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Posted: Wed, 16th Mar 2011, 11:28am

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"A trained soldier for hire receives his latest mission to rescue a scientist from a group of terrorists known only as K51. With time fast running out. He advances through the many guarded areas of the militant group in search of the elusive scientist. Failure is not an option."

Directed by Joby Stephens and Adam Kirley. Project One is a short action film shot back in 2003 and 2004 with zero budget. The short was premiered at the Florida International Film Festival 06.

I thought it was about time I uploaded the full nostalgia-tastic film for you all to see! Been 7 years to the day now since we shot the first few scenes of the film. Oh how I wish HD was around back then wink


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Posted: Wed, 16th Mar 2011, 5:48pm

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Great work all around, obviously, and I can give you a lengthier review when I'm done watching it, but a current comment/complaint - was the entire film shot in auto-exposure on the GL2? Because the luminance ramping whenever a black-clothed person comes into frame is sort of distracting. biggrin

Just a note! Will finish watching the film soon!
Posted: Thu, 17th Mar 2011, 1:00pm

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ben3308 wrote:

Great work all around, obviously, and I can give you a lengthier review when I'm done watching it, but a current comment/complaint - was the entire film shot in auto-exposure on the GL2? Because the luminance ramping whenever a black-clothed person comes into frame is sort of distracting. biggrin

Just a note! Will finish watching the film soon!
At times when we were filming we had to tripod mount and leave the camera to do it's thing to grab a shot, for the first half of the film back in 2003 it was pretty much the second time I'd used a video camera to shoot something... I have to admit yes, there were times we went auto-exposure as we had zero additional lighting for the first 7 mins of the film (after the scientist gets dragged through the woods the 2nd half of Project One was filmed over a year later, and we had a bit of lighting and grip stuff for that). Thanks for the note Ben wink
Posted: Fri, 18th Mar 2011, 10:55pm

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Finnally it is online! This movie is sick!
Posted: Mon, 28th Mar 2011, 6:58am

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I don't like to sound picky since I generally enjoyed it, but, I thought the sound (voices in particular) could do with some "beefing up" to suite the genre. Also I found the continuity a bit of a problem when the main guy is clearly wearing shoes early on but appears to have trainers on to climb the tower.

On the action scenes you managed (well I thought) to keep the effects down rather than overdoing it which seems to be the norm.
Posted: Tue, 29th Mar 2011, 3:53am

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Well, I’ll borrow a comment from Arnold Swarzeneggar when asked about Predator vs Commando and which he liked better. “One commando emerging from battle without a scratch against an army of trained soldiers is just unrealistic.”

MOD EDIT: Please stay on topic with feedback. Thanks.
Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2011, 1:22am

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I really enjoyed this movies... well down... I have not put any of mine online yet waiting for my new hd camera to arrive to start a new project..
Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2011, 10:14am

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Steve Sharkey wrote:

I don't like to sound picky since I generally enjoyed it, but, I thought the sound (voices in particular) could do with some "beefing up" to suite the genre. Also I found the continuity a bit of a problem when the main guy is clearly wearing shoes early on but appears to have trainers on to climb the tower.

On the action scenes you managed (well I thought) to keep the effects down rather than overdoing it which seems to be the norm.
Thanks for the comments smile

Nearly all of the sound effects and voices were done by me putting on different voices and sound effects (squelches etc for the bloodhits and many 'dying' noises). Nearly 100% of the sound you hear has been done in post, which all those years ago was the first time we'd ever done anything like that.

As for Shadow changing his shoes before he climbs the tower... wow.. You have a close attention to detail, the main terrorist changes actor three times as well throughout the film, I had to find friends who had similar eyes but I had never noticed the shoes wink I'm not an effects driven person and prefer to keep things simple and effective so that might explain not even trying to go crazy with explosions.
Posted: Tue, 5th Apr 2011, 1:44am

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Excellent work, congratulations, very good cameras, very good post production, and director's work
Posted: Sat, 9th Apr 2011, 3:35am

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Are you serious? My comment couldn't be more on point! Plainly put, this submission is unrealistic! Even Rambo isn't that good. Don't expect audiences to buy into it.
Posted: Sat, 9th Apr 2011, 3:47am

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Suspension of disbelief. We watch movies to vicariously experience the impossible. Duh.

