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Posted: Tue, 17th May 2011, 3:57pm

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Will there not be an OSX version? I know there was.... problems getting VisionLab up and running at full potential, or as far as I'm aware it never did get there but it seems to be a Windows only app this time round. Any chance you could confirm?

Sorry if this is a repeated question, I've only just noticed the banners.
Posted: Tue, 17th May 2011, 4:03pm

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Until we know where Apple is going with FCPX (and the future of Motion and iOS) it is hard to make video software on the Mac platform. We are keeping a very close eye on how much interest there is from Mac users.
Posted: Tue, 17th May 2011, 4:33pm

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PLEASE make this for the Mac.. you have no idea how long ive been wanting an easier and simpler substitute for complicated programs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASEEEEE!! : )
Posted: Tue, 17th May 2011, 6:49pm

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I'm don't understand why FCPX or Motion has any decider on this, could you explain?
Posted: Tue, 17th May 2011, 10:36pm

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I would imagine FCPX could be a market spoiler, so not make it viable to Macify HitFilm - remember Macs only make up 8% of computer sales, so it could be pure economics.

If FXH want to target an alternative platform, around 5% of the market use Linux flavours now, and have no decent NLE's and effects packages...mind you not an easy platform to monetise!!
Posted: Wed, 18th May 2011, 4:30am

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I would die to have this available for mac. I'm not buying a new computer to get this, sorry...
Posted: Wed, 18th May 2011, 6:06am

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The share is more like 10-15% now and growing. And if you took into consideration how much of the Market are users that would actually use this software that mac percentage should be a lot higher, if that makes sense. The granny and grandads of the world probably won't be doing much 3d compositing.

Plus with the likes of after effects I'd have thought this would've been an issue long before now on both formats.

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Posted: Wed, 18th May 2011, 6:28am

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ZIRRETTA FILMS wrote:

I would die to have this available for mac. I'm not buying a new computer to get this, sorry...
If you have an Intel Mac you should be able to run it by bootcamping into Windows. You wouldn't need a whole new computer. Not ideal, of course, but it is an option.


Any of you that have been around since the early days know that schwar is a massive Mac fan, and always has been. We would of course love to have HitFilm on the Mac - ideally we'd love to have it on EVERY platform. Unfortunately each extra platform costs a lot of money to develop, and being a small company we had to start off with PC.

We will be monitoring the situation carefully, though. A lot of it depends where Apple go with the platform, which is currently quite unclear.
Posted: Fri, 20th May 2011, 2:59am

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Ok Thanks. Does Mac OSX Snow Leopard 10.6 come with Boot Camp? I have 10.6, but I don't know. When I was trying to download Bootcamp, it said I needed 64-bit. I have 2.2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with 1 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM. But my Pixel Depth is 32-Bit Color.
Posted: Sat, 21st May 2011, 7:12pm

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Snow leopard comes with it, can't remember about leopard. If not it should be a free download, try googling.
Posted: Sat, 21st May 2011, 7:49pm

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64-bit refers to your processor, not to color depth.
Posted: Wed, 1st Jun 2011, 6:49am

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Firstly, I've traditionally always been a Mac guy so nobody would like to see HitFilm for Mac more than me.

While some sales statistics put the Mac around 11% of the market, overall the share remains between 6-8%. It is true that Macs are very slightly gaining market share but normally only at 0.1-0.15% a year. Furthermore the majority of Macs sold are small laptops or micro-laptops which are not capable of running HitFilm due to old fashioned graphics cards. Apple always leaves OpenGL as a poor relation to it's Windows equivalent which doesn't help either.

So when it comes to powerful laptops and desktops Apple actually have much less than 5% of the market which is why games are often not ported to the Mac.

We have the added complication in that's we could end up going head-to-head with Apple with our product. While we're confident our software is amazing it is very hard to fight the brand if, for instance, the next version of Motion has a feature set which is even slightly similar to HitFilm. That could leave us with 1% of that 5% as possible customers which simply wouldn't get close to paying for the development and support of the product. We need to see where Apple are going with their products.

