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Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2011, 3:36am

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Just Wondering If Anyone Was Related To Any Famous People, I am Related To Robert Pittack On My Mothers Side. He Is A Famous Directer Of Photography In Early Television See His List Of Credits Here. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0685876/ Most Famous For The Lone Ranger.He Was Cousin To My Grandmother Whos Maiden Name Was Pittack. It Is Also Said We Are Related To Silent Film Star Wanda Hawley And Rumored We Are Related To Charlie Chaplin ( Not Proven) So That Is My History Of Famous People In Our Family. I Look Forward To Hearing About Anyone Else.
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I'm related to Bill Murray on my mom's side. He was telling me about the next Wes Anderson film he's going to be in. He's taking his kids up to New York over the summer and they'll be in it too. He's living in Charleston at the moment.
Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2011, 5:32am

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doppelganger wrote:

I'm related to Bill Murray on my mom's side.
I'm seriously jealous. I'm going to imagine him as your uncle, because he would be the single greatest uncle ever.

But no, I have no famous relatives.
Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2011, 5:32pm

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It was said that I may have some link to Arnold Schwarzenegger because his wife and my mom have the same maiden name, but I doubt there is any connection at all.
Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2011, 5:34pm

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My great-grandmother was a Kennedy.
Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2011, 6:37pm

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Now Ben, don't be so modest. Aren't you also closely related to one of the world's greatest filmmakers?
Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2011, 8:23pm

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Thrawn wrote:

doppelganger wrote:

I'm related to Bill Murray on my mom's side.
I'm seriously jealous. I'm going to imagine him as your uncle, because he would be the single greatest uncle ever.
I'm bullsh!tting you. He would be the greatest though haha. Everything else I said was true though... aside from the related thing.
Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2011, 2:16pm

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i am not related because the maiden name is the same. my grandmother told me herself that he was her cousin. i never heard of him before that and my grandmother was not a person who lied. the wanda hawley relation is a fact that she was related to robert pittack and the charlie chaplin rumor was something that robert claimed at one point. my grandmother talked to clayton moore about robert but he didn't remember him. i don't think the actors and crew took the time to know each other back in those days.
Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2011, 2:23pm

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ben3308 wrote:

My great-grandmother was a Kennedy.
i have a uncle on my step fathers side who knew the kennedy's quite well
he lived next to them as well as being a friend. i have a picture of him with kennedy in the white house i believe but not sure.
Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2011, 3:15pm

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My family and I are friendly with presidential candidate Mike Huckabee. Does that count?
Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2011, 3:39pm

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Hmmm....well I have a few. Eric the Red (look him up), Helen of troy (No joke!), and...some royalty in scotland and Germany. I have no idea who they are.
Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2011, 5:01pm

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Azulon'sAssassin wrote:

Hmmm....well I have a few. Eric the Red (look him up), Helen of troy (No joke!), and...some royalty in scotland and Germany. I have no idea who they are.
Uhm.. Helen of Troy? As in, the daughter of Zeus, and very much a mythical figure? Think you might have your wires crossed there, my boy! Unless, of course, you are actually related to Zeus, in which case - please don't smite me with a thunderbolt for questioning your integrity! wink

Personally though, I don't think I'm related to anyone of international significance (mythical or otherwise wink).

Cheers,
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Helen of Troy was not a daughter of Zeus, she was an actual historical figure. Are you thinking of Athena?

EDIT: I should also clarify that at the level of history we're talking, there is a mythological overlap, but Hellenes is a root of Helen of Troy, and a biological Greek matriarch in antiquity.

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Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2011, 5:30pm

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Apparently I have John Wilkes somewhere in my ancestry - yeah, a dude with a statue! And a noteworthy member of the Hellfire Club ("Do what thoug wilt") - and managed to get expelled from a club whose only rule was 'do as you please'?!

Wilkes was a notorious rake who became involved with Sir Francis Dashwood and the Medmenham Abbey scandals: he was a member of the Hell-Fire Club that met in the ruins of St. Mary's Abbey at Medmenham for 'tasteful' orgies in 'romantic' surroundings of the ruined abbey. The Hell Fire Club had thirteen members including Dashwood, Wilkes, the Earl of Bute, Thomas Potter (who was the son of Archbishop of Canterbury) and the Earl of Sandwich.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/StatueOfJohnWilkes.jpg
Some things just run in the family, I guess wink
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Helen of Troy is a mythological figure, so you must have some interesting genes AA.

