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VGA game trailers! (Mass Effect 3, Uncharted 3, Batman etc)

Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2010, 6:27pm

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YEAH BABY! This week is just awesome. biggrin

Mass Effect 3

Uncharted 3

Batman Arkham City

Mod edit: I've compiled the big 3 VGA trailers into this one topic so that we don't get too spread around.
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Uncharted teaser was better. Mostly because it actually showed some gameplay, and the crazy awesome water effects. Still, my wallet is going to be hurting this time next year... ME2 is one of my all-time favorites.
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Well in that case, Aculag, you'll like this.

I agree with Uncharted 3's teaser being better due to gameplay, but I'm pretty much equally ecstatic about both of these titles. I mean, ME2 and U2 are my 2009 and 2010 GOTY, heh.
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While Uncharted 3 is the most technically impressive, assuming it's true that it's in-engine (though I doubt real-time), the Batman Arkham City trailer is my fave of the VGAs.

I've edited the first post so that this topic can be about general discussion of all the trailers.
Posted: Tue, 14th Dec 2010, 12:05pm

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Thanks, Tarn!

Pooky that link was awesome. A job at Naughty Dog would be awesome indeed. Just like you Pooky, U2 and ME2 are my GOTY for '09 and '10 respectively (can you imagine a grandmother trying to understand that sentence? xD). Can't wait for 2011 (and let's not forget Portal 2). It's going to be a legendary gaming year.

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Posted: Tue, 14th Dec 2010, 5:29pm

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Why do I keep forgetting Portal 2 is coming out? 2011 is going to be an amazing year for gaming.
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Deus Ex 3.

The Witcher 2.

It could well be the best year for gaming ever.

Also, if Valve don't announce Half Life 3 next year I'll eat my own ear.
Posted: Tue, 14th Dec 2010, 5:38pm

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Wait, wait, wait. So we have Uncharted 3, Mass Effect 3, Batman Arkham City, Portal 2, The Witcher 2, Deux Ex 3, The Old Republic, Rage, L.A. Noire, Diablo 3, Guild Wars 2, Crysis 2, Dragon Age 2, Brink, Gears of War 3, Call of Duty 8, another Assassin's Creed, a new Zelda, possibly Beyond Good & Evil 2, and even goddamn Duke Nukem Forever?!

Surely some of those are going to get pushed back, that is insane!
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Duke Nukem Forever? Heh, I'll believe it when I see it.

There's also Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, releasing next November as well. I'm going to need to take that whole month off.
Posted: Tue, 14th Dec 2010, 5:53pm

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Oh god I forgot that one... it'll have a new, hopefully less awful engine, too!

And Duke Nukem Forever is actually under new management now that the original company was fired, so it will actually truly come out this year (and it looks very 90s).
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Oh god I forgot that one... it'll have a new, hopefully less awful engine, too!
Yeah, I hope so. Even slight improvements over the Oblivion/Fallout 3 engine would be great. Just get rid of the horrible animations, and that annoying zoom in/center on characters to start dialogue... And the floaty walking, and buggy quests, and crashes... Seriously, though, I love the ES series. Oblivion was a great game, despite being far less interesting and unique than Morrowind. I'm sure I'll love Skyrim no matter what, but I'm hoping for more Morrowind/Shivering Isles, and less cliche European fantasy settings. But since it's going to be a sequel to Oblivion, I'm probably hoping for too much.

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And Duke Nukem Forever is actually under new management now that the original company was fired, so it will actually truly come out this year (and it looks very 90s).
I'm honestly surprised anyone cares anymore. It's at least 10 years too late. The only way it could possibly live up to the hype is either by being the greatest game ever made, or by being exceedingly shitty. I imagine it will end up being quite average. Not really looking forward to it at all.

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Also, if Valve don't announce Half Life 3 next year I'll eat my own ear.
Better get your fork and knife ready! wink I've been hoping to hear news about HL2: Episode 3, but at this point, HL3 seems much more likely. And based on L4D2 and the looks of Portal 2 so far, it'll be as much of a step forward from HL2 as HL2 was from HL1. Please, please, please, please!
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So we have Uncharted 3, Mass Effect 3, Batman Arkham City, Portal 2, The Old Republic, L.A. Noire, Guild Wars 2, Crysis 2, Dragon Age 2, another Assassin's Creed?!
Games I'll buy (with the possible exception of The Old Republic and Crysis 2). Jepp things aren't looking bright for my wallet. Better start saving now. (Seriously, after seeing that list I literally have started saving now).