Lastly, Apple do have a consumer platform which is a market leader and sells more than every Mac (desktop, laptop, air) combined... The iPad (which is what I'm writing this on). There could be a huge shift towards iOS for for Apples consumer hardware over the next 2 years which would require redevelopment again. crazy
Posted: Sun, 5th Jun 2011, 4:57am

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I've been checking back monthly on Fxhome for the last 4 years hoping for some good news related to mac software. My friend introduced me to AlamDV 2 for mac back in the day, and I started out with chromanator on my G4 eMac. I was really hoping that this new software would be a simultaneous mac release.

I am pretty sure that FCPX will not be competing with HitFilm. Besides, if you are willing to take AfterEffects head-on, Motion shouldn't be any sort of issue, unless you have that much faith in Apple's programers for the next version.
Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011, 11:48am

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Similar to BlueSmudge, I pop in now & again to see if there's any progress on an updated VisionLab for OSX. I haven't bothered for ages as I'd assumed that OSX had been abandonded. I visited again today after reading that OSX Lion will remove Rosetta.

I think it's time for me to write off the investment made in VisionLab - I used it extensively in a short film (http://deadbit.org/aotasr) and really like it but I don't really want to dedicate a Windows installation to it (or HitFilm if a crossgrade is made available), the workflow would be a nightmare.

Back to Blender for effects I think...
Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011, 5:16pm

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@ HexadB same here. I've been with these guys since AlamDV, they built their company on the wallets of Mac Users such as myself. Yet as they've grown they've ignored us more and more. I bought into VisionLab still in the PPC days, and hoped for Intel compatibility some day. Well that never materialized but it had been indicated that new products would surely be Universal or Intel Binaries. I get an email about HItFilm today and thought "finally, they are coming through with a new product that will natively support modern Macintoshes". My hopes were quickly dashed.

I understand the business decisions I suppose, though it seems as though Mac Users would be most likely to buy into this type of product. I know I'd buy at least a few copies if not more for my Final Cut Lab. We had some fun times FxHome, and you got plenty of my money, but alas I fear it is finally time for us to part ways for good.

*sigh*
Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011, 5:35pm

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Hey guys,

We will continue to evaluate the Mac situation but, even by their own admission, it seems that more and more new Mac users are moving to low powered laptops while sales of desktops are in decline. While Macs market share increases very slowly, the amount of power users on the Mac is reducing much more quickly.

As much as it pains me to say it (being a Mac guy myself), we have NEVER been able to make any profit from the sale of our Mac video software, in some cases it has made sizeable losses for us. It is hard to forecast any different for HitFilm given the information above but I will keep looking at the situation - we would like to be on an Apple platform with a video product in the future.
Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011, 6:51pm

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I'm like schwar here - I'm a mac guy and have been since about 1997.

That being said, I fully understand the economics in their direction and support it. When running a business, you HAVE to look at viability and the future of your business - If you are not making money, then what you are doing is considered more of a hobby.

If you had/have invested 3 years (with a team of people), developing this software, then you would want a return on your money.

Obviously from the capability of the software shown in these youtube teasers, this is quite the leap from what we were used to, and I am more than willing to get Windows for Mac just for this software (once I get a newer Mac which I'm due for since my MBP is a 2007 model).

Filmmakers have various tools in their arsenal. Be it editing, visual effects, audio programs, DVD authoring etc. You can edit in FCP, but maybe prefer Adobe's Soundbooth (now Audition) to sweeten or fix audio etc. From a financial aspect, I hate it because you have to spend money getting all these different programs. But just as there is no one camera that can do it all, we have to supplement them with other purchases to work around them.