I am apparently related to Major General Sir Ernest Dunlop Swinton, who was influential in the development of the tank, and also apparently to Tilda Swinton, but I'm not sure exactly how.
Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2011, 7:02pm

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swintonmaximilian wrote:

I am apparently related to Major General Sir Ernest Dunlop Swinton, who was influential in the development of the tank, and also apparently to Tilda Swinton, but I'm not sure exactly how.
I read this: "I am apparently related to Major General Sir Ernest Dunlop Swinton, who was influential in the development of the tank, and also of Tilda Swinton."

Much funnier that way! biggrin
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Yeah that is better, I'll give you that. This has made me want to research my ancestry now, but not enough to pay to do it.
Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2011, 9:41pm

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As Ben said, our great-grandmother, who we were very close to and visited often until her passing a few years ago, was a Kennedy 'Kennedy'.

Can't think of many others, other than that our great uncle was the American transport tycoon J.B. Hunt. But many may not know who that is/of the company.
Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2011, 8:21am

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I'm a descendent of Charlemagne. He was pretty big in his day.

Noone more recent though.
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My great uncle invented Bubble Wrap. You're welcome.
Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2011, 10:19pm

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My great uncle invented Bubble Wrap. You're welcome.
OHMYGOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDD THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!! Seriously. I LOVE popping bubblewrap. Who doesn't?!
Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2011, 10:22pm

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swintonmaximilian wrote:

Helen of Troy is a mythological figure, so you must have some interesting genes AA.
I think you're thinking of a goddess. Yes, of course there is some mythology behind that whole story, but she was a real person. (However, I'm not exactly sure how much of the Trojen war is true or how much of it was actually fought over her.)
Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2011, 10:29pm

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Very little. I'm pretty sure the Greeks were just looking for an excuse to attack Troy, since they had control over various trade routes into the Middle East or whatever.

I'm very, very distantly related to Herman Melville. I think.
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011, 2:58am

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Well, Greeks do love to fight, but you're probably right. Still, she did live. Oh and the people some of hall are related to...wow!
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011, 7:36pm

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Azulon- do you have a family tree that shows the path to Helen? I'm very intrigued- i've nevere heard of anyone able to trace their history that far back and actually pinpoint it. A lot of people's history goes as far back as the middle ages and some who have nobility can trace it to the Normans and some Saxons. I've also heard that something like a quarter of Europe has Charlemagne as a relative in some manner- either he was a randy bugger or his family spread a very long distance. That's very cool Daniel that you have that in your heritage i think biggrin
Like i said- if you can back it up Azulon that is an amazing thing- i know that you can analyse blood samples to trace which culture/continent you have come from but i didn't know you you could go that far back!

As far as famous people go i don't have anyone as far as i know in my history- my dad's side has a lot of soldiers and highwaymen but i think most were of relatively low rank and wouldn't be classed as famous. I've barely met anyone famous even- once saw Lionel Blair in pantomime and Daniel Radcliffe with his tallywacker out in Equus but that's as far as it goes. biggrin
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Azulon- do you have a family tree that shows the path to Helen? I'm very intrigued- i've nevere heard of anyone able to trace their history that far back and actually pinpoint it.
Yeah, that's because it can't be done. Anyone who claims that they have traced their heritage back that far is either lying, or exaggerating, or speculating. Especially when it comes to major figures like Helen of Troy or King David or something. Genealogy is a tough business, especially going that far back. I doubt many people can trace theirs back much further than the 1100s or so, unless they are royalty. There are too many variables to be able to get an accurate idea that far back.

I'm supposedly related to Patrick Henry, an historical figure from the Revolutionary War, famous for saying "Give me liberty, or give me death". But I've never seen any solid proof of that. A genealogist went through our family history maybe two decades ago, but it only went back a few hundred years, and it's spotty even that far back.
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Now, Aculag is correct. It's not possible to trace back that far. This may or may not seem like proof, but...this is how we know. (key word: know) My grandmother is literally from the same town (village whatever you want to call it) and both she and my mother look like clones of her. Not identical twins, CLONES! If that isn't proof to you, PM me. I've got more. (just don't have time to type it now. I have to do my homework. And no that's not any kind of excuse.)
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Azulon's Assassin wrote:

both she and my mother look like clones of her. Not identical twins, CLONES!
There are two ways you could possibly make this claim. One, there are pictures of her (which there probably aren't, or someone would have sold them for a buttload of money) or someone who knew her is still alive, which is totally likely.
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Azulon'sAssassin wrote:

Now, Aculag is correct. It's not possible to trace back that far. This may or may not seem like proof, but...this is how we know. (key word: know) My grandmother is literally from the same town (village whatever you want to call it) and both she and my mother look like clones of her. Not identical twins, CLONES! If that isn't proof to you, PM me. I've got more. (just don't have time to type it now. I have to do my homework. And no that's not any kind of excuse.)
Your father is also Glenn Beck correct? You've inherited a lot of traits from him you have.
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011, 10:23pm

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Azulon'sAssassin wrote:

Now, Aculag is correct. It's not possible to trace back that far. This may or may not seem like proof, but...this is how we know. (key word: know) My grandmother is literally from the same town (village whatever you want to call it) and both she and my mother look like clones of her. Not identical twins, CLONES! If that isn't proof to you, PM me. I've got more.)
This shouldn't be proof to anyone, because no one knows what Helen of Troy looked like. There are artistic representations, of course, but you can say the same about Jesus, and Cleopatra, and so on.

This is highly reminiscent of the last time you tried to offer proof of something with nothing but anecdotal evidence and outlandish claims. Belief does not necessarily equal truth. So I guess what I'm saying is, you should just post your proof instead of having people PM you for it, because I'm sure we'll get a kick out of it. Better yet, post some pics of your mom. wink
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doppelganger wrote:

Your father is also Glenn Beck correct? You've inherited a lot of traits from him you have.
Please explain that to me...

And, no offense Aculag, but I really wish you wouldn't bring that up. Anyway, the ancient Greeks (she was Greek) are VERY well known for the realism in thier art, so the way the statues/ sculptures represent her are probably 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% correct. (Mabey they forgot a slight wrinkle) And please don't try to tell me that's not true. I've been to Greece. I'm mostly Greek. My Grandfather is entirley Greek.

Oh, and as a side note, Jesus most likely looked like this, based on where he's from: Short dark hair, dark skin, basically any given Muslim or Jewish man.
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ben3308 wrote:

Helen of Troy was not a daughter of Zeus, she was an actual historical figure. Are you thinking of Athena?

EDIT: I should also clarify that at the level of history we're talking, there is a mythological overlap, but Hellenes is a root of Helen of Troy, and a biological Greek matriarch in antiquity.
Helen of Troy and Hellen aren't the same character. In fact Hellen, the patriarch of the Hellenes, was a man, not a woman. Though both claim Zeus as their father. There is no direct evidence to prove that Helen actually existed, afaik, but since a fair number of the other characters involved in the Trojan War, and the war itself, are indeed very real, its generally believed that Helen was a real person as well.

I'm not an expert on the subject, but I have researched the Trojan War a bit in the past.

I'm confused by the statement that these women look like clones, not identical twins, but clones, of Helen. Is a clone more or less identical than an Identical twin, which would be, by definition, identical? Also, which statue/painting/depiction of Helen are they identical to? And when was it created?
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Well, yes I guess clones and identical twins would be.mostly the same. And about the statues, ill post a few when I get the chance, but almost every one I've seen looks just like mom, including this one 8 saw in a museum in Greece. Obviously, I got a veiw of the entire figure an it was identical to my mom. I see.where you're all coming from, but let's face it... I'm gonna know much more about my family and its history than anyone here does. That's just logical facts. So ill get pictures of those statues whenever I get the chance. (Im typing from my phone right now.) Oh and really, can someone explain the Glen Beck comment? I hope I'm not.being called insane, again, just for knowing my family history...
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Azulon'sAssassin wrote:

I'm gonna know much more about my family and its history than anyone here does. That's just logical facts. So ill get pictures of those statues whenever I get the chance. (Im typing from my phone right now.)
We're not debating family history. We're debating history history. Archeology, architecture, art, records. The family thing simply doesn't matter. And we all know what the statues look like. Pictures of them won't help your case.
Besides this, the statues are fairly generic representations. I don't think the Greeks used models to make their statues, so they would just use the generic person. (Hellenic art especially; Hellenistic art was somewhat more detailed.) Not to mention, there was no color, so no emphasis. So really, a physical similarity could be drawn for almost anyone. Now that I think about it, I look kind of like Michelangelo's David (yes, I know he wasn't Greek). So do my brothers and several of my friends at school.

