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Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011, 1:32am

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Viktorious

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I'm looking for a video editing program and I want it pretty cheap. Any one have a suggestion? I was thinking about PowerDirector 9. It looks pretty impressive for the cost. I found a place that lists what PowerDirector and other programs have.
http://video-editing-software-review.toptenreviews.com/

It doesn't have a couple of things. Like rotoscoping. Is it something you use allot?

I have a camera that is in AVCHD. But the program can't capture video from an avchd camera. Could I still put the videos in the program?
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011, 3:02am

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I would recommend the Vegas Movie Studio series. For under $100, you get a lot of options. Check it out. That PowerDirector looks good to. PowerDirector was actually my second editor (after Movie Maker) and I liked using it, but then I switched to Vegas Movie Studio 8 and didn't look back. Vegas killed it.

Of course that was at least 3 years ago, so I'm sure maybe things have changed.

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Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011, 3:05am

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To answer your last question,

Viktorious wrote:

I have a camera that is in AVCHD. But the program can't capture video from an avchd camera. Could I still put the videos in the program?
Not until you converted it in another program.

I say go with Rody on this one. I believe the new Vegas Platinum has AVCHD support. Here's a comparison of all the Vegas options...
Hope it helps!
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011, 3:56am

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Yeah, Vegas Platinum supports AVCHD- prior to purchasing Vegas Pro I had used Premiere Pro CS3, but when I bought a Sony AVCHD camera, I needed an NLE to edit a project quickly. The short version of the story is that we purchased Vegas Platinum Pro temporarily to get the project done. Then I bought Vegas Pro, and I love it.

But yeah, the Vegas program is really great.
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011, 4:45am

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I will show some love for Magix Movie Edit Pro. I'm using ver 16 and I really like it. It has a lot of bells and whistles (chroma keying, color correction, etc). It's got at least 16 multi-purpose tracks and audio cleaning tools.... there's just a lot to offer. Not sure why its not that popular. Best part? Starts at $50.

edit: also has AVCHD support.
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011, 2:36pm

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Vegas does look pretty good. If you were to compare the two ( PowerDirector and the $130 version of Vegas) which one would have more features or is it kinda different for everyone. The straight import from an avchd camera would be nice with Vegas.

I couldn't believe that PowerDirector didn't take avchd. So I looked up to see if it did take avchd and it does. Just not straight from a camera.

Thanks for your help.
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011, 5:16pm

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Vegas is the biggest selling consumer video software for good reason - its the best. Most of the other software in the same price range is very gimmicky, pretty limited or filled with totally pointless "features" which most people will never want to use.
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011, 5:46pm

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Right to the point. I like it.

Thanks, I think I will get Vagas.
Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2011, 8:55pm

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I used to like Vegas Movie Studio, but does't play well with my AVCHD footage (jerky,slow) from my D7000. Shame, b/c I really do like the interface.

(in the end I went for Premiere Pro CS5, works a treat, but certainly not within stated budget of OP)
Posted: Thu, 21st Apr 2011, 4:12am

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Dont suppose you have a mac? If you did, Final Cut Express is nice for a cheap price. And with FCX releasing soon Express' price should drop.
Posted: Thu, 21st Apr 2011, 2:46pm

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3dmus wrote:

I used to like Vegas Movie Studio, but does't play well with my AVCHD footage (jerky,slow) from my D7000. Shame, b/c I really do like the interface.
That's a case of the computer, not the software necessarily. We never had a problem with that software, even with a high quality HDR-SR12 camera. The bitrate should be relatively uniform with AVCHD though.

Dont suppose you have a mac? If you did, Final Cut Express is nice for a cheap price.
The OP is obviously using a PC because he is considering Sony Vegas, which is only for Windows. You'd have to use a dual boot in Boot Camp to run it on a Mac. wink
Posted: Thu, 21st Apr 2011, 9:29pm

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Yeah my Veagas Platinum can't run any HD clips, but that's because my computer can't handle them, have to convert them down to SD before editing... tis a shame. Really need an upgrade. But as DVStudio said, if it is slow/jerky it isn't because of the software, it's because your computer can't handle it.
Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011, 7:24am

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DVStudio wrote:

3dmus wrote:

I used to like Vegas Movie Studio, but does't play well with my AVCHD footage (jerky,slow) from my D7000. Shame, b/c I really do like the interface.
That's a case of the computer, not the software necessarily. We never had a problem with that software, even with a high quality HDR-SR12 camera. The bitrate should be relatively uniform with AVCHD though.
Whilst my computer is not overly powerful (Q8300, 8GB), Premiere Pro CS5 has no issues playing the files (at full quality btw). Vegas & Vegas Pro (the demo) are both struggling (even at lower quality). So, clearly, Premiere Pro makes better use of my computer resources (note, may well be down to my specific config etc). Now in the market for a CUDA enabled card to be able to get an even smoother experience (colour correction, transitions enabled and still playing at full quality, full frame rate)
Posted: Tue, 26th Apr 2011, 9:27pm

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A quick note Amazon has Sony Vegas for a cheap price.
click here for more info
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Vegas-Movie-Studio-Platinum/dp/B003L51CZ8
Posted: Wed, 27th Apr 2011, 2:08am

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Yeah I already looked around ebay and amazon and found one for even cheaper than that one. Thanks anyway.
Posted: Thu, 28th Apr 2011, 2:29pm

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I downloaded a free version of Vegas and I like it allot. But there is one thing. The video won't play without glitching really bad. And also there are huge pixel squares as the video plays. Is this problem due to my computer or is there something else.

