Posted: Tue, 9th Aug 2011, 8:00am
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For those outside the UK this is currently occurring in the UK as i type.
Saturday, a peaceful protest was held following the fatal shooting of a gangster/drug dealer or whatever they're labeling him now, and on Sunday violent riots started to kick off. Don't ask why, but instead of rioting against the police people turned to attack civillian homes and businesses. This violence has erupted since, and last night was when I caught wind of this whole thing. The images on my TV were just shocking. London's buildings are burning and shops are being looted. There were NO
members of the government at all around to give their opinions on the situation and the Prime Minister and Mayor of London were on holiday and flew back last night.
Somehow the events in London have sparked riots all over the UK, even though most are unconfirmed and just word of mouth, but events have occurred in Leeds, Nottingham and Birmingham. People are saying that the British public were already on edge with having no jobs and the economy being in tatters, and that all they needed was an excuse to kick off. But, I don't see anyone protesting now, I don't see anyone fighting for a cause. I see pure criminal activity. I see innocent peoples homes being broken into, looted and burnt. People's business being looted and destroyed.
Apparently the violence is still spreading and from what I've heard from people, people involved in the riots are planning on working their way to other areas, but this is only word of mouth. People are also complaining about the lack of police presence, but to be honest, they can't help it. Police are being situated in area A where looters and rioters are, but then in area B there's no police at all which creates more looters and rioters, the police then move to area B, when they get there area A and C have developed more rioters.
It's almost apocalyptical if you ask me.
I want to wish not only myself and my family, but also anyone who lives in the UK, safety. Stay safe.
An example of how outnumbered the police are: http://yfrog.com/0wtduz
Posted: Tue, 9th Aug 2011, 8:32am
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I've seen some images and reports. Really disturbing. How civilized people can behave like that is completely beyond me. The UK looks like a slum out of a B-Gangster-Movie.
Hopefully nothing too serious happens to anyone.
Posted: Tue, 9th Aug 2011, 8:34am
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B3N wrote:An example of how outnumbered the police are: http://yfrog.com/0wtduz
F*cking idiotic, destructive eurotrash people. And f*cking looting.
The two things I hate most. Awful. Stay safe, Ben. And everyone else in dangerous areas of the UK as well.
Posted: Tue, 9th Aug 2011, 9:20am
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Posted: Tue, 9th Aug 2011, 9:41am
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Hah, what an awesome word. Completely different from just general "trash". Europe could definately do without these guys.
Been reading up a bit on what happens. Really disturbing. I don't get how this started... Because cops shot a drug dealer...? Can anyone shed some lights on this?
Posted: Tue, 9th Aug 2011, 10:32am
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There was initially a peaceful protest outside a police station by friends and family of the bloke who got shot- the police have said they were shot at first and have found an illegal firearm and a bullet lodged in one of their radios, we should know more soon. A riot apparently developed because of the lack of official answers from politicians, police etc and then it's grown from there. However, the riots we're seeing on the telly at the moment have nothing to do with the man who got shot- it's like a bloodlust- the more the damage and destroy the more the youths are feeding the flames and destroying more. The rioters are forgetting the original context of the protest and are seemingly hell-bent on looting and destroying as much of their own city as they can.
It's been absolutely shocking to watch, and also very angry- these people have been acting like animals. I think the reason it's got so bad is nothing to do with violent games, lack of jobs or education - it's simply down to lack of respect- for years chavs and youths have commited small crimes, terrorised the communities and basically been testing the police- now they know they can get away with what they want they are going feral.
I don't condone violence but i firmly believe the police need to come down hard on them to show they mean business- tear gas, rubber bullets, water cannons. The rioters are like children who are misbehaving and seeing how far they can get away with it- until the police give them a reality check they're going to continue.
Posted: Tue, 9th Aug 2011, 4:28pm
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Yeah, the riots are just feral now, there's no cause and it's just pathetic.
Just heard that more places are rioting now and I reckon it's going to get worse as the night progresses simply because the stores will be shut and locked up, meaning no one is there to protect the property. I really do feel for everyone. Also just heard that surrounding areas where I live are getting closer to my village which is rather unnerving. I may just do a Matt 'Hybrid-Halo' Plummer and prepare for defense.
Thanks for the best wishes. Some communities effected have already grouped up and begun a clean up group for their area.