Hopefully you won't stop coming around because this site is more than just the software. It's a community that I've built friendships that I have come to trust and rely on, and I'm more than sure that Hitfilm's new site will be more of the same.
Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011, 7:06pm

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Unfortunately, with HitFilm not coming to the Mac, it's going to be pretty useless for me too since I've got my entire filmmaking workflow on my Mac and never did one bit of editing on my pc and also don't plan to. Shame. Some of the stuff looks useful and fun to play around with. But then again, I've begun to move away from visual effects in general so I wouldn't be using it on a regular basis anyways.

The decision to not port it, as sad as is, makes perfect sense though. Fxhome is a business first and foremost and as such, it's decisions have to be and will be financially motivated and with apple being the way it is and the market going where it seems to be going - it doesn't look like we'll ever get a mac version of this. I sure wouldn't be financing it if I was in schwars shoes.
Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011, 7:17pm

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Thanks guys for your support, it means a lot! smile

It makes me sound older than I am but I'm been using (and programming) Macs since the very beginning, back in 1986 when I was just 7 years old. I even programmed an Apple II Europlus before that, an Apple computer from before the Macintosh was even launched. When a die-hard Mac/Apple fan like me can't justify the development costs then it REALLY can't add up - I do hope this changes in the future.

We will be keeping a keen eye on what Apple are doing with FCP X (and the next version of Motion) from both a business point-of-view and because I'm a big fan of the company.

PhotoKey has done really well for us on the Mac so we have no intentions of leaving the platform. In fact I hope we'll have more Mac products in the future and even some on iOS. smile
Posted: Thu, 16th Jun 2011, 5:36pm

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I've not been around here for a while, and when I do wander across, I find this! The product look awesome, but I have to bow out due to the Mac issue. I dumped my PC in 2007 for a Mac purely for video editing and compositing (at first). There's no way I'm going to be bootcamping and stumping up license fees for Windows, AV, etc just for HitMovie. I never want any version of Windows in my home again!

I completely understand your decision to go PC only if PC is the money maker but it's just a little down-heartning to wait years and years for a reasonable performing version of VisionLab, only to find a completely new product which doesn't work on a Mac at all. Sigh.

I shall keep my fingers and toes crossed and wait in anticipation for a Mac version, as I did for a UB version of VisionLab.
Posted: Fri, 17th Jun 2011, 10:22am

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I am moving over to all macs even as I type this from a brand new core i7 Imac.

I have my own reasons and don't really want to get into an argument about which is better and why. I used every Microsoft OS back to DOS 5, so I think I can call it an informed decision.

I would by Hitfilm for Mac should it arrive before a real competitor. Note that the Visionlab seat you sold me (and the Composite Lab and Effects Lap Pro seats before that) on the Windows platform are now all on my Mac (and off of my Windows getting reformatted).

Hopefully, you guys will find a good reason or an easy way to port it to mac, because I have no desire at all to go back to windows. I'd rather run Linux.
Posted: Sun, 19th Jun 2011, 5:27pm

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When you talk about statistics it appears that you are talking about overall sales. PCs sell more on the whole as they are cheap, while still completing all the basic computer functions. Macs are typically used by designers or artists as they are on the whole very powerful and have excellent potential for completing all creative tasks very well. I am soon going to move over from FCE and FXL Pro to Premier and AE as my workflow into effects lab is quite simply awful. Were Hitfilm to have fully fledged editing and sound editing capabilities then from what I've seen it would be a very good contender. Even as it is though, were it to be available on mac, then for action scenes it could easily be used for editing and VFX.
Posted: Sun, 19th Jun 2011, 6:08pm

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Another Mac fan begging and pleading for Hitfilm for Mac OSX. Would definitely love to see this happen!
Posted: Sun, 19th Jun 2011, 6:28pm

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For you guys with Macs..... I am running OSX (Snow Leopard) and I have been running the pc version of VisionLab on my mac just fine. I have Windows 7 loaded as a second boot OS and boot camp lets you select what OS you want the machine to boot in. Since all macs now have intel processors, when your machine boots windows, it is not in emulation...it is now a full fledged PC...until you reboot. VisionLab runs great!!! and I know HitFilm will do the same. So for you Mac guys out there, just go get a copy of Windows 7, and load it tool. Mac guys can just have their cake and eat it too.... and boot their machines either way. when running windows....they bench just the same, so dont worry about speed...it will be the same equivalent PC speed of what ever processor/ghz setup you have. (i did my own bench comparisons using Geekbench and Cinebench 10 and 11). Purchasing a copy of windows is a small price to pay and besides it will just open your mac up to both sides of the software isle. (If you guys have a mac tower, just get a second internal HD and put windows on that one....if now, they still can reside on the same HD).