Forget money, how will I find the time to play these? I wont see the sun next summer.
Posted: Tue, 14th Dec 2010, 7:25pm

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Aculag wrote:

Pooky wrote:

And Duke Nukem Forever is actually under new management now that the original company was fired, so it will actually truly come out this year (and it looks very 90s).
I'm honestly surprised anyone cares anymore. It's at least 10 years too late. The only way it could possibly live up to the hype is either by being the greatest game ever made, or by being exceedingly shitty. I imagine it will end up being quite average. Not really looking forward to it at all.
Well the demo that was shown recently started out with you pissing in a urinal in first person while saying one-liners. So I'm expecting it to be so bad it's good.
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Just watched the ME3 trailer (huge fan of ME).

Started of great and then....why oh why did they have to set it in modern day London?! That's the suspension of disbelief gone for me sad

Next thing they'll be showing flurescent-vested bobbies hitting up the reapers with a congestion charge.
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Started of great and then....why oh why did they have to set it in modern day London?! That's the suspension of disbelief gone for me sad
Yeah, I guess London is a pretty unrealistic setting. Giant alien floaty purple space station was much better. smile
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Started of great and then....why oh why did they have to set it in modern day London?! That's the suspension of disbelief gone for me sad
Would you rather it take place on "Generic Mass Effect Planet #24093" instead of Earth? It's a trailer showing that the new game allows you to return to Earth for the first time in the series. They had to show a recognizable landmark, or it could have been any planet at all.

If your suspension of disbelief doesn't allow you to believe that London could be the setting for a battle vs. aliens in the distant future, then it's not working correctly.
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why oh why did they have to set it in modern day London?
ME has always been honest about being "In the future" specifically Earth's future. To me I've always felt like I'm playing Star Trek: The Game if Kirk/Picard was a giant ass-kicking marine. Earth has been referenced several times in the two preceding games. I'm also pretty sure that there's a trope for when "shit gets serious" in sci-fi sequels "because now the fight is on 'OH NO!' Earth". Think Halo 2, and probably in the Avatar sequels. It was the reason I was surprised in Star Trek 2009 when Nero set a course for Earth. I was thinking: "Not gonna save that for the sequel, Abrams?".

Incidentally I think Bioware watched Star Trek 2009 before making this trailer. They did exactly what they did in Star Trek to San Fransisco, to London; known landmarks (Golden Gate, Big Ben, London Eye) + anonymous looking "futuristic" skyscrapers ripped off from the skyline of Coruscant. I think it works pretty well. It's not really 'unbelievable' at all (it's the most easy to swallow version of future Earth cities I've seen). I think you are confusing Mass Effect for a franchise set IN SPACE. Actually it's just like Star Trek set in a time where humans travel the Milky Way and get mixed up in interplanetary problems. If we didn't finally see Earth in Mass Effect 3, I would be disappointed.

BAH: Ninja'd by Aculag. Fortunately we had a different way of saying the same thing.
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Hm, yeah, it's not modern day London. Westminster and Big Ben are there, and the Eye, but otherwise it's all Future Buildings. Which seems fairly realistic, given how old Westminster already is. Barring terrorist attack or war, there's no reason for it to not still be there in Mass Effect's timeline.

As for Skyrim...the focus on the new engine is disguising the real problems with Bethesda's last two games: awful writing, awful animation, mostly awful level design. They're OK at designing large landscapes, but that's about it - and compared to Rockstar, Blizzard or Ubisoft Montreal they're not very good at that, either.

Morrowind is still one of my all-time favourites, though, so a return to form would be wonderful. Skyrim is where Nords are from, right? I played a Nord in Morrowind, so that could be cool. smile
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Aculag wrote:

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Started of great and then....why oh why did they have to set it in modern day London?! That's the suspension of disbelief gone for me sad
Would you rather it take place on "Generic Mass Effect Planet #24093" instead of Earth?
Yes! Games are all about escapism. They've created this massive, rich universe packed with history and lore. They can do anything they want. But they choose to set the next game (apparently) in dismal old London.

Put it this way - imagine if you found out that the next version of your favourite scifi game franchise was set in...your home town.

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It's a trailer showing that the new game allows you to return to Earth for the first time in the series. They had to show a recognizable landmark, or it could have been any planet at all.
Illium or one of the major homeworlds would have been more interesting.