Posted: Tue, 9th Aug 2011, 4:42pm
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Sorry that this is going on for you guys over there. It is quite crazy to see people behave in such a manner.
We have people behave like this in the U.S. for some of the stupidest reasons - like when their favorite pro team loses OR wins.
Posted: Tue, 9th Aug 2011, 5:24pm
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This is such a mess. They have good reason to be upset, but they're going about it all wrong.
Garrison wrote:We have people behave like this in the U.S. for some of the stupidest reasons - like when their favorite pro team loses OR wins.
I'm pretty sure our sporting riots pale in comparison to England's. Londoners know how to throw a riot.
Posted: Tue, 9th Aug 2011, 6:05pm
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Aculag wrote:This is such a mess. They have good reason to be upset, but they're going about it all wrong.
I'm pretty sure our sporting riots pale in comparison to England's. Londoners know how to throw a riot.
Yeah but the REASONS we riot for are dumber than anywhere else.
I mean can you imagine everywhere else in the world where people riot over food shortages, politcal unrest, social divsions etc. look at us where we burn cars and loot stores because the Raiders lost??
Posted: Tue, 9th Aug 2011, 6:08pm
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Politicians everywhere discuss about banning violent videogames because one or so amok killer every year has played them, but no one wants to ban sports besides the fact there's violence following almost every larger game. Seems unfair...
I hope the situation gets under control soon. It's really strange to watch it all over the news.
Posted: Tue, 9th Aug 2011, 8:41pm
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Posted: Tue, 9th Aug 2011, 9:41pm
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I know that the UK is very anti-gun in many ways, but if I were a home owner in the UK right now, I'd wish I had something to defend myself with.
Anyway, everyone stay safe!
Posted: Tue, 9th Aug 2011, 9:44pm
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Well the order has been given for police to fire plastic bullets at rioters. Vigilantes are also hitting the streets now. Hope this all blows over soon. Hope people are safe though!
Posted: Tue, 9th Aug 2011, 11:11pm
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B3N wrote:Well the order has been given for police to fire plastic bullets at rioters.
Thank you so much for bringing me some joy. From what I've seen, the police have been pretty useless and to be honest, It's embarrassing. It's about time they brought in the plastic bullets, but I think I'd be even happier if they used real ones.
I saw an interview with some drunk girls saying that they're only rioting and looting to show 'the rich people' they can do what they want. Send in the army and show them otherwise!
Posted: Wed, 10th Aug 2011, 2:34am
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To give you guys another point of view.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biJgILxGK0o
It's obvious there from the shameful behaviour of the interviewer that the BBC is trying to spin their own narrative of the rioters all being idiot chavs. Seems to me like there is something else at play.
For instance: http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/08/201189165143946889.html
Still, anyone calling for anyone there to be murdered is just as much of an idiot as the chav looters.
Posted: Wed, 10th Aug 2011, 7:24am
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Pooky wrote:Still, anyone calling for anyone there to be murdered is just as much of an idiot as the chav looters.
Name calling? Harsh man... harsh.
Posted: Wed, 10th Aug 2011, 7:48am
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Harsh but true. People longing for violence is moronic and wrong on either side of that argument.
Posted: Wed, 10th Aug 2011, 7:49am
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Regarding the plastic bullets. Firstly, despite the press stating that Cameron has given the order to shoot, they're lying because the guy that reviews the papers for the government was talking about it and apparently the police have already got that power to use plastic bullets. Secondly, I'm slightly against it, because if they use guns, even only loaded with plastic bullets, this will drive the rioters to stock up on guns, and they won't have access to plastic bullets, but in fact, real bullets. But that is just my personal view. And as for the interview you mentioned, I saw that too, the rioter mentioned that this is a "freedom act" and they're finally getting their own back on the police. But, I do think you need to watch the police a bit more carefully. Yes, okay, they haven't exactly come down hard on the rioters yet, but they're using tactics because they are outnumbered hugely.
I do have to say Pooky, the news has been looping footage stating that it's live which is getting irritating, and not only myself, but others have noticed that it feels like they aren't telling us everything. Regarding the "kill them and be done with it" attitude, funnily enough, that's inciting the very thing that we're against and have such shame watching.
Posted: Wed, 10th Aug 2011, 10:21am
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Our Police want to stop acting like a service to the public and become a Police FORCE once more.