I really hope this helps some of my fellow Mac users out.
Posted: Sun, 19th Jun 2011, 9:16pm

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Yes, I have windows 7 in bootcamp too, but how do you transfer files across?[/i]
Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2011, 9:29am

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I read all kinds of statistics for Mac, Windows, and Linux users. In the end though, it is hard to argue with FXHome about what is making THEIR money. It would be interesting to know how many of their PC licenses have 'converted' as I have from my original Windows purchase. It seems a few others are in my boat. Either way, I doubt anyone could make a more compelling argument then their accountant.

I am well aware of bootcamp (and other such solutions), but I do not want to run Windows. I do not want to support another operating system. A windows license plus a Hitfilm license begins to haunt the realm of an After Effects license especially when you factor in the headaches of switching back and forth.

If Lion is to be the end of VisionLab on the Mac, then well, first I will be very, very sad, but I will also move it into the casualty bin next to some other software I used to use but am now letting go.

FCP X will be the new editor, and I will find what I can use for effects along the way if I can no longer use FXHome. It would be a tragedy, but it seems beyond my control.
Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2011, 9:42am

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Ack...went looking through the site and system requirements for Visionlab, EffectsLab, and CompositeLab no longer include MacOSX.

Now I am worried that all support is going away.
Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2011, 9:47am

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The Lab products haven't been sold for the Mac platform for a while. Changes made to the OS X standard install have unfortunately made it increasingly difficult to run the software.

We will continue to support existing Mac customers, though, so don't worry about that. smile
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Macs are typically used by designers or artists.
This is no longer the case. Most new Macs are low powered laptops with long battery life and small screens. These computers may be ideal for browsing the web and organising photos/music but they are not good for power users creating content.

It is pretty hard for us to know where Apple is going as they have changed priority quite a bit in the last couple of years. They made a big deal of Grand Central which uses the power of the GPU to speed up general tasks, but then start downgrading the GPUs in their most popular computers.

The most popular MacBook Pro (the small one) actually had a GPU downgrade in its latest revision. While it is a premium laptop (compared to Windows machines) the GPU is at the same level as the absolute cheapest PC laptops. The same downgrade will soon happen to the next MacBook and MacBook Air (Apple's most popular models) and the Mac Mini.

The iPad platform is becoming more and more powerful, and I expect the iPad 3 will actually have more GPU power than most of Apple's laptops!

Having said all this, PhotoKey does really well on the Mac accounting for nearly 20% of the sales! Unfortunately the Lab products didn't manage half that amount. crazy
Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2011, 11:48am

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Not arguing the SALES statistic, but a "low powered" laptop today is still VERY powerful compared to a desktop a few years ago (slight dig - like around the time of the last VisionLab update razz ). And the trend for people buying more mobile computers isn't restricted to Apple. PC desktops are falling off and more people are turning to thin and light notebooks or tablets or even smartphones instead.

My MacBook Air has a Core 2 processor and a dedicated GPU from Nvidia that is able to do many jobs quite niceley while still giving decent battery life. Would I throw a 70 minute AVCHD project at it in 1080P? No, but I might well do some 'quick and dirty' work with it while I was in the field.

People want to be able to take their computers with them. I want to be able to slap a couple of effects down on some DSLR footage while at my mother-in-law's place, then clean it up nicely on the desktop.