Moviewatching 101.
Posted: Sat, 9th Apr 2011, 6:34am

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You mean, there's also no zombies, no aliens, no star ships, no time travel and superman can't actually fly? Damn.

This is good fun stuff joby! I still have my DVD of Project One on the shelf, together with a few other indie flicks. cool
Posted: Sat, 9th Apr 2011, 5:18pm

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FXhomer32915 wrote:

Are you serious? My comment couldn't be more on point! Plainly put, this submission is unrealistic! Even Rambo isn't that good. Don't expect audiences to buy into it.
Yeah, I think if realism is your thing, you're probably not in the right place.
Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2011, 3:41am

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Plausible is the key, guys. It has to at least be plausible. I said unrealistic as in absolutely impossible and bordering on insulting to audiences. If you don't understand the differnce, there's not much danger of your doing any damage in Hollywood. Check out the special features on the special edition of Avatar. They explain just what I said in my response. The NAVI don't exist, but are made plausible so the viewers buy into it. 23 year-old scientists and special forces soldiers are not so easy to sell to today's audiences. Solthar, I'm surprised at your response. You, of all of the members here, seemed to know what filmmaking and storytelling are all about. This is apparently not supposed to be a forum for rating movies, but a forum for judging and rating other members' opinions you don't agree with. I am a professional in the entertainment business, specifically television and motion pictures. I make a living doing this and I'm offering guidance to any members who wish to make a living at it too. I am, however, finding that not only are 95 percent of the members here unable to take constructive criticism, they all already seem to know everything and aren't interested in any help. Everybody seems to be rating based on not hurting the "producers'" feelings, which is fine for amateurs, but the powers that be in Hollywood will be far more vicious than you've ever thought I was. I'm simply preparing them for that and trying to spare them that heartache. At least I will continue to guide and help. They will not look past the first submission and will disregard anything attached to your name from that point forward. It's called being "blackballed!" Hollywood is a business with only room for professionals, not those who think they're going to blow everyone else out of the water with their version of Star Wars they filmed in their back yard or highly-trained 17 year-old soldiers on a top secret mission to rescue the world's smartest scientist, who's all of 23 himself, yada, yada, yada. It's unrealistic and will not sell seats in a theater, which is the name of the game, guys. It's not about you becoming famous. It's all about renting seats and selling sugar! Period! I've read most of the opinions and don't agree with many of them, but you all have a right to your opinion, whether I agree with them or not. Why don't I have that same right? If I have to praise any and every "producer" regardless of the quality of their work, then this forum isn't worth the time it takes to log on. When this particular movie was posted, there were NO opinions posted for it, yet it already had a 5-star rating! It's not too difficult to figure out how that happened, is it? If you guys want to sit around stroking each other just because you want to spare someone's feelings, that's your business and I give you the respect you deserve. I'm a film professional and I don't praise substandard work so, to answer someone else's comment, if honest and professional criticism is going to make you cry, YOU are the one in the wrong business. I've never said a word about any of the opinions posted, yet nearly every one of my posts has been criticized and put down just because you don't agree with my views and advice. You don't have to agree with me and it doesn't bother me that you don't agree, but give me the right to have the opinion as I do you. Your style is positive encouragement through praise and that's fine. I have no problem with that, but for those who are interested in a career in film, I'm trying to 1) put their feet on the ground and present the truth about Hollywood and filmmaking 2) lay out a no nonsense list of precisely what it takes to get your work noticed by people who matter and 3) offer some advice on how the entertainment world views amateurs, especially indies. If you don't want the advice, don't take it, but stop berating me for offering it. I’m a paying customer and owner of several FXHome products and have every right to my opinion just as you do.
Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2011, 4:55am

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FXhomer32915 wrote:

Plausible is the key, guys.
The NAVI don't exist, but are made plausible so the viewers buy into it.
Out of literally thousands upon thousands of movies to use as reference, you chose Avatar. This is just fantastic. You literally never cease to amaze.