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If your suspension of disbelief doesn't allow you to believe that London could be the setting for a battle vs. aliens in the distant future, then it's not working correctly.
It reminds me a little of all those dismal StarTrek episodes in which crew find themselves in some tricky situation in the holodeck. Don't get me wrong, I like StarTrek for the most part, but if you set a story in a future universe full of new potential and ideas, it cheapens the experience to have the crew running around 1850s London playing hammy Sherlock Holmes stories or spending their time in idealized versions of Irish villages.

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DannyFX wrote:

Put it this way - imagine if you found out that the next version of your favourite scifi game franchise was set in...your home town.
My all-time favourite sci-fi books, the Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinsn, at one point takes a detour from the colonisation and taming of Mars for a return trip to Earth. During this trip the character visits the submerged town of Faversham, in Kent, which is now completely flooded.

Having grown up in Faversham, it was hugely exciting to have this epic sci-fi novel suddenly refocus onto a smaller scale.

As for ME3...there's nothing to say that you'll get to actually explore London yourself. You might not even set foot on Earth - but if you do, it could be anywhere on the planet.

One of the major holes in the ME universe is the odd absence of Earth, given that the story's primary theme is humanity's place in the universe.
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Earth has been referenced several times in the two preceding games.
Only briefly in the codex and it's not made out to be a particularly pleasant place.

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I'm also pretty sure that there's a trope for when "poo gets serious" in sci-fi sequels "because now the fight is on 'OH NO!' Earth". Think Halo 2
Halo 2 was set (briefly) in a New Mombassa, a fictional African city that looked nothing like any contemporary city on Earth. And it made sense in that context not least because the underlying threat of the first game was that the Covenant must not find Earth.

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It was the reason I was surprised in Star Trek 2009 when Nero set a course for Earth. I was thinking: "Not gonna save that for the sequel, Abrams?".
Oh god that film was awful.

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Incidentally I think Bioware watched Star Trek 2009 before making this trailer. They did exactly what they did in Star Trek to San Fransisco, to London; known landmarks (Golden Gate, Big Ben, London Eye) + anonymous looking "futuristic" skyscrapers ripped off from the skyline of Coruscant. I think it works pretty well. It's not really 'unbelievable' at all (it's the most easy to swallow version of future Earth cities I've seen).
Except that in that case, San Francisco, home of StarFleet Academy has been baked into ST lore since the very beginning. It makes sense to set a major sequence there. And I did I mention that I hated StarTrek 2009?

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I think you are confusing Mass Effect for a franchise set IN SPACE. Actually it's just like Star Trek set in a time where humans travel the Milky Way and get mixed up in interplanetary problems. If we didn't finally see Earth in Mass Effect 3, I would be disappointed.
I disagree 100%! 'Mass Effect' refers to the science that makes interstellar travel possible in the near(ish) future.

The hero ship is a spacecraft that travels the galaxy via a network of mass relays, exploring other worlds for quests for resources.

The seat of government is a huge space station.

Most of the characters are aliens and the principle threat is from a force of alien machines from intergalactic space.

How is this franchise not 'set in space'?

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Hm, yeah, it's not modern day London. Westminster and Big Ben are there, and the Eye, but otherwise it's all Future Buildings. Which seems fairly realistic, given how old Westminster already is. Barring terrorist attack or war, there's no reason for it to not still be there in Mass Effect's timeline.
Well ME3 is a long way off so hopefully this trailer is not indicative of the plot in anyway.

I guess part of my reaction is my loathing for London. I know it all too well and have issues seeing it as the apparent focal point of one of my favourite franchises!
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To your question on how Mass Effect is not set IN SPACE, is because Earth and humans are major characters. To be set IN SPACE it has to be more like Avatar, Lord of the Rings, LOST, Star Wars, Firefly etc. What I mean by IN SPACE is that the characters are trapped in a different reality from us. In Star Trek and Mass Effect the characters can come and go from Earth as they please.

(And I know that Middle Earth is supposed to be on our Earth as is The Island. If any of you are thinking of pointing that out to me you still haven't understood my meaning of IN SPACE. Technically we are all are sitting "in space" right now.)

To Tarn: Edited. Didn't notice I was talking to an admin. redface (Not that I should talk like that to anyone.)

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Staff Only: watch your tone.

Also, welcome to the concept of differing opinions.