So yeah, a lot of people, even me, have (also) bought low end Macs, but I can't tell you how many people I see who use those 13" MBPros to do video, photo, and music work all the time. It doesn't help FXHome if they won't get off their lazy wallets and buy your products, but the artists ARE out there and they ARE working. PC sales actually declined last year while Macs grew by 28%, and they have outperformed PCs every year for the last 7 or so years. Some of those people are going to want to make movies.
Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2011, 11:50am

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Tarn wrote:

The Lab products haven't been sold for the Mac platform for a while. Changes made to the OS X standard install have unfortunately made it increasingly difficult to run the software.

We will continue to support existing Mac customers, though, so don't worry about that. smile
Would that include a universal binary? Pretty please smile

(yeah, mother of all long shots but might as well

You could sell it in the App store and might find numerous new customers there. smile
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Hey v3rlon,

The current low end Macbook Pro (and the next MacBook and Air) have an Intel HD 3000 which is slow compared to even average Windows desktops a few years ago. To find high-end desktop GPUs with the same performance you have to go back about 6 years. This is ancient history in computing terms, Apple aren't even making software which can work on their machines that old (PowerPC architecture).

Its not really possible to state how well Apple grew against the PC market because none of the figures count sales across all types of customer (education, private, corporate). Having said that, Apple is obviously increasing its market share by points of a percent every year but, by its own admission, these are not power users buying Mac Pros and top end iMacs - they are buying low end laptops which wouldn't run FCP or Motion very well.

While the whole market is moving towards laptops there are far more Windows laptops sold with decent graphics cards because of the importance of gaming and blu-ray playback. This is also true of Windows desktops where there are so many more options for performance graphics at a very affordable price.

We will look closely to see what Apple do with FCP X and Motion. If we can make something work we will. As I said before I'm a big Mac fan and I look forward to more development from FXhome on the platform.

P.S. It is impossible to convert the Lab product to UB otherwise we would have done it long ago.
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schwar wrote:

Hey v3rlon,

The current low end Macbook Pro (and the next MacBook and Air) have an Intel HD 3000 which is slow compared to even average Windows desktops a few years ago
Just a note, but we were doing some testing in the office to determine our next batch of windows machines and, while not a comprehensive test by any means, the HD3000 tested better in 3Dmark Vantage than the Radeon 6450. The 6450 isn't a powerhouse by any means but historically any dedicated card would normally have been light years ahead of Intel's onboard graphics, and that no longer seems to be the case.
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v3rlon wrote:

PC sales actually declined last year while Macs grew by 28%, and they have outperformed PCs every year for the last 7 or so years.
Take it easy. That's a total freakin' joke. And, FXhome doesn't have unlimited funds to be developing it for the few users who would like it on Macs. Macs are trendy, under powered, and have an unbelievably smaller user base.

It does not make sense economically to develop Hitfilm for the Mac, when FXhome will sell like crazy for the PC. Good luck guys, but may I suggest Bootcamp or look into purchasing a computer that will actually be able to edit properly. Schwar and the others are right, the majority of Mac users are purchasing Macbooks and iPads which are not suited to editing video properly with graphics and hardware intensive software like Hitfilm.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Jun 2011, 7:02am

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DVStudio wrote:

v3rlon wrote:

PC sales actually declined last year while Macs grew by 28%, and they have outperformed PCs every year for the last 7 or so years.
Take it easy. That's a total freakin' joke...Macs are trendy, under powered, and have an unbelievably smaller user base...


It does not make sense economically to develop Hitfilm for the Mac, when FXhome will sell like crazy for the PC. Good luck guys, but may I suggest Bootcamp or look into purchasing a computer that will actually be able to edit properly...
No, not a joke. Growth rate in sales (not actual sales numbers - reading it now I can see how it might be taken that way, which would be incorrect).

I have never argued FXHome economics and have pointedly said as much. If their sales figures indicate X, then that is what they have regardless of how well Apple is doing in market share.

I also stated quite plainly that I didn't like the boot camp alternative and why.