I tried switching the resolution and it would still glitch when i had it on the lowest res. Thanks
Posted: Thu, 28th Apr 2011, 3:04pm

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At the top of the preview box there should be a choice selection for playback quality. The higher it is, the more it'll glitch. The lower it is the less it will glitch but the crappier the image will look. I tend to keep mine on the "preview" quality for most projects as I never really add enough "effects" to need to set it to draft, but there have been times when I had to.



I don't know for sure, so some other Vegas user can correct me if I'm wrong, but the more "effects" you add in Sony Vegas, the slower/glitchier the playback will be because it has to process each effect for each frame instantly and some times the program can't handle processing it all at one time in the current quality, however when you render it out, it won't have the problem because during the rendering process it adds those effects permanently to the file, so when you playback that file it is no longer having to process all the added effects at one time, because they are built into the file. Does that make sense?
Posted: Thu, 28th Apr 2011, 3:43pm

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You can also do RAM preview so it plays smoothly. Just highlight the part of the image you want to playback, and hit Shift+B and it'll do the RAM preview.

It's a really good option, and the biggest reason why I stopped trying to learn Premiere and stuck to Vegas.
Posted: Thu, 28th Apr 2011, 4:01pm

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Really? I didn't know you could do that...
Posted: Thu, 28th Apr 2011, 5:16pm

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I use the Pro version so I don't know if Movie Studio does it too. Go to 'Tools' and see if you can find 'Build Dynamic Ram Preview'
Posted: Thu, 28th Apr 2011, 8:24pm

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yep the movie studio can do it. Just checked. Gotta love Vegas!
Posted: Thu, 28th Apr 2011, 8:40pm

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I put it on the preview quality and it still was really slow and glitchy. I also tried the ram preview and it would play like in really slow motion. But then after it was done I would play it again and then it would play back better but would still glitch sometimes.
Posted: Thu, 28th Apr 2011, 8:53pm

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Hmm... What version of Vegas are you using and what is the file type of the video? Is it mov? cause I've heard of Vegas having trouble with some of the newer Quicktime versions...
Posted: Thu, 28th Apr 2011, 11:16pm

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It is Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum 10.0. The file is avchd and it's only a short little clip. Thanks
Posted: Fri, 29th Apr 2011, 3:07am

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Looks like there may be some answers for you here
Posted: Fri, 29th Apr 2011, 2:39pm

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That explains it. Thanks Biblmac. If it doesn't work out what would be the next editor you guys would recommend?
Posted: Fri, 29th Apr 2011, 2:52pm

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Adobe Premiere Elements is the obvious choice, but the pro version is vastly more expensive than the pro version of Vegas and as far as I know can't do too much more... However if Vegas isn't working out for you, Adobe's products aren't as user friendly as Vegas so I'm not sure if it would be better.

Other than that I don't really know much about any of the editors... I made a list, an incomplete list of a bunch of editors at different price ranges;

Non Linear Editing Software:

Windows Movie Maker (Free) WIN
IMovie (Free) MAC
Honest Tech Easy Video Editor (30USD)
Honest Tech Video Editor (50USD)
Pinnacle Studio (50USD) WIN
Sony Vegas Movie Studio (55USD)WIN
Corel Video Studio (70 USD)
Sony Vegas Platinum (85USD) WIN
Pinnacle Studio Plus (100USD) WIN
Adobe Premiere Elements (100USD) WIN
Sony Vegas Platinum Pro Pack (115USD) WIN
Pinnacle Studio Ultimate (130USD) WIN
Final Cut Express (200USD) MAC
Vegas Pro (550USD) WIN
Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 (800USD) WIN

I've heard mixed things about Pinnacle. People on here will tell you it is mostly worthless, but I had a friend buy it who loves it to death. I have no experience with it, so I can't really say.... If you google some of these you can see what they can and can't do. AS you can see, Final Cut (for mac), Vegas, and Premiere are really the only "pro" software available at this time.

EDIT: Vegas has went up to $599 since I made that list, so ya know.

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Posted: Fri, 29th Apr 2011, 7:59pm

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Careful with premiere- it doesn;t work with AVCHD files natively as Vegas does. The slow playback and what not could just be the computer you are using, because ven my laptop seems to play the 1080p T2i files back at full res in Vegas Pro with no problem. What are the computers specs, specificially RAM, video card, and CPU?