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Oh and really, can someone explain the Glen Beck comment? I hope I'm not.being called insane, again, just for knowing my family history...
I think it's a humorous reference to the shaky evidence and the hyperbole you tend to use. Not sure cause I don't listen to Beck.

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And no that's not any kind of excuse.
Sounds like a Suspiciously Specific Denial to me.
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Azulon'sAssassin wrote:

And, no offense Aculag, but I really wish you wouldn't bring that up. Anyway, the ancient Greeks (she was Greek) are VERY well known for the realism in thier art, so the way the statues/ sculptures represent her are probably 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% correct.
Any statue would have been created long after her death (if she even existed,) and therefore, modeled by a young woman who is NOT Helen of Troy, and likely just someone living in the same area, or even the same home as the artist. If your Greek grandmother resembles a statue of a Greek woman, that probably just means she's Greek.

Like I said earlier, there are artistic representations of a lot of figures from the past, both fictional and non-fictional, but that doesn't mean the likeness is anything close to what that person actually looked like.

If your mom resembled that famous statue of Aphrodite, would you think that you could trace your lineage to Zeus?

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Ok, let's drop this before we start fighting AGAIN. We'll all just know what we know, think what we think, and drink the flavor of lemonade that we drink, and get back on topic. I now worship Serpent because a relative of his invented buble rap. Also, does this cout? My grandfather is sort of famous in Greece. He and my grandmother went to movies/plays with the king and queen (I'm not even sure there are any anymore) and there is a street, Johnn Demetrakopoulos Ave., named after him. other than those people...I'm really not sure.
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It's a bit like saying you are related to King Arthur, a mythical character who might possibly have a basis in historical fact, but is far more likely to be an amalgamation of a number of historical and mythical figures.

Helen of Troy is a fictional character, the Trojan war is not a definite historical event. You can not be related to Helen of Troy.

Also, the Greeks had a model of beauty, which is why their statues all look a certain way, every culture has this. The aim was to represent these figures as beautiful beings, not as accurately as possible.
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Just as a point of interest, I discovered this week that there was strong evidence that greek marble statues were originally strongly daubed in water-based pigments, not always the ghostly white images we see today!
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pdrg wrote:

Just as a point of interest, I discovered this week that there was strong evidence that greek marble statues were originally strongly daubed in water-based pigments, not always the ghostly white images we see today!
You learn something new everyday. Also, I there's a video by National Geograpfic called "The True Story of Troy." It's very interesting. But really people let's just drop the subject. (Though pdrg's little add-in was quite interesting.)
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Azulon'sAssassin, you're in a bit of a muddle about your sculpture...

Greek statues are known for being anatomically accurate (especially compared to earlier sculpture) but when it comes to likeness they are far from accurate. Greek sculpture portrayed people in their ideal form, removing anything which wasn't perfect, whereas later Roman sculpture was far more about creating an accurate likeness.

Furthermore, given that Helen of Troy is a mythical figure (and there is no actual evidence that she ever existed) there are no sculptures in existence which show an accurate likeness... smile
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pdrg wrote:

Just as a point of interest, I discovered this week that there was strong evidence that greek marble statues were originally strongly daubed in water-based pigments, not always the ghostly white images we see today!
They also did this with a lot of buildings too i believe- i saw a documentary about the Parthenon which historians now believe had painted blue columns and golden gilt around them- surprising when you see them now- it must have been an amazing sight back in the day.
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I think we'll all just haveto agree to disagree. And picturing the parthanon with the blue columns and the gold...WOW! That must have been amazingly beutiful.
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Aculag wrote:

If your mom resembled that famous statue of Aphrodite, would you think that you could trace your lineage to Zeus?
That would be awesome!! (Sorry for the distraction)

My father (who's British and currently lives in London) told me that if you go far back enough we are somehow related to the royal family. In response I told him he's a lying dipsh.it.
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Go back far enough, and we're all related.