I am not trying to convince you to swap to Mac, so relax. My Windows background is QUITE extensive and goes back twenty years. I have also been trying to get out for most of the last two for my own reasons. Fxhome software was one of the things I was looking to try and keep when I got out. So don't mind me while I plead my case. I would never willfully ask them not to implement some new feature just because it wasn't useful to me. Please extend me the same courtesy. If you feel Macs are a complete waste of time, why even bother visiting a thread dedicated to that platform?
Posted: Wed, 22nd Jun 2011, 7:23am

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macdude22 - yeah, the HD 3000 probably will meet our minimum requirements but we're not supporting any Intel GPUs at release although we hope to soon after. It is also the only Intel GPU Apple support in their latest releases.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2011, 3:59am

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I find it very odd that FxHome didn't make a profit from the mac versions of the lab products. I was under the impression that apple was *the* thing to edit on due to reliability and power. I'm working on a 17" i7 core macbook pro and it runs FCE and other programs great. But I guess what's happening here is that people who can afford macs can also afford afterEffects.
It's a shame, though, I loved FxHome since they first released the Lab trio.
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mad I am very angry that hitfilm is a windows only product. I am suprised that Fxhome didn't make a lot of money on the lab products because macs are typically used by artists and designers! I am so sick of windows computers, I don't care how many people say they are so fast and good, because out of all the windows computers I owned or used, they all work like crap. Also my computer works fine with effects lab. So i'm sure it will work fine with hitfilm! Finally, If they come out with a mac version they would have the 40% off voucher.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2011, 11:29pm

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Keanebug

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i really need this for a mac, iv'e been looking forward to this all month. sad
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2011, 11:54pm

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Hi FXHome

I was amazed at the features of hitfilm and feal it a shame that "HitFilm" cant run on a mac. Im a Mac user and make short films promotional videos all the time and use effects lab pro to add effects even as i type effects home is rendering one of my projects! Please Please Please make it available for Mac im sure that there will be a huge response. I would just like to add that i really enjoy using the software i have now its easy to use and looks great when all effects are complated. The website is easy to use and i have downloaded nearly all the presets and alamdv plugins.
Once again im sure many other mac users will back me up in saying that there should be a version for Mac and i think it would be a shame if there wasnt. (I also want to use me 40% off voucher) biggrin

Kind Regards

Alex J Riley
Posted: Tue, 5th Jul 2011, 12:14pm

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FXhomer98905

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How is Motion any threat? Is it not a transition and title bassed program. Plus FCPX is a video editing program not special effects one like HitFilm!
Posted: Tue, 5th Jul 2011, 7:47pm

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Another vote here for a Mac based version of Hitfilm.

I'm a long time user of Effects Lab, but I've had too many bad experiences with PCs over the years so I finally made the switch to Apple (wish I had done it years ago).

Considering everyone here seems to be saying Mac's are underpowered; well, I'm surprised because whatever is happening under the hood on my MacBookPro blows away my fast desktop editing PC.

However I feel there will be a market for this product on the Mac. Perhaps you guys should look into the whole 'app' market (adding specific 'Lab' style plug-ins for FCPX and Motion - there has to be a market for that and god knows you have the talent.

Either way, I'm never going back to Windows again. If FXHome products wont be available on the Mac then so be it, I'll miss the fun funky style you guys brought to the table.
Posted: Wed, 13th Jul 2011, 1:43am

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Mow Mow

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Personally I would like it for mac cause I have my late 2009 intel macbook bootcamped with winXP and have not been able to get the demos to run on the windows side... Why would I buy for a win only download when it wont run... also I prefer to do my big stuff on my mac side. (My win side for games and testing programs for friends...)

I am holding off cause i do not have money to just throw around on hopes here...
Posted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011, 3:10pm

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FXhomer98905

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I have updated to Lion OS X which as officially dropped power pc apps. Im 14 and I dropped all my money of EffectsLab Pro. I know its not a "true" business but my friends depend on me for visual effects. We recently shot a short but now I have no effects programs and no money. Im done. This is the end FXhome.
Posted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011, 3:26pm

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Joshua Davies

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Just to repost this from HitFilm.com...