Danny doesn't like Star Trek 2009. That doesn't prevent you or anyone else from liking it. Don't be afraid. He's not a threat to your comfortable world of Star Trek 2009 fandom.

Somebody having a different opinion to yourself does not give you the right to call them a douche, tell them to shut up, or 'gtfo'.

If you can't post in a polite, friendly manner, I suggest refraining from posting until you're of a calmer state of mind.
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Understood and duly noted. Sorry Danny.
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Staff Only wrote:

To your question on how Mass Effect is not set IN SPACE, is because Earth and humans are major characters. To be set IN SPACE it has to be more like Avatar, Lord of the Rings, LOST, Star Wars, Firefly etc. What I mean by IN SPACE is that the characters are trapped in a different reality from us. In Star Trek and Mass Effect the characters can come and go from Earth as they please
I think you're referring to whether a story is in an 'alternative reality' or not. Hence LotR and Star Wars take place in an alternative reality with no ties to our reality.

Firefly, however, is set in our reality, just in the far future. So, to go by your definition, it isn't "IN SPACE!" They no longer have access to Earth, but that's for plot reasons rather than because it didn't exist.

Then you get 'magic door' alternate realities, such as Chronicles of Narnia, whereby it's an alternate universe but anchored to our own through a magic door - a wardrobe in the case of TLTWATW.

Mass Effect, as you point out, isn't an alternate universe tale, so visits to Earth are perfectly legitimate. However, whether a player has any interest in Earth is another matter - Danny clearly doesn't, which is fine.

Out of interest, which type of setting do you prefer? I've never been keen on magic door alternate realities - always seems like a bit of a cop-out. Fantasy for people that can't handle pure fantasy and need some kind of 'get out clause'.
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Out of interest, which type of setting do you prefer? I've never been keen on magic door alternate realities - always seems like a bit of a cop-out. Fantasy for people that can't handle pure fantasy and need some kind of 'get out clause'.
Lately I've been enjoying the Bartimaeus Series. I highly recommend it to everyone who enjoys fantasy that is clever, funny, intelligent, epic and tongue-in-cheek. It is set in an alternate history, present day London in most of the initial trilogy and in Jerusalem 950 B.C in the prequel that came out this year. The titular character Bartimaeus is a 5000-year old Djinn. In the Bartimaeus series Spirits (from least to most powerful: Imps, Foliots, Djinn, Afrits and Marids) from "The Other Place" are summoned to Earth by humans who know how (you don't need to be born with any 'magic' to do it, you just need to be trained), and are enslaved by "magicians" to do their own selfish bidding. Humans have no magic (they use spells to 'bind' the spirits to their will), but the Spirits can be very powerful. London is kind of what it would be if Voldemort had won in Harry Potter. Complete magician supremacy. The main character combines the best of the tropes The Combat Pragmatist and wise-cracking Anti-Hero. The human main character of the initial trilogy is an up-and-coming young, ambitious magician who is an anti-villain.

You should definitely check it out.

I find myself enjoying a lot that it is an alternate history and that it isn't in our world as Harry Potter is. However I am very fond of when writers try to imply that their story might be real in our world, only we can't perceive it for whatever reason (like Harry Potter, LOST, Indiana Jones, Fringe etc. although I'm happy Fringe isn't real).



About that post earlier I just feel I must clarify. I was completely out of line, and I got to feel a bit of the embarrassment Christian Bale felt that time when Tarn called me out and I re-read the post (fortunately I, unlike Bale, had an edit button to take it back). I’m genuinely sorry I attacked you personally, DannyFX, and there was nothing douche-y about your post. If it’s any excuse I have had very little sleep for the last 24 hours as I had my end of term math exam today. I had also been reading a big flame war on IMDb right before I wrote that. I hope you wont think of me as “that guy” forever.
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About that post earlier I just feel I must clarify. I was completely out of line, and I got to feel a bit of the embarrassment Christian Bale felt that time when Tarn called me out and I re-read the post (fortunately I, unlike Bale, had an edit button to take it back). I’m genuinely sorry I attacked you personally, DannyFX, and there was nothing douche-y about your post. If it’s any excuse I have had very little sleep for the last 24 hours as I had my end of term math exam today. I had also been reading a big flame war on IMDb right before I wrote that. I hope you wont think of me as “that guy” forever.
Hmm! I seemed to have missed some excitement here! Not quite sure what was said because I did not read your post before you presumably edited it.

