent tech. With digital projection these days there's really no excuse whatsoever to not be able to project any digital file. As long as it can play on a computer, it should be projectable (is that a word?).
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That was rather cool. Much more excited now, after seeing that little bit! Although it kinda plays right into my original thought that this will be sort of a "thriller" suspense type that I'm not usually into, I do think I'll enjoy it more than I had previously expected.
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Thanks Biblmac, glad you're looking forward to it a little bit more now. Yeah, I don't really know how to describe it, it's sort of a thriller, sort of a horror, sort of funny, I don't know, have to wait and see what you think.

Max
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I've uploaded a part of the Lover Boy score to my blog:

http://www.noise-eye.co.uk

Hopefully this will be of interest to some of the posters here.

smile

Stuart (a.k.a the Lover Boy sound department)
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ok I give, this has peaked my curiosity.
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Lover Boy is currently being entered into film festivals, and for that reason won't be going online publicly for an indefinite period of time.

I would like to give people here on FXhome the chance to see it now, because I've had a lot of support and interest from these forums for the film and it seems only fair that you should see it first. Also, with the advent of Hitfilm.com, I'm not sure where this thread will be next year, so it makes sense to do it now.

So, if anyone is interested in watching it, please pm me for the Vimeo link and the password.

Max

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Ooh, exciting!
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Double posting because I feel like it.

Have watched it, and thought it was extremely well done. It's at times hard to watch, but it's so riveting that it forces you to keep watching. It has an eerie, almost alien vibe throughout, but it's oddly humorous, quite compelling. Given the small number of shots, it's almost like watching a sequence of paintings with a soundtrack; it's very clear that a lot of thought went into each shot, and each action.

It'll cause a stir one way or another around these parts. It's definitely not for everyone.
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I would love to watch it, if you'd so kindly oblige. biggrin
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Quote Aculag..

"Have watched it, and thought it was extremely well done. It's at times hard to watch, but it's so riveting that it forces you to keep watching. It has an eerie, almost alien vibe throughout, but it's oddly humorous, quite compelling. Given the small number of shots, it's almost like watching a sequence of paintings with a soundtrack; it's very clear that a lot of thought went into each shot, and each action.

It'll cause a stir one way or another around these parts. It's definitely not for everyone."

Aculag's comment says it all for me,but I would like to add.....

I don't think I've watched such an artistic piece of work from an Indie
film maker, even though I was expecting something rare from you , Max,you've stunned me... biggrin

I was mesmorised but also found it disturbing and riveting.

I'm sure this movie is gonna be very controversial especially from the older (age) members.I felt like I'd bitten off more than I could chew. wink

The hard work that went into the production is obvious and the actors were superb.
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Impressive stuff indeed, and really rather unique. As others have said, it's horrific and disturbing, but also captivating. What's most remarkable is that there's also an underlying wit and humour to the thing - much like Mr Fox, where there was a comedic element working behind the scenes that you couldn't quite put your finger on.

The main thing, for me, is that it reminds me of Kubrick's work. There's a deliberate poise to the whole thing that is very rewarding as a viewer.
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I agree with Tarn that Kubrick comes to mind immediately when watching this.

I can't say that this is my cup of tea, and I expected what I saw given your past work. But still, you venture into a different style that seems to compliment the overall experience when watching it.

Usually, I'd say to edit it down to make it more succinct, but it all works here. The long shots really makes me wonder what is going on... in a good way.
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Not much else I can add that people haven't already said. Loved it, it was what I was expecting (style wise). The story was much more odd than I imagined it would be which is great! Can't wait to hear how it does at festivals!
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I pretty much second what everyone else has said. Your direction is very focused and clear and the film manages to create an eerie atmosphe and is really well made. I love how the editing is so focused and the camerawork is very, very deliberate.
Directionwise, this is absolutely spot on. Kudos to you and I wish you a lot of success!

On an entirely personal side though, it's not really something I could relate to. So even though it was perfectly made and I completely see it as that, it wasn't something the resonated with me on any other level then the interested filmmaker. I couldn't really emotionally comprehend what went on exactly between these characters. But that's probably also a reference to Kubrick, since I don't resonante with Kubricks stuff either. smile
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I also thought this was a great piece of work. As I told you personally, I found the film captivating, and the style and resolve struck chords with me that few filmmakers are able to. Let us know how things go at the festivals, I bet it will be a good time.
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Thank you all very much for your thoughts on the film. You've all had a hand in getting it made through the support and enthusiasm you've shown me on these forums, and I am very thankful for it.

I am very happy that the film has struck a chord with some people to deliver a real emotional experience as I don't think you can ask for anymore than that as a film-maker, it's the ultimate achievement.

Conversely I am enjoying the feedback from those who didn't connect with it on an emotional level, it's interesting to see just how subjective a film is, everyone watches the same film, and no one watches the same film, if that makes sense.

If anyone else is interested please get in touch, and hopefully those of you who have seen it will be interested to know that I'm starting work on a new short very soon, that may have something to do with an old production thread with an overly long title.

Thanks again,

Max
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I'm kind of in-between Sollthar and Aculag: I agree with both that the film was masterfully made, with some of the best direction (if not the best) that I've seen on here.

However, where I fall in-between is that the film did affect me emotionally, by making me go through a number of emotions like uneasiness, confusion, disgust, etc. However, while the emotional reaction was there for me, I had no real idea what the "point" of all of it was. It was clearly very artistic and deliberate, but I guess I'm just one of those people that need either a narrative or an explanation to fully appreciate art. Then again, I loved Mr. Fox despite it not having any narrative. Maybe it's because this had human actors?
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swintonmaximilian wrote:

I'm starting work on a new short very soon, that may have something to do with an old production thread with an overly long title.
If it involves eggs then color me excited. I love eggs.
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Pooky, I guess that the point of it was to make something that was an emotional experience and could be interpreted in a number of different ways. I am interested in narrative being based on the emotional journey, and in this film the approach was to create and represent an emotional journey through imagery.

I completely take the point that for some there needs to be more of a concrete context, and in some ways I agree and it's something I'm working on with the next film.

I definitely think a film should be an emotional experience and not a book on screen, but like I say, I'm still working on striking a balance.
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Very well made max, well done. You certainly have an eye for the look for what your aiming for, and pulling it off. Technically it's brilliant, and unlike most short films that I watch where I lose patience within the first minute or so, this kept me riveted to the end.But, as has been mentioned, in the end I was left wondering what was the point, I didn't understand the relationship, was it all in his head? I know that it's good to have a film ask you questions after you've watched it, with this I'm struggling to find any answers.
Technically superb, confusing as a whole, but, i do think this will get you noticed, in a very good way, well done mate.
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Well, it's different, I'll give you that. I watched this film with an open mind since you said it was nothing like any of your other films, but I just could not grasp any type of plot or story line, even with the second viewing. I'm not saying I didn't like it, just that maybe it was over my head. It was very abstract and artful though, which I do like about your films.

On the tech side of things, like all your films, its very solid with great cinematography and editing throughtout.
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Full film now online: http://vimeo.com/24824299

Would love to hear what people think.

Max
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Going to watch it as soon as I get back to my dorm room! Glad to finally see this biggrin

EDIT: Whoah, that was certainly quite shocking ha. It was good though. Certainly different from you're other projects, though lovely sound design as usual. I've watched it twice so far. I'm also curious how this did at festivals..