Thanks for telling it like it is and enlightening us to what is key, bro!

and present the truth about Hollywood and filmmaking
Last time I checked, theory taught in Houston isn't real-life experience in Los Angeles. But maybe I'm missing something. wink Also

FXhomer32915 wrote:

It's called being "blackballed!" Hollywood is a business with only room for professionals, not those who think they're going to blow everyone else out of the water with their version of Star Wars they filmed in their back yard or highly-trained 17 year-old soldiers on a top secret mission to rescue the world's smartest scientist, who's all of 23 himself, yada, yada, yada.
I probably shouldn't say much about this for my own sake, and it's certainly an exception to the rule and more 'Atom praise' most wouldn't want to hear- but...

Ironically enough, my 21-year-old self, having shot a little parody in our backyard for fun with my friends, have had Hollywood call my way- and am in talks with a few things/people because of it. Hollywood is a business, and one of professionals. But the term 'professional' is also incredibly broad. Getting paid makes you professional- the measure of quality, tact, ability, pretenses, or backstory past that are really rather irrelevant.

Maybe it's because I've got a shot at something based on work I wouldn't consider more than a fun project, maybe it's because I'm an optimist- or maybe it's because I believe in the promise to young filmmakers that with practice and passion- you can make it- but I have to tell you:

You're wrong. This isn't opinion, this isn't a place where we're all entitled to whatnot and whoever- this is forum for discussion and improvement. And as you decidedly never want to offer anything but admonishing anger and cynicism, I've no idea why you're so perplexed that no ones agrees with (or likes) you.

I certainly don't, and I've no tolerance for loud negative, mean-spirited, dream-crushing, wrong voices or 'opinions'. And neither do most people here. The fact that you're a 'paying customer' of the company that runs this website has nothing to do with your entitlement here. Anyone can create an account and anyone can post their work. Nothing or anyone is required except for the effort to do so. FXhome may have grown into a largely and more economically-driven (as they should be) company, but this is still very much a community.

This isn't the Sony or Panasonic or Canon help/user-content forums. This is a unique and inviting community of people. Special effects might be inclusive, but they're definitely not required. Just as polite attitudes are inclusive, but not required to post here.

That being said, don't expect anyone to respect anything you say when you take a clinical, cold, and entitled stance on your ability and right to post here.

You have no more right than anyone else, and less (at least integrity-wise) the more you continually disparage and disillusion people.

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Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2011, 5:05am

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FXhomer32915 wrote:

Usual rant
The most precious thing about this rant is the fact that er-no is actually further along than you in terms of 'actual industry experience', yet your tone would suggest otherwise. I guess it's kinda cute in a way...like a kid dressing up in daddy's clothes. biggrin

Also, I implore you to look through this. It may help your writing.
Posted: Mon, 11th Apr 2011, 8:35am

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FXhomer32915 wrote:

Plausible is the key, guys. It has to at least be plausible. I said unrealistic as in absolutely impossible and bordering on insulting to audiences. If you don't understand the differnce, there's not much danger of your doing any damage in Hollywood.
1. The director of this movie now has his own production company and studio and works regularly on Hollywood movies, most recently the new Pirates of the Caribbean.

2. The main actor in this is a professional stuntman. You might have seen him in Sahara, Batman Begins, Indiana Jones 4, Casino Royale, Munich...oh, it's probably quicker to just look here: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1245015/

3. The kidnapped scientist is now a professional visual effects artist working in London. You might have seen his work in Scott Pilgrim, Robin Hood, Prince of Persia etc. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3045752/

Project One itself didn't get them in the door, but it did give them all valuable experience at a crucial point in their careers.