You seem to be a bit confused yourself as to the story-telling genre that ME falls into.

"To be set IN SPACE it has to be more like Avatar, Lord of the Rings, LOST, Star Wars, Firefly etc"

LOTR? Ok now you've totally lost me. LOTR is about as far from a 'space' franchise that I can imagine! smile
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Uncharted looks fantastic. Shame it's PS3 only. Would love to play it. sad

The Mass Effect 3 trailer is cool and I'll certainly buy it despite the fact neither of the two Mass Effect games was able to hold my interested up to the end. But they certainly are interesting.

And the Batman game I look forward the most. Not because the Trailer was that awesome (allthough I really like it a lot) but because the first game was absolutey stunningly fantastic and one of the best games I ever played.
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That Batman trailer was REALLY awesome. I can't wait for games to actually look like that.
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That Batman trailer was REALLY awesome. I can't wait for games to actually look like that.
Won't be long I suspect - definitely the next generation of consoles anyway. I actually did a double take - I couldn't tell at first if it was CGI or live action!
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Yeah, there were a couple of shots near the start of the Batman trailer that were remarkably realistic. Amazing to think how far we've come since the Final Fantasy movie ~10 years ago - now we're getting CG of this level in trailers for computer games.

I think we're closer to this level of visuals in games that we might think. Combine the facial animation of LA Noire with the high fidelity of Uncharted and you're getting pretty close.

I expect there'll be some pioneering stuff on the PC in the next few years, before it filters down to the consoles either towards the end of this gen or in many years time when they refresh.
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My money's on games looking like that by 2015 smile
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Danny - of course, the content of this trailer means that ME3 could well start with "London has been utterly destroyed...now onto the rest of the story." So it could be your perfect game. wink
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Danny - of course, the content of this trailer means that ME3 could well start with "London has been utterly destroyed...now onto the rest of the story." So it could be your perfect game. wink
And Norwich becomes the capital! Again!

We can only hope!
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Only just gotten around to watching the trailers. Regarding Mass Effect;

I think that if you're taking away the message that Mass Effect 3 will be set in London, I think you're somewhat missing the point entirely. The message is that Earth is under attack - the zoom out on the planet clearly shows devastation in the other continents.

I think it more likely that Mass Effect 3 will involve several areas of earth. They probably would have used New York as the example if that hadn't already been done by absolutely everybody else on the planet.

And this all makes total sense in the Mass Effect storyline - that Shepherd is spearheading humanities involvement with the rest of the universe. The entire fight against alien threats has been, deep down, about safeguarding earth and mankind.

Right?
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

And this all makes total sense in the Mass Effect storyline - that Shepherd is spearheading humanities involvement with the rest of the universe. The entire fight against alien threats has been, deep down, about safeguarding earth and mankind.
You Cerberus lackey! wink

Given Shepherd has single-handedly thwarted two major, MAJOR Reaper plots, it does indeed make sense for them to target Earth. Not so much in 'revenge', but as a tactical move to destabilise Earth and reduce Shepherd's resources.
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Mortal Kombat Kratos Reveal Trailer

The company where I'm working did this trailer. It was really awesome to see this come together. And I was given a small but pretty cool role - I got to be the voice of Kratos! (Granted he doesn't have actual lines) But Sony approved me for doing his grunts and yells smile
Posted: Fri, 17th Dec 2010, 3:55pm

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Hehe, awesome! Do you get to do his grunts in the game too? smile

Frankly I reckon there should be an unlockable Easter Egg Chris Cowan character in the new game. I'd buy it then.
Posted: Fri, 17th Dec 2010, 8:55pm

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Haha nah unfortunately I'm sure they went with the actual voice actor for the in-game Kratos. I fully support the easter egg idea though. But I'd rather be the final boss in order for people to unlock me.
Posted: Fri, 17th Dec 2010, 11:23pm

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Let's start a facebook petition to get Chris in the game. That always works.
Posted: Sat, 18th Dec 2010, 12:52am

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Yes brothers! Let our voices let my voices be heard!
Posted: Mon, 20th Dec 2010, 10:45am

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Edit: Er, looks like a group is the wrong thing. So here's a public page!

We Want Chris Cowan in Mortal Kombat!

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Posted: Mon, 20th Dec 2010, 10:48am

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That sexy voice would be a reason to go buy that game. biggrin