Just think about that, next time you're on a date with someone. You're related. wink
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Indeed, and technically if you go back even further you're related to your own pet or this llama. Not fictional characters, though.
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Why on earth is there a photo of an 'upset llama' on a website about dog breeds?
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Why is there a photo of an upset llama on a FX software website? smile
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Arktic wrote:

Go back far enough, and we're all related.
We are all made of the stuff of the stars. Starstuff.
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Two things, real quick;
1) Never thought this thread would make it 4 pages...
2) LLAMA!? That's pretty great.
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We'll lets see, that I know of I am not related to any one famous. My Grandfather use to live in CA and worked security at a film studio and knew people like Mark Harmon, and such. I've talked with
Muse Watson(http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002901/) (NCIS, Prison Break),
and Cote de Pablo(http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1580243/) (NCIS),
and Anthony Tyler Quinn (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0703761/),
and I've met Michael Joiner (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1456571/)
talk to Paul LaLonde semi-regularly (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0482510/)
and talked to John Ratzenburger

oh and I've had my Picture taken with Katie Couric, but don't have the picture to prove it because they never gave us a copy of it. (bastards).

So no I'm not related to any of these people (as far as I know) but there pretty cool.
Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011, 4:10am

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I saw Justin Bieber in Hollywood once. Only celebrity I've ever seen.
Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011, 4:10am

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Travis Kunze

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Pooky wrote:

I saw Justin Bieber in Hollywood once. Only celebrity I've ever seen.
I'm sorry, must have been depressing.
Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011, 4:21am

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Travis Kunze wrote:

Pooky wrote:

I saw Justin Bieber in Hollywood once. Only celebrity I've ever seen.
I'm sorry, must have been depressing.
The guide lady had just finished telling us about how the last group saw Jeff Bridges and he took pictures with them.
Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011, 8:31am

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Pooky wrote:

The guide lady had just finished telling us about how the last group saw Jeff Bridges and he took pictures with them.
You saw Bieber instead of Jeff Bridges?! If you need someone to talk to.. unsure
Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2011, 1:00am

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[quote="Pooky"]

Travis Kunze wrote:

The guide lady had just finished telling us about how the last group saw Jeff Bridges and he took pictures with them.
I'd rather die then see Justin Beiber. lol
Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2011, 8:41pm

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I saw Owen Wilson walking around in Toronto a few weeks ago, that was pretty cool smile
Posted: Mon, 25th Apr 2011, 2:12pm

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The FE wrote:

I saw Owen Wilson walking around in Toronto a few weeks ago, that was pretty cool smile
Who doesn't like at least one Owen Wilson movie? And if I'm not mistaken, his brother played in Spaceballs and Independance Day.
Posted: Mon, 25th Apr 2011, 2:59pm

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Azulon'sAssassin wrote:

Who doesn't like at least one Owen Wilson movie? And if I'm not mistaken, his brother played in Spaceballs and Independance Day.
Hahaha, what? You're thinking of Bill Pullman. Where do you get your information, imwrongdb.com? wink
Posted: Mon, 25th Apr 2011, 3:02pm

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Azulon'sAssassin wrote:



Who doesn't like at least one Owen Wilson movie? And if I'm not mistaken, his brother played in Spaceballs and Independance Day.
I like a bunch of movies that hes in actually, Night of the Museum 1and2, the Focker Series, Shanghi Knights, Cars...
Posted: Mon, 25th Apr 2011, 3:24pm

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Aculag wrote:

imwrongdb.com? wink
Clever wink
Posted: Mon, 25th Apr 2011, 3:50pm

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Pooky wrote:

I saw Justin Bieber in Hollywood once. Only celebrity I've ever seen.
I saw Donald Trump. If he ever becomes the president of the US, (GOD, please no!!) I can say I saw the president of the US.
Posted: Mon, 25th Apr 2011, 9:24pm

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Heh. I'd think seeing Donald Trump is a bigger and more exclusive deal than seeing him as the President. I've personally seen three Presidents- Clinton, Bush, and Obama- and actually got to meet with and have lunch with Bush.

This was, of course, before he was President back when he was governor of Texas and loved to have Boy Scout or church or philanthropy groups come and meet him and he'd show them around the capital and talk about the state.

Such a different guy than seeing him as President, and afterward too. Not that he hasn't always been a kind and inviting (albeit flawed and somewhat oblivious) person, but prior to his presidency he was such an accessible and enthusiastic guy, and if you really wanted to meet with him in Austin, you could. I did. The presidency changed that in him, understandably so. Much more weighted-down and weary- caught up in keeping secrets and stressing on tough decisions and news.

I'm told though, that where he now lives- a few blocks from my old high school in Dallas, he's back to being more stress-free and open/inviting. He even jogs the Katy trail everyday, which extends north-south throughout basically every neighborhood and sector of the city- and often doesn't even get recognized. Nice guy.