An option with Premiere, of course, is converting the files from AVCHD and then editing them in Premiere. Some quality *could* be lost depending on your choice of converter/codec, but that's what I used to do before I bought Vegas.

Quicktime is a problem with some versions of Vegas. It may be worth a shot installing QT 7.5.5 which plays well with Vegas, but it's only a consideration if you are working with .mov files and having an issue.

Hopefully this helps a little!
Posted: Fri, 29th Apr 2011, 8:12pm

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Ah, I didn't know that about Premiere. Just curious, but why don't they support AVCHD?
Posted: Fri, 29th Apr 2011, 9:08pm

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Biblmac wrote:

Ah, I didn't know that about Premiere. Just curious, but why don't they support AVCHD?
As I understand it, AVCHD is an "end product" codec and not an "editing" codec. Usually you transcode AVCHD into something else (avi or mpeg, etc). Even though Magix Movie Edit Pro can edit AVCHD, I transcode it using Neoscene to make things smoother.

Works well that way. Has anyone besides me actually used Magix? I think you'd be surprised smile
Posted: Fri, 29th Apr 2011, 10:05pm

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sorry - this is incorrect. With Premiere Pro CS5 I play AVCHD files without any issues. As per my previous post, it does in fact a much better job than Vegas (both Pro and Movie Studio).

NOt saying AVCHD is a great editing codec, but out of the box, premiere pro cs5 does a much better job (on my computer, with my D7000 AVCHD files) than any of the competing products I tried (and that includes not only Vegas, but pretty much anything I could get a trial of).
Posted: Sat, 30th Apr 2011, 2:43am

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My computer has 2gb of ram, AMD Athlon(tm) 64, 3000+ MMx 3d now 2GHZ processor, ATI Radeon graphics processor AGP(0xB49).

One of my main reasons for getting a new editor is because i don't want to convert my video files.
Posted: Sat, 30th Apr 2011, 8:46am

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I think the best thing you can do is just to try the various trials out there. See what works best on your computer with your particular files.

I have to say though that 2GB of RAM is not an awful lot. For HD editing I would advise a lot more.

Also should have mentioned that premiere pro cs5 requires a 64bit operating system (like Windows 7 64bit).

Also, you may want to have a look at Edius NEO 3. I tried a trial in the past, and worked quite well for me:

http://www.grassvalley.com/products/edius_neo_3
Posted: Sat, 30th Apr 2011, 10:51am

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I personally have 1.5G of ram and I can't even view HD videos on my HD 720p monitor because my ram just isn't up to speed wink Anyway, I don't know what your motives are, Viktorious, but if you want to use this for consumer work, go ahead and get whatever software will work best for you, but if you want to do any amateur/semi-pro film editing, having software thats best version is $100-160 is going to hinder you when you are ready to upgrade and get more features, only to find out you'll have to change software completely.

Honestly take a look here to make sure you have all the specs they require before jumping ship on Vegas, if you don't maybe a couple extra bucks could be all the dough you need to get this bad puppy to work for ya.

Really though, it is all up to you. You can do whatever you want to do. Just trying to help you make an informed decision. smile

EDIT: I did some checking and Edius seems alright. It does have a $700 some version, so there are upgrade options if you go that way. It also claims to have, "fast native AVCHD editing" so that'd be nice. Definitely try the trail of that one. Doesn't look half bad.

I read some reviews on it, and here is one thing I thought you might want to read before jumping on board bhphotovideo.com

TBone, Bhphotovideo Reviewer wrote:

I wish it supported deinterlacing/inverse telecine on import. It could also use better DVD generation (which is not its primary purpose) and built in title support.
One other quote I thought was worth noting is this one:

TBone, Bhphotovideo Reviewer wrote:

It lacks inverse telecine/deinterlacing support from AVCHD files, so shooting in 24p becomes an issue.
This is just one persons problems with the software however
Posted: Sat, 30th Apr 2011, 2:23pm

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Just wanted to add to my previous statement on Premiere Pro Cs5 (I sound like a bloody salesman I know!). Just went out and bought an NVIDIA Gefore GTX460. After adding it to the supported CUDA card list in Premiere Pro (a "hack")....incredible. Just tried 2 AVCHD files, both colour corrected and one on top of the other with Ultra Keyer...plays smooth as butter...man..saves me upgrading my computer to an I7!
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Vegas doesn't work for Mac Biblmac.
Posted: Sun, 1st May 2011, 4:09am

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Haha that's what I get for making a mistake, realizing it, and not ever saving the fixed version... Oh well. I'll edit my post.
Posted: Sun, 1st May 2011, 9:25pm

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I downloaded CS5 Elements just to see if it would play my clips smoothly. The half bad and half good news is that it's not Vegas, it's my computer. Elements would do the same thing with the clips. They were extremely choppy. Which that doesn't really do any good for an editing program if you can't play back what you are editing.

So my conclusion is to get a new computer... hopefully.

I'm talking with a guy in what I would need to make my clips run smoothly.
Do you guys have any suggestions in what I would need?

Explain processors to me. I think that's my problem. Thanks