I am, however, finding that not only are 95 percent of the members here unable to take constructive criticism, they all already seem to know everything and aren't interested in any help.
This is absolutely untrue. People disagreeing with some of what you say, or the way you say it, is not the same as people being unable to take constructive criticism. I would also question whether constantly linking all your criticism to "being successful in Hollywood" is particularly constructive, given that a large number of people here have no interest whatsoever in Hollywood.

I've read most of the opinions and don't agree with many of them, but you all have a right to your opinion, whether I agree with them or not. Why don't I have that same right?
You do have that right. Hence your opinions in this topic and elsewhere. But by that same token, people also have the right to voice an opinion on your opinion. That's how discussion works.

If you guys want to sit around stroking each other just because you want to spare someone's feelings, that's your business and I give you the respect you deserve.
As mentioned, most of those involved in this film already have very, very successful careers in the film industry. They've heard it all before and can take any criticism you throw at them.

I've never said a word about any of the opinions posted,
That's your choice, though. You're more than welcome to do so.

yet nearly every one of my posts has been criticized and put down just because you don't agree with my views and advice. You don't have to agree with me and it doesn't bother me that you don't agree, but give me the right to have the opinion as I do you.
As has been mentioned, you do have the right to have an opinion. But that opinion doesn't exist in some isolated bubble, immune from further debate. If you post something on a public forum, expect public responses. Simple as that.

I’m a paying customer and owner of several FXHome products and have every right to my opinion just as you do.
Well said.

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Posted: Mon, 11th Apr 2011, 8:38am

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This is not merely a community for professionals, nor is it the place to experience the full heat of the 'actual' Hollywood system. This is a forum and a cinema that is for amateurs, primarily. Most of the filmmakers on here started as inexperienced teenagers (myself included), who were taking their first steps into filmmaking. The only reason we're still here, other than Fxhome's continuing track-record of great products, is that we can consistently find both praise and criticism here. Had we been bombarded by more comments like yours, we might not have continued in our endeavours.

If you're looking for 'professional'-grade films, what on Earth are you doing here? A sizeable chunk of the archives here are made up of nothing more than FX tests.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but you need to learn to express it in a more measured and constructive way. No one cares that you're 'doing us a favour' by 'exposing us to the cold truth of Hollywood'. You're dealing with teenagers...and I'm sure we can all remember how to-heart we would have taken such comments when we were teenagers. Not just that, but the vast majority of the forum-users on here adopt the constructive and appropriate tone I'm talking about.

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Solthar, I'm surprised at your response. You, of all of the members here, seemed to know what filmmaking and storytelling are all about.
Heh, sorry to disappoint. I guess my storytelling and filmmaking abilities aren't what they used to be anymore. biggrin

I get what you're saying, but sometimes I really have the impression you're completely missing what the world around you is all about. This is just a fun little film made by friends to experiment with a few shots, equipment, techniques, stunts and mainly, have some FUN together.
The film was not aimed to be sold to anyone, was not aimed to run in a cinema and was not supposed to get anyone into hollywood.

You didn't find it believable. That's fine. This isn't for you, that's also fine. I didn't find Avatar believable myself. And yet, the film got made and even made some money. Crazy, right?

You seem to make a habit out of treating your own personal opinion as factual and the only truth. You don't like it. Your free to do so. Other people like it, they're free to do so as well.
I've no doubt people could learn something from you, but I've also no doubt you could learn something from us if you would really read the responses here and think about them.
Posted: Mon, 11th Apr 2011, 10:22am

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I really don't share your sentiments or agree with anything you are saying Fxhomer32915. You go and make a short action film for £120 on a par with Project One and we can compare. I'm not saying Project One is perfect, far from it, I'd love to have some top money to do it again with Adam and co.

The industry and the internet has come an unbelievable way forward in supporting and helping young film-makers make their shorts in recent years, the internet is now a cradle for it all and back then it was difficult to upload any sort of video.