I'm a Mac guy myself but the honest truth is that if there was a port of HitFilm there are very few systems with GPUs which will run the software well and many which can't run it at all.

The vast majority of Macs sold are MacBooks and MacBook Airs and none of these machines would be up to running HitFilm due to their graphics cards and the lack of video memory they include.

There are some great machines which would be up to the job, for instance...

  • Mac Pro (early 2009) with optional ATI Radeon HD 4870
  • Mac Pro (mid 2010) any version
  • MacBook Pro (early 2011) with optional AMD Radeon HD 6750M with 1GB
  • iMac 27inch (late 2009) with optional ATI Radeon HD 4850 with 512MB
  • iMac (mid 2010) with optional ATI Radeon HD 5670 with 512MB or ATI
  • Radeon HD 5750 with 1GB
  • iMac (mid 2011) any version

Furthermore, due the Mac OS X's implementation of drivers and OpenGL all these systems would run the software FASTER under bootcamp running Windows 7. crazy

While they account for a small amount of sales, it is worth noting that Apple has now equipped all its desktop hardware (iMac and Mac Pro) with relatively decent GPUs. Apple themselves don't support a bunch of 2008 machines when it comes to FCPX and Motion due to GPUs included in those systems.

We'll keep a close eye on the situation and should things change.
Posted: Fri, 22nd Jul 2011, 3:14pm

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BlueSmudge

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I know you guys had no control over this, but maybe you only saw 10% mac sales because for the past 4.5 years fxhome had no video software the worked well with Apple's switch to intel.

The majority of people buying macbook airs and the discontinued white macbooks were never going to be buying your software anyways, PC or Mac. They are obviously not video professionals. All of these statistics about the mac platform do not translate to users of special effects software.

Anyways, do as you will. FXhome knows what is best for itself. I am just bitter after years of waiting for a UB of compositelab Pro. Now, back to learning FCPX...
Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2011, 2:52pm

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Tarn wrote:

ZIRRETTA FILMS wrote:

I would die to have this available for mac. I'm not buying a new computer to get this, sorry...
If you have an Intel Mac you should be able to run it by bootcamping into Windows. You wouldn't need a whole new computer. Not ideal, of course, but it is an option.

Correct me if I am wrong but don't i have to buy a microsoft OS to run bootcamp?
if so then are you telling me that i have to spend a few hundred dollars to buy and install bootcamp to have it run slower then usual and then spend a few hundred to order hitfilm?
Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2011, 3:09pm

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Why would Windows run slower under bootcamp? Windows runs fully native on the Mac under bootcamp just as if it was running on a PC (as Macs use exactly the same hardware these days). smile
Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2011, 3:19pm

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Warnezllc

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LOL
Deflect, Deflect, Deflect...
Good Job.... now on to answering the actual question?
Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2011, 3:22pm

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I don't see how Josh was deflecting anything? HitFilm is a Windows product.

You don't have to buy anything, but if you did want to run it on an Apple Mac computer you would need to have bootcamp and a copy of Windows, yes.
Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2011, 4:08pm

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Warnezllc

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1) thank you for answering the question. I appreciate the direct answer

2) he didn't answer the question but tried to deflect it by correcting me on a non-relevant issue.
therefore......
LOL
now maybe a question that might be answered by an official source....
If I manage to get someone to buy a version of Windows 7 for me for christmas and I buy the pc version of hitfilm.....will I be able to download a mac version when its made or will I have to buy a new mac version?

this is pretty much what will determine when (and if) I buy this product at all.


Thank you
Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2011, 4:13pm

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There will be no Mac version of HitFilm version 1 for sure.

Beyond that it is hard to answer but we wouldn't make it hard for people to cross-grade if there was to be a Mac version sometime in the future (although none are planned at this time).

