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Clone Help

Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2010, 4:42am

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Azulon'sAssassin

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Ok, so I've got two questions about some clone stuff...


1:How can I make it look as though I'm actually fighting a clone(martial arts, fist fight, etc...)



2:How can I make it look as though they are sword/lightsaber fighting?
Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2010, 6:46pm

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FXstudios99

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Here's a good tutorial on cloning with EffectsLab which is what I have.
http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25753

To have interaction between the clones is pretty tricky. If you look at the tutorial in the link, you can see how they create a roughly shaped mask around one of them. For interaction, you'd have to create that mask around the exact shape of the body (that is interacting) and change it each frame. This would take an extremely long time javascript:emoticon('crazy')

There is also the option of getting CompositeLab Pro. I don't have any experience with it so maybe someone can post their comments about it.
Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2010, 2:12am

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Azulon'sAssassin

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I have the trial version of composite lab, but your advice was helpful. Thanks!
Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2010, 4:18am

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Biblmac

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Sorry for taking so long, Azulon'sAssassin, here is my tutorial:

1) Probably the most difficult to do of the two.

How to Fight Your own Clone
Difficulty Rating: 6.5/10

Before we get started
Vocab

Locked off camera: A camera that is completely static (not moving) normally due to the use of a tripod.

Let's get started shall we?
Part 1: Filming
Intro: This step is the most critical. I say this because this will literally "make or break" the effect. So pay very close attention to this step! There are more than one way to do this, I will be explaining what I feel will be the best in the end.

Quick Hint: Try wearing one thing for the first clone and another outfit for the second clone, this will make post easier.
Quick Hint 2: Try your best not to overlap the clones, don't let their paths cross, or let them touch. (This just makes editing later easier, however for some shots when fighting a clone, you have no other choice.)
Step 1 As I have said before, lock down your camera! Do not try any "shaky cam" things when working with clones as it will cause a huge pain in the butt in post!
Step 2 Shoot yourself facing off with no one, then cut.
Step 3 Shoot yourself facing off with no one again, but put yourself in a place that is facing where you were previously standing. Make sure to keep the camera in the same place as before!
Step 4 Cut to one of clone 1 running toward clone 2. (Optional)
Step 5 Cut to one of clone 2 running toward clone 1. (Optional)
Step 6 Now for the actual fighting, get as many shots as you can of you hitting your clone from an angle at which you can't tell if you are actually connecting or not.
Part of your filming questions unanswered? Send me a PM (private message) with the specific move you are trying to perform and I will give more detailed instructions.

Part 2: Editing
Intro: This step is just as crucial as the last, but if you completed the last step properly this one will be much easier (but more tedious).
Step 1 Ok, first off you need to get all your files to your computer, next bring them into Vision Lab (assuming you are using Vision Lab).
Step 2 The next thing you would need to do is put one layer over the other and use the mask tool to unviel the video underneath.
Step 3 Animate the mask as necessary for the entire shot.
Step 4 Repeat steps 1-3 for every clip.
Step 5 Once you "render" out your videos bring them back into Vlab for any effects, grading and any shaky cam you deem necessary.
Step 6 Render them all out and put them together in your NLE
Step 7 Add titles, credits, music, sound effects, and any last minute touch ups, and you are done! Congrats!

Have a wonderful day/night!

-Biblmac-

(Feel free to PM (private message) me if you need any further help.)
Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2010, 3:36pm

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Azulon'sAssassin

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WOW, Thanks! you're always so helpful! (not that no one else is.)
Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2010, 9:13pm

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Biblmac

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No problem Azulon'sAssassin. Your welcome.

Have a wonderful day/night!

-Biblmac-