Thanks for all the comments guys, I would have preferred this thread to be about Project One as a short action film that was made many years ago and is 'different' to the rest of films that were made during that time, it certainly was well received when first made and it wouldn't have been possible or been made without the community at fxhome..

As most of you know, Project One was about as shoe-string and no budget as you can get, we filmed what we could and however we could, begging and borrowing along the way. I also believe James Cameron has seen it after giving Adam Kirley a tour of the studio when they were shooting Avatar - and guess what, he liked it. "WINNER" (/sheen)

I'm pleased FXhomer32915 has shown me the way and helped me get my feet on the floor for the industry I'm hoping to enter wink I mean, only last week Sam Worthington was driving me and my co-worker around Shepperton in a golf buggy before he decided to crash it into some scaffolding and shout 'call that a stunt!'. Obviously I'm not there yet, and as I sit and look at my Pirates of the Caribean 4 premiere tickets I will think, 'Damn. Project One just wasn't plausible'.
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I don't think I've commented on "Project One" yet, and I will admit, that when I first got here, and saw what I did of project one, (at the time I think all that was in the Cinema was a trailer or something,) it was the one short I wanted to see more than any other, at the time. With that said, it definitely lived up to my expectations. Yes, it wasn't perfect, but it was still really good! (Not the most plausible thing, but who cares, right?) Anyway, just wanted to say a big, "NICE JOB" to er-no for doing such a great job on this so long ago. Watching it over and over to find criticism now would seem rather pointless to me, as you have already come so far. So I'll enjoy it for what it is, a great short, made some time ago. Very nicely done er-no.

About Fxhomer32915, I think er-no, sollthar, and tarn said it best. I feel I should reiterate some points...

1) Filmmaking should always be about fun. If you're not having fun, why do it?
2) Everyone has a right to their opinion, but as tarn said, if you put it on a public forum, expect a public response.
3) As everyone has said since you got here, show us some work so we know what you're capable of, and that you're judgement/criticism should be taken seriously, and maybe we'll change our opinions of you.

er-no wrote:

You go and make a short action film for £120 on a par with Project One and we can compare. I'm not saying Project One is perfect, far from it, I'd love to have some top money to do it again with Adam and co.
Seconded.
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Hi, I've used this program as a test only. But my friends and I are launching a movie about a local officer and an FBI agent joining forces to catch a psychopathic killer. It'll be cool if I learn how to use it, and I was hoping a user with the experience to make a movie such as Project One could help me understand the basics of this film editing.

- The image on this movie looks extremely clear. Is that expensive camera equipment you're using?
- What's to be said about the location? You seem to have a venue that is believably foreign. You don't simply use your house or neighborhood as a location. Is that kind of venue nearby?
- The sound is great, I could understand what people were saying and that helped me understand the story. How did you come by that? How come the sound didn't have any windy extraneousness in the background? My videos usually have that problem and it kills most of the realism.
- I've found that when incorporating muzzle flashes, if the shooter is far away from the camera, its extremely hard to show a gun flash. The flash is either too small to be noticed or else its too big to be real. Is that a problem you found when using this program? For that reason are you purposefully up close to the shooter all the time?
- For your camera angles why did you film what you did? Was it just something you thought looked good as you went along? Did you map out exactly what you wanted to capture to tell the story? Have you had training?

Well thats a mouthful. If any experienced user could answer those for me. I'd appreciate it very much. Thanks for giving everyone such a great example to follow, it was such a good movie that kept my interest and really had a great personality to it.
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Hey, I', trying to make a short like this. Can you give me some tips as to where you got your equipment?
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7 years and still an awesome movie.
You must be proud and thanks for putting back up again for us all to enjoy.
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eg66633 wrote:

Hey, I', trying to make a short like this. Can you give me some tips as to where you got your equipment?
I sourced the equipment from all over the UK, driving to army surplus stores and shops, making many phone calls and being donated a lot of it. The replicas I still have, quite a few of them are from the industry and the rest are now props in my studio.