I wasn't trying to avoid answering the question, I just felt it had already been answered before. Sorry.

Just to note, please make sure your Mac GPU is up to running HitFilm. smile
Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2011, 6:37pm

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Warnezllc wrote:

he didn't answer the question but tried to deflect it by correcting me on a non-relevant issue.
You made it a "relevant" issue when you wrote:

Warnezllc wrote:

it [bootcamp (added for clarification)] run slower then usual
Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2011, 6:50pm

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Warnezllc

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Whatever people. i asked a question and it was answered only after i persisted to have one and not be glossed over.

thank you for your answer.
I will wait until its available for mac as i cannot justify buying extra software
(just make sure it will work first yuk yuk yuk)
to then buy this software no matter how much i desire it.

I am accustomed to buying software for my mac that will work out of the box.
I don't like the idea of having to perform work arounds, and for the person who suggested i didn't need to "buy" software but i did need it I would like to also say I don't steal other people hard work, no matter how large and bloated the company. Pirates are bad and I am sure the official fxhome office owners would appreciate people not stealing software or suggesting people steal software.


now lets let this drop as it doesn't edify anyone or anything.
Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2011, 9:17am

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Joshua Davies

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Tarn was suggesting you don't have the buy any software to run Windows software (such as HitFilm) on a Windows PC - he wasn't suggesting you pirate software. To run Windows software on a Mac does mean you have to own Windows in the first place.

May I also point out that both Tarn and myself work for FXhome - we are official sources of information. smile
Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011, 8:22am

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I understand your predicament, however, I am horrified. This absolutely sucks. I was upset when I discovered that my VisionLab Studio (or any other FXHome product I had purchased no longer functioned after upgrading to Lion.

I got on the website to see if I needed to upgrade to a newer version, and was absolutely horrified to find this information!

As a long time customer, what are my options? If I choose to install bootcamp and Windows (shudder) or even run it on another machine, what are my upgrade options? I invested a lot in the original software, then again when VLP came out, I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination, so is there upgrade pricing for Hitfilm?

Just blows that I have to use Windows, and complicate my entire workflow, not to mention open myself up to spyware, viruses, and huge gaping security holes in windows.
Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011, 9:22am

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Hi Lee. Apple's changes to OS X are unfortunate and we would of course rather that our older software could still be used. It is unfortunate that old software doesn't always run on newer operating systems, but this has always been the case as it's not possible to support and update software forever. VisionLab is now 6 years old, so it has had a longer life than a lot of software.

HitFilm isn't a new version of VisionLab, it's a completely new and separate product, so there isn't a direct upgrade route. We did have a 2 month loyalty period when HitFilm first launched that enabled users of our previous products to make the move, and we'll almost certainly be doing something similar closer to Christmas.

As for Windows - Windows 7 with Microsoft Security Essentials is a very stable, secure OS. I've not had any virus or security issues on a Windows system for about 10 years, and Windows 7 is a major step up for Microsoft. Everybody has their own personal preference for operating system, of course, but there really isn't the quality gap that there used to be.
Posted: Tue, 29th Nov 2011, 8:16pm

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i love hitfilm and i recently upgraded my computer to a mac. i was disappointed when i found out hitfilm is not compatible with mac. i hope you fix this in the future because i love movie editing and this is my favourite program to do it on i cant find another program like this.

i also wanted to say that they should make it on mac as well because they'd get way more people buying the product most pro movie editors these days use macs and if this becomes available on mac for the price it is and what it can do everyone would buy it.

please please please make it available on mac
Posted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011, 9:49am

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I'm a longtime Mac user myself but I bought Hitfilm and now using it on a mid 2010 MBP under windows 7.
It works great and I have finished a couple of tutorials allready.

I absolutely want a native Mac version of Hitfilm but I can understand the busines decision made by FXhome.
Posted: Tue, 10th Apr 2012, 9:28am

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please please please please please please make HitFilm available on mac!!!!!!!!!!!!! smile