I ,as a UK citizen, hang my head in shame as the media footage rolls across the world, showing how we run a country whilst telling the world how to run theirs.
Posted: Wed, 10th Aug 2011, 3:53pm
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Phileep wrote: It's about time they brought in the plastic bullets, but I think I'd be even happier if they used real ones.
Wow... Congrats on being a part of the problem.
Yes, this is a horrible situation that needs to end, but giving police the use of deadly force is just asking for even more trouble. Hope you like Orwell!
Posted: Sat, 13th Aug 2011, 3:17am
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So I haven't heard anything about these in a while, anything new to report? Someone told me that someone was shot during one of the riots or something, any truth to that?
Posted: Sat, 13th Aug 2011, 8:15pm
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Am I seriously the ONLY one that watches the news in the morning? This was all over the news! Did anyone see the story where this teenage kid is bleeding like crazy, and the people that come to help him just help THEMSLEVES to the stuff in his backpack! It's rediculous!
Posted: Sat, 13th Aug 2011, 9:43pm
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Azulon'sAssassin wrote:Am I seriously the ONLY one that watches the news in the morning? This was all over the news! Did anyone see the story where this teenage kid is bleeding like crazy, and the people that come to help him just help THEMSLEVES to the stuff in his backpack! It's rediculous!
Just out of curiosity, which channels do you watch?
Posted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011, 12:26am
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Dollars to donuts it's Fox News.
Posted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011, 1:56am
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That's mainly why I was interested to know, knowing someone gets their news exclusively from FOX News is one of those things that you can reliably count on to stereotype someone
Posted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011, 5:20am
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Some people just can’t appreciate the good fortune they have to live in a free and relatively prosperous nation. It’s unbelievable how idiotic this riot is. I mean, really, is throwing that traffic cone at the police going to make you feel better? Give me a break.
They should deploy the UK’s equivalent of the National Guard and crack down on these morons.
Be safe FXHomers! I hope this passes soon.
Posted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011, 7:26am
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The ease in which some people resort to violence is exactly the problem. But I guess some people just don't really grasp that.
Posted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011, 12:04pm
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I will get flack for this view point but, regardless, I'd say that I'm all for deploying some sort of force on the riots. Sitting back and watching them riot won't stop them. So, imo, the UK really should take some action against these riots. I mean what good is it to continue allowing the rioters to overwhelm your local police force? I don't know if the UK even has a National Guard equivalent but if they do, by all means, they might as well use it.
Posted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011, 1:01pm
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You know, I've been shocked how little I've seen of this over here in the US. I didn't even here about it until a friend of mine posted on facebook she was leaving her internship in London early. As for force, they need to use force but killing rioters for looting is just crazy. I'm not a expert on social issues like this, and I don't really know how law enforcement works in the UK, so I'm not going to pretend too. I am really sad though that so many people from a country like the UK would get so evolved with this. I'm not sure how much of this is going on anymore, but I really hope it ends very soon so every one in the UK can get back with their lives.
Posted: Mon, 15th Aug 2011, 4:56pm
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Just to update, things have calmed down ever since Cameron stated that the police are allowed to do anything, "nothing is off the table" he said.
Azulon'sAssassin - Well..seeing as this thread was kept updated by various news sources I don't think you're the only one who watches the news. And yep, there was a donation opened for the guy to help pay for the things that was stolen and to get his parents over to the UK to see him, apparently Sony also have him a free console.
But things have calmed for all I know. People have been arrested, and I mean a lot of people. Over 1000 now or something. And the majority are apparently under 18. Our youngsters are beautiful.
Posted: Tue, 16th Aug 2011, 12:48pm
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And, as expected, the government are now using this as an excuse to clamp down on civil liberties and human rights. Here are a few of my own thoughts on the matter: http://simonkjones.com/2011/08/15/let-me-be-clear-catchphrase-rioting/
This last week has seen some of the worst kneejerk political reponses I've ever seen.
Posted: Tue, 16th Aug 2011, 3:29pm
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It's good to hear that everything is calming down.
Over 1000 people arrested? That'll be interesting. I don't know exactly how the legal system in the UK works but will they all have to prosecuted? Will they end up in prison? Is there room in prisons? Etc. (I don't really understand how it'll all work out.)